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Im so glad we picked Mario Williams!

TK_Gamer

TK_Gamer

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In Light of all the ramblings of Carr skeptic/homer threads, Ithought I would try something different. Lets truly evaluate our options we had for the offseason/draft this year. im not gonna go into texans/Carr past history too much we all know it, they sucked. ok, Bush, Lienart, Young, Wiliams, Hawk, D'brick, personally I think these were the valid top picks in the draft we had to choose from.

Bush: would taking bush have stopped Carr from getting sacked? I dont think so, Ithink we allready have more than enough back in DD, and we have a pro bowl kick returner also, so dont think we needed to waste ALOT of salary cap
on Bush.

Lienart: decent drop back/pocket passer, but i think he would have got sacked more than Carr, he just would have run OOB less, and thrown more picks. So I think we do better without another learning curve QB project

Hawk: 1 helluva good LB, but we have a surplus of good LB's never been our problem.

Young: special player, biggest weakness is he is as unorthodox as they come with so many intangibles. throws 3/4 sidearm, most sidearm qb's have to alter their delivery in the pros because the trajectory leaves it open to deflection at the LOS. Young got around this in a unique way. Texas basicly designed their offense around him. he had to throw from the shotgun so he could be far enough from LOS to loop the passes over the defense. then if he dint have an open guy. each pass play became basicly a draw play with Young as the back. I dont think any NFL team is gonna alter there offense enough to make young effective. so he will most likely work on his delivery from the backup qb spot for at least 2 years. Iwish him luck. but I dont think he would have helped us enough to warrant #1 pick

D'Brick: physicaly gifted good technique for a colllege lineman, but rarely do offensive lineman warrant a #1 pick for maturity reasons.

enter Mario: fills one of our biggest needs as bonafide pass rusher, good size, speed, agilty, and durable . my top pick to help the team the most

I guess yer saying , "whats yer point" my point is since mario was our best choice for draft, and there were no viable options IE, major upgrades in free agency, like him or not we will have to play with David Carr one more year, so lets get on with it and quit arguing , Lets get some sacks , Win some games, and worry about who starts at QB next year, cuz this year its David carr and there wasnt a whole lot they could have done about it

GO TEXANS!
 
TK_Gamer said:
Bush: would taking bush have stopped Carr from getting sacked? I dont think so, Ithink we allready have more than enough back in DD, and we have a pro bowl kick returner also, so dont think we needed to waste ALOT of salary cap
on Bush.

Young: special player, biggest weakness is he is as unorthodox as they come with so many intangibles. throws 3/4 sidearm, most sidearm qb's have to alter their delivery in the pros because the trajectory leaves it open to deflection at the LOS. Young got around this in a unique way. Texas basicly designed their offense around him. he had to throw from the shotgun so he could be far enough from LOS to loop the passes over the defense. then if he dint have an open guy. each pass play became basicly a draw play with Young as the back. I dont think any NFL team is gonna alter there offense enough to make young effective. so he will most likely work on his delivery from the backup qb spot for at least 2 years. Iwish him luck. but I dont think he would have helped us enough to warrant #1 pick
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I agree with you perfectly here.

The problem I have with everyone saying Bush would reduce sacks is that they don't have proof. Will he spread the defense by motioning him into the slot? Yes. But good defenses won't worry about him as much as everyone says. I call this the "Michael Vick" syndrome. If you're not experienced with playing against Vick and knowing how he does things, you're going to worry so much that you'll over- or underdo you assignments so that you won't be caught off-guard. Yet if you look at the Panthers and Bucs who play him twice a year...they have a proven method for stopping him. He just doesn't have much success against those defenses. I think the first few games of the year that he plays teams will be worried, but then they'll ease off as the season goes on and they realize he's just a mortal.

The problem I have with Young coming here is that he doesn't provide anything Carr doesn't. Yes he has legs...but Carr's been in the top 5 for QB rushers the past 3 years, he's in pretty good company. Likewise, developing him would have taken a while as well, and I wouldn't have all been surprised if 4 years down the line we had people saying "See, I told you he'd be a bust like Carr" and "He just needs a chance to shine, like Carr deserved". I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.
 
