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Jamie Sharper on the Trading Block

Grid said:
I think we released him because we want to redo our LBs..
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You're a little ahead of the game here--he hasn't been released yet.

Something else for people to keep in mind--just because Sharper says he was willing to restructure doesn't mean his demands were reasonable. Sure he might have done something to reduce his cap for a year or two but he may have been demanding a longer time period for the contract than the Texans were interested in or a really big signing bonus. Sharper may think a 6 year deal with a $12 mil signing bonus and league minimum in the 1st year is reasonable because his cap hit would go down to $2.7 this year but the Texans may not think he has 6 years left in him and if the contract doesn't have a long term you can't pro-rate out a large bonus.
 
From the Point to Ponder department:

The fact that none of the 31 other teams are beating on Casserly's door seeking a trade for Sharper ought to be an eye opener for some.
 
TheOgre said:
How much was Foreman's signing bonus? Doesn't he still have 3 years left (including 2005)?
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Sharper's dead money for the last year of his contract would be $1.375 mil. Foreman's dead money for the last three years of his contract would be $1.32 mil.
 
:thumbup I believe the Texans are building for the long haul . Why not get younger in the middle now as apposed to a couple of years from now . I know he's the best defensive player on a team thats 3 yrs old but you can't say our future is Sharper .
 
I am so irked at all this.
Jamie was one of FEW Texans players who were consistant. He came to play each game at 100%, something the rest of the team can't say. He should continue to suit up as a Texan and retire here. I need to contact Casserly, how do I do this? I am serious!!!!!!!!! :shocked

I find it quite refreshing to hear that some players (not the mouthy ones, but the respectful ones) make comments about how they are being coached and managed. Just goes to show that they are as in tune with it as we (the fans) are. If a good vet player like Jamie makes a comment and is known to be a great guy, kind of makes you stand back and think about what he says more. Is he seeing what we see? Is he saying what we are saying? He gets it in the tush because he is employed by them and is in the spotlight. We get ignored as the uneducated ignorant masses. Guess there is no such thing as constructive criticism in the NFL. It is all about the Benjamins and keeping Jamie is that way too, if you look at it in a WINNING SEASON sort of light. Putting the young talent out there with no mentor is not too smart IMO.
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:hmmm: The Texans did not have the best defense last year . If Sharper was the leader he did'nt lead to well . I don't think Sharpers rants made a bit of difference . He did'nt play that great . The Texans need to get younger on the front seven ,why noy start now . If the Texans are 7-9 again fans are going to look at Capers and Sharper will be long gone . My gut feeling is the Texans will be at least as good as they were last year on defense .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:thumbup I believe the Texans are building for the long haul . Why not get younger in the middle now as apposed to a couple of years from now . I know he's the best defensive player on a team thats 3 yrs old but you can't say our future is Sharper .
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You can't say it is Payne either but we resigned him.
 
Marcus said:
From the Point to Ponder department:

The fact that none of the 31 other teams are beating on Casserly's door seeking a trade for Sharper ought to be an eye opener for some.
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They may be waiting to pick him up after he is cut so it doesn't cost them any draft picks. The Texans probably want too high of a draft pick in return and every team in the league knows that we are going to release him if he can't find a trade. Sharper will play this year.
 
FILO_girl said:
I am so irked at all this...I need to contact Casserly, how do I do this? I am serious!!!!!!!!!
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9 exclamation points? I can see that you're serious!

Address
The Houston Texans
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Telephone (832) 667-2000

email fanfeedback@houstontexans.com

Don't dismiss what effect a groundswell of fan feedback can have on the Texan organization. Good luck with that.
 
I bet that phone will be ringing off the wall!


Honoring Earl 34 said:
.. My gut feeling is the Texans will be at least as good as they were last year on defense .
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I would hope that they would be looking to improve, not stay status quo. Maybe there is a "method to the madness" of the coaching staff, but at the moment they are only leaving Jamie Sharper fans MAD!
 
Lets assume for a second that we cannot trade Sharper for whatever reason(s). If we cut him, we get $6 million to spend elsewhere. If we don't cut him, we spend $6 million for a guy that will almost certainly leave after the season anyways.
 
I was wondering why the
Texans signed the LB from Miami. I thought maybe foreman would hit the dirt but Sharper that is a terrible mistake, he has way too much football in him..

