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I'm Worried About This Franchise

I think it is very difficult for an expansion team to consistently win until most of the team's original players have moved on. The culture of an expansion team is "play well" not "win". Too many players on our team are still satisifed with mediocre performance, as long as the game is close, we're fine. Hey get to 6-10 this year, OK.

We have a few players who HAVE to win, and we need more. Dunta Robinson HAS to win. Andre Johnson HAS to win. David Carr, OTOH, doesn't HAVE to win. He just needs to play well enough to keep his job and have a respectable showing. That's not how to get to a Super Bowl

It's obviously a step in the right direction ridding the team of Walker and Coleman. Probably a few more to go but I won't cite any names.
 
Bamboo said:
why do some of you quote the ENTIRE 1st post?

and you say vincent young isn't smart, hmmmmm.

this franchise will lose a lot of season ticket holding fans looking for a reason to support them by not drafting young. i am not so familiar with the draft bush or i am out group.
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I am a season ticket holder and will be there no matter who they draft, but we all know it wont be VY So get over it,,,
 
I'm not worried about this franchise.

They had dead weight in Dom Capers and basically the entire coaching staff except for Marciano who knows how to coach any group of talent that's placed in front of him. And McNair handled the coaching changes gracefully and tactfully, showing the league that we might not be winning NOW but that we're dedicated to treating our people fairly while they ARE here. That stuff doesn't win us more games last season, but it sure as heck goes a long way in drawing guys like Mike Sherman to this franchise, and it makes us a stronger attraction for top talent. Gotta' give it time guys...

If anything worries me, it's the whining about "drafting the home-town hero" that might take its toll on Mcnair and Casserly and thus leading them to seriously consider it as a very real option. Now that we're getting farther away from the Rose Bowl game, and the sensationalism for Young is fading away as time goes on, I think it's pretty obvious that Young's stock is dropping from being a possible No. 1 to more like a No. 5 or No. 6. :twocents:

If this team comes away with either Bush or trading down and grabbing 'Brick so a team can bump up and get Bush or Young (Jets, cough cough) and thus landing some extra picks, then I'm going to be happy about the direction of our franchise:

1. No Dom Capers and his "run, run, pass to the RB" style of football.
2. Kubiak and some fresh faces on the coaching staff
3. Bush or 'Brick (or Mario Williams or AJ Hawk)
4. More top picks in the first few rounds where talent is deep this year
5. And Houston pro football under the cap while the Titans cut more players

What's not to be happy about right now?
 
This is just off season talk, after a 2-14 season........ there's nothing to worry about. We're going to make a mistake in the 2006 draft, in FA, in TC, PreSeason, regular season, hopefully in the play-offs....... but that's the way things go. You can't make everybody happy, and Nobody should try. Vince, Reggie, D'Brick, Mario.... season ticket holders leaving.... whatever. I'm sure there are plenty of folks waiting for tickets now.

My votes for Vince....... I've tried to like David Carr, but I don't for whatever reason. I think Joey would've fit our team better. I think Vince will fit better. I like our backs, I like our recievers...... I like the 3-4, and I like Babin, Peak, Wong, Dunta, even Earl.

But I'm a Houston Texans' fan. One way or the other I'll find a way to enjoy watching them play on Sunday........ hopefully, they'll be begging us to play on Monday night one day. I'd love to watch them on a Saturday, Wildcard week perhaps?? I'd kill to watch them in February...
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
What's not to be happy about right now?
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David Carr is my team's highest paid player. That at this moment is the only thing that makes me unhappy. Hopefully Kubiak will help me get over it.
 
ClintonPortis26 said:
Casserly is an awfull GM. Just thought id tell you...Look back at all those years when he was with Washington. Yea that bad...
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We appreciate your promptness with that proclamation.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
David Carr is my team's highest paid player. That at this moment is the only thing that makes me unhappy. Hopefully Kubiak will help me get over it.
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K.T.....just curious, but on how many teams do you think the QB is the highest paid player? Whether they "deserve it" or not, many times with the position comes the big "coin".
 
