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So, I'll share what I am hearing through the grapevine. Take it for what it's worth, probably not much.

Apparently the affidavit from both the accuser's roommate and a football player state that they were both present the night of the incident. It apparently happened at her apartment. They both say that the two had an ongoing relationship, in which they have photos taken before and after the incident. Her roommate claims that she was upset with Winston because his real girlfriend was coming into town and he had told the accuser to law low. She called police and then changed her mind but was embarrassed when they got to the scene. According to roommate, she intentionally fabricated description of the accuser so as to not implicate Jameis, because she had changed her mind. In the investigation, she was pressed and eventually admitted, one month later, that it was Jameis that she had originally called police about. She met with Meggs at the State Attorney's office and reaffirmed that she did not want to press charges. TPD and State Attorney's office were investigating and now are trying to figure out how to clear Winston without humiliating the accuser. Winston informed Jimbo Fisher in December of everything.

Again, rumors that I am hearing. Who knows if it is true or not. Could be completely false. Just passing along what I am hearing. That kind of goes with what I had heard earlier, that Meggs knew about the investigation in January.

It's going to be interesting when we finally learn what actually happened. It seems like there is some corruption here in every situation. Either TPD, or the SAO, or both.
 
TexansSeminole said:
So, I'll share what I am hearing through the grapevine. Take it for what it's worth, probably not much.

Apparently the affidavit from both the accuser's roommate and a football player state that they were both present the night of the incident. It apparently happened at her apartment. They both say that the two had an ongoing relationship, in which they have photos taken before and after the incident. Her roommate claims that she was upset with Winston because his real girlfriend was coming into town and he had told the accuser to law low. She called police and then changed her mind but was embarrassed when they got to the scene. According to roommate, she intentionally fabricated description of the accuser so as to not implicate Jameis, because she had changed her mind. In the investigation, she was pressed and eventually admitted, one month later, that it was Jameis that she had originally called police about. She met with Meggs at the State Attorney's office and reaffirmed that she did not want to press charges. TPD and State Attorney's office were investigating and now are trying to figure out how to clear Winston without humiliating the accuser. Winston informed Jimbo Fisher in December of everything.

Again, rumors that I am hearing. Who knows if it is true or not. Could be completely false. Just passing along what I am hearing.
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I have a hard time believing that if they "closed" the investigation in feb yet the victim was pushing to get the blood work results till April.

Besides that, there are photos of injuries she sustained. I doubt he will get away with blowing it off as "rough sex"
 
Stemp said:
I have a hard time believing that if they "closed" the investigation in feb yet the victim was pushing to get the blood work results till April.

Besides that, there are photos of injuries she sustained. I doubt he will get away with blowing it off as "rough sex"
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I haven't seen any photos. Do you have a link to that?

If the above is true, she is clearly being opportunistic. If above is true, wouldn't believe anything her family's statement is saying.

We shall see what the truth is in time. Simply passing along things I have heard with disclaimers that they are rumors.

This is the email that I got from trusted source:

Rumor from Tally is... that JWs story has ALWAYS been it that it was consensual. That one of the affidavits is from the accuser’s roommate and the other is from another football player, both of whom were present (happened at HER apartment, not a bar, not a party, not JWs place). That both confirm that they had an ongoing relationship. That there are photos of the two of them together taken before AND after the initial allegation. That roommate claims she was pissed at JW for some reason that night and decided to claim rape. (perhaps because he told her his real GF was coming in town that day and to lay low). That she changed her mind after the call but before the cops got there but didn’t want to tell them she made it up. (thus the “unidentified” rapist…intentionally fabricated description) That when she later was pressed, she identified JW and was questioned about her inconsistent statements and evidence of a consensual relationship and realized she better drop it. That when the accuser met with Meggs on Tuesday, she reaffirmed that she did not want to press charges. That every bit of evidence collected points to consensual sex and there is no way charges will be brought. That TPD and SAO are only trying to figure out how to clear JW without exposing/humiliating the accuser. Also, that JW informed Jimbo about it in DECEMBER of last year after he heard of the call to the cops and told him EVERYTHING (thus JF’s continued faith in JW). Assuming any of this is correct (not that there is any proof of any of it) JW, JF and Jansens confidence is not surprising. Based on what we know now, if there are no charges by Friday, and if JW is suited up on Saturday, you can bet that there will not be any. And whoever is responsible for leaking this is certainly going to get “raked over the coals”. TIFWIW, but the sources are pretty close to the situation
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Again, it's a rumor.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I haven't seen any photos. Do you have a link to that?
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The police and the state attorneys have them since the police took them that night and put them in the report. It's been reported numerous times. And they aren't going releasing the photos of her or her injuries to the public unless they want to make this an ever bigger CF. Yeesh.

