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Im so glad we picked Mario Williams!

I did see vince young play, and he did the same thing every time on passing downs, drop back after shotgun/snap check off 2 targets watch lb's for hole to run thru. the nfl will pick up his paterns quick and lay him out. imho
 
SF49erFaithful said:
Mario is a great athlete but he doesn't run a 4.4.......he is very fast for his size though and it is remarkable for someone his size to run 4.66
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Yea, I saw that today and meant to change it, but I don't feel like it. :tease:
 
After all the VY talk on a MW thread and comparisons to Michael Vick, I thought I'd share this from the Profootballtalk websites All-Turd Team:

Michael Vick, QB, Falcons: Grossly overrated player who allegedly gave a girlfriend herpes. If only the ability to pass from the pocket were an STD

Ouch!!! That has to sting a little!!!
 
DocBar said:
After all the VY talk on a MW thread and comparisons to Michael Vick, I thought I'd share this from the Profootballtalk websites All-Turd Team:

Michael Vick, QB, Falcons: Grossly overrated player who allegedly gave a girlfriend herpes. If only the ability to pass from the pocket were an STD

Ouch!!! That has to sting a little!!!
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thanks for bringing that up, its partially the reason i made this thread , not to talk about mario williams, but to talk about and compare the choices, Iactually wanted to also talk about the FA choices we had if we wanted to go another direction with Carr. most of us agree now or are at least optimistic that mario was a good pick draft wise and sice after lienart and cutler there were no "upgrade" picks for QB. what about FA? personally I think Kubiak saw all this too and decided keepin carr was the best choice. oppinions?
 
TK_Gamer said:
thanks for bringing that up, its partially the reason i made this thread , not to talk about mario williams, but to talk about and compare the choices, Iactually wanted to also talk about the FA choices we had if we wanted to go another direction with Carr. most of us agree now or are at least optimistic that mario was a good pick draft wise and sice after lienart and cutler there were no "upgrade" picks for QB. what about FA? personally I think Kubiak saw all this too and decided keepin carr was the best choice. oppinions?
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Glad I could be of service, however unintentionally it was. LOL
 
BroussardSaint said:
YA"LL would be WAY better off with BUSH.
Mario will not make the difference that BUSH will for the Saints.
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We already have a kick returner...when he gets healthy. What was Bush's contract again? OH!!!! That's right...he hasn't signed one yet. Between Deuce and Reggie, you should have the RB's to take the load off of Bree's shoulder(s). I just don't see the Saints going anywhere this year...unless it's San Antonio.
:stirpot:
 
Carr2Johnson said:
Oh yeah since we love mario williams so much look what the astros fans said about him
http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-astros&msg=52100.1&ctx=0

really clueless and classless fools, thats why I post here
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If it makes you feel any better, Rocket fans feel the same way........ but I'm after the Rudy Gay/Shane Battier thing, it doesn't sting so bad.



TK_Gamer said:
I did see vince young play, and he did the same thing every time on passing downs, drop back after shotgun/snap check off 2 targets watch lb's for hole to run thru. the nfl will pick up his paterns quick and lay him out. imho
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On many of those though, he'd take off running, and still look downfield..... and complete big passes...... that was a big contributing factor to his effieciency rating.

bayoudreamn said:
Extrapolation?
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Extrapolation and speculation are synonyms.[/QUOTE]

Extrapolation is speculation based on past facts.....



BroussardSaint said:
YA"LL would be WAY better off with BUSH.
Mario will not make the difference that BUSH will for the Saints.
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?? You've got Duce, Stallworth, Joe Horn, and a better than decent tightend.... you aren't getting anything out of Bush, that you weren't getting before.....



