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Joppru Hurt Again!!

I was just thinking too, I think Green Bay is having some cap problems which could help us if we decide to go after Franks. I say we make Franks a good offer, nothing too crazy though...Man we need a TE... :brickwall
 
he will er get better, well not for the looks of it. if he'sout the rest of this season than he will be gone next season for sure.
 
Yeah but it's gonna be hard for him to sit out all season even though he knows he's going to need to. He's gonna wanna be out there with the rest playing, i know been there done that. It's hard to just be the one on the sidelines watching others play or do what you love.
 
Just a thought: If im not mistaken he is from the "U" and AJ and PBuch could really help the negotiations

Bubba Franks:

Has never missed a game as a pro, seeing action in 64 straight contests (69 including playoffs)
Including his scoring pass in 2002, it marked the first time since 1991 that three Packers threw for touchdown (also Brett Favre and Doug Pederson) in a season
Fourth tight end in Packers history to be named to the Pro Bowl joining Ron Kramer (1962), Paul Coffman (1982-84) and Mark Chmura (1995, 1997-98)
Interestingly, his first touchdown receptions as a collegian (in 1997 at Pittsburgh) and in the professional ranks (in 2000 at Tampa Bay) came on fake field goal attempts
Was only the third tight ever drafted by Green Bay in the first round - and the first in 30 years (Rich McGeorge in 1970 being the last) - when the Packers tabbed him 14th overall in 2000
Caught a 20-yard pass from President of the United States George W. Bush, like him a West Texas native, when the then-Texas governor made a surprise visit to a Packers practice Sept. 28, 2000, during his presidential campaign
While in college, he worked as a caddy at LaGorce Country Club in Miami Beach during the summer months
 
I sure do look forward to the day when Billy Miller can't make this team. No offense intended, but he's not an NFL caliber TE and yet, I'm afraid this is going to be the 4th consecutive season where I watch him play quite a bit for my team.
 
Man Joppru has the worst luck, but as for Franks I say we go for him. Hes like 6'5" 260lbs, thats like combining Billy Miller and Seth Wand.
 
Porky said:
Charley Casserly's to do list - May 16th, 2005:

8:00 am - Drop off laundry at cleaners
8:30 - Monster Truck Rally on SpikeTV
9:00 - Surf the web for scantily clad females
11:00 - Play Everquest, and try to level up one
noon - Lunch with Shaune Bagwell. Make request to see advertising
1:30 - Watch TIVO'd version of Desperate Housewives
3:00 - Tony Danza. What else?
4:00 - Challenge David Carr to a duel of "running around in circles" as fast as you can to perpare for the upcoming season
4:30 - Nap
5:00 - go home

New Item for to do list April 22nd, 2006: Get a friggin TE who isn't old, can't block, or doesn't get injured everytime he plays tiddly winks.
:goodnight :crying:
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ROFL lol:

Man, When I read this I just had to laugh. It Sucks for Joppru and the Texans but sometimes when you hear bad news you just have to laugh.
 
LBblitz said:
Just a thought: If im not mistaken he is from the "U" and AJ and PBuch could really help the negotiations

Bubba Franks:

Has never missed a game as a pro, seeing action in 64 straight contests (69 including playoffs)
Including his scoring pass in 2002, it marked the first time since 1991 that three Packers threw for touchdown (also Brett Favre and Doug Pederson) in a season
Fourth tight end in Packers history to be named to the Pro Bowl joining Ron Kramer (1962), Paul Coffman (1982-84) and Mark Chmura (1995, 1997-98)
Interestingly, his first touchdown receptions as a collegian (in 1997 at Pittsburgh) and in the professional ranks (in 2000 at Tampa Bay) came on fake field goal attempts
Was only the third tight ever drafted by Green Bay in the first round - and the first in 30 years (Rich McGeorge in 1970 being the last) - when the Packers tabbed him 14th overall in 2000
Caught a 20-yard pass from President of the United States George W. Bush, like him a West Texas native, when the then-Texas governor made a surprise visit to a Packers practice Sept. 28, 2000, during his presidential campaign
While in college, he worked as a caddy at LaGorce Country Club in Miami Beach during the summer months
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Yes indeed he is from the U (Franks that is). It is very sad to see what is going on with Joppru. I hope it's not too serious to sideline him for a while.
 
I think it's time the Texans cut ties with this kid...he's been hurt for the 3 years they've had him.

Some people just aren't meant to do a certain thing. I think perhaps he might want to consider another career option. It doesn't appear his health will permit him to play NFL football.
 
