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If you are Carr do you quit the Texans this year?

Rightnow

Rightnow

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David Carr has the potential to be a very good quarterback in this league. There are teams like the Ravens or the Bears that would kill to have Carr.

If at the end of this season he gets sacked for an average like yesterday (5x16=80) eighty times, does he demand to leave?

I would. Even if my career is no better, at least I will be able to walk without a cain when I'm 30. The Texans could probably get at least a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him. Then Bob fires the entire front office and starts fresh and new.
 
My answer is yes. I'm not saying that Carr is the next Aikmen, Montana, Elway, etc., etc., but that O-line endangers his health AND makes him look really bad. I can't believe we are in our fourth year and have a line that gets blown away like that. It's pathetic.

I wouldn't blame him or AJ if they left together and wound up on the same team, although I have no idea what AJ's contract status is.
 
if he does quit, it will when Casserly says "you can quit or we can fire you, which one is your choice".

No team in the NFL is going to put him under center as a starter, cause the rest of the NFL can see he ain't smart enough to run an offense.
 
if no significant changes are made, it's time for carr to move on to another team that will give him a chance to succeed. The texans have not provided him with protection and have not advanced him a a qb.
 
if no significant changes are made, it's time for carr to move on to another team that will give him a chance to succeed. The texans have not provided him with protection and have not advanced him a a qb.
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Did you notice yesterday when Carr threw one of his INT's was one of the ONLY times he had time?
 
texan279 said:
Did you notice yesterday when Carr threw one of his INT's was one of the ONLY times he had time?
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Yes, i did, we have not advanced him as a qb. He's either not getting enough time, or makes bad choices when he has time. He needs a better line and coach to help him suceed, or he may just not have IT. With andre getting triple coverage, one would expect another receiver to be open. He locks onto receivers early allowing defenders to react.
 
First of all, this is crazy!

IT IS NOT DAVID'S FAULT! If he had a decent O-line that gave him time to make plays and was still making consistant mistakes, then I'd say OK, maybe we have a problem...

Reality is he's working with what he's been given, and you have to give the man credit for guttin' it out week in and week out, KNOWING he's going to spend those 3 hours running for his life before eventually being put on his a**.

You want to blame someone? Blame the coaching staff...all the way to the top! I promise you...you put the putz in there ( Brady ) and he'd have the same problems.

Yesterday during the game, someone had the nerve to compare David to Rob Johnson. That was just....WRONG! RJ made bad decisions. He HAD protection, he just didn't know what to do. David KNOWS what to do, he just hasn't been given the opportunity to DO it.

David, if you're reading this, please don't give up on us. But, if I were you, I would be DEMANDING a new O-line...

:twocents:
 
I disagree, David is playing very badly and has since the end of last year. No its not all his fault but 4 turnovers speaks volumes.
 
IT IS NOT DAVID'S FAULT! If he had a decent O-line that gave him time to make plays and was still making consistant mistakes, then I'd say OK, maybe we have a problem
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No offense to you, but I'm sick of reading this bull. David has to step up just like the rest of them. I'm pretty sure before the game he puts on his jock strap the same way everyone else does. I have always supported David and have always expected big things from him. I'm starting to worry now. It's kinda like Steve Francis. All that talent. All that ability. Just never could put it togethor on a consistent basis.
 
I have an idea, I think that Palmer and Pendry should play Qb this weekend and then lets see if they come back and tell us how great the zone block scheme is.
 
We should get Vince Young next year, he'll be the scrambling queen of Texas!

Then we would get a QB that expects the line to collapse AND can run like a madman.. :)
 
Yes, i did, we have not advanced him as a qb. He's either not getting enough time, or makes bad choices when he has time. He needs a better line and coach to help him suceed, or he may just not have IT. With andre getting triple coverage, one would expect another receiver to be open. He locks onto receivers early allowing defenders to react.
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Why would we need to upgrade the O line if when Carr does have time he throws INT's? To give him more time to throw more INT's? I ain't saying our O line is perfect, but there are a lot of people here who are blaming everything and everyone under the sun for Carr's performance of late except for Carr...Carr has good arm strength and is mobile, but I guess that is about it. He has no field vision, he does not look off defenders, and his accuracy has been horrible lately. His rating was like 12.9 yesterday, his 2nd lowest in 4 years. IMO Carr is starting to show he will never be more than an average NFL QB who cannot remain consistent and will probably be a career #2 somewhere. I am just tired of alot of people here not even placing some of the blame on Carr...And people freaked when I posted about Carr in the preseason, "Oh it's just preseason, it doesn't mean anything" or "Just give him more time" or "we need a new O line", now some of those who were freaking are calling for his head...
 
texan_fan said:
First of all, this is crazy!

IT IS NOT DAVID'S FAULT! If he had a decent O-line that gave him time to make plays and was still making consistant mistakes, then I'd say OK, maybe we have a problem...

Reality is he's working with what he's been given, and you have to give the man credit for guttin' it out week in and week out, KNOWING he's going to spend those 3 hours running for his life before eventually being put on his a**.

You want to blame someone? Blame the coaching staff...all the way to the top! I promise you...you put the putz in there ( Brady ) and he'd have the same problems.

Yesterday during the game, someone had the nerve to compare David to Rob Johnson. That was just....WRONG! RJ made bad decisions. He HAD protection, he just didn't know what to do. David KNOWS what to do, he just hasn't been given the opportunity to DO it.

David, if you're reading this, please don't give up on us. But, if I were you, I would be DEMANDING a new O-line...