IMO i think you guys should have taken Bush. Yes, i know RB wasn't a need, and you guys already have DD. But, Bush is a very rare player, who you could probably line up to do many different things. I also think if you guys decided not to take Bush, to maybe trade down a little to take Ferguson. Williams is still an amazing prospect though. I'm just totally happy SF picked up Davis/Lawson!!!!:redtowel: :redtowel: :yahoo: :yahoo:
 
I disagree with you 49er i feel we took the best player even though i was one of the V. Young Homers (how could you not be the guys a winner) .Mario Williams was the best player to take and to realize why you have to look no farther than our divisonal bully the COLTS. Even if we had Reggie Bush we would not out score the high Powered colts, looking at two of their loses last season the only way they were beaten was the pass rush (shaun Meriman, Jerry Porter ect) without pressure payton manning will eat you up.
My second reason is we are useing the bronco offense and we all know just about any running back will thrive in that system.
 
B.Diddy said:
I disagree with you 49er i feel we took the best player even though i was one of the V. Young Homers (how could you not be the guys a winner) .Mario Williams was the best player to take and to realize why you have to look no farther than our divisonal bully the COLTS. Even if we had Reggie Bush we would not out score the high Powered colts, looking at two of their loses last season the only way they were beaten was the pass rush (shaun Meriman, Jerry Porter ect) without pressure payton manning will eat you up.
My second reason is we are useing the bronco offense and we all know just about any running back will thrive in that system.
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That is a good point you bring up about getting a pass rush to beat Indy, as it is also one of the keys to winning most games. But i still feel that you guys should have taken Bush because he is a player that you can do so many things creative with. Also, i believe the pass rush could be addressed by the Texans later in the draft with someone like Hali or Kiwanuka(if you traded up a little bit that is) even though Williams will probably be a better player.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
That is a good point you bring up about getting a pass rush to beat Indy, as it is also one of the keys to winning most games. But i still feel that you guys should have taken Bush because he is a player that you can do so many things creative with. Also, i believe the pass rush could be addressed by the Texans later in the draft with someone like Hali or Kiwanuka(if you traded up a little bit that is) even though Williams will probably be a better player.
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The Texans actually tried more than once to trade down and never had any takers. They were also considering moving up into the 1st round again(so I have heard and been told) but, it was for the possibility to take Deangelo Williams supposedly. The biggest reason why they didn't move up is that they did not want to give up any picks. IMO. Plus our 2nd and 3rd rounders were great.
 
Has Reggie Bush signed yet? this was the sticking point that swung the Texans over to Mario in the first place. concerning any trades once signed what incentive would there have been to trade him? things all happen for a reason, all these top draftees should become great NFL players for their respective teams, maybe Bush can help rebuild New Orleans- that would be a great thing. If Mario Williams becomes a proto-typical DE like Bruce Smith I'll take it :fireball: :bowser: :mario:
 
beerlover said:
Has Reggie Bush signed yet? this was the sticking point that swung the Texans over to Mario in the first place.
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Yea, this is my belief to. I think there's a good chance that McNair & the
Texans got their feathers ruffled because Bush was not very responsive about
the questions surrounding the free rental house his family had. They may have even felt the Bush lied thru his teeth about the controversy when they questioned him. Right up to that, he was probably their guy.
It remains to be seen if the Texans or Bush made the biggest mistake in how
they handled things and the decisions they made right before and on Draft Day.
 
Simple.

Without help on D, Bush wouldn't see the field.

An offense with 11 top picks is negated by a 15:00 differential in ToP
 
nunusguy said:
Yea, this is my belief to. I think there's a good chance that McNair & the
Texans got their feathers ruffled because Bush was not very responsive about
the questions surrounding the free rental house his family had. They may have even felt the Bush lied thru his teeth about the controversy when they questioned him. Right up to that, he was probably their guy.
It remains to be seen if the Texans or Bush made the biggest mistake in how
they handled things and the decisions they made right before and on Draft Day.
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Add to that that Lloyd Lakes, a known gangster, is the one that funded all of the money that flowed to RB and family, and I would have been very surprised if McNair would have come anywhere around that type of situation.
 
