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If you are Carr do you quit the Texans this year?

Fldvldog said:
Don't take this the wrong way texan fans, but I beleive that Carr is the next Tim Couch (minus the playoff appearances).
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LOL the Jags have their own problems with Leftwich.

How many points did y'all score last year? Oh thats right not very many!!
Your defense carries your team.

Leftwich + Texans O-line = #1 overall pick in the Draft.
 
LBC_Justin said:
LOL the Jags have their own problems with Leftwich.

How many points did y'all score last year? Oh thats right not very many!!
Your defense carries your team.

Leftwich + Texans O-line = #1 overall pick in the Draft.
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Lefty looked like Marino yesterday. Carr looked like Betty White. Last year is just what it is, last year. Now, with that said I always have liked Carr, and hope he will become a top QB in the league. Maybe its not him or the o-line. Could it be the blocking scheme? BTW Jags put up 26 yesterday. Oh, more importantly got the W.
 
I agree that Carr is basically getting cippled out there. I don't think Vick, P. Manning, McNabb, McNair, Brady, and dare I say Rothlesberger would survive behind our O-line.
 
I knew there was a reason we should have kept Drew Henson.. :heh: We could have alternated series to keep both from taking a severe beating
 
Lets put the blame where it needs to be, Palmers mom. If she never gave birth to him then he wouldnt be our O/C.

There is said it.
 
Gr8fan, I know you are a fan. I just vehemently disagree with you.
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no insult taken rafterticket, but thank you for the apology offered.

and on this you and I will just have to vehemently disagree with each other.

Hey, I'm OK with that though. If this board had a bunch of 'yes men' it would be pretty boring, IMHO.

and just for the record, I don't put the entire loss on the shoulders of Carr. I think the entire organization 'shoulders' some of the blame. From Casserly down to the towel boys. No one person makes an embarrassing loss like that happen all by themselves. But I do think Carr shares a 'lions share' share of blame. I can certainly understand that some would not agree with that though.

At the end of the day, or high noon come Sunday, we will all be in agreement though that we are ............. :texflag: fans
 
If I was Carr.. I would be out the door as fast as my feet could take me.

He is getting NO help down here, if he stays, he will more than likely be forced into early retirement.. either because of injury, or lack of production due to countless seasons with no protection.

If I was him.. id take a job riding the pine for whoever has a good Oline.
 
Carr is ready to go. At least I hope so. He has a great arm, but terrible field vision. I am tired of watching him roll to the right. Everyone knows exactly what he is going to do. His eyes never leave the receiver. If he is going to take a deep drop, why not just line up in the shot-gun, it would give him more time. I think that Carr could turn this thing around if he changes 2 things. 1. Line-up in the shot-gun 2. Where a dark shield on his helmet.
 
lod01 said:
I will pay this pile of trash to leave. He totally sucks.
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Gosh what a nasty remark.

The guy is active in the community, gives back to the community and has been an upstanding citizen. He's hardly a pile of trash as you say. :brickwall
 
TEXANRED said:
I have an idea, I think that Palmer and Pendry should play Qb this weekend and then lets see if they come back and tell us how great the zone block scheme is.
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Now there's a good idea!
 
Rightnow said:
David Carr has the potential to be a very good quarterback in this league. There are teams like the Ravens or the Bears that would kill to have Carr.

If at the end of this season he gets sacked for an average like yesterday (5x16=80) eighty times, does he demand to leave?

I would. Even if my career is no better, at least I will be able to walk without a cain when I'm 30. The Texans could probably get at least a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him. Then Bob fires the entire front office and starts fresh and new.
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Actually Carr should be thankfull we have made him a poster child that cant do no wrong your post proves it. you think carr has nothing to do with his poor performance if ive said it once ive said a million times David carr played his college ball for fresno state wich equals the WAC ala trent dilfer and so many other worthless qb's over time. his weak schedule in college made him seem like a good qb but honestly even you know he isnt. i pray management sees that look at david stat last just last year and you will see when tony banks was in the game he had a higher QB rating higher touchdown to interception ratio dont lie to yourself about david carr ive seen this coming forever now and some fans are starting to see it too. its just sad we couldnt predict the future because i bet you our first round pick our franchise pretty boy would of been Julius Peppers. right now i say there are about 28 qbs i rather have than carr hell ill even take old *** kurt my wife looks like a man on heroin warner.
 
