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Jamie Sharper on the Trading Block

Seems we are interested in the Rt Gaurd of the Rams, according to Yahoo Sports (happy about that). I think they are in need of defense. A trade works for me.
 
dalemurphy said:
However, the best player on the defense the last 10 games of last season was Dunta Robinson, not Jamie Sharper... let's get that straight right now.
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Ok, well that's still makes him our 2nd best defender. Name 1 more better if you can, and he's still top 3 on our defense. Also, he's still the best LB we have, a big part of the defense to lose anyway you look at it.


MojoX said:
All this wild-*** speculation and no one is stopping to think that maybe, if Sharper is traded, it is Sharper who wants out?
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Yea that was one of my first thoughts


RTP2110 said:
My first thought when I heard of a possible trade, was that maybe Sharper was asking for the trade.
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MojoX said:
All this wild-*** speculation and no one is stopping to think that maybe, if Sharper is traded, it is Sharper who wants out? The dude is a good player, but I don't know if he was a good leader. He has been critical of the team/coaches and has publicly vented his frustration at the course of the franchise before.
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I tend to look at it like that too. .. could very well be the truth of the matter. Between the money issue and his outburst.. could be why this is playing out the way it is.
Hope he's back though. :)
 
Just to add to the thought.

Hmmm. Our old D-line coach is now the DC at the Browns, with the 3rd pick. I only bring this up because people are saying that we are going to trade up for DJ. I have the Browns picking DJ at three so to get DJ we would trade Sharper for the Brown's 3rd and our 1st. I still don't like it. Sharper is proven and has been our guy. :hmmm:
 
Well, here's the effect on the cap:

-- Texans Allow Sharper to Seek Trade --
Fri Mar 4, 2005 --from FFMastermind.com

ESPN's John Clayton reports the Houston Texans have given LB Jamie Sharper to shop himself in a trade and are considering doing the same with fellow LB Jay Foreman. It's possible the team would accommodate a trade for one of those two and then keep the other. Sharper is considered the player who might command the better value in a trade. Trading Sharper would create significant salary cap room because he's in the last year of his contract. If he is traded, the team would save $5.625 million. Foreman has three years remaining on his contract, so the team would only save $890,000.
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As long as Peek is given his chance to start, I do not care what they do with Sharper/Foreman. Peek and Babin on the outside and Wong and Greenwood on the inside sounds good to me.
 
If we dont get a starter for him in return it is not worth it IMO. He is to good of a talent to be getting a 4th round pick. That would just be a major salary dump. In the case that he is the one trying to get out, then let him go. There is no point keeping a player that doesnt want to play for you.
 
I understand the position about Sharper and his cap hit, but I dont think that he is declining in his career yet. Just because you go from number one in the league in tackles to number 6 doesn't mean your in decline. PLus we had some of our D-line back, that did not participate in the 03 season, that could contribute to some of his stats declining.

I say we keep Sharper for his last year of his contract and if his produciton falls compared to his 04 numbers then we dont resign him. I know we could get a decent deal out of him yet, but I dont see any reason to trade him unless the deal is decisivley in our favor. I know it is a businees but you have to have some loyalty to your players, which in turn might provoke better effort.

Obviously if DJ falls to us we take him, but I believe Spears and or Merriman would be excellent pickups as well. Plus I dont think we would be able to negotiate a deal for us to move into a higher draft position by just dealing Sharper.

Just my 2 cents...
 
AndroidRaider24 said:
So what do you guys think he will go for ? 2nd round pick ? Players ? Position needs ?
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Honestly I really don't see him going for anything, and I'm thinking it might just be a way to give negotiations about a contract extension more of a kick-start. He'll be able to shop himself around, and get an idea of his value and hopefully his demands will become closer to what the Texans think he is worth. That may all be just wishful thinking on my part though.
 
NO WAY There is no way in this world the Texans should let Sharper go. When I look it the leadership for this team, I look squarely at Sharper.... Big Mistake, look at any of the pictures taken of the fans in the stands at Reliant...#55 stands out tall. Forgetaboutit, as they say in NY/NJ :woot
 
Leadership? What kind of a leader begs to be led?