Frills said:
Simple.

Without help on D, Bush wouldn't see the field.

An offense with 11 top picks is negated by a 15:00 differential in ToP
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I was a Bush beleiver myself before the draft. Now that we've drafted Mario I'm kind of looking for ward to this season even more. Although I think some of us might be setting ourselves up for some disappointment. I want him to succeed just as much as anyone else but just remember he's a rookie. I'll be expecting some mistakes from him, but in the end let's hope he comes out on top. The fact that he's a mammoth, a very quick one at that, is in his favor.:bowdown:

:gotexans1
 
Bush: would taking bush have stopped Carr from getting sacked? I dont think so, Ithink we allready have more than enough back in DD, and we have a pro bowl kick returner also, so dont think we needed to waste ALOT of salary cap
on Bush.

Hawk: 1 helluva good LB, but we have a surplus of good LB's never been our problem.

Young: special player, biggest weakness is he is as unorthodox as they come with so many intangibles. throws 3/4 sidearm, most sidearm qb's have to alter their delivery in the pros because the trajectory leaves it open to deflection at the LOS. Young got around this in a unique way. Texas basicly designed their offense around him. he had to throw from the shotgun so he could be far enough from LOS to loop the passes over the defense. then if he dint have an open guy. each pass play became basicly a draw play with Young as the back. I dont think any NFL team is gonna alter there offense enough to make young effective. so he will most likely work on his delivery from the backup qb spot for at least 2 years. Iwish him luck. but I dont think he would have helped us enough to warrant #1 pick

D'Brick: physicaly gifted good technique for a colllege lineman, but rarely do offensive lineman warrant a #1 pick for maturity reasons.

enter Mario: fills one of our biggest needs as bonafide pass rusher, good size, speed, agilty, and durable . my top pick to help the team the most

GO TEXANS![/QUOTE]

Your thread almost changed my mind. Although I have come to agree with the Mario pick, I disagree with your thoughts on the players we passed on.

Bush: I think Bush would have helped the offense tremendously with his speed and versatility. Although we need a pass rush, we also could not put points on the board. The only knocks I had on Bush is that I think he will be injury prone and his contract demands would have been over the top.

Hawk: He would have ultimately had more of an impact on the defense than Mario. Plus he has more leadership ability than Mario. Mario seems to be too laidback. There was a surplus of LB's but a shortage of "good" ones. The good news is that Demeco Ryans will provide the same spark that Hawk would have.

Young: He will be a superstar in this league. He does have flaws but with the right coaching and his work ethic...those flaws will be quickly diminished. What still doesn't make sense to me is that if the Kube's offensive scheme calls for the QB to scramble. why pass on one of the best scramblers of all time. I guess this speaks to Carr's potential rather than Vince's faults.

D-Brick: Would not have been a bad pick if we could have made a trade with the Jets.

Overall, I think Mario is probably the safest pick and he should be a good player. However, when this draft is evaluated years down the road, Bush, Young, and Hawk will have proven to be the better picks.
 
beerlover said:
Has Reggie Bush signed yet? this was the sticking point that swung the Texans over to Mario in the first place. concerning any trades once signed what incentive would there have been to trade him? things all happen for a reason, all these top draftees should become great NFL players for their respective teams, maybe Bush can help rebuild New Orleans- that would be a great thing. If Mario Williams becomes a proto-typical DE like Bruce Smith I'll take it :fireball: :bowser: :mario:
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Signability did not alter their decision to take Mario, they've said that numerous times and I've heard rumors that they had a deal just about worked out with Reggie but decided they wanted Mario more, and Reggie said in an interview right after the draft last he knew the Texans were going to take him and negotiations were going well, then they changed their minds.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
The Texans actually tried more than once to trade down and never had any takers. They were also considering moving up into the 1st round again(so I have heard and been told) but, it was for the possibility to take Deangelo Williams supposedly. The biggest reason why they didn't move up is that they did not want to give up any picks. IMO. Plus our 2nd and 3rd rounders were great.
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If it is true they tried trading down from the #1 overall pick, they were probably asking for a ridiculous amount (Probably along the lines of what NO were asking for when Bush fell to them) BTW, is it just me or is this the most talented draft class you guys have ever seen?
 
