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Jamie Sharper on the Trading Block

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At 6'0" and 238 pounds, it is believed that Greenwood would move to inside linebacker, joining Jamie Sharper and Jay Foreman, and maybe even pushing them out. According to a televised report on KRIV-TV, both Sharper and Foreman were notified that they would each be allowed to seek a trade and a new contract with another team if they could not reach modified deals with the Texans.


Jamie Sharper
Sharper, 30, is in the final year of a contract that will pay him $4.75 million and has a $6.125 million charge on the 2005 cap. If traded, the Texans would still reflect the remaining signing bonus amount of $1.375 million on the cap this year.

While general manager Charley Casserly confirmed that the team has room to keep all of its linebackers, the team is probably frustrated by an inability to strike an agreement with Sharper on a contract extension thus far. Complicating matters may be some emotional comments Sharper made regarding the coaching staff after a home loss to the Colts in December.

"Somebody has to show us the way," Sharper was quoted as saying in the Houston Chronicle. "There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."

Foreman, 28, is entering the third year of his five-year contract this season. If traded, his signing bonus would accelerate, resulting in a dead cap charge of $1.32 million.
 
Texans Pride said:
Anyone remember during the season when Sharper spoke out against the team. . . Stating "Something" needed to change. Anyone think he might be fed up with the Texans style and wants to move on while he feels he still has the chance of being successful?
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I do, and what a great point you bring up. . . I found this on houstonprofootball.com

Complicating matters may be some emotional comments Sharper made regarding the coaching staff after a home loss to the Colts in December.

"Somebody has to show us the way," Sharper was quoted as saying in the Houston Chronicle. "There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."


I love quoting myself :banana: (and the dancing banana)
 
put him in as a olineman. he may not be able to stop anyone, but neither can our current linemen.. and at least banana can make them slip and fall.


(hyuck hyuck hyuck hyuck)
 
I just don't see why we spent that much money for that type of player. Where the heck was Kendral Bell and Hartwell in this equation? :thumbdown
 
Perhaps they wanted more of a coverage guy, Bell isn't the best guy in coverage. Hartwell may have been asking for the Moon. Who knows?
 
or they may have both had personalities that dont fit our team. *shrug*.. Greenwood was obviously the guy that fit us best, otherwise we wouldnt have offered him such a good contract.

Like I said in the other thread.. we have plenty of time to evaluate him before the meat of the contract becomes a concern.
 
From the Chronicle:
Sources said Thursday night that linebacker Jamie Sharper has been given permission to seek a trade, a move that would clear space at an overstocked position and rid the Texans of Sharper's $6.13 million salary-cap hit for 2005, the final year of Sharper's five-year contract the Texans acquired from Baltimore in the 2002 expansion draft.

Texans coach Dom Capers said Greenwood, who signed a five-year, $22.5 million contract with a $7 million signing bonus, would play one of the two inside linebacker positions, but Capers had not decided if it would be on the strong side, where Jay Foreman has played the past three seasons, or the weak side, which has been occupied by Sharper.

There also has been speculation about a possible move inside for outside linebacker Kailee Wong, raising questions about the status of Foreman, who could be aimed toward the same path as Sharper.

But the Texans denied an Internet report that Wong has been told he'll be moved inside next season. Wong also said the report was inaccurate.

This much is certain: The Texans didn't give Greenwood, 26, a $7 million signing bonus to be a reserve, and he will start at one of the two inside positions.

"It gives us a lot more possibilities," Capers said of adding Greenwood, 6-0 and 238 pounds. "Every year we've been here, we've had more variations, more possibilities. Morlon's speed and athletic ability may give us a chance to do some things we couldn't do last year. Any time you have speed and quickness, you upgrade your chances to make plays on defense."

The Texans, who announced the re-signing of nose tackle Seth Payne on Thursday, have placed an emphasis on adding speed to their defense over the past two offseasons, acquiring players such as Antwan Peek, Dunta Robinson and Jason Babin. Speed and cover ability are said to be among Greenwood's biggest strengths. As for which position he plays, Greenwood said it didn't matter.
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Rosusu said:
Dancing banana reminds me too much of Matt Stevens, I dont want him.
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How can that be?? The Dancing Bannana Doesn't have all those cool tattoos!! (sarcasm)
 
all i'm going to say is this...if we trade foreman no big deal...if we trade sharper, a corner stone in this defense since we began, i will be pissed...i've tried to give capers and casserly every chance to prove that they know what they are doing but trading your best defensive player isn't it...i don't care if sharper made comments to the media that pissed capers off because towards the end of the season we were losing games we should have won due to his conservative play calling...greenwood starting in place of foreman great...put him next to wong and move sharper to the outside if it makes that much of a difference...either way sharper is our best defensive player maybe our best player period...i can't see us trading him...and if we do not just a 1st round pick will do it needs to be a top 10 pick in my mind with what he means to this team and this community
 
did anybody get the dancing banana's results from the combine? just curious...it might be all hipe.lol
 
