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Jamie Sharper on the Trading Block
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texansfan88
Rookie
fortunately, it's probably not true if it's just a fan on some message boards
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
i hope sharper stays !!!!
ThaShark316
#28
What wrong with Warrick...he's only a bust... 
Its funny...I'm playin Madden and I was about to make that trade (J-Sharper for Warrick)...WTF is goin on around here...
CC, If u do it...I shall slap u across the face, knocking ur coke bottles off ur head. 
Its funny...I'm playin Madden and I was about to make that trade (J-Sharper for Warrick)...WTF is goin on around here...
CC, If u do it...I shall slap u across the face, knocking ur coke bottles off ur head.
ThaShark316
#28
tiger06 said:
Picks, Warrick, two extra surgeons and 3 more trainers for Sharper...
If u get a Warrick, You need him healthy...cuz playa can't stay injury-free.
If Sharper won't sign an extension, what choice do the Texans have but to trade or release him? He'll be gone after the '05 season, anyway. For the future of the team, don't you think it's in everyones best interests to find a replacement (like Greenwood) and move on?
ThaShark316
#28
I think its a "regardless what u do" thing with Sharper next season. If he stays, and he has a productive year, I think he would still be let go...just my 
.....wouldn't u guys agree?
.....wouldn't u guys agree?
AndreJ
Rookie
Yeah i do the guys 30 yrs old and he's not going to get any better as time goes buy im looking ahead for the future.ThaShark316 said:I think its a "regardless what u do" thing with Sharper next season. If he stays, and he has a productive year, I think he would still be let go...just my
Texan Gal 312
Waterboy
Leadership? What kind of a leader begs to be led?Vinny said:
Quote:
"I was done with losing that first season," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "No more positives. You have to produce. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."
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This quote was obviously a part of ongoing conversation. He easily could have been talking about himself and the need to make more big plays. When he says "you have to produce" he isn't talking about a coach. Just a thought.
JS arguably has been the Texans best D player in the teams brief history.Lucky said:
He's also been one of its most highly compensted - he was paid and paid
very well for his time and efforts and performance. If Jamies performace is on the decline and accordingly the team expects him to make a financial accomadation and he's unwilling to do so, well...this NFL thing is first and most of all a business.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
vtech9 said:
Interesting. I don't think we'd be able to trade Foreman for him, but Faine would be a nice pickup. There are lots of good young C in the draft, but Faine might be able to start immediately.
I for one think if Jaime Sharper is not happy in Houston then get rid of him. The only he won a ring was because of Ray Lewis. I never really liked him from the start. Yes he has been productive for us over the past three years but if we can get another running back instead of reciever that would crucial!!! I am thinking Edgerrin James for Sharper and draft pick. Domanick Davis needs some help in the back field
H-townTexan
Practice Squad
texan279 said:
They talkin bout Sharper cost to much look at Foreman he is to expensive,,,,,,,,,Jamie Sharper is our only playoff berth
H-townTexan
Practice Squad
Listen want to get cap room why not trade David carr he is too expensive and he throws an interception every snap 
thatz emberresing
thatz emberresing
H-townTexan
Practice Squad
D-ReK said:
You true homeboy but foreman isnt that good and their paying him almost as much as Sharper but why do they get rid of Sharper he is an ICON around H-town and thiz just blew me up
.... where to begin?
Sharper doesnt want to be here
Sharper is more expensive than foreman by a long shot
Sharper is 30 years old
Sharper has been unwilling to restructure
Sharper would not have been resigned next season
Sharper is not an icon around houston, or if he is, Carr is a much bigger one
Sharper getting traded now, means we get value for him.. as opposed to watching him leave and getting nothing next year
Carr is very accurate
Carr's cap hit is large this year but that is because his contract was majorly back loaded
Carr is the leader of our offense
Carr is young and has huge upside
Carr loves the town and the team and does not want to go anywhere
Carr's interceptions have mostly come at times when he was trying to make something happen when we were losing a game
Sharper is our only playoff berth? you mean he is the only guy we have who has made it to the playoffs? no he isnt. you mean he is the guy who is going to get us to the playoffs? how? he has been consistent every year and he hasnt carried us to the playoffs.. he keeps getting older and costing us more money, and the playoffs are only getting closer cause our rookies are getting better.
