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Jamie Sharper on the Trading Block

TheTim5125 said:
he said he would restructure i say we keep him
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It almost surely isn't that simple.
His idea of restructuring may be way out of line with his actual value to the team. He may be looking for a lot longer contract than the team thinks reasonable and may also want guaranteed money which is a step in the direction of cap hell...
 
bckey said:
How about the outside? Surely you aren't implying that Sharper was the weakest link of the 4 starters.
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I don't know how you figure I am implying that. Right now the only two sure starters are Babin and Greenwood. Everything else is up in the air. I've already stated before this trade was announced that I thought Sharper's play wasn't as good as his previous years and he may be in decline. They may feel he is not worth what he is asking and just want to get younger and faster at this position. It's not like our linebackers have made game changing plays very often here in the first three years. Seems to me the Texans feel that this group has gotten as good as it is going to get and they may not feel like that is good enough.
 
I personally think so much instability cannot be the best way to address our LB issues.
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I mostly agree with you, but Capers' 3-4 has always been about speed and athleticism, two things that are largely adressed with this kind of re-vamp of the LBs.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:woot If BJ Symmons came in and showed more than Carr I'd say trade Carr . Carr is the face of the franchise but thats only for today.
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Ragone has a far better chance at doing that than Symens. Symens was the product of a system that produces 4k passers every year with the Dink'N'Dunk style at TT.
 
Vinny said:
I don't know how you figure I am implying that. Right now the only two sure starters are Babin and Greenwood. Everything else is up in the air. I've already stated before this trade was announced that I thought Sharper's play wasn't as good as his previous years and he may be in decline. They may feel he is not worth what he is asking and just want to get younger and faster at this position. It's not like our linebackers have made game changing plays very often here in the first three years. Seems to me the Texans feel that this group has gotten as good as it is going to get and they may not feel like that is good enough.
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I agree with most of what you are saying Vinny but I think most people felt the DL was our weakest link and hampered some of our LB play. We do need a shake up on defense though.
 
DOCTOR24 said:
Vinny, you don't consider Wong a sure starter?
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No, I think he is a good but not above average ROLB and I think that he may not be a good fit inside. I've even seen some astute Texans observers speculate that Wong may not even be on the squad next season. Just remember that this defensive unit has never been better than average. Perhaps the Texans feel that their linebacker play is the culprit moreso than most of us do.

bckey - I think injuries played a role in their play last year and hopefully they will add a youngster and the vets all get past their nagging injuries. It’s my perception that Walker should bounce back because he has a long history of high caliber play and he had problems with some critical leg/thigh area muscles last year that robbed his explosion. Two gap linemen play at a high level deep into their careers so I am not as concerned as most of you guys. I'm more concerned that RoSmith was overrated and not as good as either Payne or Walker. Last year it took him more than half a year to start to make a few plays. Payne had a slow start and got better as he got back into playing shape and RoSmith and Payne never really had many of their best games together. If all 3 are healthy and RoSmith isn't a bust, I think our line will be fine for years as they are currently situated. That goes against the common sentiment here, but that’s what I see.
 
infantrycak said:
You have to deduct the dead money to get the cap space the team saves so the Texans would have about $4.75 extra cap space if they release Sharper. Releasing Foreman gives about $200k in cap space but also clears $2.2 and $3.1 off in later years.
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Okay for some reason I thought his base was around 6.5 and he had a bonus on top of that. I'm aware of how the base and bonus numbers function, but I just don't keep track of how they are broken down for individuals.
 
Here is an article from the Chronicle via prosports daily. Maybe some of you are interested.
I apologize if it is already posted.

Sharper and Forman article

I believe that too many people are thinking that we are not taking a step down by losing Sharper. I think we will; however, I think it is a neccessary step to progress two steps forward in the overall scheme. We need the cap space for other reasons.
 
From bengals.com:
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Reunion interests Sharper

One of Marvin Lewis’ high-profile Super Bowl defenders is interested in re-joining him in Cincinnati, but a few things have to happen first.

Linebacker Jamie Sharper, who had 20 tackles, two sacks, and two interceptions during the Ravens’ championship postseason for Lewis in 2000, is on the trading block in Houston and he has told his agent he finds playing for Lewis again intriguing.

But Tony Agnone said Wednesday it doesn’t look promising that a trade can be struck with any team.

“We’re looking into a release,” said Agnone, the Baltimore-based agent who has a good relationship with Lewis from his six seasons there as the Ravens defensive coordinator.