I was just thinking that elite...I hear Ramsey wants to be traded from the Redskins :embarrass ...or maybe we could trade for Phillip Rivers? :confused: :challenge :crying:
 
Wolf said:
this is from after the SD game in 2002 where we took a beating then

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20020915_HOU@SD

I bet he feels the same way after this week, except attitude has changed.
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Attitude has definitely changed. NFL.com calling him "broken Carr"
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Well, if Carr has lost faith in the system, that should be a big incentive for McNair to make sweeping changes.
 
HoustonFan said:
I agree that Carr is basically getting cippled out there. I don't think Vick, P. Manning, McNabb, McNair, Brady, and dare I say Rothlesberger would survive behind our O-line.
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THANK YOU. That was my point!
 
rafterticket said:
Okay. Outside of them hitting Murphy and Bruenner, and Carr getting a "moral completion" on Zombie Gaffney, I can't blame him for sleeping a little in the booth.
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LOL. After reading these threads the moral completion stands out as Carr's highlight yesterday.

Zombie Gaffney, nice.
 
I personally think we will go out of our way to get some linemen in town. And we might have to overpay, but I don't see Carr leaving unless Ragone steps up.

I personally don't see us using a 1st rounder on another QB..it is a lineman
 
WWJD said:
Gosh what a nasty remark.

The guy is active in the community, gives back to the community and has been an upstanding citizen. He's hardly a pile of trash as you say. :brickwall
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I agree. We may have disagreements about what is wrong with the team but Carr is an upstanding character guy.
 
Bottle-O-Bud said:
I think Carr will not be resigned!

Coaches do not want to admit that they have any fault at all so it's basically Carr vs the Coaches now. One way or another one party will not remain in houston after this season.
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If that happened and I was Carr, I'd get at that QB and pray w/ him for his health.

McNair, I'm sure you have an idea about the game of football. Your QB is getting butchered out there. I don't care who you put back there at QB, he's gonna get sacked. It's a shame that w/ all of that talent they just can't get the job done. The plays suck, I'm surprised AJ even made it to the Pro Bowl last season, I think back on it I don't think AJ touched the ball ENOUGH and still isn't. But when he did, WOW!!! How often is the tight end used? This is probably going to end up becoming my signature until it happens consistently... WE WANT TO WIN!!!!
 
NFLforher said:
I agree. We may have disagreements about what is wrong with the team but Carr is an upstanding character guy.
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I agree. Carr is a good guy. That was harsh callng him a piece of trash.
 
The comment was harsh. Carr is a good person of high character.

Having said that, I am starting to have significant doubts about him as a franchise quarterback. Granted, the pass protection has been horrendous, but on those (rare) occasions when he has time, he holds the ball too long and doesn't seem as crisp as the top quarterbacks in the league.

I had aspirations he could be a Pro Bowl type player, and that's still possible if the protection and offensive schemes ever get any good, but I'm not so sure anymore. It may be that for all his athletic ability, he's simply going to be an average to slightly above-average QB. I hope I'm wrong.
 
HardCoreTxn said:
Coaching staff!Coaching staff!Coaching staff!
open your friggin eyes BOB!
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Totally wrong dom capers or palmer are not out in the field locking down on one reciever or throwing 3 interceptions coaching can only take some blame for bad calls not for bad throws. it doesnt matter how much you want to believe david is a troy aikman in the making wich i heard that in the past and was totally funny lol.
 
CowboysTexansFan said:
The comment was harsh. Carr is a good person of high character.

Having said that, I am starting to have significant doubts about him as a franchise quarterback. Granted, the pass protection has been horrendous, but on those (rare) occasions when he has time, he holds the ball too long and doesn't seem as crisp as the top quarterbacks in the league.

