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Interesting Reggie Bush stat

Nighthawk

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From Peter King:

"Reggie Bush Stat of the Day That Bob McNair and Charley Casserly Do Not Want to Hear: In 39 college games, Bush carried the ball more than 20 times only twice."
 
Nighthawk said:
From Peter King:

"Reggie Bush Stat of the Day That Bob McNair and Charley Casserly Do Not Want to Hear: In 39 college games, Bush carried the ball more than 20 times only twice."

Why wouldn't they want to hear it? I think they already know this. Quick, give me five running backs who average more than 20 carries in a game in the NFL?
 
Well what people are going to argue is that most backs in the NFL don't even carry the ball 20 times (anymore)....with that being said, I'd take Vince over him for the simple fact that he will have the ball in his hands every single snap.
 
thats been a known stat since before we had the #1 pick.

He only gets 15 carries a game or so. He touches the ball more with the dump off passes.

He would be one half of a dual threat with him and DD sharing carries. Each getting about 15 a game. Would keep both of them fresh and solve the durability issues DD has been having.
 
Grid said:
He would be one half of a dual threat with him and DD sharing carries. Each getting about 15 a game. Would keep both of them fresh and solve the durability issues DD has been having.

And you want to build the team around that? You must be dreaming.
 
How many games did Domanick Davis carry the ball 20 times in college?

Most already agree that he won't be a 20 carry back. What he will be is a 25 touch back. He will get some plays at wide out and in the slot and possibly punt returns in addition to being a running back.
 
Bush and McNair would be dynamite...................I think you guys should do whatever it takes to put the heat on bob Mcnair to take VY..............
 
Zephyr said:
Why wouldn't they want to hear it? I think they already know this. Quick, give me five running backs who average more than 20 carries in a game in the NFL?

Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, LaDanian Tomlinson, Rudi Johnson, Larry Johnson, Thomas Jones, Domanick Davis, Cadillac Williams, and Willis McGahee...
 
This compared to a freak of nature and talent who will touch the ball every down. This is not a difficult decision. It's easy. VY is the pick. Easy.
 
I am floored that you guys really want to give up RBush.............but man am I happy to hear it......................
 
hmm.. no I dont want to build a team around that. I want to give my team that luxury. Im not arguing that we should build our team around anyone. We just need to add useful talent to our team and keep getting better.
 
Nighthawk said:
From Peter King:

"Reggie Bush Stat of the Day That Bob McNair and Charley Casserly Do Not Want to Hear: In 39 college games, Bush carried the ball more than 20 times only twice."


ahhhhh, but it's what he could do with that 20 times that might be magic. :hmmm:
 
Double Barrel said:
ahhhhh, but it's what he could do with that 20 times that might be magic. :hmmm:

Magic? Seriously? hall of fame....magic.....gale sayers.....legacy...dynasty

All of the hyperbole is making my stomach churn
 
Double Barrel said:
ahhhhh, but it's what he could do with that 20 times that might be magic. :hmmm:
want another stat................look at RBush yds per attempt...................then come back and talk to me...............and then compare his yds per attempt to any other RB in history..............then come back and talk this silliness about a QB named VY........................
 
Bongo59 said:
want another stat................look at RBush yds per attempt...................then come back and talk to me...............and then compare his yds per attempt to any other RB in history..............then come back and talk this silliness about a QB named VY........................

You want him on the titans? freaking take him. Enjoy your bust running back and your old quarterback. I'll take young any day.
 
swtbound07 said:
You want him on the titans? freaking take him. Enjoy your bust running back and your old quarterback. I'll take young any day.
Dude i will come to Houston and Kiss Bob McNairs hind quarters on the 50 yd line of Reliant if you pass on Bush..............and I am not lying.
 
Bongo59 said:
Dude i will come to Houston and Kiss Bob McNairs **** on the 50 yd line of Reliant if you pass on Bush..............and I am not lying.

i hope you get your wish? and if he was taht good, new orleans would take him before you got a chance
 
swtbound07 said:
Magic? Seriously? hall of fame....magic.....gale sayers.....legacy...dynasty

All of the hyperbole is making my stomach churn

Please note the "might" in my previous statement. :ok:

I'm not on anyone's bandwagon, to be honest. I see great potential in both Bush and Young.

By all accounts, and this goes from talking heads to proven NFL analysts and scouts, Bush is the REAL DEAL. So please don't belittle him because you're high on Young.

There is room for both of them to be great someday. :)
 
Bush actually carried the ball more than Lendale White did this year. It was only 3 more carries (200 vs. 197, 3042yds combined), so you could say that the two split the carries. Either way, that's a pretty potent 1-2 punch.

King should also note that those two games where Bush got 20+ carries, he went nuts.

Fresno St. - 23 Carries 294 yards
UCLA - 24 Carries 260 Yards

He had another game where he had 20 carries for a pathetic 122 yards (sarcasm) against Oregon.
 