$794,910 to get hurt a third straight season and never play a snap in the nfl. that's crazy, the guy has probably collected over a million dollars in the past 3 years and he's never really done anything except get drafted in the second round.
 
So we go into camp next season hoping Joppru can make it to opening day without a season ending injury and the simple fact is he's yet to do that. What in the world makes anyone think he's likely to next season? Even if he does now we're looking at a TE who hasn't played football in three years.

It's just time to say this didn't work out. Not "The Texans screwed up" or anything like that. There was no way this could be predicted. Joppru was a solid choice and we all thought he'd be a contributor for years to come. He won't so lets get busy finding a blocking/catching TE and move on. Franks works for me.
 
I think the Texans are smart enough IF his injury is season ending again to say it's time to let him go; pay him an injury settlement or however they do it and see what else they can find at the TE position.

Thru no fault of his own he's just too injury prone. Bad luck, fate, providence, however you wish to label it it appears this young man is not fated for an NFL career.
 
you know if it was the same injury to happen to joppru, id say he is done, but its a totally different injury, and has nothin to do with his groin, does it suck that he is down again, yeah definatly, but im not ready to just dump him. capers was high on him so far during the offseason, and he had been performing well and attended every workout, injuries do happen, i hate it as much as everyone else, maybe a restructure to his contract, but dont dump him all together... but i do think bubba franks should be looked at as a replacement, and hopefully the injury isnt season ending, and have joppru and franks in on duel TE sets.. but dont just drop him like a bad habbit
 
the problem with that is when you're hurt you can't play. you can't just keep paying a guy to do nothing. he's made over 2 million dollars already and football is a business. i jjust don't see him with the team much longer as much as i'd like to see what he's got.
 
this is absolutely unbelievable. i agree, lets injury buy him out, he can rehab on his own and try out, lets send some money Franks way cause we are out of options. Bruener and Miller arn't gonna be fun to watch another year.
 
could we release him, and sign him to the practice squad or something, a considerable loss in pay, but maybe he would take it to stay with the team, especially after we have given so much to him and got nothin back
 
we could always bring back jabari halloway, i think that was the guys name.. unless he caught on somewhere else
 
This news has absolutely no effect on me since I wasn't counting on him anyway.
I would have considered any contribution from Bennie to be 100% pure gravy.
I certainly hope that this forces the team's hand to an extent, and they spend a few bucks to bring in another veteran at the position.
This situation may tutn out to have a silver lining... or so I hope...
 
With GB's financial troubles, we wouldn't have to necessarily over pay for Franks. All we'd have to do is front load the contract. Doing that has a secondary benefit, of not putting a lot of backend dead money on the books. With the departures of Sharper, Foreman, & Glenn's contracts, we should have a fair amount of money to offer Franks a nice package. He's 27 years old. I bet he'd be looking to sign a contract somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-6 years.

Hey Charlie, whatcha' waitn' on? :hmmm:
 
The poster that brought up the 'roids issue is spot on, IMO. Destroys the ability to heal these types of injuries. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times...well...I should just go **** myself with a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire. And, also IMO, Franks is not the answer. The only FA TE that has dropped more balls than this guy is Dudley. And while I'm at it...can we PLEASE stop with the "they went to the U. so AJ, and now PB, will be great influences, mentors, blah, blah, blah." Absolutely absurd. For my money...bring in Cam Cleeland. Just my .02.
 
atxcoolguy said:
$794,910 to get hurt a third straight season and never play a snap in the nfl. that's crazy, the guy has probably collected over a million dollars in the past 3 years and he's never really done anything except get drafted in the second round.
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Still better than what Cleveland got out of Winslow. At least we didn't surrender the #7 pick in the draft to get him either.
 
Pat Kirwan's hot list for TE's

1. Cam Cleeland - StL - 6'5", 270 lbs, 29 yo
8 yrs, avg 11.6 yds
2. Marcellus Rivers - NYG - 6'4", 250 lbs, 26 yo
5 yrs, avg 8.4 yds
3. Zeron Flemister - NE - 6'4", 250 lbs, 28 yo
5 yrs, avg 11.6 yds
4. Chad Lewis (R) - Phi - 6'6", 250 lbs, 33 yo
8 yrs, avg 10.3 yds
5. Ken Dilger (R) -Tam - 6'5", 250, 33 yo
11 yrs, 11.5 avg yds
 
dalemurphy said:
I sure do look forward to the day when Billy Miller can't make this team. No offense intended, but he's not an NFL caliber TE and yet, I'm afraid this is going to be the 4th consecutive season where I watch him play quite a bit for my team.
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Exactly how much is "quite a bit"? Your definition of "quite a bit" apparently is roughly equivalent to my definition of "very little". It's something my companion and I paid a lot of attention to during games because he had a season-long bet going with a classmate about Billy Miller. I'm not particularly crazy about Billy Miller either, but IMO, he had limited playing time in 2004.
 
