thetexanator
Veteran
whys sumlin even considering this? seems like tamu is on par with usc. anyone know what tamu pays sumlin? didnt he just build a huge house?
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IS USC Better Than TAMU?
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Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
His original contract at TAMU was for around $2 million/ year. Then he received an extension paying him a hair over $ 3 million a year until around 2017 plus bonuses.... IIRC.
Not to worry. He won't be going anywhere until the pros come a callin'!
Not to worry. He won't be going anywhere until the pros come a callin'!
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Ranger Tom
All Pro
USC is still under sanctions, and I understand that they were a contributing factor to the results that Lane Kiffen got (or maybe he's really that bad). So that's a reason for Sumlin to stay where he is.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Is it now? Probably not. Is it a better opportunity? Long term I think so unless the Johhny Football craze leads to a ground swell of recruiting. At a min I would see if A&M would up my money if USC is really poking around
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
USC is definitely a better opportunity and a better program than TAMU. As Rey said, recruiting would a lot easier. When USC is good, they routinely get their pick of some of the best players in the nation.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
The Pac-12 is a way easier conference to negotiate a NC shot than the SEC. Leaving so soon after what feels like just arriving at TAMU would definitely leave a bad aftertaste in a lot of people's mouths (heh). I think right now Sumlin has just as good of a shot at any offensive player in the country as any other coach. Defense maybe not as much, but he's got his team up there in rankings and exposure for the moment, so I don't see recruiting being a big angle to getting him there.
The easiness of the Pac-10 plus a significant pay bump would probably be the biggest factors if Sumlin were to leave.
The easiness of the Pac-10 plus a significant pay bump would probably be the biggest factors if Sumlin were to leave.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Lol, no way is recruiting an answer. Texas A&M is killing it in recruiting, if you haven't looked lately. He built a house here and A&M can probably match him for money. He might milk this for a bigger contract, I guess.
As bong said, the easiness of the Pac-12 is a possible attracting factor.
As bong said, the easiness of the Pac-12 is a possible attracting factor.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Just for the record, I couldn't disagree with this more. If you're only comparing Pac 12 to SEC, then there is some truth to it (although probably not nearly as much as you seem to think). If you're comparing it to Division I in general, I believe the Pac 12 is rapidly improving and could easily be the second best conference in the NCAA. Oregon's got a track record, and while there's been a coaching change, right now things seem to be going better for their current coach than their former coach. Stanford's been a consistent top 10 team under David Shaw, and you've got UCLA, Washington, and even Arizona State who appear to be very much on the rise.
If ease of conference were the only factor in Sumlin's decision, TAMU loses out to USC big time.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Of course it's a comparison between the PAC and the SEC, since those would be the only two conferences being discussed in a potential Sumlin move. And while Oregon looks pretty good and Stanford has a really good defense, that's a far cry from 'Bama/Georgia/LSU/UF (when they are good). Hell, even Ole Miss has a pretty stout team, which you don't see every year.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Food for thought, Since USC's last National Championship:
2005 Texas Big XII
2006 Florida SEC
2007 LSU SEC
2008 Florida SEC
2009 Alabama SEC
2010 Auburn SEC
2011 Alabama SEC
2012 Alabama SEC
2005 Texas Big XII
2006 Florida SEC
2007 LSU SEC
2008 Florida SEC
2009 Alabama SEC
2010 Auburn SEC
2011 Alabama SEC
2012 Alabama SEC
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
I would think next year post johnny football there will be a dropoff for A&M that is sizable
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I'll enjoy it immensely if Sumlin does decide to bail out of College Station and head for the west coast. I'll be grinning ear to ear over it actually.
I mean, how can you hold it against the man? Coaching at USC is an opportunity to coach at a school that's in rare company. A&M has never and will never be in that tier.
I mean, how can you hold it against the man? Coaching at USC is an opportunity to coach at a school that's in rare company. A&M has never and will never be in that tier.
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htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Depends. We do have Kyle Allen (Rivals #1 ranked QB) coming in.