Double Barrel said:
Please note the "might" in my previous statement. :ok:

I'm not on anyone's bandwagon, to be honest. I see great potential in both Bush and Young.

By all accounts, and this goes from talking heads to proven NFL analysts and scouts, Bush is the REAL DEAL. So please don't belittle him because you're high on Young.
There is room for both of them to be great someday. :)


unfair analysis. Know who your talking to. I was down on bush when i was in the dbrick camp. There is room for both to be great. I just dont think one will be. Have always thought this. I trust me more than i trust talking heads.
 
Zephyr said:
Why wouldn't they want to hear it? I think they already know this.


Are you sure about that ..... They didnt seem to know that PBurnt couldnt ...errr Wouldnt tackle before giving up 2nd & 3rd rounders for him .


Casserly ..... Dont screw this up .......please :ok:
 
swtbound07 said:
unfair analysis. Know who your talking to. I was down on bush when i was in the dbrick camp. There is room for both to be great. I just dont think one will be. Have always thought this. I trust me more than i trust talking heads.

LMAO!!! lol: "know who I'm talking to"?! :heh:

You reply to me with...

Magic? Seriously? hall of fame....magic.....gale sayers.....legacy...dynasty

All of the hyperbole is making my stomach churn

...and from this I'm supposed to deduct that your opinion is more valid that those that are paid to do it professionally?!

Please, educate me with your impressive resume of NFL talent scouting. And all this time I thought you were just another anonymous perp on an internet forum. :hmmm:
 
Why would Reggie Bush carry the ball 20 times at USC??? They have LenDale White who shared the load with him. I'm sure if he had to carry the ball 20 times he could easily have done that. What is important is that he get's the opportunity to touch the ball whether it is in the running or passing game. If Bush carries the ball 13 or 14 times a game for us and makes the big plays that he did with USC, I won't have a problem with it at all. Plus you know he's going to catch some balls out of the backfield.
 
I'm dizzy...stop this merry-go-round. Its amazing that people have any doubts about the best 2 athletes to ever enter the draft at the same time. Don't take Bust because VY's a bust, don't take VY because Bush is a bust...wow!

I would love to see VY in Texan gear just for what he has outside of athletic ability, but I'm not going to cry if Bush is here instead...although a declaration is way over due! Have we lost our minds? Thank God we only have until 4/29 to beat this horse to death. Give an inch and...ah, nevermind...
 
RBush
Stat Overview Rushing Receiving Fumbles
YEAR ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2003 90 521 5.8 58 3 15 314 20.9 60 4 0 0
2004 143 908 6.4 81 6 43 509 11.8 69 7 0 0
2005 200 1740 8.7 76 16 37 478 12.9 43 2 0 0
2005 Game Log Rushing Receiving Fumbles
DATE OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
9/3 @Hawaii W 63-17 12 86 7.2 41 2 4 58 14.5 20 0 0 0
9/17 Arkansas W 70-17 8 125 15.6 76 1 3 70 23.3 40 1 0 0
9/24 @Oregon W 45-13 20 122 6.1 38 1 3 43 14.3 19 1 0 0
10/1 @Ar Ste W 38-28 17 158 9.3 34 2 1 4 4.0 4 0 0 0
10/8 Arizona W 42-21 14 110 7.9 65 0 2 16 8.0 10 0 0 0
10/15 @Notre Dame W 34-31 15 160 10.7 45 3 4 35 8.8 13 0 0 0
10/22 @Washington W 51-24 8 51 6.4 11 1 2 18 9.0 12 0 0 0
10/29 Washington State W 55-13 17 97 5.7 14 0 4 40 10.0 17 0 0 0
11/5 Stanford W 51-21 12 113 9.4 42 1 4 27 6.8 9 0 0 0
11/12 @California W 35-10 17 82 4.8 20 0 1 4 4.0 4 0 0 0
11/19 Fresno State W 50-42 23 294 12.8 65 2 3 68 22.7 43 0 0 0
12/3 UCLA W 66-19 24 260 10.8 65 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
The Rose Bowl @Texas L 41-38 13 82 6.3 26 1 6 95 15.8 37 0 0 0
 
Bush only carrying the ball x amount of times does not worry me at all and I am not in the draft Bush camp.

The guy can flat out play. In the event he is drafted by the Texans, I will be happy about that stat.
 
8.6 a carry
longs per game of: 78, 65, 65, 65, 45, 42, 41, 38, 34 . . . . not one game this year without a long over 10 yards.
 
Double Barrel said:
LMAO!!! lol: "know who I'm talking to"?! :heh:

You reply to me with...



...and from this I'm supposed to deduct that your opinion is more valid that those that are paid to do it professionally?!

Please, educate me with your impressive resume of NFL talent scouting. And all this time I thought you were just another anonymous perp on an internet forum. :hmmm:


no, your supposed to not make a generalization about my motivation. It is easy for you to say im bashing bush because i want young. Thats not true. As for my impressive scouting resume.....i got drunk with our pro scout once...does that count?
 
