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John McClain to the Defense of Carr !

Hervoyel said:
I also think that singing Carr to the two year deal is a good idea. I'm still hoping that we didn't make a mistake and that another Coach and staff can turn this thing around (and turn David Carr's career around as well).

That doesn't mean that he shouldn't have to beat Tony Banks out of the starting spot to get it. He should have had to do that from day one but I don't think the coaches ever really allowed that competition to take place. Tony was signed to be the backup and he understood that.

Tony Banks entire career? He's not the career leader in fumbles by a QB by the way. Depending on the circumstances that would be either.....

Warren Moon has the career record with 161 followed by Dave Kreig and John Elway with 153 and 137 respectively. Kreig had tiny hands and this was always a problem for him.

Kerry Collins holds the record for a single season with 23 and Daunte Culpepper is tied with him for that. Next in line is Tony Banks with 21. Interesting that there is a tie here too. David Carr matched that feat in 2002

In a game the honor goes to Len Dawson who fumbled it 7 times against San Diego back in 1964. After Dawson comes Sam Etcheverry, Dave Krieg, Brett Favre, and Kurt Warner with 5 each.

Excellent job of debunking my "perception" of Banks and his fumble problems, although no other facts or stats from Tony's career to support him being a capable starter. Honestly, more telling is the fact he has been a FA twice (I think) since he has been a Texan, and no one has thought enough of him to bring him to camp to compete with their guy for a starting job.

If Tony is the best "upgrade" the Texans can get, then let him compete. IMO, there could be other options.
 
CajunTexan said:
Excellent job of debunking my "perception" of Banks and his fumble problems, although no other facts or stats from Tony's career to support him being a capable starter. Honestly, more telling is the fact he has been a FA twice (I think) since he has been a Texan, and no one has thought enough of him to bring him to camp to compete with their guy for a starting job.

If Tony is the best "upgrade" the Texans can get, then let him compete. IMO, there could be other options.

I said that. Tony isn't even the best "Journeyman" QB we could find. He's just the one we signed back in 2002 and he's since been good with riding the pine. I don't know what that says about his "competitive side" but I do know that in 1999 he started 10 games for the Ravens and they won 8 that year. In 2000 he started 8 games for them and they won a total of 12 that year. Sure they had an amazing defense and all Tony Banks was asked to do those years was play within his abilities and not make mistakes. He wasn't brilliant but he was better than David Carr has ever been.

In 2001 he went to Washington and won 8 games there. Has David Carr ever won 8 games? Banks should have been Carr's first hurdle in the NFL and if the coaches had done the obvious then David Carr would have about a hundred fewer sacks on his odometer along with a couple of hundred fewer hits.
 
"He wasn't brilliant but he was better than David Carr has ever been." Quote

Really? OK, so Carr only won 7 games last year, not 8. He did throw for 3500 yards 16 touchdowns and an 83 passer rating. I know earlier in this thread, at least I think it was this thread, you posted on how these are mediocre numbers. Just asking, because I do not know, but has Tony ever posted better numbers, as a whole, in a 16 game season?
 
CajunTexan said:
"He wasn't brilliant but he was better than David Carr has ever been." Quote

Really? OK, so Carr only won 7 games last year, not 8. He did throw for 3500 yards 16 touchdowns and an 83 passer rating. I know earlier in this thread, at least I think it was this thread, you posted on how these are mediocre numbers. Just asking, because I do not know, but has Tony ever posted better numbers, as a whole, in a 16 game season?

I suspect you already know the answer to that question CajunTexan but for the record and those who don't feel like looking this junk up the answer is no, Tony Banks has not every posted better numbers than that (3500 yards and an 83 passer rating) in a 16 game season. The closest he's ever come to those yards was in 1997 with the Rams. Playing the majority of a 16 game season in 1999 he had a passer rating of 81.2 but most of his career he's bounced between the high 60's and the mid 70's.