The WR corps will be even better (return of Ricky Seals Jones from medical redshirt) and the defense will have had a year to mature (plus I think we have found our ILB answer in Claiborne). There's going to be a QB dropoff for sure, but how much is the question. As long as we go 1-0 every week it's all good.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
This.
With Summlin, T&M will be the Leach-era Texas Tech of the SEC at best. A great team, but never really at the top of the conference.
Once Manziel bails...
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Also, I think Matt Joeckel is a junior and there is true freshman Kenny Hill.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Yep. Joeckel has looked miles better than Kenny Hill at this point, but I think that's only to be expected.
All the people saying that Texas A&M will never ever break into elite tier football programs boggle my mind. It's like being elite is something that doesn't change. Do "elite" football programs that go through periods of crap stay "elite?" I'm not saying A&M will become elite, I'm saying A&M can become elite. Elite is not some never-changing old guard of schools.
Sounds like a huge homer.
If sunlin did leave this guy would be at the front of the bash bus. Probably call him a coward and say he was carried by manziel.
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
College Station or LA area? Easy pick for me, and it's not going to be the land of cows and farms.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
This is hilarious that this is even a question. Of course USC is a much better head coaching job than ATM.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Johnny footballs dont grow on trees so the odds are A&M will have a very noticable drop off. A&M would have to make huge strides in D to offset a drop of Johnny just to stay on par imo
Hervoyel
BUENO!
That's amusing. "Those folks are dumb and can step off". Wanted to stop reading right there. The "You disagree with me so you're dumb" point is pretty stupid in and of itself. That's just the author giving his Aggie readers a little positive reinforcement to offset their life-long inferiority complex received at the hands of decades of subservience to UT.
USC is in a class of programs that A&M will never enter. Oklahoma, UT, USC, Notre Dame, Alabama..... A&M isn't one of those teams. It's the team that those teams climb over along the way (sometimes with difficulty, A&M is a very good program.... no shame in that) to get to the National Championships they earn decade after decade.
A&M has to claim imaginary titles from the distant past to make itself feel good about even bumping shoulders with those schools. Being the head football coach at USC is a big thing whether the local Aggie fans want to admit it or not. Being the head football coach at Texas A&M isn't as a big a thing at all. It just isn't.
You get someone great to stay around for a couple of decades and win a few national championships and you'll be getting there. Hell, being the head football coach at A&M doesn't even hold a candle to being the head football coach at LSU. How could it ever compare to being the head football coach at USC?
USC is in a class of programs that A&M will never enter. Oklahoma, UT, USC, Notre Dame, Alabama..... A&M isn't one of those teams. It's the team that those teams climb over along the way (sometimes with difficulty, A&M is a very good program.... no shame in that) to get to the National Championships they earn decade after decade.
A&M has to claim imaginary titles from the distant past to make itself feel good about even bumping shoulders with those schools. Being the head football coach at USC is a big thing whether the local Aggie fans want to admit it or not. Being the head football coach at Texas A&M isn't as a big a thing at all. It just isn't.
You get someone great to stay around for a couple of decades and win a few national championships and you'll be getting there. Hell, being the head football coach at A&M doesn't even hold a candle to being the head football coach at LSU. How could it ever compare to being the head football coach at USC?
Stemp
Brew Master
So much buthurt and/or ignorance of the current state of affairs. A&M isn't an "elite" school but it's certainly top 10-15. ANd just because a school had success in the past doesn't mean they will continue to.
Which of those schools you mentioned are currently "elite"?
Oklahoma - recruiting is dying a slow death. Their heyday is when they were cherry picking the top talent in Texas. They've been steadily declining the past 5 years and just last year, as co-champs, got destroyed by A&M. They are not fighting for recruits against Baylor and TCU.
UT - One NC during the Mack Brown era. One. UT is mainly considered "elite" because of MONEY. They can and will likely have to money whip a coach to bring them in, especially with all the turmoil and quick turnaround the fans and boosters will expect and demand.
Notre Dame - had one great year (2012) and two good years since Lou Holtz left in 1996. Been through 4 head coaches during that time as well. Brian Kelly wasn't their first choice either.