BTW, is it just me or is this the most talented draft class you guys have ever seen?[/QUOTE]

I think it will be. What makes it interesting is that it is a class not heavy on a particular position like the years when a lot of good QB's come out. There is a lot of talent at different positions much like the draft of '89 (Aikman, Barry and Deion Sanders, and Derrick Thomas...Mandrich was the bust). I think Mario,Bush,Vince, D Brick,Hawk, and Vernon Davis will all be Pro Bowlers....at the very least.
 
Im not sure if its the best draft class ever, yet again that is a hard statement to give any draft class. We would have to wait 10 years to give an accurate answer for that.

I do agree that there were alot of very talented prospects this year, more than I have seen in the last 5 years.
 
What may make this turn out to be a truly great draft class is that we have a different system than most other teams in the nfl. While other teams compete for players that fit their systems, guys who fit ours slip through the cracks. Mario, D-Wreck, and the linemen should all be good (or great) pros, but it will be guys like Daniels and Lundy that put this class over the top.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
[The Texans] were also considering moving up into the 1st round again(so I have heard and been told) but, it was for the possibility to take Deangelo Williams supposedly. The biggest reason why they didn't move up is that they did not want to give up any picks. IMO.
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I think we had a trade in place with Tampa Bay or some other team that was picking right after the Patroits. We would have made the trade if he had still been there. I agree, though, it probably worked out for the best getting Ryans and Winston.
 
TheOgre said:
I think we had a trade in place with Tampa Bay or some other team that was picking right after the Patroits. We would have made the trade if he had still been there. I agree, though, it probably worked out for the best getting Ryans and Winston.
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I think the trade was going to be with the Bears and it sounded like they were trying to give up their 2nd and 4th round picks for the #26, so they would have given up on DeMeco Ryans and Owen Daniels to get DeAngelo Williams, but the Bills jumped in and gave the Bears a 2nd and 3rd to take a guy (McCargo) that most likely would have been available with their 2nd round pick anyways.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Im not sure if its the best draft class ever, yet again that is a hard statement to give any draft class. We would have to wait 10 years to give an accurate answer for that.

I do agree that there were alot of very talented prospects this year, more than I have seen in the last 5 years.
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Well I'll say, some say not, but for my money this was the deepest draft in a very long time. We'll see what the cuts look like come August. I'm guessing a lot of the day two guys will make rosters. More than in average years.They will be heard from in the near future. Wasn't just the top end of the draft the draft was deep... way into day two clubs were getting great value for their picks. Even on this board we've had rantings and ravings over the fourth round choice. Tells me there was some tallent floating around out there.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
If it is true they tried trading down from the #1 overall pick, they were probably asking for a ridiculous amount (Probably along the lines of what NO were asking for when Bush fell to them) BTW, is it just me or is this the most talented draft class you guys have ever seen?
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Well it apears to be very talented, we will se in the future. And the Texans actually had no calls come to them. They called back several times with no interest whatsoever. Oh well. While it would have been nice to see Bush, he isn't on our team and Mario is so I want to see this kid blow up. I am not really thinking about Bush anymore.
 
This is probably the deepest draft I've seen in my 25 years of watching them. I still can't believe we picked up Ryans, Spencer AND Winston without having to perform draftday backflips. All we had to do was stand pat and we netted our best draft by far. All of the MW/RB discussion will fall to the wayside the 1st time MW slobberknockers some poor QB (I hope it's McNabb) into a dull fog of pain and confusion. Maybe MW can score as many TD's this year as RB( RB isn't known as a goal line threat...yet). How sweet would that be? Defensive TD's are like sugar and I have a sweet tooth.
:fireball: :bowser: :stirpot:
 
trane said:
Your thread almost changed my mind. Although I have come to agree with the Mario pick, I disagree with your thoughts on the players we passed on.

Bush: I think Bush would have helped the offense tremendously with his speed and versatility. Although we need a pass rush, we also could not put points on the board. The only knocks I had on Bush is that I think he will be injury prone and his contract demands would have been over the top.
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We already had Moulds, and Putzier...... why would we think we needed another offensive weapon?? Plus we've got Mathis & Armstrong, who are expected to step it up if they want to stay on the team.