Bye bye Foreman but Jamie WOW talk about a hit in the gut.......


I dont see the Texans getting anybody good for Jamie unless they are trying to change his contract around, damn i sure hope so. Jamie has been a mainstay in the defense since day 1 and has been a overall stud
 
TheOgre said:
Lets assume for a second that we cannot trade Sharper for whatever reason(s). If we cut him, we get $6 million to spend elsewhere. If we don't cut him, we spend $6 million for a guy that will almost certainly leave after the season anyways.
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You have to deduct the dead money to get the cap space the team saves so the Texans would have about $4.75 extra cap space if they release Sharper. Releasing Foreman gives about $200k in cap space but also clears $2.2 and $3.1 off in later years.
 
From earlier this morning:

Bengals | Interested in Sharper? - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:20:55 -0800

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the Cincinnati Bengals are interested in possibly trading with the Houston Texans for LB Jamie Sharper, who will likely cost a middle round draft choice.
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So is a fourth(hopefully a third) enough for Sharper; and is it probaly safe to say Foreman will just be cut? For me it is, I just don't get why we arn't resturcting Jaime's contract. Did something sever go on behind closed doors, or is this all a PR game.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:hmmm: What is the alternative to Payne ? Don't say no gain .
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Rocky Bernard? Marques Douglas? About as well known as Greenwood. Actually I believe Pat Williams would have been a good short term alternative until we bring a draft pick in (this year I hope) to fill the spot. He is older but we are taking a big risk with Payne because of his past injury problems. That is most likely what we will do with Payne if he can stay healthy. Have him bring along whatever dl we draft kind of like Glenn did with Dunte last year.
 
:woot If BJ Symmons came in and showed more than Carr I'd say trade Carr . Carr is the face of the franchise but thats only for today . Sharper is 30 and gets paid alot of money so don't be scared of change .
 
I don't see how this is a black eye, and Boselli was already injured so if you consider that a disaster you were expecting way too much. Cap casualties for older players are common.
 
Seems to me the Texans' brain trust is looking for more out of their LBs. I don't think Sharper and Foreman are going to come out of nowhere and get better next year. We can't stay idle. We may hurt a little by the change next year, but I think change has to come...I just hope this is the right time.

I am wondering if organizations who want Sharper may be inclined to offer a higher draft pick if they know he would be released. If they really want him seems their odds of getting him drop a lot if he were released being that he can go where he wants then...just a thought though.
 
So basically the front 2 runners in trading for Sharper are Seattle and Bengals, which gives the edge to the Bengals since it's his former coach.
 
:woot Look we can get Greenwood to grow dreadlocks OK . The Texans have not had enough success top get a major black eye . When you start winning you really have to make tough decisions . Your players are gonna want to be paid .
 
Vinny said:
I don't see how this is a black eye, and Boselli was already injured so if you consider that a disaster you were expecting way too much. Cap casualties for older players are common.
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I think it is the fact that Sharper has been with us from the start and has played his butt off. He hasn't been injured and isn't rehabbing either. He is still a great player. I understand that this move is all about $ but it really has a sour taste to it right now. This reminds me of the Lawyer Milloy move in New England except they brought in a pro bowler to replace him named Rodney Harrison. Greenwood may prove to be that kind of replacement but that is just it, he will have to come in and prove it. Harrison was already proven.
 
Apparently when the Texans reviewed the game tape they weren't real happy. We have no cap problems and if they don't think Sharper is worth nearly $7 million dollars this is the exact moment to do this. You don't wait till next year and just let him walk. Its my gut feeling that this is going to be some sort of draft day trade. I've posted in the past (speculation) that we would rebuild our linebackers in year 4.
 
As much as I like him Jaime Sharper is on the decline, aging and overpaid (which he will be next year, with his current contract); and no taking measures to either fix the contract or the position leads to the kind of cap hell that Tennesse, the Niners and soon to be the Colts are in. There are times when it is better to make teh tough choice and cut the palyer and move on, look at how the Steelers and the Pats have re-vamped their LB corps, and as much as we may want him to stay this is that time for Sharper. Also I can't seem to shake teh feeling that either Sharpers comments at the end of the season, or something else, is also factoring into this decision.

This is a decision that sucks form all side; the player, the coach, the GM, the owner and the fans.
 
