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Introducing my Texans Defense next year

Kaiser Toro

Kaiser Toro

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I don't do lists often, but what the heck

DE - Mario Williams, Babin
DT - Robaire Smith, Travis Johnson

OLB - Greenwood, Wong
MLB - Levar Arrington

CB - Robinson, Buchanon
S - Brown, Earl
 
I see it a little differently:

DE - Mario Williams, Babin
DT - Robaire Smith, Travis Johnson

OLB - Greenwood, Orr
MLB - Wong

CB - Robinson, Buchanon
S - Hope, Earl

At least that's wishful thinking.
 
TEXANS84 said:
I am assuming that Peek would be used as a situational pass rushing OLB/DE?
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I want Peek back. If he reviews the film I believe he would see that he does need to earn a starting position again. It is my opinon that Babin is ahead at this point.
 
Kaiser nice look big time move with Mario Williams who is the best player in this draft possibly. I do have to disagree with Babin being over Peek right now. "Something" gives me the feeling that Smith likes Peek over Babin at this moment, and feels at 255 he can handle the everydown weakside DE. Peek is a playmaker who should concentrate on killing the man with the ball, past that he should not have to think. One thing I would change is in your lineup is Buchanon. I think he has the talent to start, but if we draft Jonathan Joseph I think he will get beaten out for the nod.

DE= Mario Williams SDE, Antwaan Peek WDE
DT= Seth Payne 2gap, Robaire Smith 1 gap
MLB= Kailee Wong, but he wont be ready for a while so Rookie or FA possibly Polk or Evans, would love Rocky McIntosh here, but he will be gone mid second
OLB= Shantee Orr SOLB, Morlon Greenwood WOLB
CB= Dunta Robinson, Jonathan Joseph, Phillip Buchanon, Chris McKenzie
FS= FA(Chris Hope), more likely CC Brown
SS= Glen Earl
 
Coach C. said:
DE= Mario Williams SDE, Antwaan Peek WDE
DT= Seth Payne 2gap, Robaire Smith 1 gap
MLB= Kailee Wong, but he wont be ready for a while so Rookie or FA possibly Polk or Evans, would love Rocky McIntosh here, but he will be gone mid second
OLB= Shantee Orr SOLB, Morlon Greenwood WOLB
CB= Dunta Robinson, Jonathan Joseph, Phillip Buchanon, Chris McKenzie
FS= FA(Chris Hope), more likely CC Brown
SS= Glen Earl
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That would be a sweet line-up, and I like that it realistically could be done.:yahoo:
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I don't do lists often, but what the heck

DE - Mario Williams, Babin
DT - Robaire Smith, Travis Johnson

OLB - Greenwood, Wong
MLB - Levar Arrington

CB - Robinson, Buchanon
S - Brown, Earl
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Wouldn't you want to have Payne or Gary Walker next to Robaire Smith to keep the heavier guys to the middle and have Babin and Travis Johnson to the outside for left 2 right roll off, pass rush and pursuit?

I think I still want to see Antwan Peek standing up but if not he should be ok at the end. The thing is if they keep Shantee Orr, would you put them on the same side say Antwan at end and Orr OLB to make a "strong side"? Or put them opposite sides to balance what will hopefully be constant pressure?
 
DT=TJ, SMITH
DE=ABRAHAM, BABIN
MLB=HAWK
OLB=PEEK, ORR
CB=ROBINSON,(FAGGINS/PBUC)
SAFETIES=WOODSON, EARL

I dont like Babin at OLB. My opinion, but it seems like he is always out of position, he cant cover the pass very well, and he is horrible about making snap decisions. I did watch him in the 3 point stance and he has above average explosiveness off the ball and some pass rush moves that may warrent giving up your first day draft. Lets try not to ruin another kids carrear by putting him into a position where he is set up for failure.

Abraham. Need I say it?

Hawk could very well be the second coming of Urlacher.