We can talk stats back and forth forever but guys have led teams to the Super Bowl without an 83 passer rating and 3500 yards. Great stats don't always translate into a player being the guy for the job or the moment. Sometimes guys have good seasons statistically but they aren't going anywhere. That's David Carr in 2004. We didn't know that then but there it is.

I've already stated that David Carr has more talent than Tony Banks. I'm only saying that Banks was a more than adequat veteran QB for the Texans to start in 2002 and that David should have been required to beat him out of a job before he got to start. Instead David won that competition the way Victor Riley won the LT spot this year. He was handed it.

I think in 2002 Banks was a better QB than David Carr.

I think in 2003 he was a better QB than David Carr.

I think in 2004 David Carr should have been ready to sit Banks down. He played well and while he had a good year statistically just imagine what might have been if he hadn't already been planted 100+ times.

This year? Well this year kind of speaks for itself doesn't it.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
What really irks me here is that a true leader would have told the coaches to get a clue a long time ago. Carr could have said, "I am the face of the franchise and you are not utilizing my strengths." Which begs the question has the bonus been communicated to him a long time ago? Is there an assurance that he will be placed as starting QB for the next 2 to 3 years? It reeks of blind loyalty and future salary cap H-E-double toothpick.

I find it odd that someone would take a beating for four years and go through this type of season without saying a word. As a former competitor I would never have allowed this to happen without making a stand for myself and the direction of the team that I lead.

I have a feeling that both coaches and players have been told of changes in the coaching staff from next year. That at least would explain why Carr, seemingly, has not been more outspoken towards his coaches(which, for all I know, he has been).
 
McClain starts the article by saying:

"For all those who want to boot quarterback David Carr out of town after the season with a swift kick in the backside, what did you think about him last season after the Texans won late December road games at Chicago and Jacksonville to elevate their record to 7-8? The Texans defeated the Bears and Jaguars by a combined score of 45-5"

As if Carr was instrumental in those victories? Bah.

What did I think about him last season after the Jacksonville game? Well, with only 139 yards passing, 4 sacks, 2, ints, and only a 66.5 rating, I think he sucked. It was the Texans running game (200 something yds) and the defense that won that game, holding the Jags to 6 first downs, 126 total yards and forced 3 turnovers. Carr in that game looked a lot like he still does.

Carr's performance in the Chicago game was better, maybe even 'good' considering the elements that day, but consider the opponent - a defense without Urlacher and a putrid offense behind Hutchinson - and I think you will find as many or more contributors to the Texans victory as you would the Texans QB's performance.
 
aj. said:
McClain starts the article by saying:

"For all those who want to boot quarterback David Carr out of town after the season with a swift kick in the backside, what did you think about him last season after the Texans won late December road games at Chicago and Jacksonville to elevate their record to 7-8? The Texans defeated the Bears and Jaguars by a combined score of 45-5"

As if Carr was instrumental in those victories? Bah.

What did I think about him last season after the Jacksonville game? Well, with only 139 yards passing, 4 sacks, 2, ints, and only a 66.5 rating, I think he sucked. It was the Texans running game (200 something yds) and the defense that won that game, holding the Jags to 6 first downs, 126 total yards and forced 3 turnovers. Carr in that game looked a lot like he still does.

Carr's performance in the Chicago game was better, maybe even 'good' considering the elements that day, but consider the opponent - a defense without Urlacher and a putrid offense behind Hutchinson - and I think you will find as many or more contributors to the Texans victory as you would the Texans QB's performance.
McClain does his best work when he is passing on someone else's insight from his pool of NFL connections. Does anyone know when they stated calling him "the General". Wth did that come from?
 
Vinny said:
The team would be dumb not to kick in the 2 year option since it's going to take two full years to get this thing rebuilt. Carr is no longer a franchise QB and is just another QB trying to win a job next year, so we need to seek out another QB and have some HONEST competition for the most important job on the field. What would be really dumb is to resign him and tell the back up that he has no chance to start. Bring in another credible QB for cripes sakes. This is the only position on the team that doesn't have honest competition.

