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Dead Thread? Ok maybe now you can go back and answer the things you never did.
Brandon420tx said:
I've never read that Martz expects Bradford to be the starter going into the season, Link Please?

Also, what was the time frame from when Bradford got cut, to him signing with the Lions?

Since you seem so educated in this prospect I thought you could fill us in a little with the facts.
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and from another thread http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=23827&page=3


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Originally Posted by Bobo
WHAT? How can you compare Capers during his first year with a team from scratch and Kubiak with a team that has AJ, Carr, Davis, D-Rob and an entire infrastructure in place, as well as four years of experience under the team's belt? No comparison. No comparison at all!

My reply:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon420tx
Capers went out and found Sharper and Glenn playing in the street did he? The only thing that proves is that Kubiak is getting 2 more first round "Stars" than Capers did, DD was an unknown when he emerged, I don't credit that as a Capers creation./quote


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobo
Ever hear of comparing apples with apples?

My reply:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon420tx
So comparing a DC brought in to be a HC of an expansion team (Apples) and bringing in an OC brought in to be a HC of a team that went 2-14 (Oranges) is bad? Thats what you've been doing a lot lately, and so have many other people, including me. /quote

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobo
Stats don't lie

my reply


Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon420tx
Edit: Using the stats you gave me, he averaged 6.33 catches a game, 58.66 yards a game, and .33 touchdowns a game, as our #1 receiver.

You can take stats and manipulate them the way you want them to look./quote

Your right Bobs stats don't lie /quote

Just curious, because I wanted to continue the discussion on these topics but the conversation veered off.
 
michaelm said:
Oh, but BOBO, his suspension was in the past...
But if that past is recent enough for you, then you cannot argue with me citing the stats that Moulds had in the three games AFTER his suspension...

3 game total;

27 catches for 305yds...
Those are the three most recent games the old man played in... sure he didn't catch a TD, but then again he wasn't catching passes from David Carr (I know you won't take issue on the Carr thing because I know that you support him... the ONLY thing I think you and I agree on).
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bradfords total for last season was only 34 catches 46 yards
 
michaelm said:
Oh, but BOBO, his suspension was in the past...
But if that past is recent enough for you, then you cannot argue with me citing the stats that Moulds had in the three games AFTER his suspension...

3 game total;

27 catches for 305yds...
Those are the three most recent games the old man played in... sure he didn't catch a TD, but then again he wasn't catching passes from David Carr (I know you won't take issue on the Carr thing because I know that you support him... the ONLY thing I think you and I agree on).


Don't tell me you won't take 101yd per game average from our #2 WR...
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Um, do you even KNOW when Moulds's suspension was? It occurred in December -- near the end of last season. Well, I guess you can say that it was in the past. And everything that Terrell Owens did is in the past as well. Heck, if you're going to get a quitter, at least the Texans should have gotten the better, younger quitter.
 
BOBO my good man, I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I truly believe you choose many of your positions based on their opposition to what the general consensus is on a given subject. I believe that you just enjoy arguing.
I even went so far as to say that you were rather good at it. Unfortunately, your stance on this subject is ridiculous, and has completely destroyed the validity of any of your future arguments.
You don't even realize how backed into a corner and desperate you are looking.
It is too late to save it all, but you might manage to salvage a scrap of dignity if you just bow out quietly...
 
michaelm said:
BOBO my good man, I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I truly believe you choose many of your positions based on their opposition to what the general consensus is on a given subject. I believe that you just enjoy arguing.
I even went so far as to say that you were rather good at it. Unfortunately, your stance on this subject is ridiculous, and has completely destroyed the validity of any of your future arguments.
You don't even realize how backed into a corner and desperate you are looking.
It is too late to save it all, but you might manage to salvage a scrap of dignity if you just bow out quietly...
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Believe what you want. Failure to respond to my post and especially the Moulds character flaws duly noted. :bananasplit:
 
Bobo said:
Um, do you even KNOW when Moulds's suspension was? It occurred in December -- near the end of last season. Well, I guess you can say that it was in the past. And everything that Terrell Owens did is in the past as well. Heck, if you're going to get a quitter, at least the Texans should have gotten the better, younger quitter.
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yes, yes... it was December 11, 2005 against New England. What's your point? He played in three games after that and had 305 total yards in those games.
Are you drunk or something?
 
