I'll bet my moniker against your moniker that Bush won't be on the Texan's roster

[Hottoddie]

I don't believe the Texans are going to draft Bush. I truely believe that they want Young, & I'm willing to make a friendly (non-monetary) bet to prove it.

Here's the deal. The Texans have to have Bush on the roster (active or injured) for the opening regular season game next year. If he is, you can change my moniker (Hottoddie) to what ever you want it to be. If he's not, I get to do the same thing to your's. The change will stay in effect until next year's draft. Also, the name can't be obscene. If there are multiple takers on this wager, there'll be a drawing, of sorts, to choose who gets the honors. Something like, me picking a number between zero & the total number of winning participants.

Now, anyone that believes like I do & wants to join the "Bush won't be on the Texan's roster come opening day team", you are eligible to throw your moniker into the pot as well. When we win, we'll just divide up the spoils & start changing monikers.

I'll make this a public poll, so that we can all see who's on what side. If you vote, you're throwing your moniker into the pool & there's no taking it back.

So, how about it, any takers?

 

[sakebomb]

I just heard on Fox 26, Berman reported that Texans want a special workout session w/VY Friday, what do you have to 'bout that?!

I say Bush is coming on Thursday to pick his locker and get measured for his uniform. Maybe not the locker/uniform part but he will be here Thursday I believe.

 

[barzilla]

I voted for Bush, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if they have an equal grade on the two. Does signability before the draft enter into the equation. Plus, how much stock do we really put into the UT/home angle?

I think two things have happened in the workouts

1) Reggie Bush answered SOME of the strength and durability concerns with his benchpress performance. Like I said, SOME. Additionally, he showed the all-around athletic ability we all know he has.

2) Vince Young was very impressive throwing the ball.

Of course, the problem is that there are still questions.

1) Can Bush be a 20 carry per game back?
2) Can Young make the throws WE want him to make?
3) When will Young be ready to play?

I'm on the record as being for Bush and believing the Texans will take Bush. However, I do think VY will make a very good pro QB. I'll gladly let anyone change my monikor and will root for VY if we take him.

 

[Frank_The_Tank]

You guys are crazy! LOL I hope that Reggie does not expect Houston to be L.A. if he does he will be disapointed. We are the concrete city baby, not Hollywood, we have hoods minus the holly if he wants to see them lol. I hope Vince works out awsome that way we can see some gray hair come out in Charley C's Hair. He looks like he sprays black spraypaint on his hair lol. I see that guy and I laugh so hard, his hair is awsome lol.

 

[Frank_The_Tank]

I watched the video of him at the USC pro day and I was saying to myself, Is it real? Now was a guy that old, in a stressfull job like his has a head full of solid black hair. LOL

 

[Mailman04]

You Texas Longhorn homers amaze me. Vince Young will be a bust, count on it and Houston isn't drafting him.

 

[Mathis13]

You Texas Longhorn homers amaze me. Vince Young will be a bust, count on it and Houston isn't drafting him.

Amen!!!

 

[awtysst]

I wouldnt bet my monikor, it is how yall know me here on the boards. A nice friendly bet about avatars on the other hand...

 

[TexanBacker93]

For real?! Where'd u hear that from, from what source?

Dude that just ruined my night, that sux.

It's been widely reported that he'll be here to meet with everyone on Thursday, the same as it's been reported that Young will be here on Friday. The Texans need to sit with these guys if they are considering investing the #1 pick on them. I'm pretty sure it's normal for the team with the #1 to have private visits with the top choices.

I don't think either VY or Bush will be busts. Neither pick would be bad, but considering the investment the team just made in Carr and the cost it would take to trade him, I think the pick is Bush.

 

[Tailgate]

You Texas Longhorn homers amaze me. Vince Young will be a bust, count on it and Houston isn't drafting him.

Texans won't draft Young.... but he won't be a bust either. Its just going to take him 3-4 years to start paying off.

 

[Hottoddie]

You Texas Longhorn homers amaze me. Vince Young will be a bust, count on it and Houston isn't drafting him.

Then put your moniker where your mouth is.

By the way, I'm not a UT homer. I have not now, nor have I ever, had any affilliation with UT. I just believe that Young better fits what Kubiak is planning on doing with our offense.

Denver has for years, been able to plug just about any RB into their system & watch them flourish. However, they had their greatest success when they had a mobile, passing QB by the name of John Elway ('83-'98). You know who his coach was during most of those years (doesn't include the 2 Superbowl years)? Dan Reeves ('81-'92), & he had a 117-79-1 record during his time there. No one can convince me that Reeves isn't going to have some say in this draft.

 

[infantrycak]

No one can convince me that Reeves isn't going to have some say in this draft.