USC - Had a great run under Pete Carroll but even that was marred by cheating and other scandals. Is currently under sanctions and the roster and recruiting is frankly a dumpster fire. Will take a lot of cash to bring in a big name head coach to try to turn around the mess. Not really a "destination job" currently, though it could be with the right coach.
Alabama - Yes, this is a legit "elite" school right now.
A&M is a hot team right now and broke fundraising records this past fiscal year. Plus, with the additional cash expected to come from the SEC Network starting in 2014, you can expect A&M to be able to match any offer short of a Texas or Ohio State.
And, like I've said, people close to Sumlin have said that he and his family loves A&M and College Station and the lifestyle there and he wants to stay awhile and build the program. He has tons of in-roads and contacts in HS in Texas and LA. And he's the best college coach for the best team in Texas playing in the best conference in the country. He may leave eventually and his agent will probably use USC to get another raise for him (deservedly). But USC isn't currently a better job for him and I'm betting he won't leave.
So much buthurt and/or ignorance of the current state of affairs. A&M isn't an "elite" school but it's certainly top 10-15. ANd just because a school had success in the past doesn't mean they will continue to.
Which of those schools you mentioned are currently "elite"?
Oklahoma - recruiting is dying a slow death. Their heyday is when they were cherry picking the top talent in Texas. They've been steadily declining the past 5 years and just last year, as co-champs, got destroyed by A&M. They are not fighting for recruits against Baylor and TCU.
UT - One NC during the Mack Brown era. One. UT is mainly considered "elite" because of MONEY. They can and will likely have to money whip a coach to bring them in, especially with all the turmoil and quick turnaround the fans and boosters will expect and demand.
Notre Dame - had one great year (2012) and two good years since Lou Holtz left in 1996. Been through 4 head coaches during that time as well. Brian Kelly wasn't their first choice either.
USC - Had a great run under Pete Carroll but even that was marred by cheating and other scandals. Is currently under sanctions and the roster and recruiting is frankly a dumpster fire. Will take a lot of cash to bring in a big name head coach to try to turn around the mess. Not really a "destination job" currently, though it could be with the right coach.
Alabama - Yes, this is a legit "elite" school right now.
A&M is a hot team right now and broke fundraising records this past fiscal year. Plus, with the additional cash expected to come from the SEC Network starting in 2014, you can expect A&M to be able to match any offer short of a Texas or Ohio State.
And, like I've said, people close to Sumlin have said that he and his family loves A&M and College Station and the lifestyle there and he wants to stay awhile and build the program. He has tons of in-roads and contacts in HS in Texas and LA. And he's the best college coach for the best team in Texas playing in the best conference in the country. He may leave eventually and his agent will probably use USC to get another raise for him (deservedly). But USC isn't currently a better job for him and I'm betting he won't leave.
Homer, LOL
I agree with you.
I dont understand why Sumlin is getting all of this love. Has he ever won a confrence championship, even though when he walked on to campus 2 of the best college QB's (Keenum/Manziel) were there courtesy of being recruited by Briles/Sherman.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
So much buthurt and/or ignorance of the current state of affairs. A&M isn't an "elite" school but it's certainly top 10-15. ANd just because a school had success in the past doesn't mean they will continue to.
Which of those schools you mentioned are currently "elite"?
Oklahoma - recruiting is dying a slow death. Their heyday is when they were cherry picking the top talent in Texas. They've been steadily declining the past 5 years and just last year, as co-champs, got destroyed by A&M. They are not fighting for recruits against Baylor and TCU.
UT - One NC during the Mack Brown era. One. UT is mainly considered "elite" because of MONEY. They can and will likely have to money whip a coach to bring them in, especially with all the turmoil and quick turnaround the fans and boosters will expect and demand.
Notre Dame - had one great year (2012) and two good years since Lou Holtz left in 1996. Been through 4 head coaches during that time as well. Brian Kelly wasn't their first choice either.
USC - Had a great run under Pete Carroll but even that was marred by cheating and other scandals. Is currently under sanctions and the roster and recruiting is frankly a dumpster fire. Will take a lot of cash to bring in a big name head coach to try to turn around the mess. Not really a "destination job" currently, though it could be with the right coach.