"I was done with losing that first season," linebacker Jamie Sharper said. "No more positives. You have to produce. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."
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I'm pretty sure he was talking about Capers and it is probably why he is being offered as trade bait. Sharper isn't really begging to be led as much as he is frustrated with losing games that should have been won. It sounds like he was questioning Capers ability in general. There was a lot of speculation on these bb's when he said that but I still believe he is tired of Capers lack of fire at times when it seems to be needed and some of the conservative play calling when the game is on the line.

If Sharper does get traded I'll bet we will hear a lot more from him than that.

I like Sharper and I don't want to see the Texans trade him. It may turn out to be like the Antonio Bryant and Parcells deal. Belated payback from the coach and an example to the rest of the players.
 
Leaders don't whine to the press about their coaches, thats poor leadership skills. jmo
 
If I had to guess I would assume the Texans organization is concerned that Sharper will leave at the end of the year. I'm sure they've been in discussions with him to restructure and stretch his contract out over a few years. If he is unwilling to do so, indicating that he wants to leave the team, I believe the best course of action is to see what the Texans can get for him. A first day draft pick is better than having him play for a year and walk away. That draft pick can be used to bring in a younger player that won't be as much of a salary cap hit.

Sharper posted the best 3 years of his career in Houston. The 3-4 defense is designed to allow the ILBs to make the plays and that's what Sharper has done. Had he not played next to Ray Lewis in Baltimore I am sure he would have made more noise there as well. I think the Texans can improve themselves more by moving Wong inside and use a pick to bring more youth/depth onto the team.
 
If the Texans hold on to Sharper until his contract runs out (after 2005) and they get nothing in return (trade this year would do the trick), will he be this year's version of David Boston?

He (Boston) was at the end of his contract and ARZ did not get anything for him (through trades) so they let him play his contract out and then he left for SD (via FA).

I believe the same thing happened with the Astros and Mike Hampton.
 
MikeMc said:
I believe the same thing happened with the Astros and Mike Hampton.
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The Astros traded Mike Hampton for Octavio Dotel and Roger Cedeno a year before his contract expired.

I agree with your sentiment. It's better to get something now rather than getting nothing in a year.
 
I dont think we would have put him up for trade if we intended to resign him next season.

honestly when you step back and look at it...we are not a team thats gonna go out and pay HUGE contracts to veterans. Sharper is an awesome LB and I loved having him.. but he is in the twilight of his career, and I dont see us sacrificing cap space to keep him on with us. if he restructures for the kind of money we can deal with.. then im all for keeping him.. but if he doesnt then I think trading him and replacing him now is a very good move.
 
Grid said:
I dont think we would have put him up for trade if we intended to resign him next season.
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That is pretty common Grid. One way to check your market value when you refuse to restructure your agreement in the last year is to contact other teams to see if you are truly worth what you are asking for. This is just smart and fair negotiating and helps both sides if you cannot come to an agreement. It's become obvious that the Texans do not want him to play at the 6 mil cap hit next season and have not come to an agreement that both side perceives as fair.
 
yah I know that.. well.. at least a few people have said that and ive read it :) so... yah I understand that that could be the case.

Im just saying that I honestly dont think we put him up for trade for that reason. I think we would like to trade him and get something of value for him so that we can bring in some young talent at that position. I think Sharper is a great player but he isnt a long haul player for us. By trading now, we have the opportunity to GET a player that will be here for the long hual. (im talking about Derrick Johnson of course hehe.. but it could also be someone like Thurman).

Also.. didnt someone post and say that if we traded him his cap hit this year would only be 1.25mil instead of 6mil? that frees up enough space to possibly sign another FA somewhere.

I just see alot of doors opening if we get good value by trading sharper. Though I cant say I would be surprised.. or even disappointed.. if he restructured and stayed.
 