Tulip said:
Exactly how much is "quite a bit"? Your definition of "quite a bit" apparently is roughly equivalent to my definition of "very little". It's something my companion and I paid a lot of attention to during games because he had a season-long bet going with a classmate about Billy Miller. I'm not particularly crazy about Billy Miller either, but IMO, he had limited playing time in 2004.
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Quite a bit: on passing downs.
 
Wonderful News :hairpull: Bennie "they called me Mr. Glass" Joppru is a bust of epic proportions. He hasn't seen ONE friggin down in an NFL game. Another Casserley 2nd or 3rd round bust. To think we could have drafted Jason Whitten who is a star with the Cowboys. Before the draft I was looking forward to the season and a playoff push but I don't think we are close. With McKinney as our starting center, no decent TE, and the drafting of TJ instead of DJ I think we will be luck to reach 7-9 again. Great another season of seeing David Carr running around with no offensive line protection. Awesome.

Oh Bennie, this is your alter ego. You suck and you stole money, get the hell out of Houston. I can't wait till we cut his ***.

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The 2 biggest assumptions of the offseason for the offense, which includes the college draft and FA, is that Joppru would be healthy and ready to play in 2005 as the all purpose TE we've never had and that Seth Wand would have matured to the point to be the effective and competant (if not premiere), LT we've also needed from Day 1 to protect DCs blind side. Lets just hope that they are not as wrong about Wand as they were about Joppru.
 
dalemurphy said:
I sure do look forward to the day when Billy Miller can't make this team. No offense intended, but he's not an NFL caliber TE and yet, I'm afraid this is going to be the 4th consecutive season where I watch him play quite a bit for my team.
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We need a TE who can block and catch, IMO this is killing Carr as much as the O-line,...Millers in, they're passing..Brueners in, they're running...they may as well alternate Seth Wand and D.Armstrong at TE, they might be more productive
Im a Billy fan for catching the 1st Texan TD, but this guy has to go. Bubba Franks may not be the answer, but he would be a HUGE start. Carr has to have a safety net other than dumping it to Dom all the time.
 
Why are they holding onto Joppru? He has shown zilch in how long of a time? Why let seasoned vets go and keep him? I am confused. Must we keep at least one glass house on the roster, is it a rule unwritten somewhere?
Hello.......FILOgirl no comprendez..... :dangit:
Explanations please!!
 
TexansFight said:
To think we could have drafted Jason Whitten who is a star with the Cowboys.
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You cant cherry pick the draft. Get over the fact that we missed Jason.


TexansFight said:
With McKinney as our starting center, no decent TE, and the drafting of TJ instead of DJ I think we will be luck to reach 7-9 again.
Oh Bennie, this is your alter ego.
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I dont understand this. People wine about our d-line, and our lack of pass rush. So we go out and draft a DE who is better at pass rushing. And then all of the sudden pass rush isnt as big of a concern.

TexansFight said:
You suck and you stole money, get the hell out of Houston. I can't wait till we cut his ***.
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You are a horrible fan/person. This guy has done nothing but work his *** off to get on the field. He has had some bad luck. But you cant fault him for getting injured. You are the epitome of a bad fan.
 
DC_ROCK said:
You cant cherry pick the draft. Get over the fact that we missed Jason.




I dont understand this. People wine about our d-line, and our lack of pass rush. So we go out and draft a DE who is better at pass rushing. And then all of the sudden pass rush isnt as big of a concern.



You are a horrible fan/person. This guy has done nothing but work his *** off to get on the field. He has had some bad luck. But you cant fault him for getting injured. You are the epitome of a bad fan.
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So Casserley should get another pass when he could have selected a stud TE and instead drafted a major bust. Does Casserley ever need to be held accountable? To sunshine pumpers like yourself the answer is no.

If you are such a super fan like you claim you are by calling me out, you would know that the pass rush from the 3-4 we run comes from our linebackers. DJ would have been excellent at rushing the passer while a fat DL with issues regarding his work ethic and character does not exactly fit the bill.