Alabama - Yes, this is a legit "elite" school right now.
A&M is a hot team right now and broke fundraising records this past fiscal year. Plus, with the additional cash expected to come from the SEC Network starting in 2014, you can expect A&M to be able to match any offer short of a Texas or Ohio State.
And, like I've said, people close to Sumlin have said that he and his family loves A&M and College Station and the lifestyle there and he wants to stay awhile and build the program. He has tons of in-roads and contacts in HS in Texas and LA. And he's the best college coach for the best team in Texas playing in the best conference in the country. He may leave eventually and his agent will probably use USC to get another raise for him (deservedly). But USC isn't currently a better job for him and I'm betting he won't leave.
Auburn sure looked elite when it had Cam Newton. How 'bout now?
USC, UT, Alabama, Ohio State... they all have multi-generational, nationwide fanbases. Even when they suck, they draw ratings and some unfairly high BCS rankings.
No one outside of Texas gave a crap about A&M until Johnny Football showed up. Do you honestly think national audiences and media will care about A&M after he leaves?
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
Little more food, Since A&M's last title:
2012 Alabama BCS
2011 Alabama BCS
2010 Auburn BCS
2009 Alabama BCS
2008 Florida BCS
2007 Louisiana State BCS
2006 Florida BCS
2005 Texas BCS
2004 Southern California BCS
2003 Louisiana State, Southern California BCS, AP, FWAA
2002 Ohio State BCS
2001 Miami (Fla.) BCS
2000 Oklahoma BCS
1999 Florida State BCS
1998 Tennessee BCS
1997 Michigan, Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN
1996 Florida AP, FWAA, NFF,USA/CNN
1995 Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1994 Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1993 Florida St. AP, FWAA,NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1992 Alabama AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1991 Washington, Miami (Fla.) FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI,AP
1990 Colorado, Georgia Tech FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, AP, UPI
1989 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1988 Notre Dame AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1987 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1986 Penn St. AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1983 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1982 Penn St. AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1981 Clemson AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1980 Georgia AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1979 Alabama AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1978 Alabama, Southern California AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1977 Notre Dame AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1976 Pittsburgh AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1975 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1974 Southern California, Oklahoma FWAA, NFF, UPI, AP
1973 Notre Dame, Alabama AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1972 Southern California AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1971 Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1970 Nebraska, Texas, Ohio St. AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, NFF
1969 Texas AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1968 Ohio St. AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1967 Southern California AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1966 Notre Dame, Michigan St. AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, NFF
1965 Michigan St., Alabama FWAA, NFF, UPI, AP
1964 Alabama, Arkansas, Notre Dame AP, UPI, FWAA, NFF
1963 Texas AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1962 Southern California AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1961 Alabama, Ohio St. AP, NFF, UPI, FWAA
1960 Minnesota, Mississippi AP, NFF, UPI, FWAA
1959 Syracuse AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1958 LSU, Iowa AP, UPI, FWAA
1957 Ohio St., Auburn FWAA, UPI, AP
1956 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, UPI
1955 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, UPI
1954 UCLA, Ohio St. FWAA, UPI, AP
1953 Maryland AP, UPI
1952 Michigan St. AP, UPI
1951 Tennessee AP, UPI
1950 Oklahoma AP, UPI
1949 Notre Dame AP
1948 Michigan AP
1947 Notre Dame AP
1946 Notre Dame AP
1945 Army AP
1944 Army AP
1943 Notre Dame AP
1942 Ohio St. AP
1941 Minnesota AP
1940 Minnesota AP
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
So much buthurt and/or ignorance of the current state of affairs. A&M isn't an "elite" school but it's certainly top 10-15. ANd just because a school had success in the past doesn't mean they will continue to.
Which of those schools you mentioned are currently "elite"?
Oklahoma - recruiting is dying a slow death. Their heyday is when they were cherry picking the top talent in Texas. They've been steadily declining the past 5 years and just last year, as co-champs, got destroyed by A&M. They are not fighting for recruits against Baylor and TCU.