Here's a link to a pretty good summation and timeline of what has happened. Includes an update saying the victim or her attorney never told the police she didn't want to press charges, but that she gave up because it was obvious the police weren't going to investigate the matter.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/joelanderson/everything-thats-happened-so-far-in-the-sexual-assault-inves
 
Stemp said:
The police and the state attorneys have them since the police took them that night and put them in the report. It's been reported numerous times. And they aren't going releasing the photos of her or her injuries to the public unless they want to make this an ever bigger CF. Yeesh.

Here's a link to a pretty good summation and timeline of what has happened. Includes an update saying the victim or her attorney never told the police she didn't want to press charges, but that she gave up because it was obvious the police weren't going to investigate the matter.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/joelanderson/everything-thats-happened-so-far-in-the-sexual-assault-inves
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Police collected evidence and took photos of the victim's injuries.
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This statement is a summary of what comes from the police report in which it says, "photos/videos taken? Yes - digital."

Anything a bit more specific on the injuries? I also didn't mean a link to the actual photos, I didn't word that properly. I know they aren't going to release photos. I meant info about the photos of injuries.

We'll find out the truth by end of next week at the latest.
 
TexansSeminole said:
If he's charged, he'll be suspended.
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Wow. That could shake a lot of stuff up.

Btw I also heard over the internet what you posted earlier (disgruntled girl because she finds out she's the "other woman"). Whatever the case may be, I hope they get to the bottom of it soon.
 
Jameis Winston Isn't The Only Problem Here: An FSU Teacher's Lament


We love the game. We love the players, too, even when they scare us.

Like the blue-chip defensive secondary leader who wrote his personal essay for an openly gay professor on the time in high school he gleefully commanded a posse to bash a girly fag near to death, caved the queer's face, and ruined his smile.

Or the hulking offensive star who brought a friend to help him corner a short, pretty instructor alone in her closet office and scare her within an inch of her life for telling the athletic department he was clowning in class...
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More at the link. I wonder how widespread this is in college football.
 
GlassHalfFull said:
Jameis Winston Isn't The Only Problem Here: An FSU Teacher's Lament




More at the link. I wonder how widespread this is in college football.
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Probably pretty prevalent for both basketball and football athletes.

I've heard some stories from students that would shock you, but it's interesting to hear it from the teacher's point of view.

My only experience was a positive one, but there weren't many FSU players in the College of Business when I was there. I had Christian Ponder in one of my high level real estate courses and he was extremely bright. He sat in the front row and always had something to contribute to class conversations. He was also always one of the first people to finish the tests. Myron Rolle was a Rhodes Scholar and ended up accepting the trip to Oxford. I never had the opportunity to meet him, but always wanted to.

Unfortunately, the bad far outweighs the good. I can imagine that teachers feel helpless at times when dealing with some guys.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Probably pretty prevalent for both basketball and football athletes.

I've heard some stories from students that would shock you, but it's interesting to hear it from the teacher's point of view.

My only experience was a positive one, but there weren't many FSU players in the College of Business when I was there. I had Christian Ponder in one of my high level real estate courses and he was extremely bright. He sat in the front row and always had something to contribute to class conversations. He was also always one of the first people to finish the tests. Myron Rolle was a Rhodes Scholar and ended up accepting the trip to Oxford. I never had the opportunity to meet him, but always wanted to.

Unfortunately, the bad far outweighs the good. I can imagine that teachers feel helpless at times when dealing with some guys.
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I'm sure every college program in the US has it's share of these guys, and its share of smart athletes too. You could probably replace FSU with any other university and it all would hold true.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I haven't seen any photos. Do you have a link to that?

If the above is true, she is clearly being opportunistic. If above is true, wouldn't believe anything her family's statement is saying.

We shall see what the truth is in time. Simply passing along things I have heard with disclaimers that they are rumors.