DocBar said:
We already have a kick returner...when he gets healthy. What was Bush's contract again? OH!!!! That's right...he hasn't signed one yet. Between Deuce and Reggie, you should have the RB's to take the load off of Bree's shoulder(s). I just don't see the Saints going anywhere this year...unless it's San Antonio.
:stirpot:
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That would be cool........ but they're going to Los Angeles
 
BroussardSaint said:
LOL! a known gansta???????
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Yes a gangster and a gang leader in SoCal., and he has recently went to jail on an unrelated item. It has been reported by several news sources. The San Diego Telegraph is one IIRC and you could search for it.
 
thunderkyss said:
On many of those though, he'd take off running, and still look downfield..... and complete big passes...... that was a big contributing factor to his effieciency rating.
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idont know about a big factor, but yes at times he showed a glimpse of what he could do. i have no doubt he will be good in the future. he runs like emmit smith , north south cutting in holes, actually waiting behind his lineman for a hole to open. scary. he could prolly play fullback if he wanted to. i just think the pros wont give him the time or comfort level he used to his advantage in texas. will take time
 
TK_Gamer said:
idont know about a big factor, but yes at times he showed a glimpse of what he could do. i have no doubt he will be good in the future. he runs like emmit smith , north south cutting in holes, actually waiting behind his lineman for a hole to open. scary. he could prolly play fullback if he wanted to. i just think the pros wont give him the time or comfort level he used to his advantage in texas. will take time
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Well Donavan McNabb has been able to take what the NFL has given him to the NFC championship game three times, and one SuperBowl.



And I believe Vince will be better than McNumbnuts.
 
thunderkyss said:
Well Donavan McNabb has been able to take what the NFL has given him to the NFC championship game three times, and one SuperBowl.



And I believe Vince will be better than McNumbnuts.
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I hate to be picky here, but the NFC East wasn't exactly a powerhouse division those 3 years and the Bucs thumped them pretty hard. McNabb is a good QB but he's more of a pocket passer than a Michael Vick type. He's very mobile(at least he WAS) and could throw on the run, but I don't remember seeing a lot of straight up bootlegs designed purely for him to run the ball. Give the devil his due...3 Championship games and a Super Bowl is hard to ignore. Statistically speaking, of course( I had to say that for all the stats haters out there).
 
IMO Mario really was the right pick for us and he will show that in his play on the field in the years to come if he can stay healthy and continues to improve and play liek he has so far. Of course were fans, a little biased and want to support our local team for the most part. The oft-questioned FO decisions asside especially after the last few years choices are understandable. But in the end this is one choice IMO will bring some stability to this franchise and help create its identity for years to come. Bush and Young certainly would have butts in seats and sell jerseys, but like the article mentions below - Were going to be hard pressed to out-gunsling Manning and the Colts, so Management decided to flip around the equation

Here's another article from a few weeks back on Mario and the Texans that explains quite a bit and has takes from the Coach, McNair and his old roomate Demeco on the draft, the team and the future.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/texans/2006-06-20-williams-cover_x.htm

:wherewill
 
DocBar said:
I hate to be picky here, but the NFC East wasn't exactly a powerhouse division those 3 years and the Bucs thumped them pretty hard. McNabb is a good QB but he's more of a pocket passer than a Michael Vick type. He's very mobile(at least he WAS) and could throw on the run, but I don't remember seeing a lot of straight up bootlegs designed purely for him to run the ball. Give the devil his due...3 Championship games and a Super Bowl is hard to ignore. Statistically speaking, of course( I had to say that for all the stats haters out there).
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Well, getting to the NFC Championship game means beating more than just the NFC East..... three years, they beat the best of the best, making it to one superbowl. And no, you didn't see many plays designed for him to run, but at Syrycus, he wasn't much more than an option QB........ and my point, is/was that Vince was a more established passer than McNabb(and McNair, and every other running QB) coming out of college......
 
thunderkyss said:
Well, getting to the NFC Championship game means beating more than just the NFC East..... three years, they beat the best of the best, making it to one superbowl. And no, you didn't see many plays designed for him to run, but at Syrycus, he wasn't much more than an option QB........ and my point, is/was that Vince was a more established passer than McNabb(and McNair, and every other running QB) coming out of college......
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McNabb set the Syracuse and Big East career records for touchdown passes (77), and he finished his college career ranked second in the school's history with 8,389 yards passing, 548 completions, 938 attempts and a 58.4 completion percentage. As a senior he ranked sixth in the nation with a 158.9 passing efficiency rating. McNair, in his senior season, passed for over 4,000 yards and had 2,000 yards rushing.


