Is Carr a LEADER???

[swtbound07]

All vy can do is run, and you cant do that in the NFL, look at micheal vick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mean the Mike Vick that went to the NFC Championship last year?
The Mike Vick that routinely runs through defenses for 100 yard qb rushing games?
Maybe the Mike Vick that ran through Green Bay in Lambeau.

Man...that boy hasnt done ANYTHING in the NFL...biggest bust ever...geez

 

[HoustonFrog]

Yes he does make us better, the abillity to take it to the house when ever he touches the football, line him up in every possition in the field.
The guy trained and got praises from Ladanian Tomlinson, that is pretty good.

Bush works hard and I do like he trained with LT. Good post.

 

[swtbound07]

Yes he does make us better, the abillity to take it to the house when ever he touches the football, line him up in every possition in the field.
The guy trained and got praises from Ladanian Tomlinson, that is pretty good.

the guy TRAINED ladanian tomlinson?? Really? i didnt know he was mentoring NFL backs....in that case....:brickwall

 

[airforcelover]

Is Carr A LEADER???

The short answer to your question is ....

NO!!!!

A little longer answer is...

No way, No how, never


Just watch the team when someone scores. On the field and sidelines, they all congratulate each other and when Carr comes up they turn their backs and walk off. No one, except Capers, would even talk to him on the sidelines.

I am sure many won't agree with me, but I have always thought that Tony should have been our #1 QB. Maybe I am dreaming, but it just seems to me that the team respects him and the OL sure protects him better.

Carr isn't even worth my , much less his pay check.

 

[swtbound07]

So the record is Carrs fault, WOW so much this guy does to bring down the franchise.

I believe the question was, is carr a LEADER. If carr was really a leader, he would logically be the place to look for the teams record, wouldnt he? Or would that responsibility be delegated to one of his "sub-leaders?"

 

[bullman]

You mean the Mike Vick that went to the NFC Championship last year?
The Mike Vick that routinely runs through defenses for 100 yard qb rushing games?
Maybe the Mike Vick that ran through Green Bay in Lambeau.

Man...that boy hasnt done ANYTHING in the NFL...biggest bust ever...geez

What happened to Michael Vick this year, no playoffs, got whipped by Carolina at home 44-11, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!Mick Vick has lost it!

 

[swtbound07]

What happened to Michael Vick this year, no playoffs, got whipped by Carolina at home 44-11, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!Mick Vick has lost it!

So having one bad loss and finishing 8-8 means you've lost it? then those 14 losses must really be haunting david carr. What happened to the Eagles this year......donovan mcnabb must have lost it. After all, they were in the super bowl last year, no playoffs, got destroyed in several games they played. Stupid, Stupid point.

 

[swtbound07]

is he the only guy on the field.
yes or no.

Nope. Does he deserve no blame for 2-14?

 

[Dennis007]

The short answer to your question is ....

NO!!!!

A little longer answer is...

No way, No how, never


Just watch the team when someone scores. On the field and sidelines, they all congratulate each other and when Carr comes up they turn their backs and walk off. No one, except Capers, would even talk to him on the sidelines.

I am sure many won't agree with me, but I have always thought that Tony should have been our #1 QB. Maybe I am dreaming, but it just seems to me that the team respects him and the OL sure protects him better.

Carr isn't even worth my , much less his pay check.

DITTO!

I couldn't have said it any better - Close the thread!

 

[HoustonFrog]

I agree. So basically, according to some of you, Carr is a leader BUT it wasn't his fault. Carr should be the man BUT coaching did nothing for him. Carr would be a great QB BUT the line failed him. Carr holding on to the ball and looking down receivers is an aberration BUT he has all these mad skills. ...you see where I'm going?4 years and a bucket full of excuses. Basically the team just did nothing for him for 4 years and he was above it all. Too funny!!

 

[swtbound07]

I agree. So basically, according to some of you, Carr is a leader BUT it wasn't his fault. Carr should be the man BUT coaching did nothing for him. Carr would be a great QB BUT the line failed him. Carr holding on to the ball and looking down receivers is an aberration BUT he has all these mad skills. ...you see where I'm going?4 years and a bucket full of excuses. Basically the team just did nothing for him for 4 years and he was above it all. Too funny!!

I'll drink to that. Eventually there comes a point in your career where you have to rise above obstacles. Carr hasnt.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Excuses or Truth?
So it makes me wounder why is he still here just because he is a good guy?
If McNair wants to win why not just let Carr go if
he is not a leader, holds on to the ball, is not accurate and the sacks are his fault, they could just cut him loose and draft Young or Leinhart.

This is where we agree. I have never said that he might not be a good QB. It is just my opinion that he won't be and I think his status in the locker room has deteriorated due to the fact that not only were they bad but he didn't stay after practice to work on things and he didn't watch extra film. I don't see any teammates taking up for the guy..in fact some have said he isn't the leader. This is the contract year so we will see what happens. But for my taste, I'm tired of it being everyone elses fault when all he had to do was show what he was made of during these seasons. He hasn't shown anything to me. Hopefully if they keep him, I'll be wrong.