“It’s up to the Texans, and obviously we’d like to get Jamie on the market as quickly as possible,” Agnone said. “He loves Marvin. He’s his guy, his mentor, whatever you want to call him. Jamie would love to be able to sit down and talk with Marvin, but he can’t and we can’t. We’ve been given permission to seek a trade, but not permission to talk.”

Agnone wouldn’t comment when asked if he had approached the Bengals about a trade, but he indicated they are one of the teams leading Sharper’s list.

Sharper, who turns 31 late in the season, has never missed an NFL game in the eight years since Lewis helped draft him in the second round out of Virginia in 1997. He is one season removed from leading the NFL in tackles with 195 and in each of three seasons with the Texans he has had at least 137 tackles.

The 6-3, 240-pound Sharper, who works mainly on the inside, is an athletic ball hawk who would also help the Bengals raise themselves from No. 26 in NFL run defense. Although Houston is moving in a different direction at backer, Sharper is coming off a 137-tackle season in which he returned one of his two fumble recoveries for a touchdown. He’s also got 25 career sacks.

Agnone anticipates Sharper playing on the left, or strong side, if he ended up in Cincinnati, but also said he could play the middle because of his experience playing inside in the Texans’ 3-4 alignment.

“I think the thing he wants to do is to be able to sit down with Marvin,” Agnone said. “But that can’t happen yet and we’re hoping things move along.”

What is not clear yet is if the Bengals have been holding off to make a run like this in free agency, or if they simply don’t have the salary cap room to make such a move. There has been some speculation they may be waiting for March 12, when Sharper’s brother, safety Darren, is expected to be released by the Packers.

In a bit of a twist, the Bengals keep talking about a long-term deal with the agent for running back Rudi Johnson, a guy that just happens to be friends with the Sharpers. They grew up in Richmond, Va., not far from Johnson in Ettrick, Va.

Also Wednesday, the situation of Dolphins defensive lineman Bryan Robinson looked to be status quo, with the Bengals, Broncos and Cowboys in the picture.
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Vinny said:
Just remember that this defensive unit has never been better than average. Perhaps the Texans feel that their linebacker play is the culprit moreso than most of us do.
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Many of the fans (myself included) have thought that the LB's have underperformed as a result of poor D-line play. The fact that they have re-signed Walker and Payne, yet plan on getting rid of Sharper and Foreman, leads me to believe they think it is the other way around. We absolutely have to good to great LB's to run a 3-4.
 
Vinny said:
bckey - I think injuries played a role in their play last year and hopefully they will add a youngster and the vets all get past their nagging injuries. It’s my perception that Walker should bounce back because he has a long history of high caliber play and he had problems with some critical leg/thigh area muscles last year that robbed his explosion. Two gap linemen play at a high level deep into their careers so I am not as concerned as most of you guys. I'm more concerned that RoSmith was overrated and not as good as either Payne or Walker. Last year it took him more than half a year to start to make a few plays. Payne had a slow start and got better as he got back into playing shape and RoSmith and Payne never really had many of their best games together. If all 3 are healthy and RoSmith isn't a bust, I think our line will be fine for years as they are currently situated. That goes against the common sentiment here, but that’s what I see.
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I hope you are right Vinny. No one really questions how good Payne is when he is 100%. I too wonder about Robaire Smith being overrated. This will be the year that makes or breaks us on the DL. Walker worries me the most because we have so much money and a long term contract invested in him. He may have just had "contract lag" last year after signing. Some players play their best in the last year of their contracts and then the worst the first year after signing it.
 
ThaShark316 said:
I have a question...

If we trade Sharper AND Foreman...exactly how much money do we dump (if we take no players in return)?
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This year's net cap savings would be about $4.95 mil. Foreman's cap hit for the years after that would have been 2.2 and 3.1 mil.
 
It's hard to identify, specifically, who the weakest links were on offense or defense. I can say, however, offensively that the interior OLine was the problem (whether it was Pitts, Mckinney, Weigert, or some combination of them)... Similarly, defensively, the weakness against the run and pass on the defense was primarily the fault of the interior 5 (Payne, Walker, Smith, Sharper, Foreman)... They were bad against the run, obviously... And, if there had been an interior pass rush, I'd say that Wong and Babin would've combined for close to 20 sacks.

All that is to say that I'm glad to see changes made. Apparently the Texans have identified weaknesses and are in the process of repair them.
 
have a hard time beleiving that releasing sharper is a good move if we get nothing in return. Maybe im just not thinking outside the box.