What is our window of opportunity for Sharper anyway? how long do we have to move him or restructure his contract?
 
apologize for not having identified this source, but i'm workin on it, it was posted on www.thecollegegridiron.com/forums (a board I am an admin for) by a guy who usually doesn't make up stuff like this.

Sources said Thursday night that linebacker Jamie Sharper has been given permission to seek a trade, a move that would clear space at an overstocked position and rid the Texans of Sharper's $6.13 million salary-cap hit for 2005, the final year of Sharper's five-year contract the Texans acquired from Baltimore in the 2002 expansion draft.
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Why are the Texans trying to save $6 mil by getting rid of Sharper? I don't think they're in serious cap trouble. Are they? Also, what will they do with the 6 mil? If they want a high quality player, it might cost them the same 6 mil. They could use it to sign 2-3 players for depth, but they wouldn't get much talent.

Vinny said:
One way to check your market value when you refuse to restructure your agreement in the last year is to contact other teams to see if you are truly worth what you are asking for.
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I really hope this is the case.
 
Just a hunch, but when a report says a player has been given permission to seek a trade, that usually means that the players WANTS to be traded. Sharper wasn't shy about voicing displease over coaching decisions last year, so it wouldn't surprise me if he wanted out. I don't really disagree with that guy.
 
"Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."
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Leaders don't look to others (even their coaches) for leadership, they step up and lead. In fact, they take responsibility for the team instead of the coaches.
 
BornOrange said:
Leaders don't look to others (even their coaches) for leadership, they step up and lead. In fact, they take responsibility for the team instead of the coaches.
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Agreed
and didn't Gfunk say something along the same lines at one point of the season also?
 
What about trading Jamie Sharper plus our 1st round pick (#13), for Cleveland's 1st round pick (#3)?

Then we could draft Derrick Johnson, and we would be all set at the middle linebacker spots for years to come.

:thumbup
 
I am thinking the thing is a negotiating ploy.. IMO. Sharpers agent playing hardball... and the Texans aren't blinking and they are playing hardball..

If not and strickly a salary move .. I personally would rather keep Sharper than Payne .... but I am thinking that Sharper's agent is comanding too big of bucks so the Texans are doing what they have too..
 
MojoMan said:
What about trading Jamie Sharper plus our 1st round pick (#13), for Cleveland's 1st round pick (#3)?

Then we could draft Derrick Johnson, and we would be all set at the middle linebacker spots for years to come.

:thumbup
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The Browns have new coaches. Their not stupid anymore. They are not trading for a 30 year old in the last year of his contract who wants a big extention and lose 10 spots in a draft that really doesnt have that many big names at the top. That trade will never happen.
 
A lot of ppl on the Browns Message board seem to think that Sharper + 13th pick for the # 3 over all and a later pick anywhere from round 4-7 would be a good deal for the browns....I think it would be a good move for the future, probably wouldnt pay this year but in the next season or 2 it would be worth it...
 
Dunta_23 said:
A lot of ppl on the Browns Message board seem to think that Sharper + 13th pick for the # 3 over all and a later pick anywhere from round 4-7 would be a good deal for the browns....I think it would be a good move for the future, probably wouldnt pay this year but in the next season or 2 it would be worth it...
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You're right, most of their fans think it's a steal. Let's get it done.
 
Dunta_23 said:
A lot of ppl on the Browns Message board seem to think that Sharper + 13th pick for the # 3 over all and a later pick anywhere from round 4-7 would be a good deal for the browns...
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That's why Randy Lerner hired Phil Savage as GM rather than a guy off the Browns' BB. That deal would assume Sharper has the value of a 1st round pick. He doesn't.
 
Savage used to be the Ratbirds Director of Player Personnel and I think he was there when they put Sharper on the expansion list. He may not like Sharper, or perhaps he just didn't like his contract. They are switching to a 3-4 this year but I do agree with the Luckster though. That deal doesn't strike me as one that they would do. If Sharper was an edge player I'd think it would be a viable scenario.
 
actually.. that isnt assuming that he has the value of a 1st round pick.. they are offering us the #3 pick(and a second day pick).. for Sharper, and our #13.


so really.. they are saying sharper is worth ten spots in the draft.. plus a second day pick. that is tempting.. but id be wary of it. if we want DJ, he could be gone at #2. id like to get a first rounder and keep our first rounder.. so that we can trade up if we want to, or if DJ just doesnt fall far enough for us to do that, we still have 2 first round picks to work with.
 