:bananasplit:
Bobo said:
Believe what you want. Failure to respond to my post and especially the Moulds character flaws duly noted. :bananasplit:
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Here is my take on the character issue.
The man was suspended once for conduct issues in ten years in the leauge. Is it a concern? Maybe a little, but not much.
On one side of the scales sits a stellar career, pro bowl appearences, great stats, a reputation as a hard worker and physical marvel (especially for his age),
and on the other side of the scales sits a one game suspension...

The man is human... he made a mistake, maybe... maybe not, I don't think we really know, but if he did I can get past it.

:bananasplit: back at ya...
 
michaelm said:
:bananasplit:

Here is my take on the character issue.
The man was suspended once for conduct issues in ten years in the leauge. Is it a concern? Maybe a little, but not much.
On one side of the scales sits a stellar career, pro bowl appearences, great stats, a reputation as a hard worker and physical marvel (especially for his age),
and on the other side of the scales sits a one game suspension...

The man is human... he made a mistake, maybe... maybe not, I don't think we really know, but if he did I can get past it.

:bananasplit: back at ya...
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Once is more than enough. I think you are really stretching it to defend the Moulds issue. He has character flaws and that suspension tells a heckuva lot about the weaknesses of Moulds as an individual as well as a team player. And, hey! If you like Moulds -- then you'll love Terrell Owens! But again, let's be consistent here. You are willing to forgive a proven quitter who was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team because he walked out in a huff off the field due to not achieving a personal goal, yet many on this board say that it was OK to cut Wells because he complained about PT. That is inconsistent. There's a whole lot of inconsistencies when folks defend an obviously faulty regime no matter what they do. Reminds me of Nixon in the mid 70s.
 
michaelm said:
yes, yes... it was December 11, 2005 against New England. What's your point? He played in three games after that and had 305 total yards in those games.
Are you drunk or something?
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Umm, inebriated folks are the ones who like to forget the facts and ignore the problem issues. I don't think it's me who fits into this category.
 
where do you get your facts?

unless I missed something, I don't recall anyone saying Wells was released just because it was over PT ... it was other reasons.

and if Kubiak released him, why would Wells gripe about PT before training camp started? I would think he would "prove" himself to the new coaching staff on the field
 
Bobo said:
Once is more than enough. I think you are really stretching it to defend the Moulds issue. He has character flaws and that suspension tells a heckuva lot about the weaknesses of Moulds as an individual as well as a team player. And, hey! If you like Moulds -- then you'll love Terrell Owens! But again, let's be consistent here. You are willing to forgive a proven quitter who was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team because he walked out in a huff off the field due to not achieving a personal goal, yet many on this board say that it was OK to cut Wells because he complained about PT. That is inconsistent. There's a whole lot of inconsistencies when folks defend an obviously faulty regime no matter what they do. Reminds me of Nixon in the mid 70s.
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Don't lump me in with anyone who's posted about Wells. I don't believe I have ever posted on him at all, and definitely not on him being allowed to walk.
I like Wells, and have nothing bad to say about him, but he was never anything special enough for me to post about.
The Moulds/Owens comparison is way off IMO. Owens is a completely self absorbed primadonna, with a LOOOOONG history of being a complete cancer.
Moulds had a single incident that IMO is not too much of an issue. And you have yet to provide links to back your 'walking off the field in a huff' statement.
 
Bobo, I think you are stretching it to defend Bradford. Unless for injuries, Bradford will not be the number one reciever on that team.
 
BigTimeTexanFan said:
Bobo, I think you are stretching it to defend Bradford. Unless for injuries, Bradford will not be the number one reciever on that team.
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I never said he'd be the #1 WR. I've always said he is currently the #2 and a starter. And guess what? I didn't say it. Martz did.
 
Bobo said:
I never said he'd be the #1 WR. I've always said he is currently the #2 and a starter. And guess what? I didn't say it. Martz did.
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I was reading about that.. but you could read something in Martz' latest article about the WR, suprising to me, that Williams,Williams,and Rogers are mentioned and then the other WR that is mentioned is Drummond.. I was suprised that Bradford wasn't mentioned.. I didn't know this but Kippy Brown is their WR coach