Polk has been getting some love as the next ILB on the Texans, so maybe the angle is there. Have Polk & Greenwood at ILB, draft an ILB for the future.....save tons of $$$ by trading Sharper.

Plus, that "we need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games" crack may have been his ticket out. Nothing like challenging the Coach's ability to the press!!

Nip it in the bud!
 
I second that keyfro.

I don't know what's going on here. I personally wanted to see Foreman gone, and Wong move to the inside with Babin/Peek on the outside, Sharper staying inside. Now it seems like we are in some type of cluster here. I don't know what the Texans are planning...but I don't like it if involves getting rid of Sharper.
Jamie is a leader, and has been from day 1. He won a superbowl along side Ray Lewis and the stout Ravens defense. He knows the game...and if we lose him, I'm gonna be completely baffled.
BTW, I find all this stuff odd considering I sent my check to the Texans today for season tickets. They immediatley blew my payment.
 
Let's keep Sharper's heavy contract much like we did Hakeem's, Biggio's & Bagwell's simply for "hometown" love.

Come on, this is a business, if you can get two for the price of one....you do it! Trade Sharper's talent and experience for two "younger" players that can help the team in the future.

I'm just suprised that the Texans resigned Payne. He better have one hell of a season...injury-free!!!!
 
you know even in business there has to be some loyality...how does this sound to the rest of the nfl if we are trading our best defensive player...a player that is respected around the league...his comments against capers were that of a competitive nature...not personal...now if he isn't wanting to re-sign his contract because he doesn't believe the team is going in the right direction that's one thing...but i still want him here...he's a leader...he is one of the few recognizable players on this team...and he's a fan favorite...i don't like the way this is going...on the otherside if you read the article from profootballweekley it simply stats that greenwood is displacing foreman and the lineup will look line wong greenwood sharper babin which i think would be awesome...but if sharper is traded it'll make me wonder about this team and where it's headed
 
The comments are speculation on the part of internet observers. I wouldn't read too much into them. Players with massive contracts that don't play up to them get moved all the time in the NFL. Why should Sharper be an exception?
 
Well, what about the Randy Moss trade? You can't honestly say it is because he is a punk. TO is much worse than Moss, hell that "mooning" incident was WAY overblown....no one got the whole "poking fun at GB" part of it. It's not like he actually mooned people. More of a "respect" for those die-hard fans in GB:

The story goes like this, after a GB home victory, the fans around the visitors bus moon the opposing players.

back on topic....

Teams, more specifically GMs that take "loyalty" into consideration with making business decisions end up FIRED! No one should be so naive to think that just because a player has played and done a good job, he should be given the Golden Ticket. Look at how that backfire with the Rockets & Hakeem....or how it is backfiring with Biggio & Bagwell and the Astros. You end up with over-priced players past their prime.

Sharper has been with the team since inception...3 seasons...it is time to move on with new blood (via a sweet deal!).

Hell, Sharper played 5 seasons in Balt and only 3 in HOU, I think there is more loyalty for him in Balt than in HOU. Maybe he will go back to Balt.....they seem to need another LB with Hartwell leaving via FA!
 
Obviously our linebacker corps wasn't producing like Capers wanted it too, even with Sharper in there we were not getting pressure or stoping the run. the 3-4 Defense is paramount to having talented linebackers.

Although Sharper is our most talented linebacker at the moment, we need to maybe make a change. The question now is what can we get for Sharper. I think the best we could do is maybe a second round pick from a team like the Chiefs who desperately need defensive players. But more likely it will be a 3rd round pick or so. In doing this our most heralded linebacker will be Greenwood and Babin. Lets hope Babin and Peek can step it up.
 
Everybody herre seems to love teh PAt's as teh model of how a front office should operate, right? How do you think Pats fans are feeling after they cut Troy Brown? Probaly the teams MVP, and a fan favorite?

