Interesting Reggie Bush stat

[Double Barrel]

no, your supposed to not make a generalization about my motivation. It is easy for you to say im bashing bush because i want young. Thats not true. As for my impressive scouting resume.....i got drunk with our pro scout once...does that count?

That's cool, man. I can certainly understand the position to strongly endorse either draft pick. Both Young and Bush are great prospects with amazing potential, IMHO.

I'm in one of the small camps that can be happy with either guy. It all depends on how the team feels about David Carr at the end of the day. If the front office has faith in his potential, we'll go with Bush. If Carr is better off somewhere else, we get Young.

Either way, we're moving away from 2-14 as fast as we can with a new coaching staff and a new offensive playmaker. That's a good thing no matter how you look at it.

 

[swtbound07]

That's cool, man. I can certainly understand the position to strongly endorse either draft pick. Both Young and Bush are great prospects with amazing potential, IMHO.

I'm in one of the small camps that can be happy with either guy. It all depends on how the team feels about David Carr at the end of the day. If the front office has faith in his potential, we'll go with Bush. If Carr is better off somewhere else, we get Young.

Either way, we're moving away from 2-14 as fast as we can with a new coaching staff and a new offensive playmaker. That's a good thing no matter how you look at it.

I'll drink to that one friend

 

[Jack Bauer]

Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, LaDanian Tomlinson, Rudi Johnson, Larry Johnson, Thomas Jones, Domanick Davis, Cadillac Williams, and Willis McGahee...

Okay you got me! But you went overboard with DD. He only averaged 16 carries per game (14 games). Still that is only 10 out of 32 teams. My point is that he doesn't need to average 20 carries per game to be successful. Denver seems to be doing pretty well with Anderson and Bell.

 

[CaptainPatriot]

Here is a good stat. How many QB's from Texas that were drafted #1 overall have won a Super Bowl?

So what`s your point? We should draft a QB #1 over all from CA? IE:Aikman,Elway and Plunkett?

 

[BigBull17]

Marshall Faulk? 1994?? When was the last QB taken 1st overall and won a superbowl? Troy Aikman. 1989.

John Elway 1998.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

John Elway 1998.

Elway was drafted in 1983, 10 years before the Salary Cap was instituted.

 

[BigBull17]

I was just stating who the last #1 overall pick to win Superbowl. It was Elway.

 

[Jack Bauer]

I was just stating who the last #1 overall pick to win Superbowl. It was Elway.

See the post above yours. Elway was drafted in 83 and Aikman was drafted in 89.

BTW, I see what you are saying: Elway won the most recent QB who was a number 1 pick to win a SB. The question was who was the most recently drafted QB at number 1 to have won a SB. You can change the wording to have a different answer.

 

[BigBull17]

Aikman was taken after Elway yes im not dumb, but Elway was chronolgically the last #1 pick to win the SB. Taken befor Aikman but won SB after Aikman

 

[Jack Bauer]

Aikman was taken after Elway yes im not dumb, but Elway was chronolgically the last #1 pick to win the SB. Taken befor Aikman but won SB after Aikman

The point is: this was not what the other poster was saying.

When was the last QB taken 1st overall and won a superbowl? Troy Aikman. 1989.

 

[BigBull17]

Whatever...

 

[LBC_Justin]

Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, LaDanian Tomlinson, Rudi Johnson, Larry Johnson, Thomas Jones, Domanick Davis, Cadillac Williams, and Willis McGahee...

I did a quick search.

Guess what I found out. Running backs in college are not used as work horses in like they are in the NFL.

Like I said this was a quick search. These are some of the younger guys so it was easy to find their college stats. I could not find stats on the others but I am sure it will show the same results. (Feel free to look it up)

Cadillac Williams averaged 17 carries a game in college
Willis McGahee averaged 16 carries a game in college
Larry Johnson averaged 10 carries a game in college
Domanick Davis averaged 10 carries a game in college

Another interesting Reggie Bush stat
He is averaging 2 yards per carry better than almost ALL of these great running backs did in college!!!!!!! And he is a much more dangerous reciever than any of them were in college. WOW!!!!

After that research I think I just talked myself out of wanting Vince Young.

 

[tulexan]

No way Larry Johnson only averaged 10 carries a game. Didn't he get 2000 yards one season?

 

[pskinny]

I was just stating who the last #1 overall pick to win Superbowl. It was Elway.