This is the email that I got from trusted source:



Again, it's a rumor.
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Don't know you, but that e-mail sounds like some BS to me. The guy that sent that to you does realize there is something called pulling phone records these days right? This girl has made some pretty bold accusations in the last couple of days including calling out TDP. Phone records can be pulled pretty quickly these days so her statement about not knowing him before that night would be pretty stupid on her part and I'm sure TDP would jump at the opportunity to disprove this if they could considering the accusations she's made about them.

Also, its been noted that she wasn't able to actually identify him until a month after the incident happened in December. So Jameis "heard" about the call and told Jimbo about it and told him the same month it happened? Again, all of this should be pretty easy to prove or disprove if that were the case. I'm not saying any of this isn't true, but I'm just not buying it. There is obviously more here than just a girl scorned.
 
TexansSeminole said:
We'll find out the truth soon enough. I told you to take it for what it's worth, did I not?
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Most definitely.......... I was just laying out why I don't buy what the e-mail said. JMO on it. I've seen some suspect tweets that are supposedly from her so I'm sure it'll out come to light. Either her, her family, and their attorney are dumb as a box of rocks or she's telling the truth.
 
Texn4life said:
Most definitely.......... I was just laying out why I don't buy what the e-mail said. JMO on it. I've seen some suspect tweets that are supposedly from her so I'm sure it'll out come to light. Either her, her family, and their attorney are dumb as a box of rocks or she's telling the truth.
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I hear ya.

If above is true, could be that she was embarrassed about it and didn't want to tell her parents about how she called the police because she was mad. Her parents may not know what actually happened.

A lot of possibilities. I live with a public defender, so I tend to stick to the innocent until proven guilty rule. Definitely heard my share of crazy stories.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I hear ya.

If above is true, could be that she was embarrassed about it and didn't want to tell her parents about how she called the police because she was mad. Her parents may not know what actually happened.

A lot of possibilities. I live with a public defender, so I tend to stick to the innocent until proven guilty rule. Definitely heard my share of crazy stories.
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I know a couple of guys that were falsely accused of rape. Definitely nothing to make light of. Like I said they've made statements that they just met that night. That's just something that's way too easy to prove false if that wasn't the case.

I like Jameis and hope he wouldn't do something like this. I haven't made any judgements on his innocence or guilt. I just think a lot of what people are posting on forums sounds like made up stories thats all. Not necessarily you, but certain things aren't adding up from a lot of "sources".
 
Texn4life said:
I know a couple of guys that were falsely accused of rape. Definitely nothing to make light of. Like I said they've made statements that they just met that night. That's just something that's way too easy to prove false if that wasn't the case.

I like Jameis and hope he wouldn't do something like this. I haven't made any judgements on his innocence or guilt. I just think a lot of what people are posting on forums sounds like made up stories thats all. Not necessarily you, but certain things aren't adding up from a lot of "sources".
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I think it's just because we have very little information and it's so high profile. I'll be happy when it's over.
 
They need to sort this **** out quickly before the Heisman votes close in a few weeks. It would be truly amazing if Johnny Football wins the Heisman again due to the other guy having even worse character issues. I certainly would not have predicted that.
 
Remember when being accused of signing autographs for money by anonymous shady memorabilia dealers was a big deal? And then Winston said "slap me upside the head if I ever catch manziel disease"? :thinking:
 
Interesting article on yahoo sports

Link

Yahoo said:
Travis Johnson says he knows exactly who Willie Meggs is. He certainly knows, perhaps better than just about anyone else, what Jameis Winston may be dealing with right now.

Ten years ago, Johnson was a Florida State defensive lineman charged with sexual battery by Meggs' office. He was accused of forcing himself on an FSU female shot putter, with whom he'd previously had a relationship. His family hired an attorney. He vehemently proclaimed his innocence. He said he took and passed three lie detector tests. He presented evidence and experts who said because of a recent surgery, he couldn't possibly have held anyone down.

"Meggs charged me anyway," Johnson told Yahoo Sports on Wednesday. "Just like I believe he's going to charge Jameis. He wants to prosecute Florida State players. He is obsessed with attention and wants big cases."

The State Attorney has repeatedly defended its decision to try the Johnson case, saying it was a case of he said/she said, and there was no ulterior motive in bringing it to trial.