Peek and Orr, strong fast strong, motors are always running and both have a nose for the football and the QB.

Robinson. Hope he gets his head out of the clouds after the performance he turned in last year. I know, I know. I like Robinson too. He has got a knock out blow and plays with heart, but when he was rolled over to the other teams best receiver he was lit up like my grandmother at Christmas. I think PBuc should be challenged by Faggins for the starting job.

Woodson when healthy is the best safety in football and may be worth the gamble but not for 10M a year. Earl is another lights out hitter. If he could only learn how to cover, that would be splendid.

Smith is big and solid and not afraid to get his nose roughed up. Good run stopper. TJ. Not one question about TJ was answered last year. I would almost rather start Payne over TJ if TJ wasent a first round pick.

If I had my way I would cut Greenwood and Wong. That is a lot of money sitting there to be second stringers. But then again that is just my opinion.
 
Coach C. said:
MLB= Kailee Wong, but he wont be ready for a while so Rookie or FA possibly Polk or Evans, would love Rocky McIntosh here, but he will be gone mid second
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I am a big fan of Wong's, and unfortunately I missed his interview on 610. How is his knee coming along???

At least what I heard about his injury right after it happened, it seems like it would be ambitious for him to be coming back and playing well at all this season.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I don't do lists often, but what the heck

CB - Robinson, Buchanon
S - Brown, Earl
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You would be a very charitable man giving Buchanon another chance. Other than that, I can't name something better, realistically.
 
P-Burnt will be cut during training camp as a elementary school walk on could do a better job than him
 
Ummm... What makes you think we're getting Mario Williams? Let's be realistic guys! If we're not taking RB, than we're at least getting DBrick. Chances of getting 1 of the 2 and Mario Williams is almost 0. Too many teams want this guy really bad. :pigfly:
 
phan1 said:
Ummm... What makes you think we're getting Mario Williams? Let's be realistic guys! If we're not taking RB, than we're at least getting DBrick. Chances of getting 1 of the 2 and Mario Williams is almost 0. :pigfly:
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dido
and why would arrington come here?
 
DE - Mario Williams and Babin/Peek
DT - TJ, RSmith
OLB - L Arington
MLB - K Wong / A Hodges or D Jackson from Draft
OLB - M Greenwood Or Wong if a rookie beats Wong for the starting MLB spot
CB - DRob
CB - J Joseph, Demario Minter, or Pbuch
FS - Hope
SS - CC Brown - Earl
 
Texans_Chick said:
I am a big fan of Wong's, and unfortunately I missed his interview on 610. How is his knee coming along???

At least what I heard about his injury right after it happened, it seems like it would be ambitious for him to be coming back and playing well at all this season.
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Wong had two surgeries in the last five months. The first surgery, which he had immediately after the injury at Seattle in October, was to repair a torn patella tendon. Rehab from that injury (unlike ACL surgery which requires motion for rehab) required immobilization of the knee. After about ten weeks of rehab from that injury, he had another surgery in the first week of January to repair the ACL.

'Normal' NFL recoup time for an ACL is 9 months at best. Consider both surgeries and rehab, sprinkle in $3.1 on the cap this year, then do the math. Early January plus nine months = early October.

We need a middle linebacker and DaShon Polk is nothing more than a nice backup.
 
aj. said:
Wong had two surgeries in the last four months. The first surgery, which he had immediately after the injury at Seattle, was to repair a torn patella tendon. Rehab from that injury (unlike ACL surgery which requires motion for rehab) required immobilization of the knee. After about ten weeks of rehab from that injury, he had another surgery in the first week of January to repair the ACL.

'Normal' NFL recoup time for an ACL is 9 months at best. Consider both surgeries and rehab, sprinkle in $3.1 on the cap this year, then do the math. Early January plus nine months = early October.