And the 1st conclusion Reeves came to as a consultant was the problems with the team were more coaching than personnel--hence bye bye to the coaching staff, keeping CC and a maximum extension for Carr. Regardless of whether those decisions are correct, those are the tea leaves.

 

[Hottoddie]

And the 1st conclusion Reeves came to as a consultant was the problems with the team were more coaching than personnel--hence bye bye to the coaching staff, keeping CC and a maximum extension for Carr. Regardless of whether those decisions are correct, those are the tea leaves.

Tea leaves or not, Carr can be traded. How about the Jets? They could give us their 2nd round pick & considerations for next year, or possibly, the #29 pick in the first round this year. That way, they have their starting QB & can use the #4 pick on a franchise LT (D'Brick) to protect Carr. Seems to me like a good move on their part.

 

[texasguy346]

The Jets have Pennington under contract on the cheap, and they made a trade for Patrick Ramsey (a former 1st Rounder). I imagine Ramsey will win the starting job. Why would they trade for Carr when they've got a young strong armed QB in Ramsey?

 

[Mike Kerns]

Jesus, are we all the way back to the "Trade Carr" talk again ?

 

[BigBull17]

Then put your moniker where your mouth is.

By the way, I'm not a UT homer. I have not now, nor have I ever, had any affilliation with UT. I just believe that Young better fits what Kubiak is planning on doing with our offense.

Denver has for years, been able to plug just about any RB into their system & watch them flourish. However, they had their greatest success when they had a mobile, passing QB by the name of John Elway ('83-'98). You know who his coach was during most of those years (doesn't include the 2 Superbowl years)? Dan Reeves ('81-'92), & he had a 117-79-1 record during his time there. No one can convince me that Reeves isn't going to have some say in this draft.

Hate to break your heart, but Carr fits more into the Elway mold than VY does. Elway was mobile, but he had an absolute cannon attached to his shoulder. VY has more mobility and a better set of RB skills, but his arm strength leaves a little to be desired. Carr has decent wheels, a few moves, is pretty athletic and has the arm that more resembles Elways arm strength. But thats putting the cart befor the horse, cause neither Carr or VY should be put in the same zip code as one of if not the best QB to ever play the game.

 

[HJam72]

I'm not betting anything (just wanted to make that clear), but I don't believe for one minute that Young is going to be a Texan. I do still think there could be a last minute Trade Down. Mainly though, I just hope they either take Bush or Trade Down--I don't want to spend the #1 on anything else, like an OT for example. Wouldn't mind having one at all, but not with the #1. That's all.

 

[Lucky]

I'll take your bet, Hottoddie. You've needed a new handle, anyway. Don't worry, I'll be kind. I'm leaning to "I ♥ Reggie".

 

[Texan Asylum]

I don't believe the Texans are going to draft Bush. I truely believe that they want Young, & I'm willing to make a friendly (non-monetary) bet to prove it.

Here's the deal. The Texans have to have Bush on the roster (active or injured) for the opening regular season game next year. If he is, you can change my moniker (Hottoddie) to what ever you want it to be. If he's not, I get to do the same thing to your's. The change will stay in effect until next year's draft. Also, the name can't be obscene. If there are multiple takers on this wager, there'll be a drawing, of sorts, to choose who gets the honors. Something like, me picking a number between zero & the total number of winning participants.

Now, anyone that believes like I do & wants to join the "Bush won't be on the Texan's roster come opening day team", you are eligible to throw your moniker into the pot as well. When we win, we'll just divide up the spoils & start changing monikers.

I'll make this a public poll, so that we can all see who's on what side. If you vote, you're throwing your moniker into the pool & there's no taking it back.

So, how about it, any takers?

To quote a sig on this MB..."I'll be your Huckleberry". Call me crazy...Crazy?...I was crazy once, they locked me in a room...a padded room, man it was crazy. Crazy?...I was crazy once, they locked me in a room...a padded room, man it was crazy. Crazy?...I was crazy once.......


The bets ON. You better get ready for the "THE ULTIMATE MONIKER"!

EDITED...I can't BELIEVE I made that gaff!!!!!!

 

[powerfuldragon]

To quote a sig on this MB..."I'll be your Huckleberry". Not only will Bush be on the roster, I'll bet he's a major impact in the first opening game win in Texans history! Call me crazy.!

You're crazy. We've already had the best opening game win in the history of football.

 

[The Dude Abides]

For real?! Where'd u hear that from, from what source?

Dude that just ruined my night, that sux.

There's even a thread on the subject. That i started.

 

[HJam72]

Actually we've already won 2 opening games, if you count Miami (road game--I think it was).

 

[texplayer2]

I'll bet he's a major impact in the first opening game win in Texans history!