The way I see it.. Sharper has been the BEST LB on our roster for the last 3 years. No he hasnt gotten any better, and he may have even gotten SLIGHTLY worse.. but he has still been the best. Releasing him and not getting anything in return just strikes me as a very poor move.

I mean.. If our WRs werent producing and we needed to start over.. would your first move be to release Andre Johnson? No.. you would hold onto your strongest talent and try to bring in some new talent. That way you at least have somewhat of a saftey net in case your new talent bombs. Instead.. we are just taking a leap and hoping everything turns out alright.

Also.. unless we plan on making a slew of signings.. I dont see why the 4.7 million or whatever that we free up by releasing sharper is that important. If im not mistaken.. even after signing our FAs and Greenwood we still have plenty of room left over to sign our draft picks.. so why do we need to release one of our best defensive players to free up cap space?

If we dont trade him and get a draft pick or something.. then the only thing that could save this situation in my mind is if we package him with some picks in order to trade up with the browns or something and grab DJ. I can see how that could be a possibility since the browns would still get a quality LB, and some extra picks. It would sweeten the deal, so to speak.

I dunno.. I trust Casserly.. and im not crying about it yet.. but I dont like the direction this appears to be going.



BTW..

Salary Cap Casualty = Samari Rolle and the other Titan cuts
Veteran being cut for god knows what reason = Sharper, Moss


Cmon Casserly.. if you can get a 3rd rounder for Drew Henson.. you better be able to get us a 3rd or 4th for Sharper.
 
Again, I hope the coaching staff is trying to fix this weakness without weakening the LB unit as a whole. The 3-4 is a complex defensive scheme to grasp and with all the anticipated position changes I wonder how long it will take for the new group to gel. I have faith in our staff, I would just love to have some indication from Capers or Casserly as to which direction they plan on taking this.
 
They obviously are trying to improve the defense's speed. Robinson, Babin, and Greenwood help with that. I really think our 1st round pick is likely to be either a pass-rushing ROLB (sorry Peek) or a WR (since we don't have a #2).
 
I'm with Grid on this one. I think replacing Foreman with Greenwood could upgrade the position, but losing Sharper and getting nothing in return would make no sense unless the staff has already decided how he is going to be replaced. As someone posted earlier, players often play some of their best football in their contract year, knowing they're up for sale, so to speak.
 
Grid said:
Releasing him and not getting anything in return just strikes me as a very poor move.
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This is probably why you have not heard the Texans discussing this as an option. The only place you hear that is from Sharper's camp and from the fans. aj. has pointed out in the near-past that this Texans defense is getting old. 2-gap linemen have long careers and Glenn looks like the kind of guy to play long into his. We may be looking to stay a veteran unit at the line and get younger at linebacker as a two-step Super Bowl run strategy. Many people expect us to push for the playoffs this year but may not consider us Super Bowl contenders. Next year is the year we likely become one of the legit Super Bowl possible teams. This move to inject youth and speed in our linebackers may have its heart aimed at next season. I suspect the Texans are trying to incorporate Sharper into a trade that may be announced at the draft or close to the draft. It may already be in place for all we know. Pure speculation by me of course. I agree with dalemurphy in post 327 also.
 
Also, if we get nothing for him, then he might as well be released after this season. At least we would retain some stability in the LB corps.
 
It's really tough to accept the fact that Sharper won't be a Texan next season, but it does make for a very interesting offseason and training camp. For all those who would love to see Peek on the field more they may jsut get their wish. He might even see time at the ILB position in training camp, although I must confess I'd rather see him outside rushing the QB. This is really leaving a lot of spots up in the air, and it will be very interesting to see what happens. I just hope having players in new positions next season won't play out as badly as having players in new positions on the OLine played out last season.
 
I just opened ESPN's home page and saw a bold text link that says Sharper cut

That would be Darren Sharper.

I need a defibrillator.
 
well im not saying it is set in stone.. but when sharper started talking about it.. and the chronicle started talking about it.. and that jerkweed on ESPN started talking about it.. I have started to get a little worried that we wont get anything and will end up releasing him.

but if anyone can squeeze a pick out of someone, its Casserly.
 
For sentimental reasons I am sad to see this taking place, Sharper has been the cornerstone of this defense, and it will be hard to not see him out there.

However, I do believe that this move is being done to make this defense better. We started with nothing and Sharper was a major player for us that was solid and consistent. As this team grows, the changes should be upgrades. I’m sure that as hard as this change is, it is for the best. The front office is making a move that they feel will make this team better, not worse. Sharper is good, and is the face of our defense, but does that mean we don’t go after anyone better just so our face stays the same?

