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JJ Moses, still standing?

Scooter - I completely agree with you. I'm surprised that the returner's value is considered less than the value of an 11th DB or a 6th receiver. I feel that it is one of the most important roster spots, and I don't mind for a minute if we take up a spot with a true return specialist.
 
I always liked Tulips :rolleyes: I guess JJ is destined to go down in Texans record books as the all time kick off returner at least for now. I love his attitude and faith in his own abilities not to mention he is living his dream. But I'm going to say this, if a returner is worth a roster spot then next year I hope, no I pray that the Texans are able to draft Mark Clayton of OK. Then we can put all this controversy behind us and produce W's. :twocents:
 
Scooter said:
technically yes vinny, i had thought you'd have known what was meant.
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I have/had a grasp on what you meant. I just didn't want anyone who read that to get the impression that he was a rookie last year when he was in his second year. Not a biggie, and I more or less agree with your overall point anyhoo...fwiw.
 
JJ moses will be on our roster come monday, and everyone in the anti-JJ camp needs to accept it. JJ Moses isn't the most gifted returner in NFL history, but he can give us desirable field position, which is something you can't say for anyone else competing for the job. Vontez Duff was metiocre at best, and Kendrick Starling did not show much better. JJ, on the other hand, did. Many gave him flak for getting run down in the Jets game, but he got us into their red zone, and our offense couldn't punch it in.

I will be disappointed if he gets cut, that's for sure. I don't understand downgrading at a certain position, even if it's 'just' a return man.
 
I think JJ will stay.. as well as starling. its not that hard to imagine that we would keep 6 wide receivers in this situation. Though I dont think we will go with 1 less TE... not after the injuries we have had at that position. If anything I think we may cut down at LB.. since we have a decent amount of depth there.. or possibly at CB.

What id really like to see.. if we are gonna keep JJ as a return specialist.. teach him a different position! There has to be something that a guy that size, with that kind of talent can do. Can he tackle? try him at strong saftey and throw him in there on rushing downs... give him a shot as a nickle corner or heck.. try him at outside linebacker (lol).. maybe that shiftyness will get him around the LT. I remember when I played ball in highschool.. there was a guy.. he was about 6'5" and about 125 pounds soaking wet with bricks in his pocket... but he could just slide right by those o-linemen and get to that QB.

Dont get me wrong.. I am not saying that JJ has some hidden potential as a huge playmaker at outside linebacker or something.. im just saying that if we are gonna keep him as our KR & PR.. then try him everywhere and make sure he doesnt have potential to actually add some depth to the roster at a different spot.. or at least potential as a situational rusher or HB or something. Hell.. can he throw? maybe he can take the 3rd QB spot and we can get rid of butterfinger banks.
 
rdbrem said:
Moses can't be on the practice squad, right? (Due to 2 years there already)
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I don't believe Moses was ever on our practice squad. I could be mistaken, but he was in the Chiefs camp as a rookie in 2002 I believe and he made the Texans 53 to start off 2003.
 
Actually I think Moses started as a Packer and then was released and went to KC before he came here. Also, you are correct in the fact that he is not going to be eligible for the PS.
 
Tulip said:
Scooter - I completely agree with you. I'm surprised that the returner's value is considered less than the value of an 11th DB or a 6th receiver. I feel that it is one of the most important roster spots, and I don't mind for a minute if we take up a spot with a true return specialist.
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Overall, returner is a position that people notice in 3 situations

1- When you hav a very good one.
2- When you have a very bad one.
3- When you you have no worthwhile position battles to talk about in pre-season

Most you of can't name 5 returners off the top of your head, but the texans are one of the team that place a pretty high importance on the position

-carried carried Jermaine Lewis the fist year
-drafted Dom Davis a KR/3rd in 2003
-drafted Duff a KR in 2004
-Kept Moses as KR only in 2003
 
carried Jermaine Lewis the fist year
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Because they had no players and he fit the bill as a dual threat - then.

drafted Dom Davis a KR/3rd in 2003
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Because Lewis washed out, Moses hadn't "arrived" yet, and Avion Black wasn't the answer. Also because of DD's dual threat capability - backup RB (then) and return man.

drafted Duff a KR in 2004
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Again, from most reports because he could serve a dual role as backup DB (which it turns out he couldn't) and return man

Kept Moses as KR only in 2003
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True.

The Texans have also place high importance on right tackle (different one every year) and many other positions. That happens when you're building a team and you're not completely satisfied with what you have at that position.
 
texansfan88 said:
according to the paper, hes going to be a texan for only 4 more hours.
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Do you have a link? I haven't seen that reported.
 
That's Carlton Thompson's opinion and none of us know when he's referring to "all indications" if he simply reflecting on the Starling - Gaffney tryouts or if he really has some insider info.

It's in the Football extra section. Page F5.
 
aj. said:
Because they had no players and he fit the bill as a dual threat - then.

Because Lewis washed out, Moses hadn't "arrived" yet, and Avion Black wasn't the answer. Also because of DD's dual threat capability - backup RB (then) and return man.

Again, from most reports because he could serve a dual role as backup DB (which it turns out he couldn't) and return man

True.

The Texans have also place high importance on right tackle (different one every year) and many other positions. That happens when you're building a team and you're not completely satisfied with what you have at that position.
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Think my post actually miscasted me as "single KR" guy when I am more in favor the dual role guys. I agree Moses specifically is like Miller and Foreman, a guy who can do something for you, but every year you are looking around for either a 'better" player or at least a guy who does more than one thing.
 