Older players with big contracts get cut, re0worked ot trade all the time. Untill we hav e adefinitive report on a trade or something we're all just blowing smoke up each others you know whats.
 
Grid said:
or they may have both had personalities that dont fit our team. *shrug*.. Greenwood was obviously the guy that fit us best, otherwise we wouldnt have offered him such a good contract.
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I'm not so sure it was his personality. It might have been more of a who's the best value type of scenario. BTW I found this website for Morlon Greenwood after one of the local sports reports mentioned that Morlon Greenwood made a rap/reggae type of song while he was in Miami.


Morlon Greenwood

James Allen anyone? :heh: j/k It definately doesn't seem that Greenwood is a low-profile type of guy, but from all accounts he's a quick learner and a team player. I just hope that we don't lose Sharper. I'd much rather see Greenwood and Sharper inside together.
 
Even if Sharper has entered the downside of his career, he's still good. But
apparently the management doesn't think he's 6 mil (his cap # for '05 alone) good.
After you wade thru all the numbers for Greenwood, as was pointed out
most his compensation is deferred/back-end-loaded and his bonus money is all that's really vested. I had reservations, but it's beginning to sound like a descent move. The guys forte is speed, and that was what was missing most
from our LB play last year.
 
My first thought when I heard of a possible trade, was that maybe Sharper was asking for the trade. I can understand the Texans wanting to trade #55, but I don't understand the timing. Why trade your best defensive player when you finally have a legit shot at the playoffs next season. I could see if we had been to 3 or 4 playoffs, and now declining.
 
SESupergenius said:
I just don't see why we spent that much money for that type of player. Where the heck was Kendral Bell and Hartwell in this equation? :thumbdown
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It may just be that both those players want even more money:

Thursday, the Chiefs entertained Jeremiah Trotter, who passed his physical, and even brought in Kendrell Bell. They previously had Ed Hartwell in for a visit but his contract demands seem quite high according to several teams — $10 million to sign and $6 million average.
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I'm not nearly as upset as some of you. Sharper said at the beginning of the year that he needed to make more big plays. He has his share of big plays, but he does not perform to a 6 million a year contract. Sorry he just doesn't. This is his last year...We are on a five year plan right?...It is not like we have to trade him. If we don't get any good offers, we can keep him and most likely lose him next FA period. That should keep everyone happy...one more year...oh boy!!

Seriously, if we can upgrade the team with young talent that helps us get to the superbowl, why not do it.
 
RTP2110 said:
My first thought when I heard of a possible trade, was that maybe Sharper was asking for the trade. I can understand the Texans wanting to trade #55, but I don't understand the timing. Why trade your best defensive player when you finally have a legit shot at the playoffs next season. I could see if we had been to 3 or 4 playoffs, and now declining.
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I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, and it could come in the form of them
approaching Walker to atleast restructure his contract. They gave Payne a new contract, but it was nothing like the numbers Walker got last year. This move with Sharper has got to get all the veterans attention 100% focused.
 
Yea nunusguy, I can't understand why they would want to trade Sharper when they have been more than willing to hold on to all of thier other older players.
 
:violin I'm reading Sharper is the best player on our defense . I bet Sharper won't be the best this year .
LB is one of our teams deepest positions with alot of young players . Why break the bank if you have a younger player who needs playing time . When the Texans become a fixture in the playoffs Sharper will be a backup .
The 49ers in their glory days got rid of Montana and Lott . Then won another Super Bowl . Sharper is not even in the same sentence as Montana and Lott.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
The 49ers in their glory days got rid of Montana and Lott . Then won another Super Bowl .Sharper is not even in the same sentence as Montana and Lott.
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And the Texans are not even in the same sentence as the 49ers in thier glory days.
 
If the Texans trade Sharper, and they are dening that they told Wong he was moving inside (which means they probably did indeed say that), and have resigned Polk as back-up. I wouldn't expect them to draft a LB that high unless they want the kid from Maryland to replace Wong. And if they get a good 1st round pick for Sharper look for them to draft Glenn's future replacement. :twocents:
 
Potential starters:
OLB's - Babin, Peek
ILB/OLB's - Wong
ILB's - Greenwood, Sharper, Foreman

I think Foreman is as good as gone (pure speculation). Babin will be our LOLB. Greenwood will take one of the two inside positions. That means we will have either Peek or Wong at ROLB and we will have either Sharper or Wong at the remaining ILB slot. So do we like:

OLB - Babin, Wong
ILB - Sharper, Greenwood
or
OLB - Babin, Peek
ILB - Wong, Greenwood

If it is the latter, we SHOULD try to trade Sharper. The guy was Pro Bowl quality in 2003. He was average at best in 2004. I think it is a bit presumptious to assume he is on the downside of his career just because he had an off year. Personally, I have been more disappointed in Kailee Wong. I'd like to see Wong cut/traded and see the following lineup:

OLB - Babin, Peek
ILB - Sharper, Greenwood

If Sharper isn't worth a damn, then don't resign him next year and bring in someone new to man his spot. It wouldn't hurt to go ahead and still draft an ILB in one of the mid rounds.
 
I don't have an issue with a trade for Sharper in theory. The issue I do have is a hard time believing his trade value is enough for us to replace him. A high-2nd or better would certainly do the trick for me.

If we were having this discussion last year, he probably could have brought that sort of compensation. This year, though? I just don't see it. Failing to get the compensation necessary to acquire an immediate starter, I'd much rather see us draft a replacement and keep Sharper around for a year while the new guy works out the kinks. Sure his cap number is big, probably in excess of his production - but only for one year and we are in a cap position to handle it.
 
Sharper has been the best player on the defense for the first three years.

However, the best player on the defense the last 10 games of last season was Dunta Robinson, not Jamie Sharper... let's get that straight right now.

Sharper would certainly be missed. However, don't criticize the front office for exercising fiscal responsibility, especially when dealing with guys on the backside of their career. There is nothing disrespectful about a team allowing a player to seek a trade when he's in the last year of a contract. It's actually quite respectful. They've probably discussed with him their plans for next season and beyond, and, having been given that information, would like to go elsewhere.
 
While I can't hardly imagine the Texans without Sharper, it is a business, and I agree with what dalemurphy said. Look at the Pats. They certainly don't mind letting go of their star players, and replacing them with young talent. And if we can get Jamie to restructure, that would be even better.
 
keyfro said:
you know even in business there has to be some loyality...how does this sound to the rest of the nfl if we are trading our best defensive player...a player that is respected around the league...his comments against capers were that of a competitive nature...not personal...now if he isn't wanting to re-sign his contract because he doesn't believe the team is going in the right direction that's one thing...but i still want him here...he's a leader...he is one of the few recognizable players on this team...and he's a fan favorite...i don't like the way this is going...on the otherside if you read the article from profootballweekley it simply stats that greenwood is displacing foreman and the lineup will look line wong greenwood sharper babin which i think would be awesome...but if sharper is traded it'll make me wonder about this team and where it's headed
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All this wild-*** speculation and no one is stopping to think that maybe, if Sharper is traded, it is Sharper who wants out? The dude is a good player, but I don't know if he was a good leader. He has been critical of the team/coaches and has publicly vented his frustration at the course of the franchise before.
 
I think we won't get a high pick for him. It would be more of a salary dump. I think we would get something like a 4th or 5th rounder for him, especially since he is in the last year of his contract. We might be able to get more if he agreed to a contract extension with his new team.
 
In order to get DJ we have to trade up at least to the eight spot, or initiate a draft trade where we draft at 13 and draft who someone wants and trade them exclusively.
 
NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT JAMIE!!!!
He has been a rock since day 1, always there for the team. He is an awesome player and who cares if he has hit 30? He is GOOD and DEPENDABLE. Thanks a lot, I am now very bummed. Jamie is my fave TEXAN. I believe someone has to be whack to think of letting him go! :wacko:
What is his hit this year? 6mil and some change? HE IS WORTH IT!!!!!!!
I just don't understand this............... :shocked
 
1. Sharper will be 31 yoa November 23, 2005 not 30. If he resigns for even 3 years, do we need a 33/34 yoa player last two years?
2. Lance Zerline on 610 this morning said 4th rounder in a trade most probable scenario although he thought Sharper worth more than a 4th. Is that better than losing him F/A?
3. Even if we want to trade up for Johnson, we have no idea where he will be picked as I have seen every pick from one to 15(with Texan passing)
4. There seems to be mixed opinion as to evaluation of Sharper (average year in 2004 to "best player". I will bow to the management's final decision as they see every play, game or practice.
5.Players in all sports seem to say "It is a business.." when they are traded or asked to lower salary expectations. Few say it when they are asking for more $.
 
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