We were 7-9 last year; I for one don’t want to stay the same.
 
well it will be different and sad not to see sharper out there...i'm just sorry this whole thing is ending the way it is...and i know people say it's a business and the gm's don't care what the fans think but you know what they should...the fans are the ones who pay the tickets, buy the jerseys, and support the team...without us there is no team...that being sad i understand why moving sharper on is must...peek needs to be a starter on this defense and with greenwood signing there would be no room for peek...with sharper out that moves wong inside (even though they deny it you know it's gonna happen) and peek will take over the starting ROLB position...i think if peek can stay healthy and in capers good graces he could end the season with 10+ sacks and be the pass rusher we've lacked over the past few seasons...greenwood will provide solid pass coverage...wong will be the run stopper in the middle...and babin will continue to improve and be a strong link in our linebacking corp

back ups will probably be charlie anderson who i think can be solid rotational guy for us...deshon polk proved his worth this past season...i don't see foreman being with us anymore and i can honestly say i'm not sad to see him go...shantee orr i believe will be the second back up to the OLB'ers...as for the other inside guy i believe he will come in the draft...preferably barret ruud or lance mitchell on my side of things...but i hope sharper goes to the bengals to be re-united with marvin lewis...i have nothing but respect for jamie sharper and i wish him the best
 
i almost cant wait to see what happens. i always like trade talk and rumors. it keeps me interested during the offseason. i dont care what we do or what path we take, as long as the LB group is better than last yrs. i guess its a lock that foreman will be dealt or released. as for sharper, who knows. i do wanna see peek hitting the QB more....its awesome
 
TexanFanInCC said:
i almost cant wait to see what happens. i always like trade talk and rumors. it keeps me interested during the offseason. i dont care what we do or what path we take, as long as the LB group is better than last yrs. i guess its a lock that foreman will be dealt or released. as for sharper, who knows. i do wanna see peek hitting the QB more....its awesome
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I still think our DL and OL are more of a problem than our LB's.
 
Señor Stan said:
I just opened ESPN's home page and saw a bold text link that says Sharper cut

That would be Darren Sharper.

I need a defibrillator.
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I saw the same thing ............ and i felt the same way . :whew :heh:
 
I have heard a rumor that sharper has been traded for a 4th round pick and a player.(probably Tebucky Jones or Kenny Smith) Have you guys heard anything about this?

Thanks and good luck this year.
 
I've heard and seen this rumor. Where did you hear it from originally? I'm trying to find out if it started in the New Orleans media or if it is just some message board thing. Help me out if you could please. We generally wipe all ridiculous rumors around here (if you state a rumor as a fact it will get hammered) but I have seen this and have been emailed about this from a couple of people so I am going ot answer it here as so it doesn't pop up multiple times.
 
On the saintsreport board they said Haslett stated that he is not interested in either Sharper.

I think I found where it started....

http://whodatzone.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3543
Texans SHarper was told to look for a trade. Apparently Sharper is not getting the Texans what they want. He is demanding to be let go. It seems the Saints, Cheifs, Broncos and Cardinals are interested. According to local radio the Saints made the best trade offer. He would have to redo his current contract to get the deal done. The Saints are giving a player and a 4th round pick for him. Sharper refused to give trade talk info out. He says his agent is in charge of that.

We will have to wait and see.

WSF

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Everything i'm hearing is on the radio. It seems many are reporting all kinds of things. The Saints seem to be logical to some. Many radio broadcasters seem to think a trade would leave Sharper with not much choice.

As far as who the trade is, I would expect some rookie or 2nd year player because of value. The Texans love draft picks. Could it be Henderson? The Texans are looking for another speedy WR!

I will try to find some links on this...

WSF
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ESPN's - Clayton also has a few hits on articles about Jaime for us mentioning picks and trades with Cincy or Seattle

Sharper drawing interest
There seems to be trade interest in Texans inside linebacker Jamie Sharper. The Bengals and Seahawks are among the teams most interested. It will cost a middle round choice -- possibly a fourth -- to get Sharper, who is being replaced by Morlon Greenwood.
 
you know i'm wondering if sharper can control who he is traded to because there is no doubt in my mind he wants to go to the bengals to re-join marvin lewis...if he can't i don't see a problem with a trade to the saints...right now i just want this deal done so we can move on
 
The best control he has is whether he will adjust his contract or not. If he is willing to redo his contract someone will pick him up, but if he is willing to do a reasonable contract, he would be here anyway unless he is just ticked off and wants out of Houston..
 
keyfro said:
you know i'm wondering if sharper can control who he is traded to...
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He can't, because he still has 1 year remaining on his contract. The problem is, how much will the Texans get in return from a team that Sharper won't extend with? It would amount to renting an unhappy Sharper for a season. The Texans don't want a unhappy Sharper, why would another team? He has to go to a team that he chooses to get any value in return.
 