We need a middle linebacker and DaShon Polk is nothing more than a nice backup.
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Enter Ahmad Brooks. :redtowel:
 
CoachJim said:
You're kidding me right?
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Kidding about what. Wong did play some MLB at Minnesota. He had a serious injury last year so I dont see why one of the top ranked MLB in this draft couldnt beat him out for the starting spot. Which leaves wong and greenwood to compete for the last OLB spot.
 
Joe Texan said:
P-Burnt will be cut during training camp as a elementary school walk on could do a better job than him
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Buchanon will stay because he is relatively cheap under the cap. Probably not as cheap as an elementary school walk on. :)

I am guessing that Hoke was the guy who really wanted him to begin with, so maybe if he stays, Hoke thinks that there is something there. (I do know that at least under Capers, the position coaches had a lot of say as to what guys they really wanted).

And to be fair, I don't care who you have in the secondary, if your guys up front are getting no pass rush AND can't defend against the run, your secondary is gonna look nongood. And given the choice between throwing to Dunta or Buchanon, he was just gonna get a bunch of balls thrown his way. And he was supposed to play the coverage that was called, even if that meant being pretty far off the guy he was covering.

I am not a Buchanon apologist, but as it is easier to replace coaches versus players, I have to say I am a little intrigued to see what he could do under a more sensible defensive system. Texans have a lot of needs, and are probably not likely to take a baby CB in the draft.

:texflag:
 
Bubbajwp said:
Kidding about what. Wong did play some MLB at Minnesota. He had a serious injury last year so I dont see why one of the top ranked MLB in this draft couldnt beat him out for the starting spot. Which leaves wong and greenwood to compete for the last OLB spot.
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Exactly what MLB comin outta college that we could concievably draft would be the one? I can't see one that you could plug right in & be an instant upgrade over Wong ... but I could be wong ...errr wRong.
 
CoachJim said:
Exactly what MLB comin outta college that we could concievably draft would be the one? I can't see one that you could plug right in & be an instant upgrade over Wong ... but I could be wong ...errr wRong.
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Did you forget that Wong had a major knee surgery. There is no garuntee that wong will be the same player you remember. I think you maybe underating Abdul Hodges and D Jackson ofcourse I could be wong ...errr wRong.
 
Bubbajwp said:
Did you forget that Wong had a major knee surgery. There is no garuntee that wong will be the same player you remember. I think you maybe underating Abdul Hodges and D Jackson ofcourse I could be wong ...errr wRong.
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I can garuntee you one thing ... If Wongs performance is changed that dramatically by the injury & subsequent surgery then he will not even be a factor on the roster much less a starter. Kinda makes it a moot point, huh?
 
CoachJim said:
I can garuntee you one thing ... If Wongs performance is changed that dramatically by the injury & subsequent surgery then he will not even be a factor on the roster much less a starter. Kinda makes it a moot point, huh?
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I never said wongs performance would change dramatically I said he may not be the same player you remember. I dont understand why you think a rookie like abdul hodges cant take the starting spot from Wong. I also dont understand why you are coming after me like I have done somthing wrong when all I have said is that Wong had a major knee surgery and his performance may fall of a little.
 
Texans_Chick said:
And to be fair, I don't care who you have in the secondary, if your guys up front are getting no pass rush AND can't defend against the run, your secondary is gonna look nongood.
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Like Deion Sanders said "Show me a front seven that can't get to the quarterback, and you'll see 4 defensive backs that can't cover".

Woops, this is TEXANS84 BTW.
 
TEXANRED said:
DT=TJ, SMITH
DE=ABRAHAM, BABIN
MLB=HAWK
OLB=PEEK, ORR
CB=ROBINSON,(FAGGINS/PBUC)
SAFETIES=WOODSON, EARL

I think PBuc should be challenged by Faggins for the starting job.

Woodson when healthy is the best safety in football and may be worth the gamble but not for 10M a year. Earl is another lights out hitter. If he could only learn how to cover, that would be splendid.
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I assume you are talking about Charles Woodson. He's a corner and not worth $1 million in my opinion. I don't know if he has the ability to move to safety. It's possible, but he's represented by Tweedledee and Tweedledum (Poston brothers) which makes him worth less than P-Buc in my book.