It would be real hard to beat that Cowboy game.

 

[Texan Asylum]

See above correction. I knew I was mentally deficient, but man.......
I would hope from previous posts, you guys would know that I know better than that.

 

[Texan Asylum]

Uhhhh, can I change my moniker NOW?

 

[texman8]

And the 1st conclusion Reeves came to as a consultant was the problems with the team were more coaching than personnel--hence bye bye to the coaching staff, keeping CC and a maximum extension for Carr. Regardless of whether those decisions are correct, those are the tea leaves.

Reeves is not with Texans anymore....He won't have any say in draft.

 

[infantrycak]

Reeves is not with Texans anymore....He won't have any say in draft.

Try telling that to Hottoddie--he was the one saying Reeves was going to spin the draft into a VY selection.

My point was looking at Reeves' involvement with the team, there is reason to believe he thinks Carr can be the guy. JMO but even if Reeves' official relationship with the team has ended, there is no doubt he'll answer the call if McNair gives him a call to get advice about the draft and it would be more suprising if such a call weren't made than if it was.

 

[Blake]

So, how about it, any takers?

I accept your bet on one condition. It seems that we have to pick a single player aka Reggie, and you get any other senario.

If you pick a player that the Texans take, and is on the roster opening day, then I will accept. If neither player is picked, then the bet is a wash.

 

[Tale Gator]

I'm guessing Hottoddie wanted to get rid of that moniker anyways.

 

[Mailman04]

You are on,, I will take your bet. Texans will draft Bush.

 

[whiskeyrbl]

I'm in, with both guys comung in this week I think Bush is coming to start contract negotiations, and VY is coming in to show his abilities,but only as a courtesy to a hometown favorite. Bush has already said he has been pricing houses here in Houston. Maybe I can find out more as my nephew works for a home builder who alot of "Texans" have purchased from in Sugarland. If he looks with them I will know and post it. So my moniker is on the line . GL

 

[jacquescas]

Ill bet my moniker and avatar Vince young will not be a Texan

 

[swtbound07]

Ill bet my moniker and avatar Vince young will not be a Texan

Your on. Pay me. He might not make our football team, but he is a TEXAN! semantics suck dont they?

 

[Hottoddie]

He he, just look at the suckers lining up. There's going to be a lot of new names around here next month.

By the way, for the one that thinks I'm getting to choose from all the other players, the bet is that Bush will not be on the Texan's team next year, not on which player they will pick.

 

[Hottoddie]

Also, remember, if you voted & your team loses, you're moniker will be changed. HJam72, you voted in the poll, which means you could have your moniker changed. If you don't want to take the chance, then you might want to see if a moderator can remove your vote. I think that I stated the rules clearly.

 

[Tejaspro]

Then put your moniker where your mouth is.

By the way, I'm not a UT homer. I have not now, nor have I ever, had any affilliation with UT. I just believe that Young better fits what Kubiak is planning on doing with our offense.
Denver has for years, been able to plug just about any RB into their system & watch them flourish. However, they had their greatest success when they had a mobile, passing QB by the name of John Elway ('83-'98). You know who his coach was during most of those years (doesn't include the 2 Superbowl years)? Dan Reeves ('81-'92), & he had a 117-79-1 record during his time there. No one can convince me that Reeves isn't going to have some say in this draft.

I understand that you "believe Young better fits that Kubiak is planning on doing with our offense". Just a thought.... you would think that if Kubiak thought Young better fit his plans.... he would draft Young. After all, it's his neck if he isn't successful.

Denver's greatest success came with a "mobile, passing QB by the name of John Elway." I don't know if you realize that David Carr is more in the mold of John Elway than Vince Young. John Elway was a pass first, run if you must QB. VY is more of a run first, pass if you must QB, ala.. Cunningham.

I agree.... Reeves is going to have something to say about who they draft.... you hide and watch.... it will be Reggie Bush, not Vince Young.

 

[infantrycak]

Denver's greatest success came with a "mobile, passing QB by the name of John Elway." I don't know if you realize that David Carr is more in the mold of John Elway than Vince Young.

Carr has not demonstrated anything close to Elway's rush awareness yet, but in terms of mobility they are more alike than Young and Elway. In 16 seasons, Elway never had a rushing total in excess of Carr's season high of 308, never exceeded Carr's yards per rush of 5.5 last year and had a career 4.4 ypc in comparison to Carr's 4.8. Kubiak hopefully has Carr reviewing tape of Elway on when to run, but the Denver system certainly doesn't call for someone with more mobility than Carr.

 

[KSig44]

Elway never had an OLine as swiss cheese as Carr either.