CajunTexan said:
K.T.....just curious, but on how many teams do you think the QB is the highest paid player? Whether they "deserve it" or not, many times with the position comes the big "coin".
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I agree with that, but we had an option a month ago to correct that and we did not. It could very well be a great decision, but historicals don't support that optimism. Kubiak is a step in the right direction to allay that fear.
 
CajunTexan said:
... just curious, but on how many teams do you think the QB is the highest paid player?
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In 2004, in terms of cap hit, the answer is four. Vick, Favre, Manning, and McNabb.
 
Contract value - info I don't have readily available at the moment - is a better way to look at it, but the point is that QBs are not always the highest paid players on their teams in many, maybe even most cases, but of course they usually are among the highest.
 
Bamboo said:
this franchise will lose a lot of season ticket holding fans looking for a reason to support them by not drafting young. i am not so familiar with the draft bush or i am out group.
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I imagine for every season ticket holding fan that gives up his tickets in April there are about 5-10 fans that would gladly take the tickets.

only way I see a statement like that halfway work would be if the Rockets lost Yao Ming.. the revenue of rocket's stuff or should I say ming would be missed (in china not houston) but in houston there still would be sell outs and VY doesn't have the fan base as ming

I have no statistics, but I imagine the rocket's sales in jerseys/memorabila over there has to be pretty good.

Yet, I maybe talking out of my piehole
 
McNair should have probably gotten rid of Casserly when he let Capers go. I think that would have been the best move to be made.
 
Those who are implying that there are lines of people waiting to buy season tickets are a little delusional.

While I still think there is demand for Texans tickets, it certainly is much softer than ever before. Take a look at the secondary market for PSL's and you'll find folks who would be happy just to recoup the initial PSL investment they paid to the team. Note: PSL's worth less than when originally purchased is a bad thing.

The cost for getting on the Texan's ticket waiting list disappeared, and then the list itself disappeared. It has reappeared this year, but rest assured, there won't be people on it who are told to wait until next year for seats.

Finally, they started selling season tickets in PSL's to people without the requirement to purchase a PSL. I'm not sure if the person has the option to renew next year or not. It may be a right of first refusal thing like they do in Seattle, where you can purchase the season tickets and have the option to continue purchasing until someone comes along and is willing to buy the PSL. At that point, you either pony up and buy the PSL yourself, or you forfeit the seats.

If we don't at least look to be turning the corner some next season, how long until there are local black-outs?

I respect those who say the pick should be Bush should be the pick, but disagree. I also respect those who say the pick should be Young but disagree. This franchise needs to win sooner rather than later. They can't afford to wait on Young to be a game changing NFL QB, which I think he will be eventually. They also can't afford to waste a number one pick on a 3rd down back who will get a dozen or so touches per game and who can't or won't run inside. Why spend a number one on a Bryant Westbrook type back.

A trade out of the number one pick is by far the wisest move and will do more to help build the team quickly. There will be suitors for the number one pick this year, unlike the Niners last year. It's the smart pick, but who says this organization has the capacity under Casserly to do the smart thing.

Go Texans Go
 
Historyhorn said:
Those who are implying that there are lines of people waiting to buy season tickets are a little delusional.
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I agree. A buddy of mine just got on the waiting list late last week, and the customer service agent said he'd definitely be getting tickets for the 2006 season.

Not much "wait" in that list, 'eh?

Historyhorn said:
If we don't at least look to be turning the corner some next season, how long until there are local black-outs?
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IIRC, the 2006 season is the last gauranteed sellout year, which Mr. McNair promised 5 years of sellouts as part of buying a new franchise.

So yeah, next season is make or break with regards to market share. If they tank this year, then 2007 will bring in the dreaded blackouts that we experienced way too many times with the Oilers back in the day.

Although I'm not worried because I'm [hopefully] renewing my season tickets for life.
 
Reggie may only RUN the ball 15-18 times a agame but will also catch 3-6 balls a game as well...PLUS, he can take it to the house with that speed on any given play at any given time. He can and DOES run between the tackles but if you cut back and break outside, why the need to drop a shoulder just to hear people say, "Wow. He can really pound those 2 yarders." If you can run up the middle and be untouched, does that count as between the tackles? If you cut back and run to the left tackle instead of the right, does that count as between the tackles? Or MUST he get 3 yards and fall down so he can be called a pounder and a guy who 'runs between the tackles.