I don't think either Faggins or Buchanon did anything to earn a starting job. Faggins has shown he's a good nickel, but he's not an NFL starting CB. They need to draft someone or find a free agent.
 
How about this line up guys:

WDE-J. Abraham/Peek SDE-T.Pryce/Babin
DT-TJ and Robaire
WLB-Greenwood/McIntosh or D. Ryans
MLB-Orr/A. Brooks
SLB- Akin Ayodele/Wong
CB1-Drob
CB2-D. Minter
CB3/4-P Buch/Petey
SS-Earl/C. Brown
FS-Hope/G. Blue

Think it could happen?
 
TexanBacker93 said:
I assume you are talking about Charles Woodson. He's a corner and not worth $1 million in my opinion. I don't know if he has the ability to move to safety. It's possible, but he's represented by Tweedledee and Tweedledum (Poston brothers) which makes him worth less than P-Buc in my book.

I don't think either Faggins or Buchanon did anything to earn a starting job. Faggins has shown he's a good nickel, but he's not an NFL starting CB. They need to draft someone or find a free agent.
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There is another Woodson who does play safety - but I thought he was at the Cowboys. If its Charles then I'd rather keep Brown and Earl at safety.
 
aj. said:
Wong had two surgeries in the last four months. The first surgery, which he had immediately after the injury at Seattle, was to repair a torn patella tendon. Rehab from that injury (unlike ACL surgery which requires motion for rehab) required immobilization of the knee. After about ten weeks of rehab from that injury, he had another surgery in the first week of January to repair the ACL.

'Normal' NFL recoup time for an ACL is 9 months at best. Consider both surgeries and rehab, sprinkle in $3.1 on the cap this year, then do the math. Early January plus nine months = early October.

We need a middle linebacker and DaShon Polk is nothing more than a nice backup.
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If its October would you leave use a roster spot on him? Or place him on the PUP list?
 
Bubbajwp said:
I never said wongs performance would change dramatically I said he may not be the same player you remember. I dont understand why you think a rookie like abdul hodges cant take the starting spot from Wong. I also dont understand why you are coming after me like I have done somthing wrong when all I have said is that Wong had a major knee surgery and his performance may fall of a little.
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Chill out young'n, you're the one that crunk this thing up by sayin' some snot-nosed rookie could come in here his 1st year & take the MLB spot from Wong. Like I said before, maybe I'm wong but with the current talent pool out there I just don't see that happening. IMO the last MLB to come out of that caliber woulda been John Vilma (DROTY thief).
Noone is coming after you, I just thought we were slingin' a lil mud in this long off-season. Then as I was talkin to my wife I looked at your profile & saw that I have 2 daughters older than you & a son the same age ... Made me realize why I never bother to beg my son to clean his room or either of my daughters to check the oil in their vehicles.
 
CoachJim said:
Chill out young'n, you're the one that crunk this thing up by sayin' some snot-nosed rookie could come in here his 1st year & take the MLB spot from Wong. Like I said before, maybe I'm wong but with the current talent pool out there I just don't see that happening. IMO the last MLB to come out of that caliber woulda been John Vilma (DROTY thief).
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Lofa Tatupu and Odell Thurman and their play-off teams might beg to differ.

PS--Let's keep age out of the debate.
 