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=445216
 
michaelm said:
Don't lump me in with anyone who's posted about Wells. I don't believe I have ever posted on him at all, and definitely not on him being allowed to walk.
I like Wells, and have nothing bad to say about him, but he was never anything special enough for me to post about.
The Moulds/Owens comparison is way off IMO. Owens is a completely self absorbed primadonna, with a LOOOOONG history of being a complete cancer.
Moulds had a single incident that IMO is not too much of an issue. And you have yet to provide links to back your 'walking off the field in a huff' statement.
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Moulds is a quitter and marched off that field because he didn't get his personal goal. He was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. For you to say that a comparison between Moulds and Owens is unwarranted seems to be just another example of swallowing that Kubiak Kool-Aid in a weak attempt to defend everything a first-year, inexperienced head coach does. The Moulds issue is very similar to Owens in that it is based on selfishness rather than the team. Oh, the "walked off the field in a huff" are my words. But that's exactly what he did and that's exactly why he was suspended. After all, he certainly was NOT suspended because the coach ordered him back onto the field when he was hurt. That's nothing but publicist garbage reminiscent of Terrell Owens and his agent. To believe that, you'd have to believe that every coach on that team as well as the owner were in cahoots and agreed that he should play despite an injury. And I also find it amusing that the supposed "injury" wasn't bad enough to keep him off the field after the one-week suspension was over.
 
Bobo said:
Moulds is a quitter and marched off that field because he didn't get his personal goal. He was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. For you to say that a comparison between Moulds and Owens is unwarranted seems to be just another example of swallowing that Kubiak Kool-Aid in a weak attempt to defend everything a first-year, inexperienced head coach does. The Moulds issue is very similar to Owens in that it is based on selfishness rather than the team. Oh, the "walked off the field in a huff" are my words. But that's exactly what he did and that's exactly why he was suspended. After all, he certainly was NOT suspended because the coach ordered him back onto the field when he was hurt. That's nothing but publicist garbage reminiscent of Terrell Owens and his agent. To believe that, you'd have to believe that every coach on that team as well as the owner were in cahoots and agreed that he should play despite an injury. And I also find it amusing that the supposed "injury" wasn't bad enough to keep him off the field after the one-week suspension was over.
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The way I believe it, Moulds was about to go get his leg checked out and the WR coach asked him to get on the field not knowing about it, and Moulds lost his cool *Maybe, this is speculation*
 
Wolf said:
I was reading about that.. but you could read something in Martz' latest article about the WR, suprising to me, that Williams,Williams,and Rogers are mentioned and then the other WR that is mentioned is Drummond.. I was suprised that Bradford wasn't mentioned.. I didn't know this but Kippy Brown is their WR coach

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=445216
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Seeing that the story is about Charles Rogers, Roy Williams and Mike Williams, I don't see any reason to wonder why Bradford wasn't mentioned. After all, the story wasn't about him.
 
Bobo said:
Moulds is a quitter and marched off that field because he didn't get his personal goal. He was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. For you to say that a comparison between Moulds and Owens is unwarranted seems to be just another example of swallowing that Kubiak Kool-Aid in a weak attempt to defend everything a first-year, inexperienced head coach does. The Moulds issue is very similar to Owens in that it is based on selfishness rather than the team. Oh, the "walked off the field in a huff" are my words. But that's exactly what he did and that's exactly why he was suspended. After all, he certainly was NOT suspended because the coach ordered him back onto the field when he was hurt. That's nothing but publicist garbage reminiscent of Terrell Owens and his agent. To believe that, you'd have to believe that every coach on that team as well as the owner were in cahoots and agreed that he should play despite an injury. And I also find it amusing that the supposed "injury" wasn't bad enough to keep him off the field after the one-week suspension was over.
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this is what i got out of it so far sifting through the bits and pieces

Hello again my faithful followers, it is the master, Roscoe, here again to give the best sports information in the free world. The Buffalo Bills sunk to new depths this past weekend, but rock bottom is still coming. Three weeks still remain for Buffalo to prove just how bad they really are. The players appear to be quitting on the coach, but in reality it was the coach who first quit on the players.

Mularkey was laughing and giggling like a little schoolgirl, when the Bills scored three first quarter touchdowns against Miami. Later when he called for a pass on first and goal from the three-yard line, which resulted in an interception, Eric Moulds had enough. Basically Mularkey quit coaching the game…he was trying to get JP another passing touchdown, he was trying to get some more giggles and smiles to show just how smart he is. He wanted to laugh it up on the sidelines, but instead lost the game.

