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If you think Babin is Garbage.......
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Exascor said:
To give an example for your point, top half of the 1st round draft pick Terrell Suggs was a situational pass rusher his 1st year and may have only become the starter as soon as he did due to injury.
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SESupergenius
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I think Babin will be fine. Capers for some strange reason loves the baptism by fire concept. I personally don't agree with it because the newness and speed of the NFL is a little overwhelming for a lot of players. It's best to sit Babin for a bit, give him time to clear his head and make better decisions. This should piss him off so look for a sack by him this game.
I thought it was kind of interesting to go back and read some of the things people were saying about Babin when he was in college. One guy said he "plays with a lot of energy and the kind of quick ramp-up speed that is crucial to being one of the games elite sackmasters". I really doubt he could ever be among the best, but if they keep him focused on one thing, instead of having him where he ends up thinking too much and acting tentative, maybe he could become good at it. He averaged about 30 tackles for a loss and 15 sacks in his last two years before he was drafted, and I think you could call it a succesful move if he manages to get a third of that or close to it for the rest of the season.
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
cadahnic said:
ok well part of an ILB job is to cover,,,so thatd be a little pointless.
edo783
Hall of Fame
I think our defensive scheme has a lot to due with his production. It is well known it is a complicated, read and react scheme (sucks as far as I am concerned). I suspect he would do very well in an attacking type defense (see Steve Foley). With some time to learn this one (it's said it takes 2-3 years) he might be real good, but he also may not be. If he went to SD, I think he would shine.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Can Babin play Left tackle ? Just kidding .I do think the Texans coaches have created the dullest pro team in sports . No scoring , no turnovers , no sacks . Pretty soon the chearleaders will be wearing full length skirts .
Scottyboy
Waterboy
I agree with the Earl Van! COme on Mr.Mcnair, these coaches gotta go!!
Now on to what this tread was about, Jason Babin. He looked great in College, i really think it is Capers System that has alot of players not playing full speed. This D Scheme is Horrible!!! I have no Idea how he was a D.Coordinator, or a Head coach much less!!
Babin and Peek Will shine when the door hits Capers in the ars!
Now on to what this tread was about, Jason Babin. He looked great in College, i really think it is Capers System that has alot of players not playing full speed. This D Scheme is Horrible!!! I have no Idea how he was a D.Coordinator, or a Head coach much less!!
Babin and Peek Will shine when the door hits Capers in the ars!
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I do think the Texans coaches have created the dullest pro team in sports . No scoring , no turnovers , no sacks . Pretty soon the chearleaders will be wearing full length skirts .
I agree. If we cant salvage this season, I would like to see Capers gone and get an offensive minded HC and a blitzaholic DC. Im tired of seeing our defense get teams to 3rd and long just to have them convert. We only blitz 1 guy (not including our 3 down linemen) and have the rest run around in circles till they get past the 1st down line... I wanna see us bring the heat! I want to see 6 guys flying at the QB on 3rd and 6... I want to see us overload one side of the line and force some bad throws!
outofhnd
Rookie
That would be great if there was a guarantee we would get to the QB.
The whole problem is obvious, we thought Babin would be that guy (lamar lathan, Pat Swilling, Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd,) that could get to the QB in Capers system, and so far he isnt. I think part of his problem is his fascination with the spin move.. Everytime its totally ineffective. He is obviously giving himself away to the offense so they know what he is going to do he needs to change up his defensive moves and use his speed to pull the RT tackle outside then Swim back to the inside. when a QB sees his lineman moving back expecting the outside rush his natural reaction will be to step up into the pocket. If executed correctly Babin should atleast get a hand on the qb, a holding call, or ideally the sack.
The whole problem is obvious, we thought Babin would be that guy (lamar lathan, Pat Swilling, Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd,) that could get to the QB in Capers system, and so far he isnt. I think part of his problem is his fascination with the spin move.. Everytime its totally ineffective. He is obviously giving himself away to the offense so they know what he is going to do he needs to change up his defensive moves and use his speed to pull the RT tackle outside then Swim back to the inside. when a QB sees his lineman moving back expecting the outside rush his natural reaction will be to step up into the pocket. If executed correctly Babin should atleast get a hand on the qb, a holding call, or ideally the sack.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I think Babin tries hard he just is'nt an explosive athelete . Has anyone ever seen him knock the snot out of anyone on a tackle . I've seen Peek hit people so hard their heads snapped sideways . I bet Babin's not close to the 4.6 he ran at the combine .
