Is Carr a LEADER???

[BattleRedTexan]

I'm fairly new to this board, so I don't know if this has been addressed before...

I think Carr has all of the talent and tools necessary to be a GREAT quarterback, but the reason that I am all caught up in the Vincent Young "hype" is because I question Carr's leadership abilities.

Most people I talk to don't seem to think that Carr is a LEADER.

When you see V. Young play, he gives off a vibe that he is going to LEAD his team to victory. I'm just not sure if Carr has "it."

I truely hope that Carr become a great LEADER. I hope after having such a bad season, he will refocus and rededicate himself to being the very best player he can be..... Only HE can determine his legacy now. If he can LEAD the Texans to the playoffs, he will become Houston's "Golden Boy."

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens with the NFL Draft...

 

[Tulip]

IMO, he is not a leader. And I don't think it's because he wasn't "allowed" to be a leader. People either are leaders or they aren't.

But I hope that he does improve, and I hope that I'm wrong about his leadership qualities, because it appears that I'm stuck with him - at least for the next year.

 

[Grid]

I think its about impossible to tell.. but from what I have seen he has the ability to be a leader.

 

[Napa Auto Parts]

The Question is is he a leader im going to say NO simple as that.

 

[tulexan]

IMO, he is not a leader. And I don't think it's because he wasn't "allowed" to be a leader. People either are leaders or they aren't.

When your team is run by an oligarchy of coordinators, you would be surprised what you can and can't do.

 

[Grid]

how can you say NO when you have no PROOF?

I think that people are equating winning with leading.

 

[BattleRedTexan]

You would think that after 4 years, we would be able to say FOR SURE whether or not he is a leader...

And I think there is a difference between being a sidelines "cheerleader" who tries to get people fired up, and being a true leader ON THE FIELD.

A leader, in my opinion, is someone who "takes the reins" and says:

"Okay guys, WE'RE going to win this game." (His team believes in him, and there is no doubt in their mind that they are going to do it.)

 

[Marcus]

I think that people are equating winning with leading.

Why of course they do. Just like they equate losing with that tired and overused "no emotion or fire".

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[J-Man]

A leader, in my opinion, is someone who "takes the reins" and says:

"Okay guys, WE'RE going to win this game." (His team believes in him, and there is no doubt in their mind that they are going to do it.)

...then drives his team down into the opponents territory late in the 4th QTR and watches a perfect 30yrd strike bounce off the hands of his WR on the 2yrd line.

Bottom line is unless you are in the huddle or locker room NONE of us can really answer the question.

 

[texanfan2002114]

I think its about impossible to tell.. but from what I have seen he has the ability to be a leader.

he has the ability to be a leader but even Bob McNair questions it some. He said during the press conference that he wants Carr to step up more and take more of the leadership role on this team.

As soon as I find the exact quote I will post it.

 

[Fiddy]

how can you say NO when you have no PROOF?

I think that people are equating winning with leading.

Remember what Sharper said that got him cut. "We need a leader on this team" or something to that effect after they lost a close game.

You question Carr, you get kicked off the team.

 

[dirty steve]

Remember what Sharper said that got him cut. "We need a leader on this team" or something to that effect after they lost a close game.

You question Carr, you get kicked off the team.

why couldn't sharper have been that player? he reminds me of scott pippen as far as shirking responsibility when he is given it.

amazing how dunta is a leader in his 2nd overall season in the league and sharper never seemed to get to that point.

 

[Fiddy]

why couldn't sharper have been that player? he reminds me of scott pippen as far as shirking responsibility when he is given it.

amazing how dunta is a leader in his 2nd overall season in the league and sharper never seemed to get to that point.

Yeah, that was what a lot of people said, that's why most took it as a shot at Carr...

 

[Tulip]

how can you say NO when you have no PROOF?

I think that people are equating winning with leading.

Doesn't he leave practice the second it's over - not spending any time bonding with his teammates?

 

[BattleRedTexan]

Well, I just HOPE that Carr STEPS UP this season.

He is just beginning to see how it is going to be for him if he does not perform. He's still young (only in his 4th season in the NFL) and people are already beginning to question him and talk about getting another quarterback.