My Texans D

LE *draft/FA*
DT Smith
DT Payne
RE Babin

LOLB Greenwood
MLB Wong
ROLB Peek

CB Robinson
CB *FA*
FS Brown
SS Earl

I think Payne stays another year and starts over Johnson (at least for 1 more year). We should be drafting a DE but if we don't going after someone in FA would be nice. I like Trever Pryce but Courtney Brown is probably more our speed at this point. At CB they should make Buchanon the nickel and go after Ahmad Plummer or Andre Dyson. :stirpot:
 
WDE-J. Abraham/Peek
SDE-Mario Williams,Babin
DT- Payne,Smith,TJ
WLB-Greenwood,rookie
MLB-rookie,FA
SLB-Orr,rookie,FA
CB-Dunta,Buchanon(maybe Faggins,FA,rookie)
S-Earl,C.C Brown

You can never have too much passrush.
 
phan1 said:
Ummm... What makes you think we're getting Mario Williams? Let's be realistic guys! If we're not taking RB, than we're at least getting DBrick. Chances of getting 1 of the 2 and Mario Williams is almost 0. Too many teams want this guy really bad. :pigfly:
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If we were to make a serious run at an Offensive Lineman in FA (Bentley) then Mario could be taken with our first pick and take the best OL with the first pick in the second round. This would greatly improve our line and improve another area of glaring need, DE.
 
infantrycak said:
Lofa Tatupu and Odell Thurman and their play-off teams might beg to differ.
PS--Let's keep age out of the debate.
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Thanks I just know saw his post and those were the first two names to come to my mind.

Lofa Tatupu Round 2 pick 45

Odell Thurman Round 2 pick 48
 
DaveCarr@andrejohnson.net said:
dido
and why would arrington come here?
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Well, aside from getting a lot of money (as previous posters mentioned,) I think that one of the major reasons why Arrington would consider coming here is b/c of playing time.

Think about it...one of the main reasons why he wanted out of Washington is b/c he wasn't getting PT. He would instantly be our best LB and definately get a LOT of PT.:twocents:
 
mancunian said:
There is another Woodson who does play safety - but I thought he was at the Cowboys. If its Charles then I'd rather keep Brown and Earl at safety.
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You're thinking of Darren Woodson. He hasn't played in 2 years after herniating a disk in his neck. I think Parcells was thinking of using him if they got into the playoffs this year, but he's since announced his retirement.
 
How about

DE - Mario Williams(north carolina state 1st round), Babin
DT - Robaire Smith, Travis Johnson

OLB - Greenwood,
MLB -Wong
OLB - Lavar Arrington

CB - Buchanon, Cedric Griffin(Texas 2nd round)
S - Chris Hope(steelers) Brown
 
ClintonPortis26 said:
How about

DE - Mario Williams(north carolina state 1st round), Babin
DT - Robaire Smith, Travis Johnson

OLB - Greenwood,
MLB -Wong
OLB - Lavar Arrington

CB - Buchanon, Cedric Griffin(Texas 2nd round)
S - Chris Hope(steelers) Brown
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I doubt D Rob, our best corner by far, rides the pine, while a corner who was benched last year before getting hurt and a rookie start over him. Other than that not bad, although I would like to give Orr a chance to earn a starting spot.
 
Bubbajwp said:
Thanks I just know saw his post and those were the first two names to come to my mind.

Lofa Tatupu Round 2 pick 45

Odell Thurman Round 2 pick 48
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Maybe it's just my dry sense of humor ... no harm intended with the age thing. Please accept my apology Bubba.
...and you both are prolly correct about Thurman & Tatupu, the former more than the ladder I suppose. Point taken. I just got a soft side for Kailee ... got his autograph at the Shell station @ Fannin & 610 on opening day last year vs. the Chargers before the game ('bout 9:30am & he was in the CANDY aisle no less). He's kinda my boy.
 
CoachJim said:
Maybe it's just my dry sense of humor ... no harm intended with the age thing. Please accept my apology Bubba.
...and you both are prolly correct about Thurman & Tatupu, the former more than the ladder I suppose. Point taken. I just got a soft side for Kailee ... got his autograph at the Shell station @ Fannin & 610 on opening day last year vs. the Chargers before the game ('bout 9:30am & he was in the CANDY aisle no less). He's kinda my boy.
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would you say he is your "Candy Man"?
 
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