And the biggest reason we couldn't put points on the board, is because we didn't try....

trane said:
Hawk: He would have ultimately had more of an impact on the defense than Mario. Plus he has more leadership ability than Mario. Mario seems to be too laidback. There was a surplus of LB's but a shortage of "good" ones. The good news is that Demeco Ryans will provide the same spark that Hawk would have.
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I don't see the "ultimately more impact"

trane said:
Young: He will be a superstar in this league. He does have flaws but with the right coaching and his work ethic...those flaws will be quickly diminished. What still doesn't make sense to me is that if the Kube's offensive scheme calls for the QB to scramble. why pass on one of the best scramblers of all time. I guess this speaks to Carr's potential rather than Vince's faults.
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& it looks like Vince will be starting sooner, rather than later.....

trane said:
D-Brick: Would not have been a bad pick if we could have made a trade with the Jets.
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I still don't think he is what Kubiak is looking for....... if Kubes thought he could get Spencer in the third, he might not have had any value fro DBrick so early..... then getting Winston as well........ damn.

trane said:
Overall, I think Mario is probably the safest pick and he should be a good player. However, when this draft is evaluated years down the road, Bush, Young, and Hawk will have proven to be the better picks.
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If Mario gets double digit sacks this year, then there will be no question. Especially if our defense ends up in the top half of NFL Ds.

I'm fine with the pick, two things I wanted.

under no circumstances could we pick Reggie Bush, & we'd better not be looking for a QB 2 years from now.
 
The biggest reason I love the Williams pick isn't necessarily because I am convinced that Mario will be the better player (I'm leaning that way, but we really don't know yet). The reason I love this pick is because it shows some swagger. Kubiak really believes that his system works if all of the players buy into it. I love the message it sends to his players - "Get on board and we'll win. No one individual is bigger than the team."
 
AFD1717 said:
The biggest reason I love the Williams pick isn't necessarily because I am convinced that Mario will be the better player (I'm leaning that way, but we really don't know yet). The reason I love this pick is because it shows some swagger. Kubiak really believes that his system works if all of the players buy into it. I love the message it sends to his players - "Get on board and we'll win. No one individual is bigger than the team."
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That's kind of the way I'm thinking about this new staff. The bottom line will W's & L's and the productive people will be on the field regardless of draft position.
 
The only advantage is that Mario Williams might be able to sack the other QB and get some revenge from those teams that sacked Carr.
 
trane said:
Young: He will be a superstar in this league. He does have flaws but with the right coaching and his work ethic...those flaws will be quickly diminished. What still doesn't make sense to me is that if the Kube's offensive scheme calls for the QB to scramble. why pass on one of the best scramblers of all time. I guess this speaks to Carr's potential rather than Vince's faults.

D-Brick: Would not have been a bad pick if we could have made a trade with the Jets.

Overall, I think Mario is probably the safest pick and he should be a good player. However, when this draft is evaluated years down the road, Bush, Young, and Hawk will have proven to be the better picks.
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Young I think will be a great player. The Texans situation was not ideal. Year 1 of a new offense when the owner wants to win right away is not a great situation. The reads in this offense are fairly involved--Young's running ability is more than the Kubiak offense really needs. New system and rookie QB with a lot of expectations and a defense needing help might be too much.

I think D-Brick would be a waste in a Denver zone blocking system. It is more of a shared responsibility line versus one that relies on individual effort.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Young I think will be a great player. The Texans situation was not ideal. Year 1 of a new offense when the owner wants to win right away is not a great situation. The reads in this offense are fairly involved--Young's running ability is more than the Kubiak offense really needs. New system and rookie QB with a lot of expectations and a defense needing help might be too much.

