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Is Drafting a QB in the 1st round Even Worth It?

AcresHomesTexan

AcresHomesTexan

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ArlingtonTexan said:
I am not even sure that's the right thread name, but the fact long-term faces of franchises is a new fact in the QB discussion.

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No QBs drafted in first round from 2009-16 are set to be on original team in 2021

There were 22 quarterbacks drafted in the first round between the 2009 and 2016 seasons and all of them came with hopes that they'd lead their teams for years to come.
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I think most people know that many QBs are drafted in the first round out of fear another team will draft him, making a splash to appease fans, or for the luxury of the 5th year option more than actually being a top 32 prospect.

Many reasons that QBs are drafted in the 1st round.
 
Interesting article and trend. QBs are the one position that seems to have a growing clout to start acting like star NBA players. It's a dynamic that'll change the league.

If I was a GM, I'd build a great defense and great offensive line first. Both can make QBs and skill positions look a lot better. Then poach someone else's QB. lol
 
Double Barrel said:
If I was a GM, I'd build a great defense and great offensive line first. Both can make QBs and skill positions look a lot better. Then poach someone else's QB. lol
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The problem with that (as there's a problem with every method) is you can only keep such a team together for so long, especially considering the assistant & position coaches that make it all work.
 
Double Barrel said:
Interesting article and trend. QBs are the one position that seems to have a growing clout to start acting like star NBA players. It's a dynamic that'll change the league.

If I was a GM, I'd build a great defense and great offensive line first. Both can make QBs and skill positions look a lot better. Then poach someone else's QB. lol
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I've been saying this for yrs.

Do you think the Texans will change the way they've done business since their inception?
 
Double Barrel said:
Interesting article and trend. QBs are the one position that seems to have a growing clout to start acting like star NBA players. It's a dynamic that'll change the league.

If I was a GM, I'd build a great defense and great offensive line first. Both can make QBs and skill positions look a lot better. Then poach someone else's QB. lol
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A great QB can make a line and receivers look better. The entire game and rules are built around the QB. They play the most important position. Of course, they will have the most power.
 
Which is why it was a bad idea for the league to start instituting all these rules to protect these guys. They make the most money while playing, but get hit the least amongst all players. They are also the most likely to be able to make the most money when they leave the game as commentators, front office executives and endorsements.

Average/below average qbs have 10-12 year careers at a minimum. A guy like Chase Daniel and the McCown brothers have made 10’s of millions of Dollars over their careers riding the bench and haven’t played in a full seasons worth of snaps yet in their careers. We also saw how a bum like Sam Bradford raked in the millions and couldn’t even finish a season.

Average/below average players elsewhere on the team might be lucky to have 5 year careers.

shits totally unbalanced and if I were a non-qb player, I’d be tempted to start my own little faction within the NFLPA to balance things out.
 
Mr teX said:
shits totally unbalanced and if I were a non-qb player, I’d be tempted to start my own little faction within the NFLPA to balance things out.
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Non QBs are fungible, for the most part. You can have a stud LT like Joe Thomas, and never make the playoffs. The days of 3 yards and a cloud of dust are over. Call it the National Quarterback League if it makes you feel better about it.
 
Lucky said:
Non QBs are fungible, for the most part. You can have a stud LT like Joe Thomas, and never make the playoffs. The days of 3 yards and a cloud of dust are over. Call it the National Quarterback League if it makes you feel better about it.
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I get all that, but at least a little of the reasoning for why the other positions have been valued less over the years is b/c qb’s are protected so much.

Can’t imagine TB12 or Brees having 20+ year careers if they were actually allowed to be hit.
 
Mr teX said:
I get all that, but at least a little of the reasoning for why the other positions have been valued less over the years is b/c qb’s are protected so much.
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And Budweiser sells more beer because the QBs are on the field. In the end, it's an entertainment business. A sport, second.
 
Lucky said:
And Budweiser sells more beer because the QBs are on the field. In the end, it's an entertainment business. A sport, second.
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Thats not really an argument . they sold just as much when when the cowboys were grinding teams to a pulp by running Emmitt down the opposing teams’ throat and Troy Aikman was tossing 230 yards a game. The sport is so popular at this point, fans would like whatever product was pushed. Bottom line is, the owners pushed the game this way.
 
