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Jamie Sharper on the Trading Block

i always thought Sharper was the one strength that our defense had, i guess i was wrong. Is it me or is our D gonna be missing something when he's gone ???
 
TexansTrueFan said:
i always thought Sharper was the one strength that our defense had, i guess i was wrong. Is it me or is our D gonna be missing something when he's gone ???
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I'm divided on this.. I like Sharper.. I want him to retire as a Texan, yet he has one year left on his contract and I am assuming (you know what they say about when you assume) that contract extention has stalled and that is what this fuss is about. Well we better get something for him before he leaves us.Only smart thing to do.
 
yeah id hate to see him go as well, but if he does i would like to see us get something for him, i think he is one of the better ILB in the nfl !!!
 
My take on the situation is that we should atleast try and get something with a trade, but im not for realeasing him just to free up some cap space.

Jamie has been wonderful these past 3 years, but he is past his prime and wont get any better. He will either stay the same or his playing ability will decrease as age starts to take a toll on him. I think the texans could use some more youth @ the ILB position which they acheived with Greenwood, but another young backer to go alongside with him would be very nice.

Obviously i would love to see DJ in a Texans uniform and i am all for the trade with the Browns, but i dont know abotut he likelyhood of that. Anywho, I would really like to see Greenwood and another young ILB mature together throughout thier careers and see them tag-team on opposing offenses.
 
Everyone knows Dallas is changing to 3-4 because Bill wants 3-4, so why not trade Jamie Sharper to Dallas for one of those early 1st round picks. they get LB who is a consistent player and knows 3-4 and we get an extra pick to get a couple of solid additions like Drob and Babin :thumbup
 
BigDTexansFan said:
Everyone knows Dallas is changing to 3-4 because Bill wants 3-4, so why not trade Jamie Sharper to Dallas for one of those early 1st round picks. they get LB who is a consistent player and knows 3-4 and we get an extra pick to get a couple of solid additions like Drob and Babin :thumbup
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Because Sharper is in the final year of his contract, he's almost 31, and he's making $6 million per year... Nobody is going to give us a first round pick in order to take over that situation.
 
dalemurphy said:
Because Sharper is in the final year of his contract, he's almost 31, and he's making $6 million per year... Nobody is going to give us a first round pick in order to take over that situation.
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People keep acting like Sharper has no trade value because he is in the last year of his contract, but the reverse is true. Trades only get done in the NFL in the last 1-2 years of the contracts because the trading team has to take all the un-prorated signing bonus as a dead money cap hit. The new team just makes the deal conditional on having an acceptable contract extension worked out. For example, Champ Bailey and Clinton Portis both worked on new contracts when traded.
 
This was posted on KFFL today. So it isn't impossible to trade Sharper and move up and take Derrick Johnson or to at least get a 3rd rounder for Jamie.


Vikings | Made Two Offers for Jaguars' Darius - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:45:28 -0800

Bart Hubbuch, of the Florida Times-Union, reports the Minnesota Vikings gave two trade proposals to the Jacksonville Jaguars regarding Jaguars SS Donovin Darius. Both trade offers were turned down by the Jaguars. According to the report, the Vikings first offered the Jaguars their No. 7 overall pick for the Jaguars No. 21 pick and Darius. The team's second offer was reportedly a third-round pick for Darius.
 
If you haven't read Ajs 'Voice of the Fan' on the main page .. it's a great read.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1585


Losing the most popular player in the team's short history will be felt.
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Sharper is the Texans player that I admire the most. He is a leader on and off the field and he will be missed. Leaders say and do what is needed even though it is not politically correct. Leaders stand up and fight when necessary.

The real reason that Sharper was told to seek a trade is because he said “somebody has to show us the way” and “we need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games.” I said amen to that. I respect Sharper for having the guts to tell it like it is, and I am sure that some of the young players on the team also respect him for that.

The Texans are a team in turmoil after only 3 years of starting play!! CC said that he came to Houston to build a team...I wonder how getting rid of the best defensive player on the team, who is still young, is accomplishing that?? What kind of message it sends to other veteran players? Shut up or be traded? How is that building a team? Who is next? Wong said after the last game of the season that the "coudn't understand why Texans got away from what was working" does that mean he is next?
 
I think losing Sharper will be a big blow to our defense, 139 tackles,...6th in the league,...I hope they can work it our because our D was really starting to click.
 
TexansNFL said:
Sharper is the Texans player that I admire the most. He is a leader on and off the field and he will be missed. Leaders say and do what is needed even though it is not politically correct. Leaders stand up and fight when necessary.