Vince Young college career stats
Year Passing Rushing
Comp Att Yards TDs Int Att Yds Avg TD
2003 84 143 1,155 6 7 135 998 7.4 11
2004 148 250 1,849 12 11 167 1,079 6.5 14
2005 212 365 3,036 26 10 155 1,050 6.8 12
Totals 444 718 6,040 44 28 457 3,127 6.8 37
 
texan279 said:
McNair, in his senior season, passed for over 4,000 yards and had 2,000 yards rushing.
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were you awake when Donavan did this??

because if you were, then nobody would be talking about Vince's 3000 passing yards, and 1000 rushing yards........even though it didn't happen in the regular season.


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McNabb set the Syracuse and Big East career records for touchdown passes (77), touchdowns responsible for (96), passing yards (8,389), total offensive yards (9,950) and total offensive plays (1,403). He set the school's all-time records for total yards per game (221.1), passing efficiency (155.1) and yards per attempt (9.1). He finished his college career ranked second in the school's history with 8,389 yards passing, 548 completions, 938 attempts and a 58.4 completion percentage. Started every game during his career, compiling a 33-12 record. As a senior, led Syracuse to an Orange Bowl berth vs. Florida as he completed 157 of 251 passes (62.5%) for 2,134 yards. His 22 TD passes tied the school's single season record set by former Eagle Don McPherson (1987). Also rushed 135 times for 438 yards and 8 touchdowns.. Ranked sixth in the nation with a 158.9 passing efficiency rating and 22nd in total offense (233.8 yards per game). Tied a school record with 4 TD tosses vs. Cincinnati and accounted for 5 TDs vs. Miami (3 rushing and 2 passing). Amassed 2,892 yards in total offense in his junior season to set a school record. As a freshman, was the Big East rookie of the year and tossed a 96-yard TD pass vs. West Virginia, the longest in SU history. He redshirted in 1994.
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thunderkyss said:
were you awake when Donavan did this??

because if you were, then nobody would be talking about Vince's 3000 passing yards, and 1000 rushing yards........even though it didn't happen in the regular season.
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Actually he said Steve Mcnair had 4000 passing and 2000 rushing his senior year, not McNabb. But, the reason why it's not talked about is 1 that was 11 years ago and 2 McNair played for Alcorn State which is 1-AA.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
Actually he said Steve Mcnair had 4000 passing and 2000 rushing his senior year, not McNabb. But, the reason why it's not talked about is 1 that was 11 years ago and 2 McNair played for Alcorn State which is 1-AA.
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ahhhh......

read the whole thing first, then open mouth.......... gotcha
 
So are you all trying to say that Mcnair, and McNabb were better prospects coming out than VY ? Or even better passers ? Look at who VY played....McNair played 1-AA football...C'mon guys the odds are in VY's favor...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
So are you all trying to say that Mcnair, and McNabb were better prospects coming out than VY ? Or even better passers ? Look at who VY played....McNair played 1-AA football...C'mon guys the odds are in VY's favor...
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The point I was trying to make was that Young was not more of an "established passer" than McNabb or McNair coming out of college.
 
texan279 said:
The point I was trying to make was that Young was not more of an "established passer" than McNabb or McNair coming out of college.
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But he was...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
But he was...
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You honestly think Young is a more established passer coming out of college than McNabb and McNair were?