Sharper is a great ILB and if he restructures ill be happy to have him back.. but we dont NEED him.. plain and simple.
Sharper doesnt want to be here
Sharper is more expensive than foreman by a long shot
Sharper is 30 years old
Sharper has been unwilling to restructure
Sharper would not have been resigned next season
Sharper is not an icon around houston, or if he is, Carr is a much bigger one
Sharper getting traded now, means we get value for him.. as opposed to watching him leave and getting nothing next year
Carr is very accurate
Carr's cap hit is large this year but that is because his contract was majorly back loaded
Carr is the leader of our offense
Carr is young and has huge upside
Carr loves the town and the team and does not want to go anywhere
Carr's interceptions have mostly come at times when he was trying to make something happen when we were losing a game
Sharper is our only playoff berth? you mean he is the only guy we have who has made it to the playoffs? no he isnt. you mean he is the guy who is going to get us to the playoffs? how? he has been consistent every year and he hasnt carried us to the playoffs.. he keeps getting older and costing us more money, and the playoffs are only getting closer cause our rookies are getting better.
Sharper is a great ILB and if he restructures ill be happy to have him back.. but we dont NEED him.. plain and simple.
H-townTexan said:Listen want to get cap room why not trade David carr he is too expensive and he throws an interception every snap
What you been smokin ?
Go to NFL.com and compare Carr's stats to the TOP QB's in the NFL and you will find he is among the top 5-8 in several categories . Yes DC throws the occasional interception but many if not MOST of them can be directly attribted to POOR PROTECTION , not lack of talent , arm strength or mechanic's . Its pretty hard to hit your target when you are getting blasted from your blindside or forced to flee for your life on almost every passing play.
Considering the type of protection he's gotten over his 3 seasons here . im surprised he has such ..... respectable numbers . They could be much worse . Ask Saints Fan about Aaron Brooks ..... or Lions Fan about Joey Harrington .
My
on Sharper and Foreman ....Foreman is overpayed and has under produced . He is nothing more than a solid back up . Telling him to seek out a trade is more or less allowing him to find employment @ his current salary or telling him you either re-structure or get CUT . If they trade him at least they get something for him ..(if they throw in a six pack of cold ones) .... possibly a 4th -5th rounder.
Sharper is a different story . He's an established starting calibur NFL LB . Although he is getting older , he is still a better than average LB and one of the anchors of the Texans D. This is nothing more than a cap move . Either they re-structure the contract so as not to take the big cam hit next season and cut him like the Patriots have notably done with several players over the past couple years or they trade him now and get some value for him . Seems to me the choice is up to Sharper .
As for how this affects the draft .... if both players are traded or cut in the case of Foreman this turns a position of strength into a glaring weakness as far as depth meaning the texans are looking at a specific player in the draft . This could be DJ in the first round (most likely via trade up) or any number of players in the 2nd-4th rounds.
not sure what to make of all of this...i love how they did this on friday and the weekend basically killed all nfl deals...especially on sunday when there is pretty much no work being done...maybe over the weekend both sides have cooled down and maybe able to get a deal done...with sharper that is...if i was casserly i would either redo the foreman deal where he is getting about the vet. minimum or trade him for whatever we can get...sharper i would try to extend...i wouldn't trade him just yet because you never know how this season could turn out...we could have one of the biggest turn arounds and make it deep into the playoffs then sharper would want to return or we could trade him now and go bust because our ILB's all got hurt...personally i'd rather hold out and hope we have a great season and able to resign him rather than the other scenerio
Ranger
Waterboy
I've been thinking about his for a while--and I'm ready to open my mouth.