After two days of evidence and testimony, however, Johnson won an acquittal from an all-female jury that needed just 30 minutes of deliberation.

"I talked to the jury," Johnson said. "They didn't even need that. They spent five minutes going to the bathroom, five minutes laughing about the evidence. The trial was a joke. Meggs knew all of that. He never should have charged me."

Johnson was cleared just before his senior year, where he returned to the field for the Seminoles and wound up the 16th pick overall in the 2005 NFL draft. He played six seasons in the league for Houston and San Diego and now looks on from afar convinced that he is witnessing deja vu – the potential railroading of a star Seminole.
"I was a star but not the level of Jameis Winston," Johnson said. "This is Willie Meggs' big chance."

Johnson, 31, is married and raising five children in Houston. He said while he obviously doesn't know exactly what happened in the Winston case, from what he does know via media reports and his connections to FSU football, he believes in the quarterback's innocence. He says just charging Winston would be devastating to the player.

Mostly he doesn't trust the State Attorney.

"Facts don't matter when you are dealing with a guy like Willie Meggs. Willie Meggs isn't out for the facts …

"At the end of the day, this is still the Jim Crow South," said Johnson, who originally hailed from Sherman Oaks, Calif. "You think, 'It's Florida.' Well, it's not Florida. It's South Georgia. Tallahassee is South Georgia."

Johnson fears for Winston if he is charged. He says his own ordeal resulted in severe mental and emotional depression, and the hurt didn't go away with an acquittal. He had to relive it through taunts from opposing fans and concerned looks from fellow students who merely passed him the hallway outside a classroom. The humiliation continued when he had to discuss the situation with all 32 NFL teams during the draft process. And he knows that no matter what the jury said, some still believe he did it.

"Right after the verdict I turned to the State's Attorney table and told them, 'You're all pieces of [expletive],' " Johnson said. "They knew the facts of the case and they put me through it anyway. They tried to destroy me. And now it's the same thing.
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It's a long article. I found this part particularly interesting. I remember the Travis Johnson case pretty well, maybe others here researched it after the Texans picked him up.

It's not surprising about Meggs. He has been involved in shady prosecutions since 1999. He charged a whistle-blower who had brought attention to a corrupt police officer on basically no evidence. Drug the guy through the mud because he exposed one of his own, as Meggs is a former police officer.
 
Stemp said:
Remember when being accused of signing autographs for money by anonymous shady memorabilia dealers was a big deal? And then Winston said "slap me upside the head if I ever catch manziel disease"? :thinking:
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Lol, this is all about Manziel, his Heisman chances, and his public perception for you. Pretty clear and wasn't difficult to see from the get-go.

What happens to your guilty until proven innocent attitude if Winston isn't charged? Still going to claim corruption by police? What about if he's charged and found not guilty? Still going to feel the same way? I'd bet on it.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Lol, this is all about Manziel, his Heisman chances, and his public perception for you. Pretty clear and wasn't difficult to see from the get-go.

What happens to your guilty until proven innocent attitude if Winston isn't charged? Still going to claim corruption by police? What about if he's charged and found not guilty? Still going to feel the same way? I'd bet on it.
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The Heisman really should take a backburner to all this, but it will hurt Winston's chances even if he's innocent. Bad press never helps and a rape accusation is worse than underage partying/drinking.

That being said I honestly believe that even outside the rape case going on if Manziel nails the LSU and Mizzou games it's his.

In the end, though, I hope they find out the truth of the matter. If Winston is innocent I hope he's found so and can continue with his career and life and bring his talented play to the next level, if he's guilty, then I hope he gets nailed.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Lol, this is all about Manziel, his Heisman chances, and his public perception for you. Pretty clear and wasn't difficult to see from the get-go.

What happens to your guilty until proven innocent attitude if Winston isn't charged? Still going to claim corruption by police? What about if he's charged and found not guilty? Still going to feel the same way? I'd bet on it.
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No just pointing out the hypocrisy of many people (not you) who were up in arms over the manziel deal and yet continue to make excuses for Winston. I've seen media members Roast manziel over anonymous accusations and yet refuse to take this accusation which is more serious into consideration.