TexanBacker55 said:
I think the Texans can improve themselves more by moving Wong inside and use a pick to bring more youth/depth onto the team.
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Lets say we did move Wong back inside and have him along with greenwood for the ILB's. If we were to get the 3rd overall pick which i think is what some are speculating. And we drafted DJ would he split time with Peek and Babin or would we leave Wong on the outside (With Peek and Babin rotating) and have DJ and Greenwood on the inside?

Just curious as to how our LB positions would look if we traded Sharper and picked up DJ.

Hence:
Peek-Greenwood-Wong-Babin (w/ DJ rotating in with Bab & Peek)

or

Wong-Greenwood-DJ-Babin (w/ Peek rotating in like he did last year.)
 
AndreJ said:
Lets say we did move Wong back inside and have him along with greenwood for the ILB's. If we were to get the 3rd overall pick which i think is what some are speculating. And we drafted DJ would he split time with Peek and Babin or would we leave Wong on the outside (With Peek and Babin rotating) and have DJ and Greenwood on the inside?

Just curious as to how our LB positions would look if we traded Sharper and picked up DJ.

Hence:
Peek-Greenwood-Wong-Babin (w/ DJ rotating in with Bab & Peek)

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Wong-Greenwood-DJ-Babin (w/ Peek rotating in like he did last year.)
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I think DJ would rotate in at the MLB positions, because people believe he is a better coverage guy than a blitzer. Wong would still be on the inside though, but DJ is younger with more potential so he would likely be Wong's replacement latter down the road.
 
Grid said:
actually.. that isnt assuming that he has the value of a 1st round pick.. they are offering us the #3 pick(and a second day pick).. for Sharper, and our #13.
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Using just draft choices, a move from #13 to #3 in the draft would likely take the equivalence of a 1st round pick. From one of the many Pick Value charts on the net:

(#3) 2200 pts = (#13) 1150 pts + 1050 pts

1050 pts = #15 pick

Sharper is 30 years old & in the last year of a contract that will pay him $4.75 million. You have to assume the team that will trade for Jamie will want to extend his contract & reduce his cap number. Else, they're renting Sharper for a year. The Browns have a new organization that is trying to rebuid through the draft & signing young FA's. They're not going to want 30-something players with big cap numbers.
 
then again.. alot of OLBs im looking at are in the 250 range.

and Clark Haggans in Pitts is 6'4" 243.

So.. i guess it is a possibility that he could play OLB.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:thumbup Vinny DJ weighed 242 is that to small. I think you can move him around . He seems to be a smart player .
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He is really not the kind of player that needs to engage offensive tackles all game. Perhaps you guys are right and he can. I've watched him a ton and he doesn't strike me as a DE/Tweener type you need in an OLB in the 3-4.
 
TexansTrueFan said:
ya know all the talk on this board it seems that the only position we need to feel is LB, its not !!!
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I don't think anyone believes LB is the only position we need to fill, but you are responding to a LB thread :)
 
haha na i'm responding to a majority of the talk since the off season began !I'm really suprised that we havent picked up any OL FA even though casserly said we wouldnt make any big changes to the OL. But overall about LBs, I like the crew we have put together so far this off season !
 
Had a Bengals fan say this on another message board:

Bengals are already showing interest in Sharper, and a trade that wold send Warrick to the Texans may be in the works...
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TEXANS84 said:
Had a Bengals fan say this on another message board:
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I'd be ok with that, but i think we should get a 2nd day pick to go alogn with it if it were to happen. As for LB's we would still have Peek, Babin, Wong and Greenwood. Unless we move up i dont think we can snatch DJ @ 13. I use to think we could but now i have my doubts.
 
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