Vince Young's college stats
61.8% completion percentage 6040 yards 44 TD's 28 INT's QB rating 144.92

McNabb's college stats
58.4% completion percentage 8389 yards 77 TD's 26 INT's QB rating 155.09

McNair's college stats
55.5% completion percentage 14496 yards 119 TD's 58 INT's QB rating 144.79
 
texan279 said:
You honestly think Young is a more established passer coming out of college than McNabb and McNair were?

Vince Young's college stats
61.8% completion percentage 6040 yards 44 TD's 28 INT's QB rating 144.92

McNabb's college stats
58.4% completion percentage 8389 yards 77 TD's 26 INT's QB rating 155.09
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Im not going to count McNair....But McNabb Started all four years at Syracuse...And Young 2....Multiply VY's stats X2....LOL....No but seriously...He had a better completion percentage and the only reason that he didn't have as many yards and TD's is because he didn't have as many years on the filed as McNAbb...IMO, He was a better overall prospect than McNabb coming out of college....and IMO, He was the better passer...I noticed his INT's were high, but that doesn't mean much when you are winning...
 
texan279 said:
The point I was trying to make was that Young was not more of an "established passer" than McNabb or McNair coming out of college.
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Ask any coach/GM...... Vince is more advanced than either of the two coming out of college....

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your stats back up my point against McNabb......
Scout.com
Exploded into prominence with a national championship campaign for Texas which landed him second to Reggie Bush in Heisman Trophy voting... Unanimous Big 12 offensive player of the year... Finished with 212 completions on 325 attempts for 3,036 yards and 26 scores... Completion percentage of 65.2% helped Young to a 163.9 passing rating (third in the nation), despite ten interceptions... Passing touchdowns (26) tied a Texas school record... Averaged 6.8 yards on 155 rushing attempts to finish with 1,050 yards, leading the team and setting a Texas record for quarterbacks.
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From MSN: VinceThe pass efficiency rating for a quarterback who was told he couldn’t throw is a nation-leading 168.6.
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As a senior, led Syracuse to an Orange Bowl berth vs. Florida as he completed 157 of 251 passes (62.5%) for 2,134 yards. His 22 TD passes tied the school's single season record set by former Eagle Don McPherson (1987). Also rushed 135 times for 438 yards and 8 touchdowns.. Ranked sixth in the nation with a 158.9 passing efficiency rating
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the 4000/2000 of McNair doesn't help me out, but I didn't pull the idea out of thin air........ that is what has been said about Vince since he made himself eligible for the draft.

Sure, you have your critics who totally ignore his passing stats(performance), but the guys who objectively look at him, say that he is what Michael Vick, is supposed to be..... he is now, where McNair & McNabb were two years(or so) into the NFL.....
 
Im not really worried about VY...I will continue to root for him...And I have a really good feeling that he is going to make a lot of people eat crow...thats JMO...And about McNair...Thats not even a fair comparison....He played 1AA ball...which is a huge jump....Can you imagine if VY would have went to Alcorn State...C'mon......
 
thunderkyss said:
Ask any coach/GM...... Vince is more advanced than either of the two coming out of college....

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your stats back up my point against McNabb......




the 4000/2000 of McNair doesn't help me out, but I didn't pull the idea out of thin air........ that is what has been said about Vince since he made himself eligible for the draft.

Sure, you have your critics who totally ignore his passing stats(performance), but the guys who objectively look at him, say that he is what Michael Vick, is supposed to be..... he is now, where McNair & McNabb were two years(or so) into the NFL.....
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So why did you only compare McNabb's senior season against Young's senior season? I compared all three of their careers. One good college season doesn't guarantee he is a future NFL star. And do you have a link or quote from any coach or GM who says Vince is "more advanced" than the other two? And I thought the original topic was who the better established passer was in college...
 
texan279 said:
So why did you only compare McNabb's senior season against Young's senior season? I compared all three of their careers. One good college season doesn't guarantee he is a future NFL star.
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He only had two seasons...And it doesn't garuntee he won't be a star either...
 