 

[el toro]

If Young wasn't from Houston and didn't play at UT this board would be screaming that the guy was overrated.

 

[KSig44]

Amen El Toro, Amen.

 

[infantrycak]

If Young wasn't from Houston and didn't play at UT this board would be screaming that the guy was overrated.

IMO that is wrong. VY is a legitimate consideration for the top pick. He is harder to analyze because he really isn't like prior QB's, but there is potential there in the right circumstances to be a fantastic QB. Liking one prospect doesn't necessitate running down any competitors.

 

[KSig44]

Show me a mock draft from the last two weeks that has him as either the first player taken or as the first QB. Then and only then will I believe he is worthy of the #1 pick.

 

[el toro]

IMO that is wrong. VY is a legitimate consideration for the top pick. He is harder to analyze because he really isn't like prior QB's, but there is potential there in the right circumstances to be a fantastic QB. Liking one prospect doesn't necessitate running down any competitors.

But he has project written all over him. His game is not ready for the league, and that's moreso than just the normal QB learning curve.

 

[Mr. White]

IMO that is wrong. VY is a legitimate consideration for the top pick. He is harder to analyze because he really isn't like prior QB's, but there is potential there in the right circumstances to be a fantastic QB. Liking one prospect doesn't necessitate running down any competitors.

Agreed. Now it's just a matter of time before somebody says that Leinart is a better QB than VY.....any second now.

***edit***
looks like they already did.

 

[infantrycak]

Show me a mock draft from the last two weeks that has him as either the first player taken or as the first QB. Then and only then will I believe he is worthy of the #1 pick.

Mock drafts are primarily need driven (despite NFL GM's talking repeatedly about BPA). Most folks see the resigning of Carr as an intent not to take a QB so you don't see Leinart or Young at #1 now do you?

Is there a homer element in the debate?--absolutely IMO because if there wasn't we would have a debate over drafting Leinart, Cutler or Young as is taking place in cities where QB's are actually being considered such as NO before getting Brees, TN or NY. For the record, if I were in charge and were going to draft any of the QB's this year I would have waived goodbye to Carr, brought in Kitna or Griese on a 2 year starter deal and drafted VY, but I would be worried about it working out and if he was the best of the 3 to take.

 

[Mike Kerns]

VY is a legitimate consideration for the top pick

Do you REALLY believe that ? Go to the Titans board & read some of their replies about how they are scared that Fisher & Chow will draft Young. He isn't even the best in the draft at his position. Why can none of you 's see this ? & before you call me an aggie, I am quite the UT fan.

 

[infantrycak]

Do you REALLY believe that ? Go to the Titans board & read some of their replies about how they are scared that Fisher & Chow will draft Young. He isn't even the best in the draft at his position. Why can none of you 's see this ? & before you call me an aggie, I am quite the UT fan.

First, you are misrepresenting the debate at the Titans MB because there are plenty of fans over there who like the idea of VY--it is by no means unanimous for him which was my point, but it isn't unanimously against him either as you try to depict. In other words there is a legitimate debate going on. Second, before you quote me as a VY homer you might want to read around the MB a little more.

 

[KSig44]

Some mock drafts are done by people in the know, or at least more so than ony one of us. I think they are a good tool to use.

Second, the homerism is no way to draft. I know Carr is not Elway or Marino, but if there was a highly ranked QB from their general area (Denver or Miami) that came out when they were in their mid to late 20's, do you think those teams would draft them based on homerism? Like I said, Carr is far from those two HOF QB's at this point, but the new coaching staff sees potential in him and think they can steer him right. I say let them do it and draft a player that will help the development.

 

[Tejaspro]

Mock drafts are primarily need driven (despite NFL GM's talking repeatedly about BPA). Most folks see the resigning of Carr as an intent not to take a QB so you don't see Leinart or Young at #1 now do you?

I don't necessarily disagree with your take, but... why wouldn't the resigning of Dominic Davis dissuade the mock drafters from drafting a RB @ #1? I mean, following the same logic?

 

[infantrycak]

I don't necessarily disagree with your take, but... why wouldn't the resigning of Dominic Davis dissuade the mock drafters from drafting a RB @ #1? I mean, following the same logic?

(a) Because his resigning was long before they realized they had the #1 pick, (b) Carr's was after the Texans earned the #1 pick , (c) DD can actually be cut for much less money until his next roster bonus is due if they wanted to, (d) most importantly most people view DD as a solid RB who if anything has been overused leading to injuries (e) who might benefit from splitting time with a superstar in RB while (f) adding a QB is going to be a waste of one of the QB's and most commentators off this MB feel Carr has more to show than he had an opportunity to do so at this point.

It's facially similar, but it is only a surface level comparison that looks that way.