Wrong again. Marshall Faulk was the last number 1 pick to win the Superbowl. He was drafted in 1994 but won it in 2000 or 2001?

 

[tulexan]

Faulk was the #2 overall pick

 

[LBC_Justin]

Good Point! Also when was the last time a running back taken 1st over all won a super bowl?..................
..................................................
................................................... NONE!!!

The top picked running back in the draft is often the foundation of many many great teams.

Just a few of the Top picked Running Backs in the last 30 years or so.

Franco Harris
Walter Payton
John Riggins
OJ Simpson
Earl Campbell
Ottis Anderson
Eric Dickerson
Bo Jackson
Barry Sanders
Marshall Faulk
Warrick Dunn
Edgerrin James
Jamal Lewis
LaDainian Tomlinson
Willis McGahee

Here is the real kicker almost everyone of these guys average a little over 6 yards per carry in College. Reggie push is average well over 8 yards per carry in College. Statistically Reggie Bush is the best college running back to ever come out of college.

 

[BigBull17]

Wrong again. Marshall Faulk was the last number 1 pick to win the Superbowl. He was drafted in 1994 but won it in 2000 or 2001?

I was talkin QB's but thanks for the info.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Magic? Seriously? hall of fame....magic.....gale sayers.....legacy...dynasty

All of the hyperbole is making my stomach churn

And you think all the VY hype isn't making the rest of us sick.
Some ***** even went so far as to write the Chronicle this morning (tues) all but thanking his mother for getting pg and giving birth to superman.. ridiculous...
We need a emicon for a person gagging and throwing up.

 

[exclude]

There is far too much "Brokeback Mountain" type of love for VY and the sad part is that you hear most of it on radio, where 2 million other people actually believe it.

 

[LBC_Justin]

No way Larry Johnson only averaged 10 carries a game. Didn't he get 2000 yards one season?

For his college career he played in 46 games and had a total of 460 carries.

 

[cuppacoffee]

What he may have been talking about was Bush's tendancy to try and bounce to the outside if there is not a huge hole to run through. And Tiki Barber is the kind of back who goes into a pile and can appear out of the pile out of nowhere.

I've been so stoopid up to now.

Avoiding tacklers is bad.
Running into a gang of tacklers is good.

Now I understand.

 

[exclude]

For his college career he played in 46 games and had a total of 460 carries.

That is amazing!! God, if we don't draft Bush....

 

[tulexan]

For his college career he played in 46 games and had a total of 460 carries.

That is a little misleading because I am sure when he was a freshman and maybe even the beginning of his sophomore season he didn't get many carries.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Here is a good stat. How many QB's from Texas that were drafted #1 overall have won a Super Bowl?

...

 

[Bubbajwp]

From Peter King:

"Reggie Bush Stat of the Day That Bob McNair and Charley Casserly Do Not Want to Hear: In 39 college games, Bush carried the ball more than 20 times only twice."

BUSH'S 2005 PLAYS OF 20+ YARDS


Hawaii 2 (41 TD, 20)
Arkansas 1 (65)
Notre Dame 5 (36 TD, 21, 45 TD, 22, 20)
Washington 2 (84 TD, 21)
Stanford 1 (42)
California 1 (20)
Fresno St. 10 (28, 65, 30, 21, 35, 45 TD, 25, 50 TD, 20, 43)

2005 (Jr.)... 33
Not sure how accurate this is I found if on Yahoo.

 

[tulexan]

You forgot a few games because I know for a fact that he had a few against UCLA and he a few against Texas

 

[LBC_Justin]

That is a little misleading because I am sure when he was a freshman and maybe even the beginning of his sophomore season he didn't get many carries.

Larry Johnson had 271 carries for 2087 yards, while Bush had 200 carries for 1740 yards. But if you look at the stats Penn State didn't have another running back with a significant amount of carries. Let alone did he have to share the back field with a fellow 1st round pick.

Both are Studs and i would love to have Larry Johnson on my team too.

 

[tulexan]

I agree. Larry Johnson is the real deal. I think he has a legitimate shot at 2000 yards next season.

 

[exclude]

Larry Johnson had 271 carries for 2087 yards, while Bush had 200 carries for 1740 yards. But if you look at the stats Penn State didn't have another running back with a significant amount of carries. Let alone did he have to share the back field with a fellow 1st round pick.