Nighthawk said:
From Peter King:

"Reggie Bush Stat of the Day That Bob McNair and Charley Casserly Do Not Want to Hear: In 39 college games, Bush carried the ball more than 20 times only twice."

And why is this a relevant stat? Is it because Bush couldn't shoulder the load, or is it because USC had two stud Rbs and Pete Carroll wanted them to split carries. Bush has shown nothing to lead anyone to believe that he couldn't carry the ball 20 times a game.
 
Funny how the Vince Young peeps point to his improvement, but acknowledge Reggie's improvement in every rushing category.
 
swtbound07 said:
As for my impressive scouting resume.....i got drunk with our pro scout once...does that count?

Depends on who was buying the drinks. ;) Part of being a scout is finding the next mark.
 
All this how many times he carries the ball mess is driving me insane.. Who cares if he only carried it 15 yards per game..

this guy still has 1700yards rushing and that's with 15 rushes per game, and splitting the carries with LenDale White.. so imagine what he could with 25-30 carries a game at college..

hmmmmm 3000 yards rushing.. come on now. oh my God that is soooo medicore (sarcasm)... be honest this guy is the REAL DEAL..
 
I still think his style will not translate well into the NFL. And we saw what he did against UT, probably the best defense he faced this season.
 
Grid said:
hmm.. no I dont want to build a team around that. I want to give my team that luxury. Im not arguing that we should build our team around anyone. We just need to add useful talent to our team and keep getting better.

We should add some talent at QB while it's available, maybe? Just a thought.
 
Nawzer said:
Why would Reggie Bush carry the ball 20 times at USC??? They have LenDale White who shared the load with him. I'm sure if he had to carry the ball 20 times he could easily have done that. What is important is that he get's the opportunity to touch the ball whether it is in the running or passing game. If Bush carries the ball 13 or 14 times a game for us and makes the big plays that he did with USC, I won't have a problem with it at all. Plus you know he's going to catch some balls out of the backfield.

Bush would be a fine pick IF WE HAD A FIRST RATE QB. We don't. It's that simple.
 
The Dream said:
Well what people are going to argue is that most backs in the NFL don't even carry the ball 20 times (anymore)....with that being said, I'd take Vince over him for the simple fact that he will have the ball in his hands every single snap.


Good Point! Also when was the last time a running back taken 1st over all won a super bowl?..................
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................................................... NONE!!!
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Depends on who was buying the drinks. ;) Part of being a scout is finding the next mark.

"And you got these f-ing claws and these fangs, man! And you're looking at your claws and you're looking at your fangs. And you're thinking to yourself, you don't know what to do, man. "I don't know how to kill the bunny." With *this* you don't know how to kill the bunny, do you know what I mean?"
 
CaptainPatriot said:
Good Point! Also when was the last time a running back taken 1st over all won a super bowl?..................
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................................................... NONE!!!


Here is a good stat. How many QB's from Texas that were drafted #1 overall have won a Super Bowl?
 
texan279 said:
I still think his style will not translate well into the NFL. And we saw what he did against UT, probably the best defense he faced this season.


This is something that bothers me about Bush as well , I just dont see him pounding the ball between the tackles or taking on a tackler to get the extra yards ... There is NO Question about his elusiveness and speed once he gets in space but .... you have to get there first .
I think a lot of his success / failure in the NFL will be directly attributed to the system he's in and how he's used .

:tv:
 
Tiki Barber isn't that big (roughly same size as Bush) and he is the second leading rusher in the league.
 
corrosion said:
This is something that bothers me about Bush as well , I just dont see him pounding the ball between the tackles or taking on a tackler to get the extra yards ... There is NO Question about his elusiveness and speed once he gets in space but .... you have to get there first .
I think a lot of his success / failure in the NFL will be directly attributed to the system he's in and how he's used .

:tv:

I have been anti Bush since the hype started. But if Kubiak became our head coach and brings in the right personnel for the zone blocking, I think Bush would do well here.
 
corrosion said that his style of not pounding between the tackles might not translate to NFL success.

Well Tiki Barber is the same size and doesn't pound between the tackles and is the second leading rusher in the league.
 
tulexan said:
corrosion said that his style of not pounding between the tackles might not translate to NFL success.

Well Tiki Barber is the same size and doesn't pound between the tackles and is the second leading rusher in the league.

What he may have been talking about was Bush's tendancy to try and bounce to the outside if there is not a huge hole to run through. And Tiki Barber is the kind of back who goes into a pile and can appear out of the pile out of nowhere.
 
CaptainPatriot said:
Good Point! Also when was the last time a running back taken 1st over all won a super bowl?..................
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................................................... NONE!!!

Marshall Faulk? 1994?? When was the last QB taken 1st overall and won a superbowl? Troy Aikman. 1989.
 
pskinny said:
Marshall Faulk? 1994?? When was the last QB taken 1st overall and won a superbowl? Troy Aikman. 1989.

All comparisions should be done within the salary cap era in mind which started in 1993.
 
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