Until this past season, people were still on the Carr bandwagon, but now people are starting to get tired.

As far as our draft pick goes, I think we will be fine either way. Bush and Young are both phenomenal players, and you can't go wrong either way (although the "hometown factor" has people in a frenzy about Young right now). If the Texans get either of these two guys, we will be in good shape.

But regardless of what happens, Carr needs to take this team to the next level next season. He needs to step up and LEAD the Texans, otherwise he is going to find people questioning him for the rest of his career. At this point, Carr's legacy is in his own hands, and I for one hope that he chooses to spend this offseason preparing to prove everyone wrong next season...

 

[Wharton]

On one of the early morning 610 interview Steve McKinney was asked this same question. Is DC the leader of the offense? McKinney answer was NO. Why? I don't know, he just isn't.

There is also proof of it on the sidelines during games. Othe sucessful quarterbacks, like Manning and Palmer take an active roll in guiding the offense. They talk to coaches, meet with wide receivers, running backs, and o-linemen. DC does none of this. He has not been, is not now and will not be a leader!

 

[Tulip]

On one of the early morning 610 interview Steve McKinney was asked this same question. Is DC the leader of the offense? McKinney answer was NO. Why? I don't know, he just isn't.

That's pretty disturbing. If the guy who hands you the ball on every play doesn't think you're the leader, this team is in trouble.

 

[CaptainPatriot]

how can you say NO when you have no PROOF?

I think that people are equating winning with leading.

All you have to do is look in a Leaders Eyes when the game is on the line in the 4th Q! There is your PROOF IE: Montana,Brady and now VY at least at the College Level. Look at Montana and Brady last College Bowl Games.
I would hate to see in 3 yrs VY and Titans going to playoffs and Texans still saying Give Carr cpl more yrs. he is almost there! Reggie Bush ends up being like a Peter Warrick.

 

[Speedy]

Bottom line is unless you are in the huddle or locker room NONE of us can really answer the question.

Perfect statement. You can go ahead and close this thread....discussion over.

 

[Tulip]

Perfect statement. You can go ahead and close this thread....discussion over.

Fortunately for us, we don't have to speculate on everything. Texans players provide just enough quotes to the media for us to form opinions about the general behind-the-scenes feeling.

 

[Speedy]

Fortunately for us, we don't have to speculate on everything. Texans players provide just enough quotes to the media for us to form opinions about the general behind-the-scenes feeling.

Again, you're not in the locker room, you don't know jack about leaders on this team.

 

[edo783]

On one of the early morning 610 interview Steve McKinney was asked this same question. Is DC the leader of the offense? McKinney answer was NO. Why? I don't know, he just isn't.!

It has occured to me recently, that McKinny might actually be one of or maybe, the issue. Seems pretty full of himself and with comments like "We have one of the best lines in the league" tells me he isn't on planet reality. As a league veteran, he might be bullying and belittling our young/rookie players. You know how it is when you have the loudmouth, know it all around. No one has any good points or says anything good but him and he drives others into being quit. About the only way to shut that type up is to beat them about the head and shoulders or ship their butts out the door. Not sure if this is the case, but he has all the earmarks to be it to me.

 

[Tulip]

Again, you're not in the locker room, you don't know jack about leaders on this team.

Do you really think that what goes on in the locker room really stays in the locker room? You can see all kinds of things on the field. You can see how players interact with each other. You can hear the quotes the players give the media. You see the individual player's body language after plays. Reporters give us accounts of a player's work schedule.

The locker room is not a vacuum. And if it is, then it's irrelevant to "team chemistry" because it has no bearing on what happens on the field.

 

[Napa Auto Parts]

how can you say NO when you have no PROOF?

I think that people are equating winning with leading.

Im Sorry all i know is what i see in the field what i hear from the other players and from that i get my Opinion not that my opinion would be correct but from what ive heard and seen it more than likely it is. im sorry You feel like you have to defend carr every time he is being criticized.

 

[texan_fan]

Remember what Sharper said that got him cut. "We need a leader on this team" or something to that effect after they lost a close game.

You question Carr, you get kicked off the team.

You got it.