Unless we off a sweet deal to Sharper he's as good as gone. So much negativity can be whiped out in a heartbeat with lucrative contract, but I feel that that is not going to happen. We are about to lose one our best defensive players so we better get something good in return. He may have spouted off at the end of the season last year, but this could be the start of a trend in the locker room. Once you start losing guys motivation to play for you it's all over. Pressure sure is mounting on this staff to succeed this year.
 
SESupergenius said:
We are about to lose one our best defensive players so we better get something good in return.
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He apparently wasn't one of the best defensive players last season, as concluded in the team meetings. And they also must have concluded that he wasn't worth the cap hit this year. Since I'm on the outside looking in, I'll have to put my faith in that they know what is going on, and I don't. idonno:
 
it was just stated on the dan patrick show that THE EDGE might be interested
in the TEXANS. how bout we sign little brother DARRIN SHARPER and trade
JAMIE to the colts for THE EDGE. at least we will still have a sharper on the
our team.
 
Marcus said:
He apparently wasn't one of the best defensive players last season,
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1 season does not make or break a player. How tough do you think it will be on our defense this year when we will have 3 of our 4 lb's that were not there last year. I am big proponent on cohesion. I understand us having to upgrade our defense, but at 3 positions in our lb group is going to be tough.
 
I will be sick if this happens. The reasons are obvious--they've been thoroughly posted on this thread, and elsewhere I've already repeated my disdain for the Greenwood signing that started this whole mess.

If the Texans didn't see this train wreck coming, I'm scared. And if they DID see it coming, I'm mystified, because I don't understand why this has to happen. Casserly's the expert, not me, so I'll wait to see the outcome after the draft. Signing a no-name free agent to replace a solid, top-notch LB is scary to me. But let's face it--the benefit of the doubt can only be applied to so many busted signings before he starts to lose credibility. Signing a no-name free agent to replace a solid, top-notch LB is scary to me.

Also, what's stuff like this going to do to the Texans' reputation as a place for veterans to want to be? It may indeed be Sharper's PR moves causing all the waves here, but it looks poor.
 
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The Seahawks also are being mentioned as potential landing spots for two more players who are being dangled as trade bait -- New Orleans defensive end Darren Howard, the Saints' franchise player; and Houston linebacker Jamie Sharper.

The Saints and Texans have spoken to the Seahawks about potential deals, with the Saints seeking a first- or second-round draft choice for Howard and the Texans possibly willing to part with Sharper for a fourth-round pick.
 
If we dont package sharper in a deal to move up in the draft I will be so hurt. I mean he has been the leagues top or top 5 tackler for three years now and he is still relatively young. I know alot of people want DJ who would be awsome but likely not going to happen, but if we could trade for two first rounders or something of that sort and add some serious depth we could be dangerous.
 
I don't know exactly what Sharper's value is on the market, but we got a 3rd round pick for Drew Henson and if it is true we are willing to take a 4th round pick for Sharper either something is oging on we do not know about or the Texans want him gone badly...
 
If it is about money and the powers that be feel he will make too much this season, they should cut him, personally I don't think his salary is too much if you look at what he has done for us the last 3 seasons, I am starting to feel the people up top want him gone for other reasons.
 
TexanExile said:
Signing a no-name free agent to replace a solid, top-notch LB is scary to me.
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If Sharper was so "top-notch" there would be teams knocking down our doors and trying to get him, but guess what they aren't. Don't get me wrong Sharper as been a big part of our team the past 3 years, but the coaches and CC think its time for a change. All we can do is trust them in their thinking until everything plays out at the end of next season, then thats the time to reflect back and see if they made the right decision.
 
If Sharper was so "top-notch" there would be teams knocking down our doors and trying to get him, but guess what they aren't. Don't get me wrong Sharper as been a big part of our team the past 3 years, but the coaches and CC think its time for a change. All we can do is trust them in their thinking until everything plays out at the end of next season, then thats the time to reflect back and see if they made the right decision.
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IMO the reason no team has made an offer is A. because of Sharper's cap hit and B. because I have read in a few spots that Sharper will be released soon if he is not traded so teams may be waiting for him to be released so they don't have to give up any picks or players.
 
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