I don't really care if he gets charged or not but I want them to make a decision and do what needed to be done months ago. I also don't like the fact that FSU fans are going with the strategy of blaming the victim and refusing to believe their hero could possibly do anything wrong
 
Stemp said:
No just pointing out the hypocrisy of many people (not you) who were up in arms over the manziel deal and yet continue to make excuses for Winston. I've seen media members Roast manziel over anonymous accusations and yet refuse to take this accusation which is more serious into consideration.

I don't really care if he gets charged or not but I want them to make a decision and do what needed to be done months ago. I also don't like the fact that FSU fans are going with the strategy of blaming the victim and refusing to believe their hero could possibly do anything wrong
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The media is doing a fine job of taking it seriously. Not sure what articles you've been reading or which TV reports you've seen, but it's pretty clear that the media is taking it seriously.

FSU fans are giving him the benefit of the doubt, as it's not the first time this kind of thing has happened. There's no harm in passing along reports of people seeing the two around together before and after the incident. Innocent until proven guilty and all that nonsense I guess.
 
Stemp said:
No just pointing out the hypocrisy of many people (not you) who were up in arms over the manziel deal and yet continue to make excuses for Winston. I've seen media members Roast manziel over anonymous accusations and yet refuse to take this accusation which is more serious into consideration.

I don't really care if he gets charged or not but I want them to make a decision and do what needed to be done months ago. I also don't like the fact that FSU fans are going with the strategy of blaming the victim and refusing to believe their hero could possibly do anything wrong
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As I read through all of this the thing that kept jumping in my head was exactly as texasseminole pointed out. Your A&M gab. While I dont have a problem with JM nor do I like jumping to conclusions in cases like JW you have to know you are slanted in this somewhat and it is showing


Stemp said:
refusing to believe their hero could possibly do anything wrong
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Like Johnny?
 
2012Champs said:
As I read through all of this the thing that kept jumping in my head was exactly as texasseminole pointed out. Your A&M gab. While I dont have a problem with JM nor do I like jumping to conclusions in cases like JW you have to know you are slanted in this somewhat and it is showing
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People see what they want to see. Sure, I want Johnny to win another one, but again, I'm more upset about how the TPD treated the girl by stonewalling and burying the investigation and how FSU fans are trying to blame the victim and claim some conspiracy when she did everything you'd expect a victim to do.

Like Johnny?
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Now come on. Did he get paid? yeah, it's possible. If so was he the only one?No probably not, even though the media ignored all the other players who had similiar "evidence" against them. And was there any real and credible evidence he got paid? Not really.

Did he get roasted in the media more than Winston is for this alleged sexual assault? Yeah, I'd say so. Manziel was mentioned on all the sports shows multiple times a day and I haven't seen hardly anything about Winston even after the DNA matched. And which do you think is more credible? An anonymous shady memorabilia dealer who refuses to speak on the record or a girl who calls the police after being assaulted and where the police have DNA and physical evidence of the event?

The media made all the crap with Manziel into a big deal for weeks and there was almost nothing to the story. Yet, they are being very careful about reporting the Winston story.

I've even heard a commentator say that Johnny's offseason puts him down in his mind, but that the Winston case has no bearing to him.

Just more media hypocrisy IMO.
 
2012Champs said:
As I read through all of this the thing that kept jumping in my head was exactly as texasseminole pointed out. Your A&M gab. While I dont have a problem with JM nor do I like jumping to conclusions in cases like JW you have to know you are slanted in this somewhat and it is showing




Like Johnny?
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What crime has either one of these guys ever been convicted of?

Slanted? Your hatered of Manziel knows no bounds, I'm not speaking for Stemp. But Manziel parties like most 20 yr olds with fame and fortune would and is convicted in the medias court of public opinion.

Winston has yet to have charges brought against him and the media doesn't seem to be treating Winston the same as they have been treatin Manziel.
 
steelbtexan said:
What crime has either one of these guys ever been convicted of?

Slanted? Your hatered of Manziel knows no bounds, I'm not speaking for Stemp. But Manziel parties like most 20 yr olds with fame and fortune would and is convicted in the medias court of public opinion.

Winston has yet to have charges brought against him and the media doesn't seem to be treating Winston the same as they have been treatin Manziel.
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Please point out my hate for Johnny. I bet you can't
 
Honestly Winston, rape allegations aside, is a bit of a personality. I'm sure if had won the Heisman and had to sit in the fishbowl for an offseason he would also become a bit notorious.
 