I had aspirations he could be a Pro Bowl type player, and that's still possible if the protection and offensive schemes ever get any good, but I'm not so sure anymore. It may be that for all his athletic ability, he's simply going to be an average to slightly above-average QB. I hope I'm wrong.
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Read this post from another BB. It's another take on it.

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Now THAT is a great post.

Here's my favorite part:

"I read where another GM said that if he were David Carr he'd sue Casserly for lack of support."
 
If I'm McNair...

I fire Capers after we get blown out at home against the Steelers.

I trade Carr for some first round draft picks, or for a better o lineman that's in the league right now.

I tell the new coach to lose every game the rest of the season. So, basically just keep things the way they are.

Then, with the first pick in next year's draft I take Matt Leinart of USC.

If I got a high first rounder with my Carr trade, I package other draft picks and trade up to get a top 10 o lineman in what is known as an o lineman rich draft.

We get a QB who has proven he can win under pressure. We get a new coach. We get a better o lineman or two, and we start this thing over again with a better situation than what we have at the moment.
 
I'd like to see Banks and Ragone against the Steelers, just to see what happens. Hey, we're gonna lose anyway. idonno:
 
I remember when we got into the shotgun and was sacked ..I believe it was the 3rd play of the game
 
Wolf said:
I personally think we will go out of our way to get some linemen in town. And we might have to overpay, but I don't see Carr leaving unless Ragone steps up.

I personally don't see us using a 1st rounder on another QB..it is a lineman
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Y'all have needed an OL ever since you started in this league. In your 4th year your OL has yet to be addressed. That doesn't bode well for Carr. I feel downright sorry for the guy.
 
bbills4life,

I agree. I said in an earlier post, I don't care what QB was taking snaps. They could not be effective with a swarm of defensive players attacking you. When you do have a little time, you are so shell shocked that you expect to get hit any moment!

bobby 119C :brickwall
 
I think we have to face the reality that Carr, Casserly, and Capers are linked. I think if you get rid of Carr you are essentially getting rid of Casserly and Capers. Now that being said I'm not sure if we get rid of Cass and Cap if that'll mean we are getting rid of Carr but it would be hard for me to see a new staff not doing so.

I think Cass and Capers shoulder the majority of the blame for our current offensive woes. Cass seems to want to bring back the Redskins of OLD when that thought process is out of date. Capers offenses in CAR were never good just good enough. Ours isn't even that.

I was done with these two when they said D. Johnson couldn't play in our system b/c he played in a 4-3 and then we went out and got a DT that played in a what....4-3. Then draft a BACKUP RB in the 3rd round with OL still available that had starting potential.

ALL THAT SAID..........ITS ONLY BEEN ONE GAME PEOPLE. LET'S JUST CALM DOWN. Maybe this week will be better. (It better be anyway.)
 
Ok I was BADLY mistaken. With the steelers in town let's just HOPE we don't get blown out by 50.....with their defense scoring 40 of the points.

Can you IMAGINE how many blitzes we'll see? I mean will how will the steelers even be able to sleep with that much excitement of sacks galore on the horizon.

There is a REAL possibility we start off 0-3 this year because Cincy is looking real good. We should beat the Titans for our first victory.

The whole NFL nation will see just how porous our o-line is when we play the seahawks on national tv.
 
I think the Texans should take a long hard look at themselves and step up and start taking responsibilities of their short comings. This "No Blame - No Responsibilty" attitude reminds me of "Pop-Warner Soccer"... We're all Winners!!! BullSHHH.... "Chris" Palmer should have been gone a long time ago! "Carr" should be right out the door behind him! This TEAM sold their souls to this kid, who no one ever even heard of in the collegiate conferences when he was drafted. (probably played at the junior college level - Chris Palmer was the scout). "Capers" should be fired for being asleep at the wheel. Even Helen Keller would have seen this train wreck coming. And finally, "Casserly" should have the ax as well, because he is in fact the "General Manager" and his job is the overall function and operation of the TEAM. To let his subordinates drive the start of this 4th season into the ground like a flaming yellow yard dart is an understatement. I am a season ticket holder, and to having to sit through these past two games of an "Elite NFL Organization" has left me jilted and jaded. THIS ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER.
 