The real reason that Sharper was told to seek a trade is because he said “somebody has to show us the way” and “we need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games.” I said amen to that. I respect Sharper for having the guts to tell it like it is, and I am sure that some of the young players on the team also respect him for that.

The Texans are a team in turmoil after only 3 years of starting play!! CC said that he came to Houston to build a team...I wonder how getting rid of the best defensive player on the team, who is still young, is accomplishing that?? What kind of message it sends to other veteran players? Shut up or be traded? How is that building a team? Who is next? Wong said after the last game of the season that the "coudn't understand why Texans got away from what was working" does that mean he is next?
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You've spoken with Casserly and Capers? What else did they tell you? It could be that the Texans are trying to trade Sharper because he spoke out. It could be they want to trade him because he is overpaid as a LB in a 3-4 defense. It could be they want to trade him because he is turning 30, wants a 5 plus year extension and hasn't shown that he will improve over the next 5 years. It could be they want to trade him because they can get someone that's faster in the middle.

The 3-4 defense forces the ILBs to make tackles. Foreman led the league in tackles for us one year. I guess he's better than Ray Lewis since he made all the tackles. Sharper was a very good LB for the Texans. I liked watching him and I liked the way he played, but he isn't a franchise player. The Ravens wouldn't have let him go if he was. Do you honestly feel he is the best player on the defense? Is it just because you see his jersey everywhere in the stands and he is the most vocal? I think Robinson and Babin have more upside and more overall talent. They play more difficult positions and did very well as rookies.

I fail to see what turmoil the Texans are in. They struggled in the last week of the season against a team with nothing to lose. Teams lose games. There is no difference in 7-9 or 8-8. The Texans didn't lose a spot in the playoffs because of that game. It doesn't affect the outcomes this season. The Texans are looking to dump a few salaries to maintain flexibility and continue to improve the defense. The Patriots released 9 players 2 weeks ago. A few of them guys that started for them. Do you think they are in turmoil? 2 years ago they released their starting safety a week before the season started. Teams get rid of players. If a team wants to win in this league in this day and age they have to be willing to make roster adjustments and make the difficult decisions.
 
TexansNFL said:
Sharper is the Texans player that I admire the most. He is a leader on and off the field and he will be missed. Leaders say and do what is needed even though it is not politically correct. Leaders stand up and fight when necessary.

The real reason that Sharper was told to seek a trade is because he said “somebody has to show us the way” and “we need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games.” I said amen to that. I respect Sharper for having the guts to tell it like it is, and I am sure that some of the young players on the team also respect him for that.

The Texans are a team in turmoil after only 3 years of starting play!! CC said that he came to Houston to build a team...I wonder how getting rid of the best defensive player on the team, who is still young, is accomplishing that?? What kind of message it sends to other veteran players? Shut up or be traded? How is that building a team? Who is next? Wong said after the last game of the season that the "coudn't understand why Texans got away from what was working" does that mean he is next?
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Sharper is far from young?... and just exactly how do you know that his statements are the real reason his is being traded/cut/realesed? You're gonna have to do better than making a few statements that were assumed, give us a link or something.
 
Initially I thought the idea of trading sharper would be horrible but it makes more sense to me now that an aging LB wanting too much money is not the way to go. He may be a fan favorite but fan favorites do not always mean winning, example:emitt smith in AZ. If we strengthen our D by releasing him by adding more youth I am all for it. Who knows, we may even find a gem in his replacement.
 
I say try to trade him for a 2nd rounder, and if we sign pace, and give up a 1st rounder, maybe trade later picks for a 1st round like last year
 
sharper for a 2nd rounder? that sure sounds nice but you might have an easier time trying to sell ice to an eskimo.

sources are saying we got played - pace signs a long term contract with the rams so no giving up our 1st.

like last year, we very well might likely trade back into the 1st round
 
If we had made the playoffs last year I'd be more reluctant to trade Sharper. I like this team and I think we can get to the playoffs this year with or w/ out Jaime. It would be nice to get a 2nd for him, but I would be happy with a 3/4 or 3/5 type deal. I think we have enough young veterans who are ready to lead this team so lets trade Sharper, save some cap space and get picks to add more pieces to the puzzle. Babin/Dunta are the face of our D for the future. Glenn Earl is a good young talent too + Peek, Greenwood, etc, see my point here we have some players on D. With the pick we get for Sharper we can find a good D-lineman to help this year and to groom to start in a year or two, or a saftety to replace Coleman in a year or 2, or a db to replace glenn in a couple years. Payne will do fine being a leader for the D and Babin, Peek, Earl, & Dunta have experience now + I like Greenwood and we'll have a couple good rookies. I like Sharper but lets get something for him while we can.
 
well the way i've been looking at the whole sharper issue is this...if we trade or release sharper then we are more likely to start peek who i think we can all agree should be given a chance to start all 16 games...if we don't lose sharper then we keep a cornerstone of our defense but we need to re-sign him to a long term deal...what do i think is gonna happen...i think he'll be part of a draft day trade in order for us to gain another 1st day pick...probably a third rounder
 
i think the best we can do realisticly is a 3rd or 4th round pick, factoring in his contract age and lack of pro bowl appearances, his price will be driven down.
 