What bothers me? I see the potential in Carr to BE a leader. I think, given his history with the team ( new team, new to the NFL, etc. ) he hasn't been given the opportunity to SHOW it.

We've seen flashes...when the coaches give him *permission* in the first half to let HIM make the decisions on the field, he's everything we as fans WANT in a QB. The entire team steps up and performs at a higher level.

(Until they come back from halftime...:brickwall )

Why they won't let out the reins and give him control the ENTIRE game baffles me...

And YES, in a perfect world, Carr would absorb some of Manning's *take charge* attitude. Wouldn't you LOVE to see THAT on the field?!?!?!

But again, I don't think Carr has the *nerve* to just go out there and risk upsetting the coaches by doing what NEEDS to be done.

I hope, for ALL our sakes, that the next HC sees what WE do and tells Carr *It's time-go play YOUR game YOUR way.* Then, and ONLY then, will anyone REALLY know what he's made of!

 

[Wharton]

It has occured to me recently, that McKinny might actually be one of or maybe, the issue.

hehe, if your on our line, you are one of the problems! Personally, I don't think any player on this team should feel confident about thier position. Everyone should be cut bait after last year. 2-14 is not just coaching, we have a personnel problem too. These guys may be talented, but as a team they have learned how to lose.

 

[Hookem Horns]

I have seen Carr sitting on the sideline, hanging his head, and pouting too often to consider him a leader.

 

[HoustonFrog]

NO. It is a resounding NO!!There have been rumblings from other players all year. He doesn't stay after practice. He doesn't watch extra film. The guys on Fox were just pimping Young. Bradshaw and Howie said they think he will be an outright stud and the main reason is because he is a WINNER and a leader. IMHO, something the Texans don't have. I think Bush is smart but Yound has that potential and a disagree completely with people who think the Texans will be rebuilding again. Some QBs don't need 4 years and a bucket of excuses. The D guys we cut last year WERE the team leaders and you saw it erode without them this year.

 

[Wordem]

He's nowhere near the caliber of leader that Vince Young is. Players rally around VY like it was second nature because they realize his play makes them better, literally. He's a freak. Other players know it. They want to be a part of the greatness that is Vince Young.

I can't wait to welcome him home.

 

[Tale Gator]

Two pages and no one has blamed the OL on Carr's lack of leadership qualities...

C'mon guys you're slipping.

 

[Wharton]

Two pages and no one has blamed the OL on Carr's lack of leadership qualities...

C'mon guys you're slipping.

What does our crappy o-line have to do with Carr's lack of leadership?

 

[z0rpAn]

Carr has not shown to be a leader. Everytime he leaves the field he's usually seen sitting his butt on the bench talking on the phone to someone upstairs, GETTING GUIDANCE. Instead of making Bradford feel like crap because he missed a should be easy TD catch or crapping at the O-Line to block for him. He is a trained monkey.

Thats from what I've seen during the games on T.V.

 

[bullman]

Carr has not shown to be a leader. Everytime he leaves the field he's usually seen sitting his butt on the bench talking on the phone to someone upstairs, GETTING GUIDANCE. Instead of making Bradford feel like crap because he missed a should be easy TD catch or crapping at the O-Line to block for him. He is a trained monkey.

Thats from what I've seen during the games on T.V.

Carr is a great leader, you wouldn't be saying all this BS if the Texans were winning, Carr is lot better than VY, VY has no leadership skills nothing compared to Carr, Carr is a family man, what is VY, nothing more than a guy who wears his hat bakcwards, and talks like a thug, the Texans dont need this on their team, leave Carr alone he is the Texans future!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HoustonFrog]

Carr is a great leader, you wouldn't be saying all this BS if the Texans were winning, Carr is lot better than VY, VY has no leadership skills nothing compared to Carr, Carr is a family man, what is VY, nothing more than a guy who wears his hat bakcwards, and talks like a thug, the Texans dont need this on their team, leave Carr alone he is the Texans future!!!!!!!!!!!

this may be the worst post i have ever seen here. I'd attack someone personally but just swore that off in another post. First, show me where he is a leader. Mckinney said he wasn't the leader of the team and he is one of his lineman. How does VY have no leadership skills after just single handedly taking his team to a NC. He is a good church kid who has done good things. Your statement was racist and dumb. This has to be a troll post to incite because none of it made sense.