I think D-Brick would be a waste in a Denver zone blocking system. It is more of a shared responsibility line versus one that relies on individual effort.
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Why do you think VY will be a great player? All the odds are stacked against him. He will be a novelty and gimmick guy just like Cordell /sucks/ Stewart and Michael Vick. Teams will figure him out and he will fizzle out. Running backs run the ball in the NFL. QB's THROW the ball or HAND OFF the ball to RB's. The Wishbone and Option Offenses never made it in the NFL for a reason: they work against lessr opponents and there is no such thing(along the lines of lesser college opponents) in the NFL. There's also a reason the Texans got no takers on the 1st puck of the draft. There was WAY too much depth amd VY and/or RB wasn't worth it. IMHO, VY will stink up the league for a few years then be a UT analyst on game day. No more special that 85% of the players drafted each year.
 
Other than the VY thing, I think you do a great job with the blog and posts.
 
DocBar said:
Why do you think VY will be a great player? All the odds are stacked against him. He will be a novelty and gimmick guy just like Cordell /sucks/ Stewart and Michael Vick. Teams will figure him out and he will fizzle out. Running backs run the ball in the NFL. QB's THROW the ball or HAND OFF the ball to RB's. The Wishbone and Option Offenses never made it in the NFL for a reason: they work against lessr opponents and there is no such thing(along the lines of lesser college opponents) in the NFL. There's also a reason the Texans got no takers on the 1st puck of the draft. There was WAY too much depth amd VY and/or RB wasn't worth it. IMHO, VY will stink up the league for a few years then be a UT analyst on game day. No more special that 85% of the players drafted each year.
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Not worth debating any more.

It is based on my eyes and the only stats I have to work with:

Vince Young's college stats compared to other college players

I don't think he is easily compared to anyone else. With most of the guys he has been compared to, his college stats are more favorable.

If the Titans don't ruin him, I think he could be a really good player in the league for a long time.
 
It's funny how some of you point out VY's sidearm throwing motion however seem to forget that was the knock on Carr when he came out. Four years later and he still has that funky sidearm motion.

That being said, I am not convinced that funky motion that BOTH Carr and Young have is as big a problem as many make it out to be.
 
As someone who has seen Mario in person, I completely understand the pick. He is a monster, and they say he can run a 4.4?? I feel sorry for Peyton.

Besides, I am very defense-oriented. I would take a great defense over a great offense, hands down.

"Oh...I'm afraid the deflector shield (Mario Williams) will be quite operational when your friends (Reggie Bush, Vince Young and Peyton Manning) arrive."

-Emperor Palpatine
 
TexansLucky13 said:
As someone who has seen Mario in person, I completely understand the pick. He is a monster, and they say he can run a 4.4?? I feel sorry for Peyton.

Besides, I am very defense-oriented. I would take a great defense over a great offense, hands down.

"Oh...I'm afraid the deflector shield (Mario Williams) will be quite operational when your friends (Reggie Bush, Vince Young and Peyton Manning) arrive."

-Emperor Palpatine
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I can't wait to see this guy in action. I agree with you about the D. I'm going to do some SB research and see whether great O or great D has led to more SB's.I'm leaning towards D right now, but there's the whole 49ers, Rams and Broncos thing. Should be interesting.
EDIT: Heres a cool link for anyone wondering the same thing. http://www.superbowl.com/history/stats
 
Texans_Chick said:
Not worth debating any more.

It is based on my eyes and the only stats I have to work with:

Vince Young's college stats compared to other college players

I don't think he is easily compared to anyone else. With most of the guys he has been compared to, his college stats are more favorable.

If the Titans don't ruin him, I think he could be a really good player in the league for a long time.
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Sorry about going on a rant. I haven't really weighed in on the VY thing and I guess now I've said my piece. The stats vs talent thing has run its course on another thread also. great posts.
 
DocBar said:
I can't wait to see this guy in action. I agree with you about the D. I'm going to do some SB research and see whether great O or great D has led to more SB's.I'm leaning towards D right now, but there's the whole 49ers, Rams and Broncos thing. Should be interesting.
EDIT: Heres a cool link for anyone wondering the same thing. http://www.superbowl.com/history/stats
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I already did one a while ago, check it out. Defense appears to be extremely important to winning championships.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=22907&page=2
 
TexansLucky13 said:
As someone who has seen Mario in person, I completely understand the pick. He is a monster, and they say he can run a 4.4?? I feel sorry for Peyton.