UT - One NC during the Mack Brown era. One. UT is mainly considered "elite" because of MONEY. They can and will likely have to money whip a coach to bring them in, especially with all the turmoil and quick turnaround the fans and boosters will expect and demand.
Notre Dame - had one great year (2012) and two good years since Lou Holtz left in 1996. Been through 4 head coaches during that time as well. Brian Kelly wasn't their first choice either.
USC - Had a great run under Pete Carroll but even that was marred by cheating and other scandals. Is currently under sanctions and the roster and recruiting is frankly a dumpster fire. Will take a lot of cash to bring in a big name head coach to try to turn around the mess. Not really a "destination job" currently, though it could be with the right coach.
Alabama - Yes, this is a legit "elite" school right now.
A&M is a hot team right now and broke fundraising records this past fiscal year. Plus, with the additional cash expected to come from the SEC Network starting in 2014, you can expect A&M to be able to match any offer short of a Texas or Ohio State.
And, like I've said, people close to Sumlin have said that he and his family loves A&M and College Station and the lifestyle there and he wants to stay awhile and build the program. He has tons of in-roads and contacts in HS in Texas and LA. And he's the best college coach for the best team in Texas playing in the best conference in the country. He may leave eventually and his agent will probably use USC to get another raise for him (deservedly). But USC isn't currently a better job for him and I'm betting he won't leave.
I think you are greatly overvaluing your program. One or two good years doesn't put you in the top10-15
Stemp
Brew Master
Guess you weren't around in the late 80s and early 90s when no one gave a crap about Texas.
Alabama only recently rebuilt their national fanbase with Saban and it's national championships.
UT's fanbase is regional, even though they like the think otherwise. Case in point, difficulty getting the LHN on cable and satellite. When they finally got it on TWC, it was only within the state. There really was little to no demand outside of Texas and even that demand decreased as the football team struggled.
Ohio St, Nebraska, Notre Dame have national fanbases
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
So if a natty is the litmus test for being elite, A&M isn't elite, and USC hasn't been elite for almost a decade, and before then almost since the mid 70s.
Sumlin is in a better position here. I can buy the LA vs. College Station city argument, because that's viable (though he has kids and a wife, and apparently they love living in College Station). I can buy the money argument, though A&M will match and beat whatever USC throws their way. We're not a poor school. All people here can argue is by throwing out vague buzzwords like "elite" and "prestige" but when it comes to solid, tangible arguments they fall short.
Obvious homer alert. I get the feeling there's an awful lot of bitter UH fans projecting here.
Stemp
Brew Master
I think people are undervaluing A&M because it had some down years with 2 bad coaching hires. Plus, the value was raised greatly when it became the only SEC school in Texas.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
I'm not sure the drop-off will be that gigantic. Will A&M's offense put up monster numbers like before? Probably not. However, I think that Sumlin's system is getting less credit than it should here. No, the next guy will not nearly be as effective as Johnny Manziel but the D will make strides. This is a young defense and Snyder is moving pieces around to find the fit he wants. When it clicks it will be much better than the poor showings we have seen to date. This season is a baptism by fire for the young guys on the D.
Edit: At the end of the day, we all know that Sumlin is going to milk this for all its worth for a pay raise with Texas A&M, but he isn't leaving. The only ones who want him to are USC fans and UH fans who need A&M to taste what they got in order to feel better about themselves.
Stemp
Brew Master
And UT fans who are begging for A&M to fail.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Herv, it seems you, and others on here, are basing your opinions of A&M's football program from what you've seen in the past. And yes, that program could "never" be in the same class with the others that you mention. But, A&M (the university and the football program) has been growing and changing since the 60's probably more than any other university in the US. It's gone from an all male military school of about 5000 or so, to now being a major coed university with about 45,000 students. It's not the same old A&M.
The football program has been evolving along with the school. And, with the move in to the SEC, the new/expanded stadium (3rd largest in college football when complete), second to none training facilities, and money coming in now in record amounts (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/) A&M is now in the same class with the other schools you mentioned. Yes, they don't have all the Football NC's (1 legit NC in 1939) the others have, but they're coming. It's just a matter of time.