He quit coaching. Bottom line is the team knew that was stupid, and Moulds as the teams elder statesman, had to send a message. Basically, if the coach didn’t care about what was going on why should he? Mularkey actually quit on the team, now the team is going to quit on him
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he got into an argument with the coaching staff on the sideline they didn't play him again.

http://buffalobeast.com/90/wideright90.htm
 
Bobo said:
Seeing that the story is about Charles Rogers, Roy Williams and Mike Williams, I don't see any reason to wonder why Bradford wasn't mentioned. After all, the story wasn't about him.
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did you hit the link? it was about the lions and their WR's
 
Brandon420tx said:
The way I believe it, Moulds was about to go get his leg checked out and the WR coach asked him to get on the field not knowing about it, and Moulds lost his cool *Maybe, this is speculation*
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The way you believe it is just the way Moulds would like you to believe it and how Johnson and his publicist would like you to believe it. But for you to believe this, you'd have to believe that Tolbert and Mularkey didn't care at all that Moulds was "injured" and that owner Ralph Wilson was just as much of an ogre as they were. In other words, you'd have to believe in a huge conspiracy theory.
 
Bobo said:
The way you believe it is just the way Moulds would like you to believe it and how Johnson and his publicist would like you to believe it. But for you to believe this, you'd have to believe that Tolbert and Mularkey didn't care at all that Moulds was "injured" and that owner Ralph Wilson was just as much of an ogre as they were. In other words, you'd have to believe in a huge conspiracy theory.
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No, I believe they didn't know about it, when the altercation happened.
 
Brandon420tx said:
No, I believe they didn't know about it, when the altercation happened.
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Um, do you really think these folks would suspend him once they knew the whole story? Suspending someone is a very drastic step and you can bet they got the full story from all involved. To believe what you believe, as I said, would mean you would have to believe that the head coach, the receivers coach and the owner were all mistaken and that only Moulds was right. In other words, a conspiracy theory.
 
UHHH!! i skipped away after the second page of Bobo's tripe so forgive me if this has been posted.....

to sum up what ive read.....

jonathan wells is a future superstar rb that doesnt need to pass block because jim brown didnt have to

spring chicken corey bradford has moved ahead of certain future hall of famers mike williams and charles rogers on the lions depth chart and now we will have to watch painfully as he racks up 2000 yards receiving for them when we're stuck with old eric moulds and his zimmerframe as our #2 thereby making us the laughing stock of the league

dave ragone was picked up quickly by the bengals and therefore will be a very good qb because every player, in the history of the league, who has been picked up quickly have been good players......


Well done bobo you truly are a footballing genius/guru...i hear there's an open GM position down around your area....you should apply, the texans need more people like you, with real football knowledge...especially with gary kubiak and them other green coaches running things down there...i, for one, would sleep much easier with you making the personnel decisions for us
 
Maddict5 said:
UHHH!! i skipped away after the second page of Bobo's tripe so forgive me if this has been posted.....

to sum up what ive read.....

jonathan wells is a future superstar rb that doesnt need to pass block because jim brown didnt have to

spring chicken corey bradford has moved ahead of certain future hall of famers mike williams and charles rogers on the lions depth chart and now we will have to watch painfully as he racks up 2000 yards receiving for them when we're stuck with old eric moulds and his zimmerframe as our #2 thereby making us the laughing stock of the league

dave ragone was picked up quickly by the bengals and therefore will be a very good qb because every player, in the history of the league, who has been picked up quickly have been good players......


Well done bobo you truly are a footballing genius/guru...i hear there's an open GM position down around your area....you should apply, the texans need more people like you, with real football knowledge...especially with gary kubiak and them other green coaches running things down there...i, for one, would sleep much easier with you making the personnel decisions for us
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This is just more typical obfuscation by someone who has obviously taken too big a sip of Kubiak Kool-Aid. Sorry, didn't work.
 
well if thats what you think thats ok..its tastes better than the capers kool-aid i can tell you...i know i should stop replying to your weak posts like most respectable members in here, but what can i say you're a guilty pleasure
 
michaelm said:
1) Bradford starting over two first rounders? Sure two first rounders who haven't done squat, even in comparison to Corey Bradford? Plus, IMO he won't be the starter long, if he even is at all.
p.s. Sherman had Bradford in GB... I think he's got the edge in the 411 dept.

2) Moulds has seen his #s decrease more due to poor QB play than any other factor IMO and I believe he will prove his worth for 2-4 seasons. Matt Maloney? Please, Maloney never had the production that Moulds has had... bad comparison I think.

3) From what I understand, Ragonne just isn't as mobile as Kubiak wants for his system. I think you can judge that facet of a players game by watching film.