All good in theory but you don't pay "just another QB" a $5.5 or $8 mill bonus and take a $7-$8 mil cap hit per year on a guy who will simply be 'competing' for the starting job. By giving Carr the extension, they are in essence telling him that the starting job is his. The only way Carr could be brought back to compete for his job would be if he was released and brought back at a lower salary which won't happen. The only way you get fair and open competition here would be to sign (for example- if they were available) guys like Kitna, Frerotte, and Holcomb for a couple mill a year and bring them in and let them fight it out with Banks, Ragone or some other rook or inexperienced QB if we had one.
 
We could draft a guy like Cutler in the second round. It will take him 1-2 years to develop, and by that time Carr is done with his contract and we will have given him plenty of time. We need someone closer to Schaub (to groom) behind Carr than Ragone. Until Carr proves otherwise he is no better than Kitna, Frerotte, and Holcomb.
 
WWJD said:
And one of the offensive lineman was asked who was the "leader" of the offense. He hemmed and hawed before naming one of his fellow lineman as the offensive leader.

Please don't tell me you're referring to the Pittman quote. The dude is a long-snapper. I could care less what that guy has to say. Maybe if I get a splinter in my butt, then I will value his opinion on how to get it out.

Sharper called Carr the leader of the offense, but what does he know over Pittman.
 
wags said:
Please don't tell me you're referring to the Pittman quote. The dude is a long-snapper. I could care less what that guy has to say. Maybe if I get a splinter in my butt, then I will value his opinion on how to get it out.

Sharper called Carr the leader of the offense, but what does he know over Pittman.
What does a man's position have to do with his ability to form an opinion? I don't put too much into that quote either btw - people make too much of quips like this.
 
Tell me exactly how much time Pittman has actually spent in the huddle with Carr? So what does he base his opinion on, because it certainly ain't his in the huddle-on the field experience with Carr.

He can form his opinion, but I wouldn't put any stock into it. Unless of course he's talking about...
 
wags said:
Tell me exactly how much time Pittman has actually spent in the huddle with Carr? So what does he base his opinion on, because it certainly ain't his in the huddle-on the field experience with Carr.

He can form his opinion, but I wouldn't put any stock into it. Unless of course he's talking about...
Sharper was in the huddle with Carr less than Pittman dood....Sharper plays defense!
 
I don't know who said it...I heard them talking about it on 610. A caller brought it up thinking it strange.

If you don't think his opinion is valid fine.
 
Vinny said:
Sharper was in the huddle with Carr less that Pittman dood....Sharper plays defense!


Really this is silly. Sharper's opinion> Pittman's opinion.

That's really all there is to it.
 
wags said:
Really this is silly. Sharper's opinion> Pittman's opinion.

That's really all there is to it.
The only thing silly is that you determine that one human being is superior to another due to the position they play on a football field. Then you say it's because Sharper is in the huddle more with Carr. Now that was silly.

:tv:
 
Vinny said:
The only thing silly is that you determine that one human being is superior to another due to the position they play on a football field. Then you say it's because Sharper is in the huddle more with Carr. Now that was silly.

:tv:


Wow. I didn't say either of those. Show me where I say Sharper is a superior human being. Those words. While you're at it show me where I say that Sharper is superior because he spends more time in the huddle with Carr.
 
I'm sorry I even brought it up.

My point was only that a teammate didn't consider David a leader. I admit I don't know who said it..I heard the conversation several weeks ago on 610 when a caller asked about it.

I don't know how many minutes he spends with David in the huddle, in the lockerroom or on the bench. He's a teammate. I would think he'd have some clue about what's going on with the team. If you don't think so fine.
 
As much as I like Carr, it may be the best for all concerned (including Carr) that he leave.

You can't build a house without a solid foundation and that is exactly what Charlie Casserly did. We should have never drafted a QB until we had a solid offensive line in place. Carr was never put in a position to win like Ben Rothlesberger was.