Don't make me feel sorry for Joppru or to even feel bad for him. He should be feel fortunate that the Texans didn't cut him after he got hurt the second time and was able to be salary cap dead weight that he is. He has collected over $2 million and has done jack squat. He has a nice head start on life and his Michigan degree also helps. Best of luck to him in the rest of his life. That being said I am bitterly disappointed and pissed off at how much of a bust he has been. Getting hurt and being gone for the whole year 3 times before the season has even started is not "bad luck" but rather him being injury prone most likely as another poster has stated due to steroids. That being said Casserley deserves most of the blame for picking this guy.
 
Bottle-O-Bud said:
Trade down for Heath Miller or TE on 3rd round!!!...
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That's the same Heath Miller who couldn't workout prior to the draft because he was recovering from hernia surgery? You must be joking, there was no way the Texans were drafting a TE with a bad groin. Again, what TE was available? Alex Smith went ahead of the Texans 3rd round pick & Kevin Everett was lost for the year with a knee injury. The Texans couldn't solve the TE problem in the draft this year.
 
A proposal for next years first pick
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Go get MERCEDES LEWIS fro Houston Texans Football. Just an early Chrismas wish about 11 months in advance.
 
nunusguy said:
The 2 biggest assumptions of the offseason for the offense, which includes the college draft and FA, is that Joppru would be healthy and ready to play in 2005 as the all purpose TE we've never had and that Seth Wand would have matured to the point to be the effective and competant (if not premiere), LT we've also needed from Day 1 to protect DCs blind side. Lets just hope that they are not as wrong about Wand as they were about Joppru.
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Agreed - I have said it all along that the team had some serious IF's coming into this season and one of the biggest IF's was Tight End - Joppru.

Some other posters have pointed out - They didnt plan for him to get injured again and that he looked healthy thru workouts.

My point would be - Thats really bad planning on the staffs part. They should have known better, especailly after being injured twice and never playing any live downs. They should have brought in competition and a starter at this need position to compete liek they did others, but they choose to ignore it get depth at positions they didnt have a real need at like Safety and Running back. I'm sorry folks, but I dont buy this hoping for the best attitiude with everybody thats semi-injured and they will somehow miraculously recover and provide the starter depth we need. How many times have we had this happen now? Bosselli, Hollings, Joppru, - How many times will the owner keep giving this staff chances to prove it's gambling on the wrong people and wrong things before somebody gets fired?

Honestly This stuff has got to stop. As a general thumb rule I hope for the best after I have planned for the worst. It's a lot mroe sound strategy that most people adhere too.

Where is the planning on the part of the staff for the O-line? This everything is ok and will magically be better because guys understand stuff sounds a whole lot more like smoke and mirrors. IF I am DC right now I am going what the F... are you guys doing in the front office? You guys better hope these guys pick it up and block for a cahnge - it's only going to take David a few more times of getting shell shocked before hes going to maybe get injured, will start losing confidence in the line and the staff.

Bottom line the Staff blew it on this one and like the above poster mentioned - They better hope there second gamble with the offensive line works out really good - or a few coaches may be seeing the un-employment line by mid season.
 
FILO_girl said:
Why are they holding onto Joppru? He has shown zilch in how long of a time? Why let seasoned vets go and keep him? I am confused. Must we keep at least one glass house on the roster, is it a rule unwritten somewhere?
Hello.......FILOgirl no comprendez..... :dangit:
Explanations please!!
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I'll try. Because teams don't just cut players they draft highly in years 1 and 2 when they get injured. Joppru's base salary is reasonably low, he is going to bank his signing bonus no matter what we do. Why cut a player with a low base salary? Nobody saw a knee injury coming.

Why cut seasoned vets? Its a young man's game. It happens all over the league.
 
TexansFight said:
Don't make me feel sorry for Joppru or to even feel bad for him. He should be feel fortunate that the Texans didn't cut him after he got hurt the second time and was able to be salary cap dead weight that he is. He has collected over $2 million and has done jack squat. He has a nice head start on life and his Michigan degree also helps. Best of luck to him in the rest of his life. That being said I am bitterly disappointed and pissed off at how much of a bust he has been. Getting hurt and being gone for the whole year 3 times before the season has even started is not "bad luck" but rather him being injury prone most likely as another poster has stated due to steroids. That being said cASSerley deserves most of the blame for picking this guy.
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I feel for Joppru to, but as you say, he's done well by the Texans financially
speaking. Other teams would not have given him a second, let alone a third
chance and risked losing the cash/cap they look as if they have lost.
But I still don't consider Joppru a bust - from what I've read he had no serious injuries in his HS or collegete carrer, no warning of injuries later in
his career when he would enter the NFL. It could have happened to Carr or AJ. And in retrospect, I actually think
he was a prudent pick. They just didn't see him on film, but coached him all
week long at the college all star game the Texans staff managed and got
to see him up close and personal. I mean they could have taken another TE
that they knew less about but reportedly had more upside.
I do fault Cass for not having any better backup plan than what they are left with now which is, at the moment, Miller & Breuner. After last years setback,
they should have stopped assuming Joppru would recover at some point and planned accordingly.
 