Lucky said:
A great QB can make a line and receivers look better. The entire game and rules are built around the QB. They play the most important position. Of course, they will have the most power.
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Colts OL is great, their running game is special, they have plenty of receiving threats, and they run an offense that Carson Wentz is familiar with.......me thinks Carson is going to have a hellava 2021 turnaround season.
 
steelbtexan said:
I've been saying this for yrs.

Do you think the Texans will change the way they've done business since their inception?
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I don't believe the Texans will ever change the way they do business until they are owned by someone not related to the McNair family.

Lucky said:
A great QB can make a line and receivers look better. The entire game and rules are built around the QB. They play the most important position. Of course, they will have the most power.
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Perhaps. The Texans All-Pro stud once-in-a-generation HoF-bound franchise QB was good for 4 wins. Star QBs still need a team around them.

Modern QBs can try to act like NBA superstars with their massive egos and demands, but in the end, one player cannot carry a football team the way one superstar can carry a basketball team.

I'm not saying you do not need a QB. What I'm wondering is if the days of getting a franchise QB and then building around him are over. The Texans rolled out the carpet and made Watson's Disney princess dreams come true, but ultimately they won't have time to build a team for him due to [insert reason(s) here].

Mr teX said:
Which is why it was a bad idea for the league to start instituting all these rules to protect these guys. They make the most money while playing, but get hit the least amongst all players. They are also the most likely to be able to make the most money when they leave the game as commentators, front office executives and endorsements.

Average/below average qbs have 10-12 year careers at a minimum. A guy like Chase Daniel and the McCown brothers have made 10’s of millions of Dollars over their careers riding the bench and haven’t played in a full seasons worth of snaps yet in their careers. We also saw how a bum like Sam Bradford raked in the millions and couldn’t even finish a season.

Average/below average players elsewhere on the team might be lucky to have 5 year careers.

shits totally unbalanced and if I were a non-qb player, I’d be tempted to start my own little faction within the NFLPA to balance things out.
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Nailed it.

Heck, someone calculated David Carr's earnings as a pro football player, and it was well over $70 million. And for what? Being a below-average QB? Makes no sense.

QBs acting like NBA divas is ultimately bad business for the NFL. And when the league eventually hits economic turmoil - which is probably just a matter of time - we can look back at greed perpetuated by owners and superstar individual players as the fundamental flaws in the foundation.
 
Mr teX said:
Which is why it was a bad idea for the league to start instituting all these rules to protect these guys. They make the most money while playing, but get hit the least amongst all players. They are also the most likely to be able to make the most money when they leave the game as commentators, front office executives and endorsements.

Average/below average qbs have 10-12 year careers at a minimum. A guy like Chase Daniel and the McCown brothers have made 10’s of millions of Dollars over their careers riding the bench and haven’t played in a full seasons worth of snaps yet in their careers. We also saw how a bum like Sam Bradford raked in the millions and couldn’t even finish a season.

Average/below average players elsewhere on the team might be lucky to have 5 year careers.

shits totally unbalanced and if I were a non-qb player, I’d be tempted to start my own little faction within the NFLPA to balance things out.
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If the QB's want to act like divas and pull what DW4's going to pull there's 1 easy way to fix it. Go back to the rules in the 70's and let them earn their $$$$. Shorter careers say 7 or 8 yrs would eliminate what's going on now. You play under your rookie deal for 5 yrs and then squeak out 2 or more yrs that would curtail alot of what's currently going on and football would be much more entertaining. Isn't that what sports is supposed to be about?
 
steelbtexan said:
I believe going back to letting QB's get hit again would sell even more beer.
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One of the things I miss the most is the "Jacked Up!" segments on ESPN before MNF games. I also miss stories of brave receivers that had the guts to go across the middle of the field when defenders used to be able to actual defend. Now the middle of the field looks like arena football out there.

Yeah, I get CTE is a real issue and some protections should be in place, but it has almost reached a point of putting skirts and red shirts on QBs and just give them flags instead of tackling them.

Now they are so special that they want the power of executive management decisions and forced-trade deals when the ink isn't even dry on a new massive contract.
 