Napalm said:
I think the Texans should take a long hard look at themselves and step up and start taking responsibilities of their short comings. This "No Blame - No Responsibilty" attitude reminds me of "Pop-Warner Soccer"... We're all Winners!!! BullSHHH.... "Chris" Palmer should have been gone a long time ago! "Carr" should be right out the door behind him! This TEAM sold their souls to this kid, who no one ever even heard of in the collegiate conferences when he was drafted. (probably played at the junior college level - Chris Palmer was the scout). "Capers" should be fired for being asleep at the wheel. Even Helen Keller would have seen this train wreck coming. And finally, "Casserly" should have the ax as well, because he is in fact the "General Manager" and his job is the overall function and operation of the TEAM. To let his subordinates drive the start of this 4th season into the ground like a flaming yellow yard dart is an understatement. I am a season ticket holder, and to having to sit through these past two games of an "Elite NFL Organization" has left me jilted and jaded. THIS ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER.
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Thats what ive been saying all along this Great QB we have played at Best Pee-Wee football in college and that is sad. but argue with these :homer: 's they think david is the next coming of dan marino only 1,000,000,000 times better and that the funny thing or sad thing is david played for fresno state in the WAC wich Stand for Weak As$ conference and he still wasnt as good as trent dilfer was so that means Our Beloved Qb Could not do better than Trent dilfer ever did and thats not saying much. So Carr Lovers yall must think Trent Dilfer is a hall of famer. David should be charged with Robbery and Fraud All the money that their paying him.
 
I guess we are screwed then... Ragone is from Louisville .."small college" players don't make it to succeed in the NFL.. :rolleyes:

I for one think Carr can be solid IF they get his head on straight and get a scheme that fits his style of playing. The scheme whoever put together for this team, stinks.. esp when you can't get your playmaker the ball consistantly.


Maybe Capers will learn something out of this.. I mean it too Jeff Fisher to lose Eddie George to appreciate McNair's ability. (by no means comparing Carr to McNair.. but just saying we aren't using Carr's ability right)

BTW lets get an OL
 
Wolf said:
I guess we are screwed then... Ragone is from Louisville .."small college" players don't make it to succeed in the NFL.. :rolleyes:

I for one think Carr can be solid IF they get his head on straight and get a scheme that fits his style of playing. The scheme whoever put together for this team, stinks.. esp when you can't get your playmaker the ball consistantly.


Maybe Capers will learn something out of this.. I mean it too Jeff Fisher to lose Eddie George to appreciate McNair's ability. (by no means comparing Carr to McNair.. but just saying we aren't using Carr's ability right)

BTW lets get an OL
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Some do but not carr Pee-Wee Football ever develops into nfl greatness.
 
From what i saw from Carson Palmer, im liking them USC QB's, I have officially gave up on Carr. If we are to ever be winners, i think he needs to pull a Drew Brees or number 8 is not on our team.

Trade Carr before the trade deadline for whatever we can get. Start Ragone, most likely he will fall too, then by that time we will have a 1-15 season then we draft Matt Leinert. Let's Sabotage this season!!!, ahaah, naw im serious. Darn Carr is untradable cuz his salery to high

Carr needs to go, the Front Office needs to Go, the WHole Oline needs to go.
 
I don't think it will up to Carr. I don't see McNair exercising Carr's option. Especially if he cleans out the current coaching staff.
 
Take it for what it's worth but all the guys on 610 including John McClain have said it's a done deal that the Texans hang on to David by paying his bonus. I'd be one to explore the possibilities of going in another direction but supposedly the guys in the "know" think they won't make a change. And I don't know enough about another direction to even know if that would be wise. I'm not that familiar with other QB's in the league or guys coming up in the draft other than the obvious..Leinart.
 
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