Is being the HC at USC a big thing? Yes. Is it bigger than being the HC at A&M? 5 to 10 years ago I would have said yes without question. Now, with everything that's happened over the last 2 years, I can't say that anymore. A&M has put itself in position to be a football power. If you can't see that then we can agree to disagree.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
Maybe some are undervaluing but that can happen at the same time you are overvaluing the program
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
That's all that can be said at this point, I fully agree. Too many factors to predict anything with any certainty. I'm excited for my school, though.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
And on the bright side, if Sumlin leaves and Chip Kelly tanks, we can always sign Kelly 
Hervoyel
BUENO!
See, now that's where your ignorance is showing. Even when they're down people give a crap about Texas and when that happens there's an enormous and focused will to bring them back.
When A&M is down no gives a crap about A&M. That must be where you're getting this idea that the same thing applies to the elite schools. It doesn't.
You actually think Alabama "only recently rebuilt their national fanbase with Saban"? That's laughable. Their national fanbase doesn't go away.
mr. peebs
gig 'em
some of these posts are laughable; so much misinformation and butthurt.
prestige-wise, USC is the better job. but if you take off the blinders and look what is actually going on beneath the surface, one can see that as it stands currently A&M is in a better position for success; playing in the best conference in college football, extensive facility upgrades that exceed even the "elite" programs, no ncaa sanctions to work under, and being the top draw for recruits in a football crazed state. come back in a few years and if A&M keeps winning, the prestige argument will be up for debate.
prestige-wise, USC is the better job. but if you take off the blinders and look what is actually going on beneath the surface, one can see that as it stands currently A&M is in a better position for success; playing in the best conference in college football, extensive facility upgrades that exceed even the "elite" programs, no ncaa sanctions to work under, and being the top draw for recruits in a football crazed state. come back in a few years and if A&M keeps winning, the prestige argument will be up for debate.
It'sw had down yrs since Jackie Sherrill left.
Manziel is the only reason the Ags are relevant.
Tell me when is the last time the ags won a NC? Finished in the top 5? I dont remember where they finished last yr, but the Manziel point still stands.
Sumlin will always be an upwardly mobile HC. Del Rio will get the USC HC job, so dont worry Aggie fans Sumlin will be at A&M next yr with a fat raise.
2 bits 4 bits 6 bits a dollar Rah Rah Rah go Ags
A century of football says otherwise.
Have you objectively looked at your defense? When has Sumlin ever had an avg defense?
Yep
Alabama fans from 6 to 90 are some of the most passionate fans I've ever seen. I went to watch the A&M/Alabama game at a bar & grill and there were a bunch of 50 plus Alabama women fans that were alot of fun. So were their daughters.
Very friendly knowledgeable football fans.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
SteelB, he's talking about right now, not a century of football before. Also, let's be real and talk about A&M after it transitioned from a military college to a more conventional university.
The defense has the quality in terms of recruits. Right now it is young. It will improve by next year. We've got young guys out there - Darrian Claiborne (who looks like the answer at ILB), Isaiah Golden, Devante Harris.
They have all the talent to make the jump to at least a decent defense, it's up to Snyder to use that talent. They play bad now, but talent + experience should result in improvement next year.
As far as the future is concerned:
Rivals has A&M's 2014 recruiting class (for now) ranked at 13, USC is at 63. It doesn't matter if it's Manziel or whatever - relevancy brings recruits, and recruits set up success for years to come.
While this is true in most cases there are some exceptions. Texas, under Brown, has, until this last recruiting class, had a top 10 or top 5 class, but he's done little with all that top talent (1 NC). Mack is a great recruiter but not so great coach. I think most of the team's problems stem from a lack of discipline, but that's just a guess. Basically, it takes the right coach with the top recruits to get good and stay good like Sabin at Alabama.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Nice job Dan and totally off the the point I was making which was SEC v. The PAC whatever
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
People only pay attention to TU because they get bullshyte calls at the goal line preventing lowly Iowa State from kicking their ass.