Besides, I am very defense-oriented. I would take a great defense over a great offense, hands down.

"Oh...I'm afraid the deflector shield (Mario Williams) will be quite operational when your friends (Reggie Bush, Vince Young and Peyton Manning) arrive."

-Emperor Palpatine
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Mario is a great athlete but he doesn't run a 4.4.......he is very fast for his size though and it is remarkable for someone his size to run 4.66
 
SF49erFaithful said:
Mario is a great athlete but he doesn't run a 4.4.......he is very fast for his size though and it is remarkable for someone his size to run 4.66
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I could probably hit that in the 40 inch dash. Combine that with my 4 inch vertical leap and bench pressing a soft pillow 35 times, maybe the Texans will give me a look!!!!
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Mario Williams

Position: Defensive End
Drafted: Round 1, 1st Overall
Height: 6'7"
Weight: 290
College: North Carolina State
Birthdate: January 31, 1985
NFL Comparison: Julius Peppers
Strengths: Mario Williams has prototypical dimensions for a defensive end. He is tall with a large wingspan and a frame to add more weight if needed. He has both the strength to bull rush blockers and the quickness to run around them.

Williams possesses good ball skills to where he could drop back in zone blitzes. Has an explosive first step and the speed to create mismatches and wreak havoc in the backfield. He already has a variety of pass rush moves which will make him tougher to block. Williams has the size and pursuit ability to be effective against the run.

Areas of Concern: While Julius Peppers, the player he is most often compared to, was a holy terror in college, Williams has only terrorized in some games and been minimized in others. 10.5 of his 14.5 sacks in 2005 came against three teams (Wake Forest, Southern Mississippi and Maryland). Perhaps his best college performance was a three-sack day in 2004 against Florida State. Scouts say he must be more consistent, show hustle on plays away from his side of the field and develop better hand technique.

2006 Expectations: Williams is expected to fit into the rotation at defensive end immediately. Due to his size, he should be capable of contributing both on run downs and passing downs.

by Bob Hulsey

YEAR G TAK TFL SACK FF FR
2005 12 62 24.0 14.5 1 1
2004 11 57 15.0 6.0 0 0
2003 13 56 13.0 5.0 2 1
TOTALS 36 175 52.0 25.5 3 2



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DocBar said:
I could probably hit that in the 40 inch dash. Combine that with my 4 inch vertical leap and bench pressing a soft pillow 35 times, maybe the Texans will give me a look!!!!
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LOL......like Spongebob when he lifts up the stick with "2! Count 'em! 2......marshmellows..."
 
DocBar said:
Why do you think VY will be a great player? All the odds are stacked against him. He will be a novelty and gimmick guy just like Cordell /sucks/ Stewart and Michael Vick. Teams will figure him out and he will fizzle out. Running backs run the ball in the NFL. QB's THROW the ball or HAND OFF the ball to RB's. The Wishbone and Option Offenses never made it in the NFL for a reason: they work against lessr opponents and there is no such thing(along the lines of lesser college opponents) in the NFL. There's also a reason the Texans got no takers on the 1st puck of the draft. There was WAY too much depth amd VY and/or RB wasn't worth it. IMHO, VY will stink up the league for a few years then be a UT analyst on game day. No more special that 85% of the players drafted each year.
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John Elway, Randall Cunningham, Donavan McNabb, and Dante Culpepper, just to name a few. Even Aaron Brooks are good examples of how beneficial and succesful your club can be with athletic quarterbacks...... especially when they have shown an undestanding & dedication to the passing game. They've all been succesful on teams with little talent around them. I'm not saying they never had talent around them, but even in years with little talent, they were successful. Elway, and McNabb have got their teams into conference Championships with no talent around them to speak of. Brooks is an idiot, but he's had some successful years, with only one reciever(Joe Horn) and no serious help from a runningback..... etc....

Vince has already shown that he understands he has to become a better passer...... his passing stats are equal to Matt lienarts, when you factor in attempts, completions, and the fact that Vince didn't play 4 quarters very often his senior year..... if he had, he would have thrown for more than 4000 yards against the big twelve......... this is not speculation, it's extrapolation of his current stats...

