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Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Wolf said:
would yall be happy if DD got 1400 yards and 9 (4.4 average) and Carr completed 60%of his passes passed 3000 yards and had 20 TD's and 19 INTS?
would that make you happy for the season and this would be a successful season?
In a heartbeat, for next season.
Wolf said:
would yall be happy if DD got 1400 yards and 9 (4.4 average) and Carr completed 60%of his passes passed 3000 yards and had 20 TD's and 19 INTS?
would that make you happy for the season and this would be a successful season?
What was our record during this season? Scoreboard baby. That's the only numbers I care about.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Wolf said:
But you said 20 TD's.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Wolf said:
would yall be happy if DD got 1400 yards and 9 tds(4.4 average)
Yes
No
I don't know--how did the other 51 players play?
TexanBacker93
Veteran
Wolf said:
would yall be happy if DD got 1400 yards and 9 tds(4.4 average) and Carr completed 60%of his passes passed 3000 yards and had 20 TD's and 19 INTS?
would that make you happy for the season and this would be a successful season?
It depends on how the team does. I don't mind seeing low personal statistics if the team wins games. I don't want high stats and a bunch of losses either. If the Texans win 16 games I'll be happy. Ok, I'll be happy if they win 8, but the same goes for doubling that.
I don't know if I'd be happy with Carr throwing 19 INTs, though. He's kept his INTs low so far. I'd be more impressed with 20 TDs and 11 INTs. I think he should be able to get 3500 yards again too. Remember he had a 3500yd, 16/14 year 2 seasons ago. He should be able to improve upon those numbers not the ones he threw out last season. He's been over 60% completion percent the last 2 years; he should be looking to get that into the 64% range.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Wolf said:
60% completion with 19 int's would suggest that it would not all be on the QB, except if your last name is Favre. Moreover, 3k out of DC is an accomplishment per his measureables as a Texan to date.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Wolf said:
I will take it, anything that approaches his career highs will benefit our overall success.
CajunTexan
Waterboy
Wolf said:
I believe Carr's INT total will go up this year simply because we will take more shots downfield.
If he has 19 INT's, I would need to see 25-35 TD's.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
This Carr thread has been alive for 25 minutes and SWTBound hasn't responded to it? AMAZING. Let's chalk this up as a MB record, how bout it?
Stats from Carr that will make me smile:
>20 TD
<15 INT
3500+ Yards
Anything greater than that just reiterates my position when it comes to Carr. And by now I know that every single one of you knows my feelings when it comes to our QB.
Carr haters wanna go at it tonight? I'm game!
Stats from Carr that will make me smile:
>20 TD
<15 INT
3500+ Yards
Anything greater than that just reiterates my position when it comes to Carr. And by now I know that every single one of you knows my feelings when it comes to our QB.
Carr haters wanna go at it tonight? I'm game!
JAXwithanX
Waterboy
anyone who would be truly happy with only one more touchdown than interception and worse, 19 in total, is crazy. especially if he was a big enough part of the O to throw for over 3000 yards.
DD better be rushing for 15 touchdowns as well. with 2 fumbles (not likely).
DD better be rushing for 15 touchdowns as well. with 2 fumbles (not likely).
TwinSisters
Veteran
Wolf said:
would yall be happy if DD got 1400 yards and 9 tds(4.4 average) and Carr completed 60%of his passes passed 3000 yards and had 20 TD's and 19 INTS?
would that make you happy for the season and this would be a successful season?
Don't care what Davis gets.
Beat the Colts.
For crying out loud to the gods of football, don't get beat by both Mannings.
Don't lose to Capers.
Beat a Cowboy team with a winning record.
be down 24-3 at the half against the Patriots and Brady. And then watch a ride to victory on the arm of a QB. Would even be okay if Carr was able to drive the ball within field goal range. Then Brown puts it away as the clock expires.
Throw 50 INTs... I could care less. Carr already has more INTs then TDs and it doesn't mean much. If you throw one, then throw it again and keep throwing it until you win.
5-11 and that season would have already passed every high watermark that we have set so far. That would be 4 to 5 teams dropped by the Texans that had a winning record.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
I could care less if carr throws for 50 tds....All I want is 8-8. If he can do that, I'll lay off him....if he can't, then he needs to leave.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
TwinSisters said:
This post has a cynical yet seemingly positive meaning behind it. There is a good point that lies within that..... who cares what Carr does anyways? He isn't the only guy on that field. We need to win games, with or without a performing QB. You guys know that I believe he will soar next year.... but that doesn't mean I think we will lose without him.