Both are Studs and i would love to have Larry Johnson on my team too.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

This is by far the best comparison between a current and future stud.

Great Job, lbc!!!

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

You forgot a few games because I know for a fact that he had a few against UCLA and he a few against Texas

When you fumble...err....pitch it and then it turns into a fumble, you do not credit for the yardage.
The TD was not 20yrd out (I think)

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

Larry Johnson had 271 carries for 2087 yards, while Bush had 200 carries for 1740 yards. But if you look at the stats Penn State didn't have another running back with a significant amount of carries. Let alone did he have to share the back field with a fellow 1st round pick.

Both are Studs and i would love to have Larry Johnson on my team too.

I remember when L. Johnson came out. All the experts were saying that he was a homerun hitter against poor d's and struggled emensely against good d's. His sr season he had no 100 games against what was considered teams with good d's.

You just never know how these players are gonna translate in the pro's.

 

[Jack Bauer]

When you fumble...err....pitch it and then it turns into a fumble, you do not credit for the yardage.
The TD was not 20yrd out (I think)

Yes you do (that was a 35 yard reception) and the TD was 26 yards.

 

[tulexan]

Yes you do (that was a reception) and the TD was 26 yards.

I believe he also had a 20 yard play at the end of the game.

 

[Jack Bauer]

I believe he also had a 20 yard play at the end of the game.

You are correct, another 20+ yard play. I looked at the play-by-play on that one and it was a 26 yard reception (USC 31 to Texas 43).

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

Yes you do (that was a 35 yard reception) and the TD was 26 yards.

You're right, My bad. I looked it up.http://www.ncaa.org/library/statistical/football_stats_manual/2005/2005_football_stats_manual.pdf

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[CaptainPatriot]

The top picked running back in the draft is often the foundation of many many great teams.

Just a few of the Top picked Running Backs in the last 30 years or so.

Franco Harris
Walter Payton
John Riggins
OJ Simpson
Earl Campbell
Ottis Anderson
Eric Dickerson
Bo Jackson
Barry Sanders
Marshall Faulk
Warrick Dunn
Edgerrin James
Jamal Lewis
LaDainian Tomlinson
Willis McGahee

Here is the real kicker almost everyone of these guys average a little over 6 yards per carry in College. Reggie push is average well over 8 yards per carry in College. Statistically Reggie Bush is the best college running back to ever come out of college.

This is true but they weren`t taken #1 over all in their draft year. Like they are trying to do with Bush

 

[tulexan]

Earl Campbell was taken #1 overall

 

[LBC_Justin]

This is true but they weren`t taken #1 over all in their draft year. Like they are trying to do with Bush

Agreed.
The point is the top Running Back in the draft not only turns out to be a good player but often turns out to be the cornerstone of a championship team.

I can't recall a single top running back EVER busting because of lack of talent. Injury is always what brings them down.

 

[CaptainPatriot]

Agreed.
The point is the top Running Back in the draft not only turns out to be a good player but often turns out to be the cornerstone of a championship team.

I can't recall a single top running back EVER busting because of lack of talent. Injury is always what brings them down.

true with injuries that`s why I would never draft a back high in the draft. T.D . of the Broncos was a steal. Always a decent RB in 2nd and 3rd round. Long as there is decent O-Line. All you need is 3.4 yds a down to keep chains moving. Plus with salary cap you pay that much for a high 1st rounder and he gets injured and your all done. You have to save some of that money for decent backups.

 

[CaptainPatriot]

Marshall Faulk? 1994?? When was the last QB taken 1st overall and won a superbowl? Troy Aikman. 1989.

Faulk wasn`t taken 1st overall in the Draft that yr

 

[CaptainPatriot]

The top picked running back in the draft is often the foundation of many many great teams.

Just a few of the Top picked Running Backs in the last 30 years or so.

Franco Harris
Walter Payton
John Riggins
OJ Simpson
Earl Campbell
Ottis Anderson
Eric Dickerson
Bo Jackson
Barry Sanders
Marshall Faulk
Warrick Dunn
Edgerrin James
Jamal Lewis
LaDainian Tomlinson
Willis McGahee

Here is the real kicker almost everyone of these guys average a little over 6 yards per carry in College. Reggie push is average well over 8 yards per carry in College. Statistically Reggie Bush is the best college running back to ever come out of college.