If Reggie was a Westbrook back, he'd be taken in the 4th round. Funny how no experts ever call him a scat back, they all call him the most dangerous threat to come out of college in recent memory.

I don't mind if we trade down if it's a GODFATHER deal only, but to call Bush a little scatback is silly....

........I know...I know...Barry Sanders never won a Superbowl. :brickwall
 
I am pretty darn critical of the team. I also have been a PSL owner since day one. I have been subject to four losing seasons. I have been subject to black outs in Austin. No matter what happens in the draft and FA it will not matter. I will still come to this board, I will still attend games and I will still wear the colors. I am a fan of this thing we call the Texans.

I suppose the business model that McNair crafted needs more than the demand of one fan such as myself, but hey what does he know as he has this awful team in the top 5 of NFL franchises for revenue. As I have stated before he has solidified the model to satisfy his VC's and now he is focused on the product.

I am in no matter if there is rain, sleet, sun, sacks or turnovers. :texans:
 
In watching Bush's games this season on tape, I can almost count the number of times that Bush ran anywhere other than the D gap on the number of digits I've got. Even if plays were designed to hit a B or C gap, he'd cut to D.

Any way you slice it or dice it, his proclivity is the D gap on both sides. My standard for running inside is not how far the yardage is, or taking a hit, or being wide open in the middle....it is what gap did the back run to. Second, what gap was the play designed to go to?

Reggie is a better player than Westbrook, that much is true, but he is the same type of player. He's more dangerous catching the ball and going to multiple sets out of the backfield than as a traditional running back. The scheme there is to put pressure on the opposing team's secondary by forcing them into a matchup that favors you somewhere. If they've got two corners that can cover, then a slot receiver to test the safety. If they've got a safety who can cover, then you look for a TE that can catch to put pressure on the LB. Finally, you've got a back who can catch the ball in space and then take advatage of the mismatches created by spreading the field elsewhere.

The key question is why spend a number one on a back that isn't "complete"? His role will be that of Westbrook for the Eagles. He'll have more speed and take it to the house threat, but that's still what he'll be. A third down back with breakaway speed. That's not value at the number one spot.

Go Texans
 
Bush has the potential the change the way that runningback is played. If we take Bush and keep DD then I can easily see Bush taking the field at the same time as DD. He can be used as our runningback, slot reciever or #2 reciever at any time. Someone that is this versatile is definentally worth a #1 selection. Now I'm not saying that we should or shouldnt draft Bush, I just wont be disapointed if we do.

In regards to him not hitting the holes that the plays are designed to go to, with us using zone blocking I think this is exactly the kind of back that would thrive in our new system. Zone blocking allows the runningback to improvise and pick where he thinks he should go.

My Top Texans draft board = Bush, Furguson, Williams, Hawk, Young
 
Versatility and speed are certainly the attributes that Reggie does have, but I'd take a more complete back any and every time.

With a zone blocking scheme, the back does indeed select the hole, but oftentimes that hole is back through the A, B, or C gaps on the backside. Reggie typically doesn't hit those cuts back through the middle, because that's where the meat-eaters live. He has a tendency to take a loss outside rather than cut back through the middle.

For the first pick in a draft that has the potential to have some franchise type players at several positions, if you take a back with the number one.....he better be a complete one. Not a situational back that shuttles in and out. It's just not good value for the pick.

LaDanian Tomlinson, Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander, even Cadillac Williams types of guys are ones you spend a number one overral pick on.

Go Texans
 
Bamboo said:
this franchise will lose a lot of season ticket holding fans looking for a reason to support them by not drafting young. i am not so familiar with the draft bush or i am out group.
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Any season ticket holder that gives up their tickets because the team doesn't draft Vince Young is going to hate themselves in 3 years when there is a waiting list and they have to start in the 700s once they do get tickets. There won't be a lack of fans looking to fill those seats. I wonder how many of the people who think some season ticket holders are going to leave actually are season ticket holders. I'd bet it's a small percentage. Someone who has shelled out the PSL money isn't going to be as quick to dump those tickets.
 
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