I hate to say because I love Jamie Sharper, really I do, but I think its a GOOD idea to trade him. Think about it--he's 30. Yeah he has been the cornerstone for our defense, but he's 30. He can only be a cornerstone, and a good one, for the next 2 years. After that we just got a guy who's at best a backup gettting paid say $6 mil a year in his new 5 year contract. That don't help us much. Who's to say that he will work out a contract anyway? There seems to be a little friction between the two sides and he may want to test out the market so he may up and leave us. If we put him on the trading block now and see what his value his, he may come down on his wanting price and find out he may not be the hottest thing on the market. We get rid of him this year for a 2nd round pick (and a 2nd round pick is the highest we would get for him if not lower say a high 3rd) that gives us one more young player to fill a hole and an extra $5 to play around with in free agency this year or years to come.
Everybody is convinced that Greenwood is a signing that won't effect our defense very much. This is a guy thats very productive. He puts up 125 tackles every year playing alongside Zach Thomas and Junior Seau. I think we got us a special young player here that can come in and is ready to step up and give us 175 tackles and be consistant and to start making big plays. I think that the Greenwood-Wong combination would work. Yeah it don't look good on paper, but it doesn't matter whats on paper. If we can get rid of Sharpers contract and get close to the same production, then yeah I'm happy. I just think we overlooking the effect of Greenwood. Besides what has been are defensive ranking the past 2 seasons with Shaper? It ain't been to good. Its hard to imagine it could get any worse without him.
I'm all for it. Greenwood-Wong is an exciting combination. If we can get a 2nd for Sharper and can an extra player to fill a hole this year, and $5 mil in cap space, then why not. I think its a good job of Casserly to think outside the box.
I hate to say because I love Jamie Sharper, really I do, but I think its a GOOD idea to trade him. Think about it--he's 30. Yeah he has been the cornerstone for our defense, but he's 30. He can only be a cornerstone, and a good one, for the next 2 years. After that we just got a guy who's at best a backup gettting paid say $6 mil a year in his new 5 year contract. That don't help us much. Who's to say that he will work out a contract anyway? There seems to be a little friction between the two sides and he may want to test out the market so he may up and leave us. If we put him on the trading block now and see what his value his, he may come down on his wanting price and find out he may not be the hottest thing on the market. We get rid of him this year for a 2nd round pick (and a 2nd round pick is the highest we would get for him if not lower say a high 3rd) that gives us one more young player to fill a hole and an extra $5 to play around with in free agency this year or years to come.
Everybody is convinced that Greenwood is a signing that won't effect our defense very much. This is a guy thats very productive. He puts up 125 tackles every year playing alongside Zach Thomas and Junior Seau. I think we got us a special young player here that can come in and is ready to step up and give us 175 tackles and be consistant and to start making big plays. I think that the Greenwood-Wong combination would work. Yeah it don't look good on paper, but it doesn't matter whats on paper. If we can get rid of Sharpers contract and get close to the same production, then yeah I'm happy. I just think we overlooking the effect of Greenwood. Besides what has been are defensive ranking the past 2 seasons with Shaper? It ain't been to good. Its hard to imagine it could get any worse without him.
I'm all for it. Greenwood-Wong is an exciting combination. If we can get a 2nd for Sharper and can an extra player to fill a hole this year, and $5 mil in cap space, then why not. I think its a good job of Casserly to think outside the box.
I love what Greenwood brings to our LB corps - a good, young, productive guy who should make an impact right away. I don't know if I like the idea of Wong starting beside him if Foreman and/or Sharper leaves.
I'd be ecstatic if we got a 2nd rounder for Sharper. We'd then have two 2nds and two 3rds, leaving us in great position to fill our team with young depth or package a couple of those picks along with our 1st rounder to possibly move up and grab DJ.
But even if Sharper does stay, I'll be happy. He can still play and he brings a lot to our defense. I trust Casserly and our management enough to do whatever benefits our team the most.
I'd be ecstatic if we got a 2nd rounder for Sharper. We'd then have two 2nds and two 3rds, leaving us in great position to fill our team with young depth or package a couple of those picks along with our 1st rounder to possibly move up and grab DJ.