4) Sadly, time may vindicate you on this one despite your previously poor arguments. I won't try and predict the future on this one. I think he has done well, but only time will tell.

5) Maybe you're right that people are putting too much trust in Kubiak, but it's not as if we have a choice. It is what it is. Besides, there's nothing wrong with a little hope is there?

BTW, your Kool Aid recipe for disater comment was so sweet you could write for the Chronicle... sorry, but that's no compliment.
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Nice reply...beat me to the punch. I'd add...

4/5. I don't want a head coach leading my team that hims/haws...he did his homework prior to interviewing as a candidate and began executing his plans shortly there after. Maybe I'm a homer, but like mich said above we should show the new guy support.

As far as Maloney and Kool Aid; I gave up on those long ago. : )
 
Bobo said:
Moulds is a quitter and marched off that field because he didn't get his personal goal. He was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. For you to say that a comparison between Moulds and Owens is unwarranted seems to be just another example of swallowing that Kubiak Kool-Aid in a weak attempt to defend everything a first-year, inexperienced head coach does. The Moulds issue is very similar to Owens in that it is based on selfishness rather than the team. Oh, the "walked off the field in a huff" are my words. But that's exactly what he did and that's exactly why he was suspended. After all, he certainly was NOT suspended because the coach ordered him back onto the field when he was hurt. That's nothing but publicist garbage reminiscent of Terrell Owens and his agent. To believe that, you'd have to believe that every coach on that team as well as the owner were in cahoots and agreed that he should play despite an injury. And I also find it amusing that the supposed "injury" wasn't bad enough to keep him off the field after the one-week suspension was over.
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This is all speculation. There are no facts here.::brickwall
 
Bobo said:
Moulds is a quitter and marched off that field because he didn't get his personal goal. He was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. For you to say that a comparison between Moulds and Owens is unwarranted seems to be just another example of swallowing that Kubiak Kool-Aid in a weak attempt to defend everything a first-year, inexperienced head coach does. The Moulds issue is very similar to Owens in that it is based on selfishness rather than the team. Oh, the "walked off the field in a huff" are my words. But that's exactly what he did and that's exactly why he was suspended. After all, he certainly was NOT suspended because the coach ordered him back onto the field when he was hurt. That's nothing but publicist garbage reminiscent of Terrell Owens and his agent. To believe that, you'd have to believe that every coach on that team as well as the owner were in cahoots and agreed that he should play despite an injury. And I also find it amusing that the supposed "injury" wasn't bad enough to keep him off the field after the one-week suspension was over.
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Man, you are seriously turning into a one note joke. I know you have your opinion on Moulds, but I believe you have yet to produce a link to verify your version of what you say happened. Others have provided links that tell a different story but on you go like a broken record with no evidence to support your story.
p.s. I think it is a good time to stop over using the Kool Aid reference... it too, is tedious.
 
Bobo said:
The way you believe it is just the way Moulds would like you to believe it and how Johnson and his publicist would like you to believe it. But for you to believe this, you'd have to believe that Tolbert and Mularkey didn't care at all that Moulds was "injured" and that owner Ralph Wilson was just as much of an ogre as they were. In other words, you'd have to believe in a huge conspiracy theory.
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Ralph Wilson believes that Bob McNair wants the big markets to succeed and poor Buffalo to fail. Of course, McNair doesn't need to worry with that because Buffalo has been failing for years. Ralph Wilson IS a conspiracy theorist.
 
Maddict5 said:
UHHH!! i skipped away after the second page of Bobo's tripe so forgive me if this has been posted.....

to sum up what ive read.....

jonathan wells is a future superstar rb that doesnt need to pass block because jim brown didnt have to

spring chicken corey bradford has moved ahead of certain future hall of famers mike williams and charles rogers on the lions depth chart and now we will have to watch painfully as he racks up 2000 yards receiving for them when we're stuck with old eric moulds and his zimmerframe as our #2 thereby making us the laughing stock of the league

dave ragone was picked up quickly by the bengals and therefore will be a very good qb because every player, in the history of the league, who has been picked up quickly have been good players......


Well done bobo you truly are a footballing genius/guru...i hear there's an open GM position down around your area....you should apply, the texans need more people like you, with real football knowledge...especially with gary kubiak and them other green coaches running things down there...i, for one, would sleep much easier with you making the personnel decisions for us
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very excellent summary
 
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