 

[Coach C.]

I want to point out that Sharper questioned leadership within the coaching staff. He felt that Fangio and Palmer did not put them in position to win, and Capers did nothing to help them. As far as Carr being a leader, yes he is. Now I feel that as the QB he needs to take a more vocal leadership role rather than the role that he takes now. Carr leads this team, and the players follow his lead, but he refuses to truly hold others accountable like most other QBs do. He will take the punishment and criticism on his shoulders and not complain, but this is just half of leadership in my opinion. Carr can be a much better leader, and he has shown this at FSstate. I think his problems and discomfort in this system has led him to his current state.

 

[edo783]

I want to point out that Sharper questioned leadership within the coaching staff. He felt that Fangio and Palmer did not put them in position to win, and Capers did nothing to help them. As far as Carr being a leader, yes he is. Now I feel that as the QB he needs to take a more vocal leadership role rather than the role that he takes now. Carr leads this team, and the players follow his lead, but he refuses to truly hold others accountable like most other QBs do. He will take the punishment and criticism on his shoulders and not complain, but this is just half of leadership in my opinion. Carr can be a much better leader, and he has shown this at FSstate. I think his problems and discomfort in this system has led him to his current state.

Good post Coach and right on target IMO.

 

[ImSoTexas]

Depends on how his teamates think of him. I have seldom seen him carry this team when they are struggling.

 

[bullman]

this may be the worst post i have ever seen here. I'd attack someone personally but just swore that off in another post. First, show me where he is a leader. Mckinney said he wasn't the leader of the team and he is one of his lineman. How does VY have no leadership skills after just single handedly taking his team to a NC. He is a good church kid who has done good things. Your statement was racist and dumb. This has to be a troll post to incite because none of it made sense.

What the hell does this have to do with race, dont you play that race card BS here, All I'm saying is that VY does not show great leadership skills, he should have stayed a UT for another year, dont play that Jesse Jackson BS with me, the media ha hyped up vy, Mckinney is worthless anyway, he just mad that he cant block anybody!

 

[ImSoTexas]

Carr is a great leader, you wouldn't be saying all this BS if the Texans were winning, Carr is lot better than VY, VY has no leadership skills nothing compared to Carr, Carr is a family man, what is VY, nothing more than a guy who wears his hat bakcwards, and talks like a thug, the Texans dont need this on their team, leave Carr alone he is the Texans future!!!!!!!!!!!

What the hell does that mean? Wears his hat backward & talks like a thug? WoW.....Are we profiling here? What has Vince done to you to make you so bitter towards him. People are just giving their opinions and you're catching mad feelings. What gives?

 

[HoustonFrog]

What the hell does this have to do with race, dont you play that race card BS here, All I'm saying is that VY does not show great leadership skills, he should have stayed a UT for another year, dont play that Jesse Jackson BS with me, the media ha hyped up vy, Mckinney is worthless anyway, he just mad that he cant block anybody!

Your statements are absurd. I brought up race because you equated "guy who wears his hat bakcwards, and talks like a thug" to leadership. So I guess you are smarter than all of the college head coaches and guys like Howie Long, Bradshaw, Ronnie Lott and others who have said his #1 best trait is leadership. He took over games and put his team on his back. He started making guys work out early last season so they could be prepared for anything. The whole team calls him their leader. Your post just makes no sense. Sorry. I'm not even pushing to draft the guy but this post is so far off and has no value to it.

 

[bullman]

What the hell does that mean? Wears his hat backward & talks like a thug? WoW.....Are we profiling here? What has Vince done to you to make you so bitter towards him. People are just giving their opinions and you're catching mad feelings. What gives?

I'm tired about hearing about VY, people treat him like he is God and going to save the team, which he is not going to do, VY had one good game which was last wednesday night(wow!) Carr is the future, not vy, vy needs to mature first!

 

[swtbound07]

I'm tired about hearing about VY, people treat him like he is God and going to save the team, which he is not going to do, VY had one good game which was last wednesday night(wow!) Carr is the future, not vy, vy needs to mature first!

so many things wrong with this post.