 

[swtbound07]

Houston Dogg and the rest:

Carr is a leader. You are clueless. Vince Young has one good game against a sorry-*** USC defense and you think he can play. DID YOU FORGET THE A&M game? Remember Fresno State scored 42 against USC and had 5 second half turnovers........so......

.......sit you fair-weathered *** down.

Carr takes 200+ sacks and keeps his opinions to himself. Pukes like Frogg pour beer on his wife and he is restrained in his comments.

He had a better college career than Young. He has a much stronger arm and is more accurate. If Young played behind Houston's sorry *** line the past four years, he would probably be out of football.

Give Carr a real chance to show his skills. I guess the facts that every other Coach and explayer in the league who has commented agrees that Carr has not had a real shot yet.

just because we dont think david is the answer doesnt make us fairweather fans.

No need for profanity, as it is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate.

People pouring beer on david's wife has nothing to do with his ability to play qb.

David hasnt had a real shot yet. Okay and? the texans are still going to have some major holes next year. Like it or not, this is the team he plays on. He is either going to suceed or not. Not everyone gets the ideal situation to suceed, but make do with what they have.

Vince young has had more than one good game. This has been addressed.

Bottom line, Carr hasnt gotten it done, and there is no reason to predict a 180 in his performance.

 

[Hookem Horns]

Rough Start at 0-3
10/06/05

We’re not giving up on it yet. Even though we’ve started 0-3, Joe Pendry was talking the other day saying he coached a team in Buffalo that started 0-3 and they ended up getting beat by the Dolphins in the playoffs. Our season is not over yet. I would tell anyone that is kind of doubting to hold on to that for a couple weeks. Make sure you see what we got with what we’re doing on offense and the confidence we’re playing with. We’ll see what we can do. I don’t think this week is necessarily a must win, but I think it is a must play well. I think our guys have to go out with confidence and play the way I know that we can play. Play the way that we did last week for the most part barring a few plays we just didn’t make the plays that I wish we could take back. Other than that, I think that if our guys go out and do what we’re supposed to do, the rest will take care of itself.

http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=32977&section=journal

 

[texan279]

Rough Start at 0-3
10/06/05

We’re not giving up on it yet. Even though we’ve started 0-3, Joe Pendry was talking the other day saying he coached a team in Buffalo that started 0-3 and they ended up getting beat by the Dolphins in the playoffs. Our season is not over yet. I would tell anyone that is kind of doubting to hold on to that for a couple weeks. Make sure you see what we got with what we’re doing on offense and the confidence we’re playing with. We’ll see what we can do. I don’t think this week is necessarily a must win, but I think it is a must play well. I think our guys have to go out with confidence and play the way I know that we can play. Play the way that we did last week for the most part barring a few plays we just didn’t make the plays that I wish we could take back. Other than that, I think that if our guys go out and do what we’re supposed to do, the rest will take care of itself.

Sounds good to me...

 

[swtbound07]

SWT:

You can gauge leadership from more than winning or losing. The majority of folks here give a lot a weight to this one factor. It is a mistake. Do you remember Farve in Atlanta? Carr has handled himself well in adverse circumstances.

Regarding Young, he is a very good player with a poor throwing motion. His durability is unknown. Let's give him a lot of pressure and 30 to 40 whacks and see what you get. Young will not be able to run, for long, in the NFL. If he does so, he will follow Vick to the trash heap.

What we have here is Texas folks getting exciting about a guy from Texas. It's a common mistake from a state that thinks it created football.

The problem with the Texans is the o-line is offensive.

I would rather have a winner than a good leadership guy. Just my preference. I dont care how well carr has handled himself, i care how he has handled the team. 2-14...not good.

AGAIN. Mike vick is not on the trash heap. NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME last year, more playoff wins than eli manning, carson palmer, david carr, byron leftwich, drew brees, kyle boller, Chris Simms, Alex Smith, and Aaron Rodgers COMBINED.

I live in florida. Im excited about a good qb.

I agree, the offensive line is poor.

 

[AustinJB]

SWT:

Regarding Young, he is a very good player with a poor throwing motion. His durability is unknown. Let's give him a lot of pressure and 30 to 40 whacks and see what you get. Young will not be able to run, for long, in the NFL. If he does so, he will follow Vick to the trash heap.

What we have here is Texas folks getting exciting about a guy from Texas. It's a common mistake from a state that thinks it created football.

The problem with the Texans is the o-line is offensive.

The poor throwing motion argument is getting ridiculous. That's just a product of over-analyzing by scouts. Favre still doesn't have a great throwing motion. Many other good QBs don't. Did everyone forget that David Carr had a poor motion when the Texans were considering drafting him out of college? They said that they felt like they could help him overcome it. I think he has, true it hasn't translated into success but that is a different argument altogether.