Honoring Earl 34 said:
exactly, at the combine Babin had just shed 20 pounds and ran much faster than he is now.
A true workout warrior
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
stevo3883 said:
The commentators agreed at the time Babin was playing at way over his weight at 280 lbs and was at much more his normal weight at 260 lbs. He had been tryting to bulk up to DE in the NFL, OLB is his natural position or nothing.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Is it better to draft a player who has to add weight before the combine or is it better to draft a player who has to lose weight to have a good combine ?Derrick Johnson had to bulk up ... Babin had to drop twenty . If they both return to their natural weight , who has the advantage ?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Honoring Earl 34 said:
the combine is all about measurables. so it depends on the position & the weight or speed required. The athletes of today are so much more specialized and toned by trainers, diet specialists, they are able to tweek their bodies as desired after their playing weight during the season. this is also a prime time for the abuse of steriods to enhance performance. my thinking would question the player who adds or losses significant weight from his listed playing weight, however there are always exceptions
Babin never loss 20 lbs for the combide.I don't know where that came from,he did train for 4 months after his last college game in N J .I don't believe he ever played at 280.He played great against Iowa,Mich. Wis. Vir. & Vir Tech.He will become a good player for the Texans I think he played OK last year and he should improve his play this year.Why isn't anyone on this board is saying anything about his shoulder problem maybe thats why he is not playing to this boards standards.Also don't forget he didn't ask the Texans to give up 4 picks in the draft to get him.(That always keeps coming up on this board)
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
There were multiple reports around the time of the draft that Babin had played as high as the low 280's and that he had lost a lot of his explosiveness at that weight, hence his label as a tweener--not a Jason Taylor, Freeney physical freak that can make 265 work at DE and not able to carry more weight on his body. Nothing wrong with that and frankly it looks to me after having watched him for a couple years like he could actually drop down to 250 or so and be faster and more effective as he still looks a little soft at 260+. As for a shoulder injury, maybe we don't give it any credit because we haven't heard anything about one. Care to fill us in?
yaboycm said:If you think Babin is Garbage look at who we brought in and decided not to sign..................................
For those of you who are Ravens Linebacker Impaired. They have a linebacker factor over there. That's Peter Bowlware making a play on the team we are playing this week. Instead of getting rid of Sharper, we should have paired the formerback together!!!!!!
YOUNG because he still has to finish this season and play his Sr year so he will be much better than he is right now and thats scary............Chris Leak is also an option in my heart
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
T.I.C.E. said:Peek is bigger than Babs Bunny (J. Babin). I dont care what the board says I saw them at the Cowgirls game up close in person and Babs is smaller and Knock-kneed!!!
You need to be more specific. Peek is taller, but Babin is heavier. Pick what you define as bigger.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Scottyboy said:I agree with the Earl Van! COme on Mr.Mcnair, these coaches gotta go!!
Now on to what this tread was about, Jason Babin. He looked great in College, i really think it is Capers System that has alot of players not playing full speed. This D Scheme is Horrible!!! I have no Idea how he was a D.Coordinator, or a Head coach much less!!
Babin and Peek Will shine when the door hits Capers in the ars!
You know, I have to say I agree with this. How do players regress like this? Because they are thinking and reacting, and not playing instinctively. This **** is four years old now. Come on Mcnair, we need a change, and time is a wastin.
edo783
Hall of Fame
That is what I have been saying for two years. The defense isn't a dissruptive one, but a read and react type and that is causing delays in getting things done and we are not going after the QB aggresivly. All of which adds up to something kind of wierd.....a passive defense.
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SESupergenius
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Just like when Sharper was dinged up at the end of the year last year, people around here were flying off the handle that he was not good anymore. Well Babins play may have been inhibited as well