Casserly's stupidity has stunted Carr's growth. The only thing Carr has learned in 4 years is how to run for his life. Letting Carr go is not a slap in his face. We should let him go with our sincerest apologies for wasting 4 years of his career.

I have no idea if Carr will be a great QB or not, but I do know that he never had a real chance. We are years away from being a decent team. Let Carr go before he picks up more bad habits or further reinforces the bad habits he's already picked up.
 
Carr has been making the same mistakes for 4 years. Perhaps he just isn't as good as everyone wanted him to be. I don't see a guy who has regressed...I see a guy no better than he was when he was drafted.
 
It appears that Carr was more a product of a good college system much like Spurrier's QB's and WR's. Unfortunatey, collegiate success does not always transfer to professional success, in these systems. The game is awfully different once you get out of your comfort zone. And this is not a shot at schools who play in a non BS conference.
 
WWJD said:
I'm torn on the whole paying the bonus or not.

On the one hand if you pay him it's almost as though you're rewarding him in some weird way for playing very poorly.

On the other hand if you don't he goes elsewhere and could possibly be a good QB for another team. There is no doubt in my mind somebody would pick him up.

I just don't know.

Rich Lord of 610 says it's a done deal though and David will get his bonus.


But the guy has played poorly because he is on a poor team. More sacks than anyone in history. More perfact passes dropped than anyone in the last 3 years, and pathetic anemic, typical and usual play calling by the coaching staff.

I stand by Carr and unfortunatly all of us seem to have known that we need on O-Line, to bad Casserly could not figure that out. As many ESPN guys and various coaches have said about Carr, "We dont know if he is good. It looks like he would be good and that he has talent, but we dont know. Anyone in his situation would be doing exactly what he is doing now."
 
I'm going to wait for the rest of the games and see how David does...I'm torn right now about him getting his bonus.

But you know it's not my decision...so what I think doesn't matter.
 
Hervoyel said:
I
...Banks was a more than adequat veteran QB for the Texans to start in 2002 and that David should have been required to beat him out of a job before he got to start. Instead David won that competition the way Victor Riley won the LT spot this year. He was handed it.

I think in 2002 Banks was a better QB than David Carr.

I think in 2003 he was a better QB than David Carr.

I think in 2004 David Carr should have been ready to sit Banks down. He played well and while he had a good year statistically just imagine what might have been if he hadn't already been planted 100+ times.

This year? Well this year kind of speaks for itself doesn't it.

I never thought about that. Banks definitely had the experience in the league at the time. And it would have been grooming time for Carr. Hindsight is always 20/20 though, b/c I'm sure none of us pictured the season turning out like this after last season. I'm a Carr supporter however, I do think that he should have been benched a couple of times this season reminding him of the competition - I even think Ragone has potential. Maybe things might be different right about now - record wise.
 
What't the chance (any prior examples) of Mcnair redoing the contract for Carr without the bonus?. Result-wise it would be defendable but morally... oh well.. :)
 
Vinny said:
We could draft a guy like Cutler in the second round. It will take him 1-2 years to develop, and by that time Carr is done with his contract and we will have given him plenty of time. We need someone closer to Schaub (to groom) behind Carr than Ragone. Until Carr proves otherwise he is no better than Kitna, Frerotte, and Holcomb.

Call me crazy and a hater, but i'd rewrite the last sentence to read "Until Carr proves otherwise he is not as good as Kitna, Frerotte, and Holcomb."
 
Vinny said:
The team would be dumb not to kick in the 2 year option since it's going to take two full years to get this thing rebuilt. Carr is no longer a franchise QB and is just another QB trying to win a job next year, so we need to seek out another QB and have some HONEST competition for the most important job on the field. What would be really dumb is to resign him and tell the back up that he has no chance to start. Bring in another credible QB for cripes sakes. This is the only position on the team that doesn't have honest competition.