But even if Sharper does stay, I'll be happy. He can still play and he brings a lot to our defense. I trust Casserly and our management enough to do whatever benefits our team the most.
You know, I like Sharper. He is a solid LB, but he is not worth what he makes. In order to be worth his salary, he must have more big plays. Yes he has lots of tackles and I like that, but I really wish the NFL had some sort of tackles per 4 downs type of ratio. This would give a better comparison of production to other NFL players. The Texans' defense was probably on the field a bit more than most other teams, thus Sharper should get more tackles. If we only get a pick for Sharper, I would be happy with a second. The problem with picks is that you are not guaranteed a solid player, seems like a bigger risk than a veteran. I would rather we pick up a solid young veteran that fills a need position, but that is easier said than done. Ultimately I hope we retain Sharper but at a smaller contract. Sharper is good, but in my book, he is not as good as some people give him credit. He has to make more big plays to get big bucks...he gets around 0-3 fumbles, 2-5 sacks, and no interceptions a year right now...and he makes a little over the franchise value for LBs indicating he is one of the highest paid LBs in the league.
If anyone has a link that compares number of plays on defense each team incures throughout the season, I would love to see it. Thx
If anyone has a link that compares number of plays on defense each team incures throughout the season, I would love to see it. Thx
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
UberDork said:
Here is your
Link .
The Texans were 8th in fewest plays on D last year. It was a good theory, just didn't pan out.
Sharper playing like he did in 2004 was not worth his contract. Sharper in 2002, 2003 definitely was. In 2004 it wasn't the lack of "big" plays IMO--ILB's don't get as many sacks and their opportunities for sacks or INT's really depends on the schemes called. Sharper's play last year was off IMO on being a tad late to seal the corner, a little loose on coverage and on less sure tackling (too many plays he put his shoulder on the guy but did not wrap the arms). Players have off years without it meaning they have hit some sort of physical decline marking the end of their career so my bet would be on Sharper coming back to 2003 form. That said because of the cap getting him to restructure or exploring potential trades (doesn't mean you have to actually trade him) seems smart.
Thanks infantrycak, I definately should have found those numbers myself...heh...just didn't see them...oh well. After looking at the numbers, I think my little theory is mostly bogus, but last year we were near the top and Sharpers production was down some. The two prior years we were near the bottom and Shapers production was up some. As far as the schemes affecting his opportunities for "big" plays is concerned, I sort of feel that if he were a big play waiting to happen, the coaches could alter schemes to allow him those opportunities. Granted, what I just said is somewhat short sighted and probably B.S., but I just don't see a Franchise ILB in Sharper. I see a very solid, does his job well, but doesn't challenge the coaches to alter schemes to suit his dominant play type of LB.
alphajoker
Veteran
If Sharper is indeed talking with the Bengals, then I would love to see this scenario: Sharper and one of our 3rd round picks for their 17th pick. Man having two first round picks would definitely address some major needs. Just a little wishful thinking.
nunusguy said:
Anyone in their right mind would do that deal in the from the Texans prospective , but why would Cleveland do this ? Makes no sense to me for them to take Sharpers contract (not to mention he's gettin a bit long in the tooth) and pass up a potential player like DJ . Sure they get Sharper and the 13 pick ..... just doesnt seem likely unless someone in their front office has been smokin ......
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
:woot Sharper for draft picks no baggage .
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
UberDork said:
I think we have just seen the Greenwood change to allow that to happen more. Weak links affect more than just the weak player on a team. Foreman not getting the job done in run support makes Sharper try to take up the slack. Walker not getting it done last year didn't make Babin's rookie season any easier. Foreman not covering well puts extra pressure on the safeties. Part of what makes the Patriots so good without superstar defenders is everyone is solid so the guy next to them doesn't have to be a superstar to take up the slack and they have a lot of flexibility for schemes.
cptnbreakdance
Waterboy
Go to the Browns message board, they love this idea, they love sharper and they dont want the #3 pick, check for yourself if you dont believe me.