If you were an NFL coach, you don't have to convince him that throwing the football is better, more effiecient for his team, the same way that Vick has still got to learn.

& while we think Vick is a failure, as a "quarterback" he wins football games, put people in the stands, and gains fans from all around the country..... watch a GreenBay vs Atlanta game in Greenbay, I gaurantee you will see at least 5 Vick Jerseys.......
 
thunderkyss said:
John Elway, Randall Cunningham, Donavan McNabb, and Dante Culpepper, just to name a few. Even Aaron Brooks are good examples of how beneficial and succesful your club can be with athletic quarterbacks...... especially when they have shown an undestanding & dedication to the passing game. They've all been succesful on teams with little talent around them. I'm not saying they never had talent around them, but even in years with little talent, they were successful. Elway, and McNabb have got their teams into conference Championships with no talent around them to speak of. Brooks is an idiot, but he's had some successful years, with only one reciever(Joe Horn) and no serious help from a runningback..... etc....

Vince has already shown that he understands he has to become a better passer...... his passing stats are equal to Matt lienarts, when you factor in attempts, completions, and the fact that Vince didn't play 4 quarters very often his senior year..... if he had, he would have thrown for more than 4000 yards against the big twelve......... this is not speculation, it's extrapolation of his current stats...

If you were an NFL coach, you don't have to convince him that throwing the football is better, more effiecient for his team, the same way that Vick has still got to learn.

& while we think Vick is a failure, as a "quarterback" he wins football games, put people in the stands, and gains fans from all around the country..... watch a GreenBay vs Atlanta game in Greenbay, I gaurantee you will see at least 5 Vick Jerseys.......
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I agree with most of what youre saying, but VY seems more in line with Vick than any other QB. All the others you named used the THREAT of scrambling to enhance their passing game. Vick and VY do the opposite. Much has been said about VY's ability to absorb a playbook and be able to play in a Pro offense. If he can learn that, he might do well, but I'm betting against it. And Vick doesn't have stats to show he wins games. Falcons are 40-39-1 since '01. He hasn't played a full season either. The NFL just isn't suited for that type of QB. ALL the players are elite at that level, unlike college. And lastly, NFL history is littered with talented college players that never panned out in the pros. Just MHO, though.
 
DocBar said:
I agree with most of what youre saying, but VY seems more in line with Vick than any other QB. All the others you named used the THREAT of scrambling to enhance their passing game. Vick and VY do the opposite. Much has been said about VY's ability to absorb a playbook and be able to play in a Pro offense. If he can learn that, he might do well, but I'm betting against it. And Vick doesn't have stats to show he wins games. Falcons are 40-39-1 since '01. He hasn't played a full season either. The NFL just isn't suited for that type of QB. ALL the players are elite at that level, unlike college. And lastly, NFL history is littered with talented college players that never panned out in the pros. Just MHO, though.
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Look a little closer at the stats...... I don't have them with me, but with Vick, they win........ without him they loose....... true he hasn't played a full season, and believe me I am not a MikeVick fan. I think it was absurd for the Falcons to sign him for 10 years, $100 mil............. insanity.... when he's yet to play a full season.

But you haven't watched either of these guys play, if you think Vick is the closest comparison we've got for Vince. Like Texans_Chick says, you can't really compare him to anyone. But, IMHO if you do compare him to anyone, it would have to be McNabb, except Vince is a better passer coming out of college.
 
thunderkyss said:
Look a little closer at the stats...... I don't have them with me, but with Vick, they win........ without him they loose....... true he hasn't played a full season, and believe me I am not a MikeVick fan. I think it was absurd for the Falcons to sign him for 10 years, $100 mil............. insanity.... when he's yet to play a full season.

But you haven't watched either of these guys play, if you think Vick is the closest comparison we've got for Vince. Like Texans_Chick says, you can't really compare him to anyone. But, IMHO if you do compare him to anyone, it would have to be McNabb, except Vince is a better passer coming out of college.
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That's what makes these boards fun. I just don't see it with VY. Great collegiate athelete, fair to middling pro.
 
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