The guy is the best player on our defense. If they do trade him I don't think even a just a first rounder can provide what he does to this team. I am not a big Wong fan, him playing inside isn't as comforting to me than Sharper, a pro bowl caliber player.
 
I have been encouraging the fans of the 2nd best NFL team in Texas to give us that extra #1 as they will only waste it, if they going 3-4 who better to help other players get accustomed to it then our trade bait Jamie Sharper.


On a more personal note last time Texans played in Dallas in preseason. Jamie Sharper was nice enough after game to sign some autographs and talk to a few fans that night
 
I think we would have to throw in a draft pick, but Sharper and a third would be a nice deal. Do the Cardinals need a linebacker though?
 
i'd like to know how we'll possibly improve on defense by losing sharper.

sharper > wong
sharper > greenwood
sharper > 3rd (or worse) draft pick
DJ might be a future upgrade or he might be a bust (dont read too far into it, i'd love to have DJ, he's yet to even see a nfl practice squad is my point)

we play a 3-4 defense and losing our best lb doesnt make much sense to me, nomatter the reason. if it is posturing to assist in negotiations, fine. if we're looking to dump salaries, get rid of foreman & wong. both of whom have been average at best over the past 3 seasons. dont drop the defensive mvp for our entire existance.

"he's on the downside of his career" ... and still leads the texans defense in nearly every category.

"he costs too much" ... maybe, but we can afford it. the last year of a veteran's contract is always big, that's nothing new.

"he angered management with his comments" ... he said what fans have been saying for 3 years. play to win a game instead of keeping it close til the end. vinny you said his comments showed lack of leadership and i'm not sure i see how. how is he supposed to lead to wins? he's not much of a quarterback, i doubt he's calling the plays from the booth, & i really dont think he'd accomplish much on our lethargic o-line. he does lead with his play though sporting first in tackles, stops for loss, forced fumbles (t), & defensive td's (t) ... had we actually blitzed and used him on the rare occasion that we did he'd probably have atleast 2 more sacks putting him on top there also. i'd actually commend him on his restraint for saying only the blatently obvious.
 
BigDTexansFan said:
I have been encouraging the fans of the 2nd best NFL team in Texas to give us that extra #1 as they will only waste it, if they going 3-4 who better to help other players get accustomed to it then our trade bait Jamie Sharper.
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Pipe dream. We will be LUCKY to get a 3rd rounder for him.
 
Scooter said:
vinny you said his comments showed lack of leadership and i'm not sure i see how. how is he supposed to lead to wins?
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Most of the people around me knew I was critical of Sharper's play long before this was announced (the Texans moving him on). I just thought that the comment was weak because leaders don't beg to be led. He could lead by example or by word, but he was doing neither with those comments and his poor play. Not much more to my comment than that.
 
wildcat45 said:
whos in line to pick up dj in the draft and is it possible for that big a jump down with a trade involving sharper
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Another lets get DJ fan huh? Sharper likely wouldn't move us up much in the draft IF we found a taker. If we moved from 13 to say 6 (Tennessee), the proper term is "moving up" not "jump down".
 
Scooter said:
i'd like to know how we'll possibly improve on defense by losing sharper.

sharper > wong
sharper > greenwood
sharper > 3rd (or worse) draft pick
DJ might be a future upgrade or he might be a bust (dont read too far into it, i'd love to have DJ, he's yet to even see a nfl practice squad is my point)

we play a 3-4 defense and losing our best lb doesnt make much sense to me, nomatter the reason. if it is posturing to assist in negotiations, fine. if we're looking to dump salaries, get rid of foreman & wong. both of whom have been average at best over the past 3 seasons. dont drop the defensive mvp for our entire existance.

"he's on the downside of his career" ... and still leads the texans defense in nearly every category.

"he costs too much" ... maybe, but we can afford it. the last year of a veteran's contract is always big, that's nothing new.

"he angered management with his comments" ... he said what fans have been saying for 3 years. play to win a game instead of keeping it close til the end. vinny you said his comments showed lack of leadership and i'm not sure i see how. how is he supposed to lead to wins? he's not much of a quarterback, i doubt he's calling the plays from the booth, & i really dont think he'd accomplish much on our lethargic o-line. he does lead with his play though sporting first in tackles, stops for loss, forced fumbles (t), & defensive td's (t) ... had we actually blitzed and used him on the rare occasion that we did he'd probably have atleast 2 more sacks putting him on top there also. i'd actually commend him on his restraint for saying only the blatently obvious.
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:thumbup GREAT post!
 