texan279 said:
Young started two and a half seasons.
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ok...compared to McNabb's four... He should have more TD's having played 1 1/2 seasons more...
 
texan279 said:
So why did you only compare McNabb's senior season against Young's senior season? I compared all three of their careers. One good college season doesn't guarantee he is a future NFL star. And do you have a link or quote from any coach or GM who says Vince is "more advanced" than the other two? And I thought the original topic was who the better established passer was in college...
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I think the original topic was how glad we all were to have Mario Williams on our team.:fireball:
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
I think the original topic was how glad we all were to have Mario Williams on our team.:fireball:
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I wasn't the one who derailed the thread, I just came in on the discussion going on.
 
Ya'll didn't know?!?!?!?......Every thread turns into something it wasn't meant to be....get with the program guys...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Ya'll didn't know?!?!?!?......Every thread turns into something it wasn't meant to be....get with the program guys...
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Somebody should post the stats of the QB I will not name in this thread...you guys know who I mean.
 
___________ was one of the most successful athletes ever to play for _______. He was the starting quarterback during the 2000 and 2001 seasons after redshirting in 1999. Under his leadership, the ________ went 7-5 and 11-3. In his senior season the team beat Colorado, Oregon State, and Wisconsin, all members of BCS conferences. There was speculation about whether the ________ would qualify for a BCS bid, something unprecedented for a 'Mid Major' conference team. During his collegiate career _________ completed 587 of 934 passes for 7,849 yards. He threw 70 touchdowns versus 23 interceptions. __________collected many honors and awards during his final college season, most notably the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award.
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Fill in the blanks for this unnamed QB and you win a prize.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
Fill in the blanks for this unnamed QB and you win a prize.
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No one cares about David Carr's college career. I'm an LSU fan, I have never once been like "well let's talk about what LaRon Landry did in high school"
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
No one cares about David Carr's college career. I'm an LSU fan, I have never once been like "well let's talk about what LaRon Landry did in high school"
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Did you GO to LSU? (Yes, it matters... Si vous êtes un fanatique de tigres, avez-vous oublié les Saints ?)
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
No one cares about David Carr's college career. I'm an LSU fan, I have never once been like "well let's talk about what LaRon Landry did in high school"
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And the last time I cared about the Titans was...........yep just as I suspected , NEVER.texanpride Oh and you ruined my smart alec post. Thanks alot:mad: :D
 
Are Titans fans so damn lame they have to come here looking for intelligent conversation or are we just such great fans with outstanding knowledge of the game that NFL fans in general are gravitating to our website? And I was wondering how Carr's college stats looked compared to the other ones posted on this thread. Just because VY happens to be black doesn't mean he has to be compared only to other black QB's(that seems to be how it goes...maybe I'm wrong on that). John Elway and STEVE Young were 2 of the best scrambling QB's in NFL history. So was Fran Tarkington. And DC ain't no slouch at it, either.
 
DocBar said:
Are Titans fans so damn lame they have to come here looking for intelligent conversation or are we just such great fans with outstanding knowledge of the game that NFL fans in general are gravitating to our website? And I was wondering how Carr's college stats looked compared to the other ones posted on this thread. Just because VY happens to be black doesn't mean he has to be compared only to other black QB's(that seems to be how it goes...maybe I'm wrong on that). John Elway and STEVE Young were 2 of the best scrambling QB's in NFL history. So was Fran Tarkington. And DC ain't no slouch at it, either.
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I think that He gets compared to Vick and McNabb because of their stlye of running...When those guys take off they can normally make amazing things happen, almost like a running back or receiver...Wheras the likes of Elway and Carr just seem to have good speed and tend to run out of bounds when the first defender shows...McNabb and McNair actually run more like that now...thats why its more of a VY/Vick thing because of HOW they run...
 
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