FILO_girl said:
Why are they holding onto Joppru? He has shown zilch in how long of a time? Why let seasoned vets go and keep him? I am confused. Must we keep at least one glass house on the roster, is it a rule unwritten somewhere?
Hello.......FILOgirl no comprendez..... :dangit:
Explanations please!!
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Just think we passed on Jason Witten for Bennie. :crying: :embarrass
 
TexansFight said:
So Casserley should get another pass when he could have selected a stud TE and instead drafted a major bust. Does Casserley ever need to be held accountable? To sunshine pumpers like yourself the answer is no.
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Im not sure if you noticed, but 31 other teams passed on him twice as well. Stop with the "we have the worst GM" bit.

TexansFight said:
If you are such a super fan like you claim you are by calling me out, you would know that the pass rush from the 3-4 we run comes from our linebackers. DJ would have been excellent at rushing the passer while a fat DL with issues regarding his work ethic and character does not exactly fit the bill.
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This is why I dont respect your opinion. TJ was drafted for the sole purpose of getting into the backfield, and disrupting the timing. He was not drafted to take on 2 blockers and stay still. Watch his game tape. You will see he is a penetrating d-lineman. He has a quick first step, and powerful legs to get in the backfield. But im sure you already knew that. I would have liked to get DJ as well. But the Texans had other plans.

TexansFight said:
Don't make me feel sorry for Joppru or to even feel bad for him. He should be feel fortunate that the Texans didn't cut him after he got hurt the second time and was able to be salary cap dead weight that he is. He has collected over $2 million and has done jack squat. He has a nice head start on life and his Michigan degree also helps. Best of luck to him in the rest of his life. That being said I am bitterly disappointed and pissed off at how much of a bust he has been. Getting hurt and being gone for the whole year 3 times before the season has even started is not "bad luck" but rather him being injury prone most likely as another poster has stated due to steroids.
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You can think what you want to think. I just dont think he deserves those words. I think he tried his best to make us a better team. Im disapointed it didnt work out either.

TexansFight said:
That being said Casserley deserves most of the blame for picking this guy.
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Yes. He made a bad pick. But im pretty sure he had no idea Joppru's career would be like this. I think that his Andre Johnson, Dunta Robinson, picks overshadow the Bennie fiasco.
 
nunusguy said:
I feel for Joppru to, but as you say, he's done well by the Texans financially
speaking. Other teams would not have given him a second, let alone a third
chance and risked losing the cash/cap they look as if they have lost.
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Joppru's base salary is only $380,000. He gets his bonus money no matter what we do. No team in the NFL would have cut him for his groin when they can just pay him his small base and let him rehab, so I don't think it is accurate to say we have done something no other team would have. It is just a sad situation. Things like this happen in the NFL. The Bills lost their rookie TE this year too.
 
Ok folks, I am sad about this as the next guy. But this thread is getting old. Bennie is hurt, and hasnt got a chance to show what he is made of. This has to be horrible for him, and to see you all bashing him because of it is low. Even for a few of you. This kid sees a career that he might have been great at, dropping away and possibly being cut (and good chance no one else would risk on him). I want to win all the games next year too, but get off him. Hopefully, it isnt as bad as they say. If it is, the Texans willl make a decision that is right for the Texans. I am so glad you all have the abilty to see into the future, to pick TE's that have gone on to do great things. Or Since you all screaming about Whitten or a few others, or those yelling about picking up a TE in the draft when it looked that Bennie was back. Matter of fact.... Why arent you on the texans scouting team? Or do you have the luxury of waiting till something happens then claiming it was a bad idea.

Something else while I am on my soap box. Get off of Morecy as well. You have NO bloody idea what these people see in this kid. People yelling about DD, then last year, he does over 1k yards... Oh, they were smart, but he isnt durable. Now, Morecy is picked. People are yelling again. Why dont we SEE if they can do something before you all are screaming about the picks. Gez people.

Peaved Off Texan Here!
Dime
 
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