IMO, this makes sense after I thought a bit about it. He is 30 years old, cost 6 mill, wont be here after the 05 season unless a sever restructure happens and we wouldn't want to sign him for a 4-5 year contract like I am sure he would want. Could he play and be a good contributer this year....of course, but it would be better to move on now, bring in a younger replacement and get them a year in the system. That way your looking at a solid play off run in the 06 season with a young, but experienced LB core. Make sense, just don't like seeing Jamie go, but that's football.
 
what about trading him for a younger ILB in stead of a draft pick. that way you get someone who can come in and contribute right off the bat instead of waiting for them to develop. maybe we could trade him and a 4th rounder to the jets for jonathan vilma, the 2nd year linebacker out of miami
 
Hoth-Boy said:
As much as I like him Jaime Sharper is on the decline, aging and overpaid (which he will be next year, with his current contract); and no taking measures to either fix the contract or the position leads to the kind of cap hell that Tennesse, the Niners and soon to be the Colts are in. There are times when it is better to make teh tough choice and cut the palyer and move on, look at how the Steelers and the Pats have re-vamped their LB corps, and as much as we may want him to stay this is that time for Sharper. Also I can't seem to shake teh feeling that either Sharpers comments at the end of the season, or something else, is also factoring into this decision.

This is a decision that sucks form all side; the player, the coach, the GM, the owner and the fans.
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I agree Sharper is overpaid but when I look at the Texans roster I see names like Walker, Wong, McKinney, Wiegert, Coleman, Foreman, Glenn, Payne, Brown and I see some big salaries that we aren't always getting a good return on. Sharper is just in the bad position of being in the last year of his contract at a critical time for the Texans $ wise.
 
Becasue the Jets front office wouldn't trade away a future Pro-bowler for even our first round pick. Much less an aging over-paid LB, and a fourth round pick.
 
Vinny said:
I don't see how this is a black eye, and Boselli was already injured so if you consider that a disaster you were expecting way too much. Cap casualties for older players are common.
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Just my opinion about Jamie Sharper, and I feel very strong about it. As for Boselli, yes he was injured BUT they had brought him in, expecting him to play at some point. So it was a disaster.
My point was .. totally different story lines .. but equally bad endings.


bckey said:
I think it is the fact that Sharper has been with us from the start and has played his butt off. He hasn't been injured and isn't rehabbing either. He is still a great player. I understand that this move is all about $ but it really has a sour taste to it right now. This reminds me of the Lawyer Milloy move in New England except they brought in a pro bowler to replace him named Rodney Harrison. Greenwood may prove to be that kind of replacement but that is just it, he will have to come in and prove it. Harrison was already proven.
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Sour taste ..yes. The bottom line to me is this.. it just is not going down very well right now, being the way it is going down.
 
SassyTexan said:
Sour taste ..yes. The bottom line to me is this.. it just is not going down very well right now, being the way it is going down.
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I agree with you Sassy.
 
SassyTexan said:
Just my opinion about Jamie Sharper, and I feel very strong about it. As for Boselli, yes he was injured BUT they had brought him in, expecting him to play at some point. So it was a disaster.
My point was .. totally different story lines .. but equally bad endings.




Sour taste ..yes. The bottom line to me is this.. it just is not going down very well right now, being the way it is going down.
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I think the Texans expected him (Boselli) to play, but I would be very shocked if they weren't thinking that it was always a possibility that he couldn't play. It was a gamble that was worth it in my book.

I have trouble deciding where I stand on the Sharper issue. I hear that he is willing to renegotiate and I hear that he refuses to do so. I hear that he wants out of Houston and I hear that he figures he would stay here for his whole career. Teams that hold on to players beyond their usefulness just because they are big name players end up in cap hell. I don't think Sharper is there yet, but in a 3-4 defense there are probably 20 LBs in the league that could do what Sharper does at a much lesser cost.

I would be surprised if he is released outright. If the Texans can't trade him he would still be better on the roster than not, unless they have other plans already or feel that Babin, Peek, Wong, Greenwood would be as good as Babin, Wong, Greenwood, and Sharper. They cost less which would give us the money to find that #2 receiver or an upgrade on the DLine.
 