Good post TwinSisters, for some odd reason it seemed to make me a little more objective about my outlook on this season.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Wolf said:makes sense.... Carr is responsible for 22+ other men to get their jobs done...
Carr does his job well, it makes the rest of the teams job easier.....unless you are blaming the other 22+ men on the field for every loss?
3000 yards is not the kind of numbers I expect to see from a good WCO QB.... might I point out Aaron Brooks avgs about 3500 a year, or something like that.... and he isn't a good WCO QB. So I expect more than 3000 yards from David.
But if he looks good.....
command the team (and they have to respect his command on the field, not this lip service we've been getting in the locker room, through the media, or on the sideline).
I've always thought of David as a pocket passer........ I'm hearing I was wrong about that, and that he is actually better, when allowed to buy time.. or move out of the pocket(as a QB, not as a rusher)...... So if I see that in '06, and he does look like that's the style he ought to be playing... then I'd be happy with that.
Poise..... he's got to understand the blitz is coming..... 4 years, he should know by now. Can he avoid every sack?? no. but I don't want to see 1 sack that he caused on a weekly basis... every now & then, fine.
and I don't care if he throws more interceptions than TDs....... I mean I'd like for him too, but I'd much rather see a high interception count, than a high sack count....
DD........ I'm thinking 2000 total yards if he starts the season healthy..... 1400, if he misses half the season.
But if he looks good.....
command the team (and they have to respect his command on the field, not this lip service we've been getting in the locker room, through the media, or on the sideline).
I've always thought of David as a pocket passer........ I'm hearing I was wrong about that, and that he is actually better, when allowed to buy time.. or move out of the pocket(as a QB, not as a rusher)...... So if I see that in '06, and he does look like that's the style he ought to be playing... then I'd be happy with that.
Poise..... he's got to understand the blitz is coming..... 4 years, he should know by now. Can he avoid every sack?? no. but I don't want to see 1 sack that he caused on a weekly basis... every now & then, fine.
and I don't care if he throws more interceptions than TDs....... I mean I'd like for him too, but I'd much rather see a high interception count, than a high sack count....
DD........ I'm thinking 2000 total yards if he starts the season healthy..... 1400, if he misses half the season.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
HJam72 said:
yes. if we can't be a .500 team with carr as qb i want him gone. as simple as that.
It depends on how he looks..... I still think 6 years is a long time, but if he looks like part of the problem for that 5-12 season..... then he's got to go.
Let me add, that I honestly expect 10 wins in '06....... of course, that is without seeing a Preseason game, or attennding training camp.
by September 10th, my expectations may very well drop to 5-12.... for whatever reason........six years is a long time, but if he is definitely showing progress, I'll wait 8 years..... what else are you gonna do??
I'll look at each player, and I'll give you my honest opinion of what I think we should do.
Let me add, that I honestly expect 10 wins in '06....... of course, that is without seeing a Preseason game, or attennding training camp.
by September 10th, my expectations may very well drop to 5-12.... for whatever reason........six years is a long time, but if he is definitely showing progress, I'll wait 8 years..... what else are you gonna do??
I'll look at each player, and I'll give you my honest opinion of what I think we should do.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
swtbound07 said:
Haha. Beautifully orchestrated, Mr. SWTBound. Bravo!
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Wolf said:
Marino never got it done. So if you follow logic, Marino was not the proper qb to get the dolphins to a super bowl. how do i know this? he never did. If your goal is gaudy stats, sure, Carr might get there one day. But he won't ever get a ring, and thats what I want out of this franchise.....if your happy with 5-11 seasons as long as your boy throws for 3500 20/10 then have at it....i wont accept that.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
swtbound07 said:
Wrong buddy... he did. He went, and lost. Time to read up on a little Super Bowl history I think.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
TexansLucky13 said:
A little careless with my typing....I meant a ring and a trophy, and I think its pretty clear what I meant, but fine I'll restate.
Marino was not the correct quarterback to get the dolphins to WIN a superbowl. My overlying point still remains.
TexanFan881
All Pro
swtbound07 said:
Believe it or not Marino wasn't the whole team.
The Miami Dolphins as a whole were not the team to win a Super bowl
Like everyone keeps emphasizing it's not one player that makes or breaks a team. If a QB and his offense puts up 35 poinst and they lose, that is not the QBs fault. T
he Dolphins D allowed 38 points in the loss in the Super Bowl. It is hard for any QB to put up more than 38 points when the D is not performing.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Only way I could possibly blame Dan Marino for the Dolphins problems is if he was taking so much money they couldn't pay to have a good enough team around him. Hey, ain't that Manning's problem? 