I agree. I thought all along even before the season started that if Carr didn't break out this year, another credible starting QB needed to be brought in to allow Carr to look over his shoulder now. It does wonders for the team since they will all see Carr have to go and earn his cash like the rest of them and it allows us to put the best players available to win a football game. That is when we will see if Carr is our man or not, plus he will get to look and learn from a credible veteran, not Tony Banks.
 
Malloy said:
What't the chance (any prior examples) of Mcnair redoing the contract for Carr without the bonus?. Result-wise it would be defendable but morally... oh well.. :)
Carr doesn't have to sign anything that isn't the original deal. This is the Texans option, so if we choose to keep him he has no say in it. If anything is altered then Carr would have to accept the alteration. Morals has nothing to do with it.
 
Vinny said:
Carr doesn't have to sign anything that isn't the original deal. This is the Texans option, so if we choose to keep him he has no say in it. If anything is altered then Carr would have to accept the alteration. Morals has nothing to do with it.

So if we chose to offer him 2mil bonus instead of the 8, he would have the option of accepting it or, leaving.

What are the chances of this happening?
 
Offering him 2 mil isn't the deal. We either kick in the existing terms of the contract or he is free to negotiate as a FA. Offering him 2 mil is a deviation of that deal so yes...he doesn't have to take anything that isn't the original deal. He has no say in it if we just accept the clause.
 
Ok, that's what I thought too. So, in theory at least, we might end up with Carr for a lower price, provided we tell him to forget about the 8mil but offer him a less attractive contract. Oh well, we'll prolly know after a new HC is announced.
 
Maybe the legal guys on the Board would want to comment, but its my understanding that virtually any contracted can be amended as long as
the parties to the contract mutually agree.
 
nunusguy said:
Maybe the legal guys on the Board would want to comment, but its my understanding that virtually any contracted can be amended as long as
the parties to the contract mutually agree.
That's pretty much what I said. Carr would have to accept any altered deal, otherwise the option is the Texans to enact or not enact. Carr has to take the deal if it is not altered, he has no choice in that.
 
I think he should leave, even if he has to take less money--whenever that actually becomes possible. This team has made a joke of him and allowed him to be beaten to death. Maybe he's no good anyway, or maybe he is. Who knows?
 
It is real funny to see McClain now spouting what a number of us have been saying for a long time.

To begin with the 1st mistake made by the organization - probably in this case Casserly - was to hire Capers not realizing how inflexible he was to various aspects of the game. He was hired because he was organized, he was considered a very good guy and a role model, and he was considered to be one of the better defensive coaches around.

Then Palmer was brought into the picture and his views were very much different from Capers, but people simply didn't realize it at the time.

Then they went and picked available players from other teams to play for the new team called the Texans and knowing who their 1st round pick was going to be. They picked a vertern aged defensive group with the hope for LT of Boselli. The key to this once again was an aged defensive group. Little thought was given to offense, because they were going to pick up FA's and use the draft for their offensve figuring that defense would carry the day and the offense could be developed.

When it came draft day of course I believe their number 1 pick was going to be either Carr or Harrington and Casserly had been following David for a long time and probably felt Carr fit the mold of the Texans better than any other offensive player on the board. He was a very decent young man with a lot of character who could throw the ball very well. He was thought to be an excellent candidate to become one of the better QB's in the league. However, he did not fit the mold of the type of game Capers wanted to play. David was a passer with outstanding strength in his arm, but not known for handing off the ball. Capers on the other hand wanted a ball control offense. That was not David's forte. The Texans had not drafted a fit that was comfortible for Capers.