Scooter said:
i'd like to know how we'll possibly improve on defense by losing sharper.

sharper > wong
sharper > greenwood
sharper > 3rd (or worse) draft pick
DJ might be a future upgrade or he might be a bust (dont read too far into it, i'd love to have DJ, he's yet to even see a nfl practice squad is my point)

we play a 3-4 defense and losing our best lb doesnt make much sense to me, nomatter the reason. if it is posturing to assist in negotiations, fine. if we're looking to dump salaries, get rid of foreman & wong. both of whom have been average at best over the past 3 seasons. dont drop the defensive mvp for our entire existance.

"he's on the downside of his career" ... and still leads the texans defense in nearly every category.

"he costs too much" ... maybe, but we can afford it. the last year of a veteran's contract is always big, that's nothing new.

"he angered management with his comments" ... he said what fans have been saying for 3 years. play to win a game instead of keeping it close til the end. vinny you said his comments showed lack of leadership and i'm not sure i see how. how is he supposed to lead to wins? he's not much of a quarterback, i doubt he's calling the plays from the booth, & i really dont think he'd accomplish much on our lethargic o-line. he does lead with his play though sporting first in tackles, stops for loss, forced fumbles (t), & defensive td's (t) ... had we actually blitzed and used him on the rare occasion that we did he'd probably have atleast 2 more sacks putting him on top there also. i'd actually commend him on his restraint for saying only the blatently
obvious.
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Stating the obvious > j00 :whistle: :heh:


We can wish they keep the Sharper Image...BUT IT AINT HAPPENIN'! Trust me, I want predator back here, but the wrong things were said..sadly, he wont be back. :thumbdown
 
The Cards could use both a linebacker and an injection of experience. They still have plenty of cap room. Shelton is out of favour with Green, basically because he's a lazy sod, and I don't want him here for the same reason. If they just want to throw us their third, that might be ok by me.
 
Tailgate said:
And can the Cards afford to lose a Tackle????
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"Shelton, a first-round pick in 1999, has started 77 games. Falling out of favor with Cardinals' first-year coach Dennis Green last season, Shelton had only nine starts and missed the final three games with a left knee injury.

Shelton, who has the Cardinals permission to seek a trade, visited the Bills last month. "

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/BUF/8316634

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I'm not too familiar with linemen but in that article i read that he had quality
 
ThaShark316 said:
We can wish they keep the Sharper Image...BUT IT AINT HAPPENIN'! Trust me, I want predator back here, but the wrong things were said..sadly, he wont be back. :thumbdown
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You are probably right. Reality has finally set in for me. It was fun while it lasted!
Jamie gave us some exciting football, especially the first two years.

Wonder if we'll see all the #55 jerseys in the stadium this year? I plan to wear mine.
 
i really feel letting sharper go will come back to bite this organization in the rear end. I only hope Green wood can be half as productive as Sharper has been for us the 3 years he has been here.
 
Texans | Could Hold Onto Sharper Beyond Draft - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:26:10 -0800

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Houston Texans may hold onto LB Jamie Sharper until after the NFL Draft if they are not able to work out a trade before then. While they are looking to part ways with him, they are not simply going to give him away.
 
texan279 said:
Texans | Could Hold Onto Sharper Beyond Draft - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:26:10 -0800

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Houston Texans may hold onto LB Jamie Sharper until after the NFL Draft if they are not able to work out a trade before then. While they are looking to part ways with him, they are not simply going to give him away.
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That's what I like to see...We have all the leverage in this situation, and it's good to see the front office at least trying to get something for him...
 
im fine with a third rd pick! we are keeping the roster young and restructuring or giving him a new deal next year would be pointless (in this regard i aggree with CC). he is a solid player but if we can get pro bowl caliber players at most positions and all of them be young by building in the drsft the way we are than there is a bright future. hhmmmm dynasty??
 
ThOrNy said:
im fine with a third rd pick! we are keeping the roster young and restructuring or giving him a new deal next year would be pointless (in this regard i aggree with CC). he is a solid player but if we can get pro bowl caliber players at most positions and all of them be young by building in the drsft the way we are than there is a bright future. hhmmmm dynasty??
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haha that is the first time i have ever heard someone say dynasty is the same sentence as the texans, well lets win 1-2 superbowls and then we can have that kinda thread, or more fire D.D or Capers threads, cause noone will ever be 100% happy !
 
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