Apparently this girl was part of a clique within her serority called the FSUcleatchasers. They used the hashtag #FSUcleatchasers, which has since been deleted.

Just want to reiterate that that's a rumor I have heard from several people in Tallahassee.
 
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Please point out my hate for Johnny. I bet you can't
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I'm not going to look thru the Manziel thread and I may be getting you mixed up with Mr. Tex.

I dont like Manziel as a prospect for the Texans. But I do think that some Aggies and the media as a whole have a strong dislike for Manziel. His Oilpatch ways and his brashness on/off the field. People usually hate on wealthy families that are brash/braggers, but can back up their words on the field and in life.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not going to look thru the Manziel thread and I may be getting you mixed up with Mr. Tex.

I dont like Manziel as a prospect for the Texans. But I do think that some Aggies and the media as a whole have a strong dislike for Manziel. His Oilpatch ways and his brashness on/off the field. People usually hate on wealthy families that are brash/braggers, but can back up their words on the field and in life.
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I disliked him during the off-season, but now I think that was largely blown out of proportion, and honestly Manziel is focused as hell during the regular season. There's no drunk driving, no irresponsibility, nothing. From September to January the man is a consummate professional.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Apparently this girl was part of a clique within her serority called the FSUcleatchasers. They used the hashtag #FSUcleatchasers, which has since been deleted.

Just want to reiterate that that's a rumor I have heard from several people in Tallahassee.
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Victim blaming probably isn't the best route here. There might or might not be a case here but "she was asking for it" sounds like Steeler fans defending Roethlisburger.
 
b0ng said:
Victim blaming probably isn't the best route here. There might or might not be a case here but "she was asking for it" sounds like Steeler fans defending Roethlisburger.
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Passing along rumors is not victim blaming. We have basically no facts in this case. We don't have enough evidence to even say that there was a victim. I don't see a point in going all P.C. with passing along rumors just because a woman is accusing somebody of something. "She was asking for it" assumes there is evidence of wrong doing at our disposal.

I also don't understand the Roethlisberger thing. I didn't follow that case, was the evidence overwhelming or something? He was acquitted, so it seems to me people should be able to come to his defense. Do people not believe in this process?

I look at it like the accuser and accused are on equal grounds when it comes to a he said she said, no evidence situation.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Passing along rumors is not victim blaming. We have basically no facts in this case. We don't have enough evidence to even say that there was a victim. I don't see a point in going all P.C. with passing along rumors just because a woman is accusing somebody of something. "She was asking for it" assumes there is evidence of wrong doing at our disposal.

I also don't understand the Roethlisberger thing. I didn't follow that case, was the evidence overwhelming or something? He was acquitted, so it seems to me people should be able to come to his defense. Do people not believe in this process?

I look at it like the accuser and accused are on equal grounds when it comes to a he said she said, no evidence situation.
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The Roethlisburger case featured police mishandling all parts of the complaint and Roethlisburger getting the charges dismissed. It was also rumored that there was police and D.A. pressure on the victim to drop the charges.

I find the connection that was implied in the first post I quoted that somehow her creating a hastag of #cleatChasers somehow absolves Jameis of any wrongdoing pretty abhorrent. It's a "rumor" that attempts to paint the female who has hired an attorney to get sexual assault charges pressed on Winston as trashy and deserving of whatever happened and that's pretty gross.

The idea that this sort of "rumor" is any sort of actual relevance to whether Jameis is innocent or guilty is gross and Steeler fans did the exact same thing for months when Ben was charged with his sexual assault case(s).

EDIT: You seem to lack some self-awareness so I'm going to help you out, you might not want to rush to defend a dude on your favorite team who is accused of rape. It's not a great look to start and it's going to look real bad if this gets ugly. You may just want to hold back and wait for some more stuff to come out, maybe.
 
Corrosion said:
Nope , sex crimes are not a big deal at all , let the police go write traffic citations instead .... :sarcasm:
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Seriously? You quote a comment from September 9th that was about Winston saying he could be playing for Texas and bring it into the second topic of thread that did not even begin until about a week ago?