Things began to fall apart when it was found that Mr. B was not going to be available the 1st year. However, with a young spirited group and Mr. B leading the charge on the sidelines we seemed to perform the impossible feat and beat Dallas on the opening day. To this date that might have been our best game although we certainly have a couple of others that could push that envelope. We had a spirited 1st year and I believe that Mr. B was a big part of that while he was on the sidelines and our vertern defensive group had spirit and were playing up to their potential. At the end of the 1st year all of us were looking forward to year 2 and the upcoming 2nd draft. The draft came and we were all excited about year 2. In year 2 we drafted Wand and we picked up Brown, but they still had hopes for Mr. B up to the end.

Year 2 was the beginning of the down fall of the Texans. We suffered an almost extraordinary number of injuries and many of those were to our aged vetern defensive players and Mr B was no longer roaming the side lines. We saw us playing very conservatively with a QB who could throw the ball, but basically wasn't given the option or the time to do it. Carr had some injury problems himself, but the number of sacks were going down and DD had had an outstanding year and we thought year 3 might be the beginning of something good.

However, in the off season Capers and Pendry began to plan the shift to the Zone blocking scheme. We didn't have the personnel to do it and it went away from the stength of the QB. We began to see a transtition into what we are not. However, the worst part of this 3rd year draft was that they were now having to some how repair an aged defensive staff who had not recovered fully from the prior years injuries. We simply floundered in year 3 and were told by McNair that year 4 would be different, because David would be protected. Year 4 came along and they drafted defensively in the higher order of the draft, because that's Capers' comfort zone. Actually, we probably procurred a player who may be the talk of the league before he's through with football. That player is Mathis. We got rid of vertern players who were catching on to the Capers problem and everything began to fall apart, because the vetern defense fell apart and that was the end of the plan.

Again who have we drafted who most would consider keepers -

AJ
DD
Carr
Mathis
DRob
Gaffny
PITTS

The majority of these people are offenisve in nature with a defensive minded coach with an aged group of veterns who were falling by the way side due to injury. Did the coach elevate his offensive team and try to compensate. No, he became more conservative. This was a team doomed to failure from the start simply because the key coaches - Pendry and Capers - were incapable of adapting to what they had and made things worse rather than better by what they did. I have stead fastly stated that the year 2 injuries this ball club suffered were the nail in the coffen as far as Capers was concerned. He has never recovered from that season and never will. The so called 5 year plan, if it exsisted, went out the door with those injuries.

I still say Casserly has done his job and drafted reasonably well given the directions of his coaching staff. It is the failure of the coaching staff, however, to develop what we have. You see this well when other teams suffer injuries and someone comes on to replace the downed player. It doesn't always happen, but it seldom ever happens with the Texans.

After the 1st game of the season, McNair should have known he had been misinformed - I could make a stronger statement - about what had transpired to fix the O-line. They should have been fired at the end of game 1 or 2 and said its time to go in another direction. I say that simply because most coaches know that no one is normally fired during the season. The coaches felt safe for the rest of the season and that was not good for the team.

Perhaps the most damning thing you can say, however, about this coaching staff is that they simply did not play to the strengths of their players. Carr is anything but a ball control QB. PBuc is certainly not adapting to our defensive system what ever that is. TJ is there, but is certainly not a number 1 impact player, AJ has been ineffective to say the least. Gaffny quite frankly has suprised me and I was dead wrong on him this year. The O-line has been a blooming mess and the Defense is atroucious. The one bright spot has been Marciano and Mathis doing their thing. Its funny how people are just now catching on to this. What I'm saying is yes I'm defensive of Carr, but also everyone else on this ball club. I have stead fastly stated to evaluate any player on this ball club based on the coaching they have received is pointless. People have been made to play in a way that is extemely nonproductive and stupid. Get rid of the coaches and get a competent group of coaches. They may have to conclude that some players have been so damaged by this regime that they simply can't be rehabilitated. That is indeed a sorry state of afairs.
 
Vinny said:
That's pretty much what I said. Carr would have to accept any altered deal, otherwise the option is the Texans to enact or not enact. Carr has to take the deal if it is not altered, he has no choice in that.

What were the "performance incentives" that Carr reached that voided the remainder of his contract and set up this 8 million/ 5.5 million bonus deal?