SassyTexan said:
Just my opinion about Jamie Sharper, and I feel very strong about it. As for Boselli, yes he was injured BUT they had brought him in, expecting him to play at some point. So it was a disaster.
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You call it a disaster, I'll call it taking a chance on a player who was the best at his position when we already knew he may not play. The only think we lost was Bob McNairs money. It's not like it cost us another player.
SassyTexan said:
Sour taste ..yes. The bottom line to me is this.. it just is not going down very well right now, being the way it is going down.
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It's going down fine by me. I'm glad we are making a move to revamp the linebackers. They have been over hyped and over-rated from the start here and our defense has been 'bad' the last two years. Our linebacker play was not exceptional in the middle. It was average.
 
TEXANS84 said:
You know, deep down...you gotta feel for these guys.

Things like this seperate this "game" from a "business".

Good luck to both of them...its gonna be extremely strange not seeing 55 with the dread-locks not on the field.
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Another team was faced with a similar decision with a well-loved #55 a couple of years ago. You think Sharper is the face of the defense? How about the Chargers and Seau? That guy was the face of the team for 13 years. It was a tough first year, but it was the right move in the long term and they won a division and got to the playoffs. Granted, it was in the AFC West, but still.
 
From John Clayton:

March 9, 2005
Sharper drawing interest
There seems to be trade interest in Texans inside linebacker Jamie Sharper. The Bengals and Seahawks are among the teams most interested. It will cost a middle round choice -- possibly a fourth -- to get Sharper, who is being replaced by Morlon Greenwood.
 
While I do believe some change in the linebacker corps is necessary, I believe the complete overhaul approach is probably not the best way go about it. We already know that Grenwood will be playing inside next season, his first in the 3-4. If Sharper leaves and Wong moves inside, then we have another player with only limited experience playing inside in the 3-4. If we draft a replacement then there will be even less experience. If Wong does move inside, that means a new player will be playing outside, possibly Peek, who has very little starter and every down experience. That would leave Babin, who was a rookie last year, as the only player to stay put. I personally think so much instability cannot be the best way to address our LB issues. Sorry if that's a little long winded.
 
I don't see how Sharper saying he would restructure his contract should mean anything. For all we know, he wants even more money and/or a 4-5 year deal...neither of those options is going to be good for the Texans because we must get better at LB. So even if he took a little less money and wanted a long term deal...I don't know if it would be good for the Texans. We know what he can do. I don't think we will see him step his play up another notch from what he has averaged over the last three years, and other than the OLBs making sacks, Sharper is supposed to be the big play LB right? Isn't the mac LB supposed to be the headhunter or something along those lines. He doesn't quite fit that bill to me. It is starting to look like now is the time to move on. Feelings may be hurt but that is a part of life. Our LBs must get better...not stay the same.
 
:woot Sharper for Ricky Williams . Vinny do you remember when the Oilers were phasing out Brazile and Bingham ? People were going crazy because they from the Bum era . Sharper was not as good as Brazile but apparently he's more popular .
 
I was a big Dr Doom fan. He was LT before LT was LT. I still think he should have more consideration for the Hall of Fame. He was one of the first 240-250 stand up edge rushing linebackers with great speed.
 
Robert Brazile was my favorite guy on D in the 70's. He definately deserves more attention as one of the best ever!

That being said, I was hoping for at least a 3rd rounder. But if its between a 4th rounder and just cutting him...
 
:thumbup I read where Brazile has the record for stuffs in a season . In 79 he had 41 for losses of 63 yds. He also was a 7 time pro bowler in 10 seasons . John McClain needs to start pumping him up for the Hall of Fame .
 
Vinny said:
You call it a disaster, I'll call it taking a chance on a player who was the best at his position when we already knew he may not play. The only think we lost was Bob McNairs money.
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It is sad that Boselli kept the money in my opinion.
 
bckey said:
It is sad that Boselli kept the money in my opinion.
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Would you have given it up?

He signed a contract. Also he restructured it to help the team. I honeslty can't seem to get why so many people make Boselli out to be a bad guy in all of this.
 
He was going to take it from the Jags. Nobody forced us to take the risk. I have a hard time blaming Tony B. on that one.
 
Vinny said:
I'm glad we are making a move to revamp the linebackers. They have been over hyped and over-rated from the start here and our defense has been 'bad' the last two years. Our linebacker play was not exceptional in the middle. It was average.
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How about the outside? Surely you aren't implying that Sharper was the weakest link of the 4 starters.
 
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