Looking back at your list the RB`s that have Won the Super Bowl. The 1 thing they have in common is they had great defenses. Except for Faulk they had a ok Defense.
I guess what it comes down to. Is if you want intertaining football go for the talented back in the 1st round. If you want Championships build your Defense in the 1st rounds

 

[pskinny]

Faulk wasn`t taken 1st overall in the Draft that yr

You're right. He was 2nd. My bad CP.

 

[run-david-run]

LMAO!!! "know who I'm talking to"?!

You reply to me with...



...and from this I'm supposed to deduct that your opinion is more valid that those that are paid to do it professionally?!

Please, educate me with your impressive resume of NFL talent scouting. And all this time I thought you were just another anonymous perp on an internet forum.

PLease educatee me with the talent scouting abilities of ESPN... just becasue NFLive says he will be great does not make it true. All the talking heads said Ryan Leaf should be in consideration for the #1 along with Peyton Manning, how did that work out?

 

[El Tejano]

Okay if Reggie is supposed to be a 20 touch guy, whose to say we cannot use the backs we currently have for that purpose? I actually would like to see what Morency can do with the new coach. I think we forget the potential of veterans we have in our backfield. I know, Reggie can break it all the way. Well then how come he can run all over pro defenses but Young can't?

 

[texplayer2]

Okay if Reggie is supposed to be a 20 touch guy, whose to say we cannot use the backs we currently have for that purpose? I actually would like to see what Morency can do with the new coach. I think we forget the potential of veterans we have in our backfield. I know, Reggie can break it all the way. Well then how come he can run all over pro defenses but Young can't?

It is not the run all over them effect as much as them having to cover him and watch the QB. With Young the defense could do what they did to Carr this year. Defensive Huddle at the QB.

 

[exclude]

.... I know, Reggie can break it all the way. Well then how come he can run all over pro defenses but Young can't?

Young won't run around NFl defenses because he's not as quick.

The only reason Vick is surviving now without his passing game is he has Bush-like quickness.

Young is smoove, silky smoove and his style of play, if he decides to be a runner like Vick, will get him killed.

Young would have to be a pocket passer first, runner second, but see I don't think its in his nature to be like that. Remember,the UT coaching staff had to change the offense to accomodate VY's style?? Drafting VY will force the Texans to change into that style of offense and I don't know if our team is built for the spread-option since that type of offense REALLY REALLY good Tackles.

 

[Double Barrel]

PLease educatee me with the talent scouting abilities of ESPN... just becasue NFLive says he will be great does not make it true. All the talking heads said Ryan Leaf should be in consideration for the #1 along with Peyton Manning, how did that work out?

Far more professional NFL scouts than the talking heads at ESPN have rated Reggie Bush as one of the great college prospects (same for Young, too). Perhaps you would do well to get more than basic cable. There are other sources of sports news out there beyond the tip of your nose.

With regards to your Ryan Leaf blast, what guarantee is there that either Bush or Young will have Hall of Fame careers? There are no guarantees in the NFL.

 

[Bayern]

Oh my god.

Allright I got to about page 3 and said screw it and came to the end.

I am a Bush supporter. That being said I am responding to the "can he handle the 20 carry load." Folks correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Tampa Bay take the same risk last year with ROTY Cadillac Williams (who split the time with starter Ronnie Brown in college)?

For that matter (and with the exception of the Rose Bowl) why should USC of given the ball to Bush more than those 15 carries and thus take away White's carries? Pete Carroll easily split them perfectly down the middle, kept both fresh, and completely went undefeated for all those games.

I just don't see this argument that he CAN'T handle the load. When the hell has he had to prove that?

 

[exclude]

Oh my god.

Allright I got to about page 3 and said screw it and came to the end.

I am a Bush supporter. That being said I am responding to the "can he handle the 20 carry load." Folks correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Tampa Bay take the same risk last year with ROTY Cadillac Williams (who split the time with starter Ronnie Brown in college)?

For that matter (and with the exception of the Rose Bowl) why should USC of given the ball to Bush more than those 15 carries and thus take away White's carries? Pete Carroll easily split them perfectly down the middle, kept both fresh, and completely went undefeated for all those games.

I just don't see this argument that he CAN'T handle the load. When the hell has he had to prove that?

Amen to that!!