It seems to me, that the organization can't really complain. Carr meet the incentives, now they have to pay, if they want to keep him.
 
It was probably so many games with less than x number of interceptions, lol, so he's been throwing the ball away for 4 years, while the coaching staff has been applauding this action and asking for more. Then again, he and AJ did hook up pretty well the first half of last year and that could be a lot of it.
 
Like I said earlier, a team doesn't usually give a $5.5 million bonus and a $5-$6 mill per year base, i.e., a $7 - $8 mill per year cap hit for "just another quarterback." By giving Carr even the two year option, they are essentially handing him the keys for at least another 1 1/2 seasons, although there is the implied challenge of the two year deal vs. the three year deal. There is also a strong message sent (as opposed to 'open competition') - in '06, if the Texans would draft another QB early in '06 after executing the two year deal.
 
I don't know if we can afford to draft another QB early in 06 unless we trade down a little in the first and pick up a few more picks. We have quite a few holes to fill. Besides, signing a veteran QB in the offseason would bring in immediate competition for the job as opposed to drafting a rookie that probably couldn't push Carr right away. The latter option will let a new coaching staff see what they have faster.
 
aj. said:
Like I said earlier, a team doesn't usually give a $5.5 million bonus and a $5-$6 mill per year base, i.e., a $7 - $8 mill per year cap hit for "just another quarterback." By giving Carr even the two year option, they are essentially handing him the keys for at least another 1 1/2 seasons, although there is the implied challenge of the two year deal vs. the three year deal. There is also a strong message sent (as opposed to 'open competition') - in '06, if the Texans would draft another QB early in '06 after executing the two year deal.

...AJ, are you still doing 'Voice of the Fan?'
 
Hulk75 said:
I will remember you said that.
So what? You are a big Carr fan and it doesn't bother me. I'm more of a Texans fan than a fan who worships any of the players, but that seems to bother you since you are not of the same mind. I've said over and over that Carr may be a late bloomer...but right now he is just another QB who has to prove himself.
 
aj. said:
Like I said earlier, a team doesn't usually give a $5.5 million bonus and a $5-$6 mill per year base, i.e., a $7 - $8 mill per year cap hit for "just another quarterback." By giving Carr even the two year option, they are essentially handing him the keys for at least another 1 1/2 seasons, although there is the implied challenge of the two year deal vs. the three year deal. There is also a strong message sent (as opposed to 'open competition') - in '06, if the Texans would draft another QB early in '06 after executing the two year deal.
Sure, but this is just an extension of his original contract. The alternative is to bring in a guy with as many question marks, so this goes under the 'no-brainer' category for me. It's not a good situation for anyone but Carr really. He gets all his money, we take another Franchise QB type cap hit and we still don't know if he has what it takes (I’ll hold the coaches responsible for that one). I still think we do something to bring in open competition. This deal where you hand a guy the job and tell his back up you don’t have a shot at the job has to go away.
 
Vinny said:
Sure, but this is just an extension of his original contract. The alternative is to bring in a guy with as many question marks, so this goes under the 'no-brainer' category for me. It's not a good situation for anyone but Carr really. He gets all his money, we take another Franchise QB type cap hit and we still don't know if he has what it takes (I’ll hold the coaches responsible for that one). I still think we do something to bring in open competition. This deal where you hand a guy the job and tell his back up you don’t have a shot at the job has to go away.

...exactly right!! Competition cures a lot of ills, especially for a rookie---IMO, Carr should have had a mentor or at least a very good QB coach--everyone knows that Carr's ability and Capers offensive philosophy were a mismatch from the get go, so now--more than ever--if the Texans are going to keep Carr they've got to get him off the 'island' and do whatever it takes to make him part of the solution. Vinny, you and several others have pointed out what I think is one of the biggest failures of this Capers coached team---after 4 years, we do not know if Carr is the part of the problem or can even be part of the solution to win...
 
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