The first page & my comment top of page two was about something completely different than the alleged sex crime. Check the time lines and then offer an apology. :cutthroat:
 
b0ng said:
The Roethlisburger case featured police mishandling all parts of the complaint and Roethlisburger getting the charges dismissed. It was also rumored that there was police and D.A. pressure on the victim to drop the charges.

I find the connection that was implied in the first post I quoted that somehow her creating a hastag of #cleatChasers somehow absolves Jameis of any wrongdoing pretty abhorrent. It's a "rumor" that attempts to paint the female who has hired an attorney to get sexual assault charges pressed on Winston as trashy and deserving of whatever happened and that's pretty gross.

The idea that this sort of "rumor" is any sort of actual relevance to whether Jameis is innocent or guilty is gross and Steeler fans did the exact same thing for months when Ben was charged with his sexual assault case(s).

EDIT: You seem to lack some self-awareness so I'm going to help you out, you might not want to rush to defend a dude on your favorite team who is accused of rape. It's not a great look to start and it's going to look real bad if this gets ugly. You may just want to hold back and wait for some more stuff to come out, maybe.
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The cleat chaser thing was to show that she would know who Winston is and therefore the month that she couldn't identify him would be strange. Cleat chaser assumes you know the top recruit QB on the team. If the girl was indeed a "clear chaser" it doesn't absolve him of anything. Try to follow and connect the dots as to why that would be relevant next time.

And I appreciate the advice but I will continue to post the rumors that are flowing in.
 
TexansSeminole said:
The cleat chaser thing was to show that she would know who Winston is and therefore the month that she couldn't identify him would be strange. Cleat chaser assumes you know the top recruit QB on the team. If the girl was indeed a "clear chaser" it doesn't absolve him of anything. Try to follow and connect the dots as to why that would be relevant next time.

And I appreciate the advice but I will continue to post the rumors that are flowing in.
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A previous relationship still doesn't mean they he didn't rape this girl. Trying to trivialize a rape case down to he said she said is jut terrible and the all the leaps of faith you want others to make in order to show your guy as the victim is terrible.

If you want to breathlessly report every single thing a crazy FSU fan wants to trot out on the internet to "just get the whole story out there" then whatever. It really makes you look no better than the crazies who are saying any and everything to defend what's looking more and more like a scumbag. Kudos to that or whatever.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not going to look thru the Manziel thread and I may be getting you mixed up with Mr. Tex.

I dont like Manziel as a prospect for the Texans. But I do think that some Aggies and the media as a whole have a strong dislike for Manziel. His Oilpatch ways and his brashness on/off the field. People usually hate on wealthy families that are brash/braggers, but can back up their words on the field and in life.
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It wasnt me. I enjoy watching Manzel and while I see no reason to sign thousands of items without getting paid I couldnt care less about it. He is out of the heisman race for this year so a couple more games and the draft is what we have now
 
ESPN TV reporting that Winston will not be charged.

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ESPN said:
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Nearly one year after Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston was accused of rape by a female FSU student, the state attorney has decided not to charge the Heisman Trophy favorite, a source who helped draft the statement to the media told Jeff Cameron, host of 97.9 ESPN Tallahassee.
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Press conference by State Attorney Meggs in 30 minutes.

Jansen and Winston will also be having a press conference.
 
There will be lots of questions. If Winston is having a press conference, very likely no charges being charged.
 
infantrycak said:
Not accusing him of anything, just pointing out it is going to be questioned.
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No doubt it will. I know some people in the State Attorney's office and it is mainly made up of FSU grads from what I have seen. My girlfriend went to FSU law, so I know a bit too many in both the SAO and the PD's office.
 
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Florida State QB Jameis Winston will not be charged with sexual assault, the Florida State Attorney’s office says #football #FloridaState
 
TexansSeminole said:
ESPN TV reporting that Winston will not be charged.

Press conference by State Attorney Meggs in 30 minutes.
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He's doing a credible job, really answering about specific details... appears to be a measured man. His decision -- based on the questions he's answering/details he's divulging -- seems reasonable to me.
 
Playoffs said:
He's doing a credible job, really answering about specific details... appears to be a measured man. His decision -- based on the questions he's answering/details he's divulging -- seems reasonable to me.
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He's definitely done this before, you can see that. It seems to me that he has relied on others to do most of the work in the case, and now has reviewed all the findings. Could be wrong on that though.
 
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