Carr is not the future, carr is the past 4 years of sub .500 football. Vince had 2 years of continuously good football, not one game. Just because you only stuck your head out from whatever rock it was living under, doesnt mean you can discount his entire college career. Maybe he could save this team...who are you to predict the future?

 

[bullman]

so many things wrong with this post.

Carr is not the future, carr is the past 4 years of sub .500 football. Vince had 2 years of continuously good football, not one game. Just because you only stuck your head out from whatever rock it was living under, doesnt mean you can discount his entire college career. Maybe he could save this team...who are you to predict the future?

Carr has bad coaching wake up, and plus pro's are different from college, so dont start comparing the two, you must be a ut fan, because your sure sound like one!

 

[bullman]

Your statements are absurd. I brought up race because you equated "guy who wears his hat bakcwards, and talks like a thug" to leadership. So I guess you are smarter than all of the college head coaches and guys like Howie Long, Bradshaw, Ronnie Lott and others who have said his #1 best trait is leadership. He took over games and put his team on his back. He started making guys work out early last season so they could be prepared for anything. The whole team calls him their leader. Your post just makes no sense. Sorry. I'm not even pushing to draft the guy but this post is so far off and has no value to it.

All vy can do is run, and you cant do that in the NFL, look at micheal vick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ImSoTexas]

I'm tired about hearing about VY, people treat him like he is God and going to save the team, which he is not going to do, VY had one good game which was last wednesday night(wow!) Carr is the future, not vy, vy needs to mature first!

Bush has gotten more hype than anyone this year, how do you feel about him being the 1st pick? Does he make the team better? Does he even play every down? One good game? Nah, but it was on the largest stage, I think Vince is the logical pick but we will see what the owner & coaches do. No need to talk down on any of these players plus its makes alot of since for home grown fans to want a product of Houston playing in his own back yard.

 

[swtbound07]

Carr has bad coaching wake up, and plus pro's are different from college, so dont start comparing the two, you must be a ut fan, because your sure sound like one!

Please. Im from TEXAS STATE UNIVERSITY. Anybody who has followed my posts on this board can show that an orangeblood is the last thing you can label me with.

Gee? Pros and college are different? Man, maybe i need to learn a lot more about football before i post here. Apparently so many things are beyond my grasp. Carr might have had bad coaching. He also has bad PERFORMANCES. You dont know if good coaching will save him. As of right now, Carr is just as much a PROSPECT as vince young. As in, they both have the potential to be good in the nfl, just neither of them ever have been.

 

[bullman]

Vince is not comming here, how many times must you here this.
HOW MANY TIMES!!!!!!!!!!
Sub Par football?
Nice to see Carr is the only one out there playing.

They wont listen because they are living in a fantasy land, CC said he is picking up carr's option, cant you people understand that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[swtbound07]

Vince is not comming here, how many times must you here this.
HOW MANY TIMES!!!!!!!!!!
Sub Par football?
Nice to see Carr is the only one out there playing.

Ummm.....your gonna have to keep telling me until after the draft, because until they take reggie i wont beleive it. I didnt say sub par football. I said sub .500 football. There is a difference. We can debate his PERFORMANCE. you cant argue with his record. Its not good. Until you wake up and channel the spirit of miss cleo, stop speaking in absolutes.

 

[CenTexNative]

Now this looks , to me at least, like comparring apple and oranges.
1) Vince Young - Plays of a team that has excellent blocking and gives him plenty of time to either spot a reciever or run when he needs to. BLOCKING birng the key

2) David Carr - Plays on a team that can't block for more than a couple of plays a game. This means that David Carr is running for his life while trying to get a pass off.

This makes no sense to me. What I would like to see is how they do side by side with as close to exact protection or lack thereof. Then and only then. in my opinion, can an accurate comparason be made.

Oh and Yes I do believe David Carr is a leader

 

[HoustonFrog]

They wont listen because they are living in a fantasy land, CC said he is picking up carr's option, cant you people understand that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David, please go throw the ball with friends, look at tape or just practice. You coming to the boards won't change things. Geesh Carr, get it together.