Did anyone notice that Orlando Brown of the Ravens has requested a trade? He was playing RT. When their LT (Ronnie Stanley) got injured, he moved to LT, played well and earned a Pro Bowl spot. Now Brown does not want to return to RT.

In what goes for communication in today's NFL, when it was discuss that he would return to RT, he tweeted. I expect we are going to see more and more of this from other positions.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1355289499631288328
 
Double Barrel said:
Perhaps. The Texans All-Pro stud once-in-a-generation HoF-bound franchise QB was good for 4 wins.
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Don't you think that's an anomaly? His other full seasons finished with division championships. We all know that you have to have a QB to win. That's not all you need. But, you have to start from that principle.

Rules will only move into the direction of more player protection. Especially, QBs. Like it not, that is the reality.
 
Double Barrel said:
Heck, someone calculated David Carr's earnings as a pro football player, and it was well over $70 million. And for what? Being a below-average QB? Makes no sense.
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Closer to $40 million for Carr, but sure. Trying to makes sense out of pro sports dollars will leave you mad. It's not real life, just fantasy. Caught in a landslide. Escape from reality.

Mama mia, mama mia.
 
Lucky said:
Don't you think that's an anomaly? His other full seasons finished with division championships. We all know that you have to have a QB to win. That's not all you need. But, you have to start from that principle.

Rules will only move into the direction of more player protection. Especially, QBs. Like it not, that is the reality.
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You don't necessarily have to have an elite QB to win, tho'. You can win with a good team that has a competent QB. Eli Manning won two that way. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Nick Foles come to mind, as well.

If teams and the league allows one position to have too much power - especially if that power includes diva demands - there will eventually be a counter-balance that will most likely take the form of player & fan resentment. Uncontrolled ego is rarely attractive to most people. This doesn't even take into account the logical and reasonable result of attempting to balance talent on a team when one position is taking up so much cap space.

Lucky said:
Closer to $40 million for Carr, but sure. Trying to makes sense out of pro sports dollars will leave you mad. It's not real life, just fantasy. Caught in a landslide. Escape from reality.

Mama mia, mama mia.
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Not a bad gig if you can get it. :money: :clown:
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I am not even sure that's the right thread name, but the fact long-term faces of franchises is a new fact in the QB discussion.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

No QBs drafted in first round from 2009-16 are set to be on original team in 2021

There were 22 quarterbacks drafted in the first round between the 2009 and 2016 seasons and all of them came with hopes that they'd lead their teams for years to come.
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well yeah most of the only qbs who win sb are top 10 picks its a crab shoot tho

the other way to do it is have a monster team both sides of the ball and have a 2nd rounder or older veteran qb to lead them
 
This is an interesting subject. I would agree that you can acquire a QB in free agency or trades instead of drafting one in the 1st round and hope they become elite. I would prefer to have a great team around an average QB than a great QB around a poor team (2020 Texans).
 
"Of the 42 quarterbacks selected in the first round between 2000-2015, only 16 have started at least 80 games, the equivalent of five full NFL regular seasons. Only 11 made 80 or more starts with the NFL team who drafted them.
Only 16 of the 42 first-round quarterbacks drafted from 2000-2015 amassed a winning record with the team that selected them. Only seven — Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan and, yes, Rex Grossman — have ever been the starting quarterback in a Super Bowl."

In the 16 years referenced, only 16.7% of the QB's drafted in round 1 took the team that drafted them to a Super Bowl. The odds of hitting on a franchise QB aren't very good.
 
Toro Bravo said:
"Of the 42 quarterbacks selected in the first round between 2000-2015, only 16 have started at least 80 games, the equivalent of five full NFL regular seasons. Only 11 made 80 or more starts with the NFL team who drafted them.
Only 16 of the 42 first-round quarterbacks drafted from 2000-2015 amassed a winning record with the team that selected them. Only seven — Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan and, yes, Rex Grossman — have ever been the starting quarterback in a Super Bowl."

In the 16 years referenced, only 16.7% of the QB's drafted in round 1 took the team that drafted them to a Super Bowl. The odds of hitting on a franchise QB aren't very good.
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and honestly Grossman and Flacco were not true franchise QBs. At least Flacco could fool people now and then.
 
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