If Carr has a good year (stats wise) and seems to be improved, I really doubt I'm gonna want him out. It would take an obvious problem with his attitude or personality. I don't even agree that a QB necessarilly has to be a leader, but it does help. A good season by Carr and a losing record would mean that some other facet of the team really stunk--like the running game or more likely (I guess) the secondary. I'm not blaming Carr for bad pass coverage. Can't do it.
I do expect to see improvement though. Obvious improvement.
If Carr has a good year (stats wise) and seems to be improved, I really doubt I'm gonna want him out. It would take an obvious problem with his attitude or personality. I don't even agree that a QB necessarilly has to be a leader, but it does help. A good season by Carr and a losing record would mean that some other facet of the team really stunk--like the running game or more likely (I guess) the secondary. I'm not blaming Carr for bad pass coverage. Can't do it.
I do expect to see improvement though. Obvious improvement.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
HJam72 said:Only way I could possibly blame Dan Marino for the Dolphins problems is if he was taking so much money they couldn't pay to have a good enough team around him. Hey, ain't that Manning's problem?
Props to you buddy, PROPS! I have been saying that since day 1. DAY 1! Guys like Marino and Manning are a curse! I love you David!
TwinSisters
Veteran
HJam72 said:
Not me. It's not about going 5-12. It's about beating teams that need to be beat. Beating a bunch of loser teams is not going to cut it for me.
5-12 beating somebodies, not 7-9 or 8-8 beating a bunch of nobodies.
8-8 is going to be success for the team ( unfortunately against my wishes ).
Kubiak could survive on just 2-14 beating the Colts and Cowboys.
Kubiak going 8-8 while losing to the Cowboys, Dolphins, and the Colts will be bitter sweet.
If we are going 8-8 winning just against the Coonville ************ and the overachieving Jaguars, the Browns, and the Jets. Then I want to see that Carr is not the problem. I want to see him sticking out above the rest, not wallowing in mediocrity and setting pitiful NFL records for losers.
ccdude730
Veteran
pretty good article on the HT website about practice talking about carr and the offense.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2725§ion=N Latest News
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2725§ion=N Latest News
D-Vizzl
Waterboy
TK_Gamer said:
You seem to have the only reasonable expectations round here, at least IMO. If your td\int numbers are anywhere near each other that is a sure sign that either a bunch of tipped balls occured, or the QB's decision making is horrible. David Carr is capable of dominating with his arm, if you go back to his glory days per say (senior year at fresno) check those stats and get back to me about this 20 td 18 int aspirations. I will go out on a limb and say if he executes the offense the way he is supposed to then he could end up 3800 yds. 30-33 td's 11-13 int's 63% completion rate and a QB rating of 88-91 (okay that one may be to much to ask). Anything significantly less than that would show little or no progression and it's time to move on.
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
It's funny how easily you get "careless" with your typing when you give shotty info. I also find it interesting that of all the posts of yours that I read, that while you claim toswtbound07 said:
you rarely bring something new to the table , at least on Carr threads. I think at this point most people are immune to your tactic.
Wolf said:
gpshafer_1976 said:
TexanFan881 said:
gpshafer_1976 said:
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Originally Posted by Wolf
still I wonder ...21 other guys on the team too.
so if everyone's goal is a super bowl win.. so that makes marino/moon/tarkington/pastorini oh and better yet Earl Campbell a failure (Earl WAS the offense) etc..etc.
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Originally Posted by gpshafer_1976
........the Texans' success is directly tied to the success of David Carr.
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Originally Posted by gpshafer_1976
........the Texans' success is directly tied to the success of David Carr.
I don't get it.
still I wonder ...21 other guys on the team too.
so if everyone's goal is a super bowl win.. so that makes marino/moon/tarkington/pastorini oh and better yet Earl Campbell a failure (Earl WAS the offense) etc..etc.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gpshafer_1976
........the Texans' success is directly tied to the success of David Carr.
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Originally Posted by gpshafer_1976
........the Texans' success is directly tied to the success of David Carr.
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Originally Posted by TexanFan881
Believe it or not Marino wasn't the whole team.
The Miami Dolphins as a whole were not the team to win a Super bowl
Like everyone keeps emphasizing it's not one player that makes or breaks a team. If a QB and his offense puts up 35 poinst and they lose, that is not the QBs fault. T
he Dolphins D allowed 38 points in the loss in the Super Bowl. It is hard for any QB to put up more than 38 points when the D is not performing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gpshafer_1976
........the Texans' success is directly tied to the success of David Carr.
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Originally Posted by gpshafer_1976
........the Texans' success is directly tied to the success of David Carr.
thunderkyss said:
I don't get it.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
HJam72 said:I don't get it.
I don't get it.