I didn't read the single/dual thing into your post. I was just commenting on why they did what they did (because they were/are trying to improve every year and they obviously weren't satisfied with what they had). The dual threat thing is one of the reasons why the Texans picked those players (or so I've read) and not me trying to make a point one way or another.
 
aj. said:
I didn't read the single/dual thing into your post. I was just commenting on why they did what they did (because they were/are trying to improve every year and they obviously weren't satisfied with what they had). The dual threat thing is one of the reasons why the Texans picked those players (or so I've read) and not me trying to make a point one way or another.
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thanks, i feel better and just noticed how bad my typing has been this morning
 
Sometime today we will know. But I donot think that JJ makes the final cut. Roster positions are at a premium.

The Texans are going to have to cut young potential or aged experience. ANd no JJ is not old, he is not one of the ones I am talking about. I am on the side of cutting aged experience in the back up positions, since the best the Texans can do this year is fight for a wild card spot. Now that is great to me but I think next year is more likely for a run deep into the playoffs and we will need those younger players. jmo :twocents:
 
One reason for the Texans to use all the time allowed to make their cuts is if they are working on a trade. Perhaps they are trying to move a player for a draft pick, to allow them to keep JJ, or a developmental player.
 
I hope Thompson is wrong. A couple of weeks ago, I was resigned to Moses being cut, but after his performances, and the others' lack of performance at the position, I will be pretty surprised (and not too happy, I'm sure).
 
Vinny said:
Actually I think Moses started as a Packer and then was released and went to KC before he came here. Also, you are correct in the fact that he is not going to be eligible for the PS.
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Moses started as a Chief in 2001 (practice squad only), then went to the Packers. Bounced back again to the Chiefs, and then again to the Packers. Assigned to NFL Europe (Scottish Claymores) by the Chiefs his first season, and I believe led in punt returns for NFL Europe.

From http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2002/11/13/3/
 
Yep he bounced back and forth from the Chiefs to the Packers. Signed and released by the Chiefs in early in 01 from what I gather.

26-Sep-01: Signed as a free agent by the Green Bay Packers.
21-Nov-01: Signed as a free agent by the Kansas City Chiefs.
13-Nov-02: Signed as a free agent by the Green Bay Packers.
30-Jan-03: Signed as a free agent by the Houston Texans.
 
I really hope JJ stays. He has proven himself to be a capable (and, at times, exceptional) return man. Field position wins games.

# of TDs is irrelevant. YDs is what's important.
 
txstater said:
I really hope JJ stays. He has proven himself to be a capable (and, at times, exceptional) return man. Field position wins games.

# of TDs is irrelevant. YDs is what's important.
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idonno: idonno: idonno:
 
AT, what's confusing about that? Would you rather have a KR that has a TD or 2 with the rest of his returns never getting past the 30, or one with no TDs that always gets near the 50?

idonno: idonno: idonno:

I'm not saying Moses does, just trying to find out what's important for a KR. Also, does his past guarantee that he won't ever have a TD?
 
txstater said:
AT, what's confusing about that??

idonno: idonno: idonno:

I'm not saying Moses does, just trying to find out what's important for a KR. Also, does his past guarantee that he won't ever have a TD?
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He may not have got the line that said 'TDs aren't important, its YDs.' I was thinking 'what are YDS?' when I realized you meant yards. The abbreviation was OK, it just wasn't automatic, because of the capitalization.
 
Every newspaper, tv station that carries games, website, and stadium scoreboard I've ever seen abbreviates "yards" as YD or YDS.

I'm not sure if that was his problem with my post, or even if it was my contention that YDs are more important than TDs. It might've been my opinion that Moses has proven himself. If that's the case, I can't say anything more; we all know the saying about opinions.

(BTW, there were 13 KR for TD last year; 2 players had 2, 9 had 1. Seems like a pretty small-sampled stat to put much stock in...)
 
I'm so glad Thompson was wrong. I'm not happy about some other cuts, but I guess that's the way it goes. Moses earned his spot.
 
From MARK BABINECK, AP
``I just felt after watching us go through preseason, we're getting ready to play for real and we aren't experimenting anymore,'' Capers said Sunday. ``J.J.'s a guy I have confidence in, and he went the whole year without putting the ball on the ground.''
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See you guys in the next cut JJ thread, sometime during the '05 training camp. :)
 
It's not just the lack of insider information. If he had been making his predictions based just on the same observations that we are privy to, the chances of him making a prediction that Moses would be cut would be slim. It makes him sound like he doesn't know what he's talking about. Many people, amateur and expert alike, changed their minds about Moses's status after Thursday's game. Not just his performance, but the way the coaches handled the return assignments as well.

Cluelessness or laziness - neither one is something I want from a reporter.
 
I'm glad Moses made it as our 3rd TE :) Really, I'm glad JJ and Starling both made the team. Moses definitly showed the most as a returner throughout preseason. :headbang:

It's possible Thompson's article deadline was before Thursday's game, but I doubt it.
 
Moses if you're reading this, I want you to know that I have been praying for you.

I am glad to see Kid Din-o-Mite made the team and proved alot of people wrong. I feel having a guy with his attitude and determination is exactly what you need in a Kick Returner. I hope to see Moses make some big returns this season.
 
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