The Texans fixing the O-line is a priority...but VY is more mobile than Carr and likely able to escape the pocket better even if the line remains horrible.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Have you ever heard of an early out, where the players come out and work before practice?
AND QBs and how many times they throw the football each week is monitored.
AND how do you know he does not watch extra film, are you kidding me, how do you know that.
Players should come out and Stick up for him that would make you feel better, who has sticked up for anybody give me a quote,

Do you think guys go around taking turns sticking up for each other?
I am tired you have nothing with to back it up.

What do you mean?It has been a known fact that all season he refused to work with receivers after practice or watch extra film. He even responded to it by saying that he choses to spend time with his family and studies film at home. I'll leave that up to interpretation. Sorry that I don't kiss his tail or make excuses for a guy who has done nothing. It isn't all his fault but he sure hasn't shown that it would be different. Truthfully, if a teammate was getting crucified in the media and around town I'd come to his defense and not say "he is not the leader" ala McKinney. Waving goodbye back.

 

[AustinJB]

Austin:

Okay. VY is more mobile. Let's say he is only sacked 40 times a year........

...do you get the point....

He still goes to the Vick hospital.

Constant pressure and whacks on the head can affect how you play.

SWT....Vick has been way overrated from the day he came in the league. I said three years ago, on this website, his durability is questionable.

You do realize that VY is 6/5 and 230 lbs right? (That's before conditioning in the pros) That's 5" taller than Vick and 20 lbs heavier, and almost just as fast. That's also 2" taller than Carr and 10 lbs heavier. If Carr can take it, I'm sure VY can too.

 

[z0rpAn]

Carr is a great leader, you wouldn't be saying all this BS if the Texans were winning, Carr is lot better than VY, VY has no leadership skills nothing compared to Carr, Carr is a family man, what is VY, nothing more than a guy who wears his hat bakcwards, and talks like a thug, the Texans dont need this on their team, leave Carr alone he is the Texans future!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank You "<10 posts". I would have called you David Carr or David's wife, but HoustonFrog beat me to it. Please remind me how being a good family man is being a good in-game leader.

Having the top pick in the NFL and how Mr. McNair is looking over things now I have sense to believe there is a good chance that we will be taking Young. There has been no word about the extent of the injury Carr suffered in the last game, though I'm assuming its minor since he played out the rest of the first half after the hit. Looking outward instead of inward, I would much rather play against a David Carr than a could be superstar Vince Young. The QB position is the MOST important on the field and they can upgrade what we have seen as a mediocre QB, pass up good, and grab a possibly great quaterback. I think both of these guys are going to be GREAT QBs in the future, but I would rather us draft Young and trade one of our 2 QBs to a NFC team. It would be ridiculous letting the Titans get a guy like this and sure don't want to see a picture with Young standing side-by-side with Bud Adams on draft day for years to come.

 

[swtbound07]

Austin:

Okay. VY is more mobile. Let's say he is only sacked 40 times a year........

...do you get the point....

He still goes to the Vick hospital.

Constant pressure and whacks on the head can affect how you play.

SWT....Vick has been way overrated from the day he came in the league. I said three years ago, on this website, his durability is questionable.

again i say....not overrated. 3 probowls, 2 sucessfull playoff runs. Everyones durability is questionable, its the freaking nfl.

 

[bullman]

Thank You "<10 posts". I would have called you David Carr or David's wife, but HoustonFrog beat me to it. Please remind me how being a good family man is being a good in-game leader.

Having the top pick in the NFL and how Mr. McNair is looking over things now I have sense to believe there is a good chance that we will be taking Young. There has been no word about the extent of the injury Carr suffered in the last game, though I'm assuming its minor since he played out the rest of the first half after the hit. Looking outward instead of inward, I would much rather play against a David Carr than a could be superstar Vince Young. The QB position is the MOST important on the field and they can upgrade what we have seen as a mediocre QB, pass up good, and grab a possibly great quaterback. I think both of these guys are going to be GREAT QBs in the future, but I would rather us draft Young and trade one of our 2 QBs to a NFC team. It would be ridiculous letting the Titans get a guy like this and sure don't want to see a picture with Young standing side-by-side with Bud Adams on draft day for years to come.

You must be a vy lover, David Carr is the Troy Aikman, with the hiring of Gary Kubiak he will reach that plateau wheter you like it or not, David car is my friend, and I know he will do well this season, David Carr is not the only person on the team, get over it Carr is here to stay, and VY will not be coming here, so keep dreaming!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HoustonFrog]

You must be a vy lover, David Carr is the Troy Aikman, with the hiring of Gary Kubiak he will reach that plateau wheter you like it or not, David car is my friend, and I know he will do well this season, David Carr is not the only person on the team, get over it Carr is here to stay, and VY will not be coming here, so keep dreaming!!!!!!!!!!!!

David, go throw some passes in the back yard and stay away from Clemen's house. Stop making up imaginary friends. Go get ready for a QB competition. You have 8 mill to earn