:twocents:
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Exactly! You can have Manning back there and he would be nowhere NEAR where he's at with Indy. Without an offensive line, you have NO OFFENSE. We've been fighting this problem for YEARS, and only now are things SLOWLY starting to come together.
 
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Rightnow said:
David Carr has the potential to be a very good quarterback in this league. There are teams like the Ravens or the Bears that would kill to have Carr.
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Ity rediculous to assign the blame on Carr when these same experts knew that our o-line was not addressed. Oh wait yes it was it was Riley, sorry my bad. Ever since we got Riley our offensive line has been solid and that kid from Fresno had better start putting up on his end of the deal.

the level of insight from the so called "veteran" members is shocking.
 
"Fact...J.P. Losman is the reincarnation of Kenny Stabler." - Matty Fitz

...that caught my eye 279... maybe so. Stabler was one of my favorites of all time ... his 2 minute drills can't be beat!
And Losman was out there just having fun.... no pressure, no stress whatsoever. He looked great!
As for Carr ... :confused: ... just don't know anymore.
 
...that caught my eye 279... maybe so. Stabler was one of my favorites of all time ...the excitement he created .. his 2 minute drills can't be beat! And Losman was out there just having fun.... no pressure, no stress whatsoever. He looked great!
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Honestly, um, I don't care for J.P. Losman I just think Matty Fitz's commercials on the NFL Network are hilarious, and that phrase comes from my favorite Matty Fitz commercial...
 
Don't take this the wrong way texan fans, but I beleive that Carr is the next Tim Couch (minus the playoff appearances).
 
Malloy said:
We should get Vince Young next year, he'll be the scrambling queen of Texas!

Then we would get a QB that expects the line to collapse AND can run like a madman.. :)
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I like Vince Young as much as the next guy, but he is not NFL ready YET. Much less put him behind an overall poor o-line and its downhill from there.
 
thegr8fan said:
if he does quit, it will when Casserly says "you can quit or we can fire you, which one is your choice".

No team in the NFL is going to put him under center as a starter, cause the rest of the NFL can see he ain't smart enough to run an offense.
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What are you supposed to be a Gr8 fan of? To me you sound very average.
 
LCROD said:
I like Vince Young as much as the next guy, but he is not NFL ready YET. Much less put him behind an overall poor o-line and its downhill from there.
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Well, at least he CAN run when the entire line collapses :)
 
To answer the original question:

Yes, if things continue as they have, I, as David Carr, would ask to leave. I would do whatever possible to get off of this team IF THINGS CONTINUE AS THEY HAVE.

We have shell shocked this guy, and haven't done much to help his career.
 
texan279 said:
Because he speaks the truth and doesn't look at everything through battle red glasses?
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No. The both of you are so "average" in the way you place the blame on one guy, when there is SO much blame to go around on this issue, from ALL eleven offensive starters all the way up to Charlie Casserly. Meanwhile, Dom and Charlie keep spewing the same ****. You know, the "well...we didn't get things done and that's just something we got to work on before next week..". The fact is they were unprepared with no game plan and no will to execute the plays they were assigned to run. EVERY FREAKING ONE OF THEM!

Did anyone hear Brent Jones yesterday? "Is it just me, or do the Texans never pass on first down?" He questioned the coaching many times, too. I was never the biggest 49er fan, but I sure do respect a player of his caliber.

I think Carr had potential, but he got hosed by his coaching staff and his GM. He looked shellshocked.....no, worse; he looked like my dad's gunshy birddog. I always admired the way Carr could take a mean hit and get right back up. Whatever that was, it was gone yesterday. I take this much back - he had a pair to just to line UP with that offense.

Kudos to the defense. What they did with the holes they were placed in is not bad. With a lesser unit, it could have been 42-7.

So....if you want to continue placing the blame on one guy, please continue. I just think the last thing you can call yourself is a great fan, if you aren't angry and critical with some perspective.
 
If I was Carr and kept taking a beating like last Sunday I would go to the media on my own and call out the Texan's organization. There would be a large price to pay behind the scenes, but not having a broken neck would be worth it. He is not going to make the season if he gets sacked 3-6 times a game and is running while trying to slide, and is hurled out of bounds as he tries to get the first. Nobody can take that abuse. :goodnight
 
Did anyone hear Brent Jones yesterday? "Is it just me, or do the Texans never pass on first down?" He questioned the coaching many times, too. I was never the biggest 49er fan, but I sure do respect a player of his caliber.
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I heard him and when he said it at 4:22 in the third quarter, the Texans had passed (or attempted to pass) on first down 7 times and ran it 7 times. Maybe he was a good player but he's not real observant.
 
No. The both of you are so "average" in the way you place the blame on one guy, when there is SO much blame to go around on this issue, from ALL eleven offensive starters all the way up to Charlie Casserly. Meanwhile, Dom and Charlie keep spewing the same ****. You know, the "well...we didn't get things done and that's just something we got to work on before next week..". The fact is they were unprepared with no game plan and no will to execute the plays they were assigned to run. EVERY FREAKING ONE OF THEM!
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I know Carr is not the only one to blame, we can blame Fangio for fluff playcalling yesterday, or how about Palmer for the conservative playcalling, I could go on and on. But I am tired of some not wanting to put any blame at all on Carr, blaming the O line, the O coordinator, the QB coach and so on. It is ridiculous. You wanna know why I am so down on Carr? Look at what he did yesterday, when he did have time to throw a ball he would throw into double or triple coverage, which is where 2 of his picks came from, when he DID have tim, CANNOT blame the O line for that. Marc Bulger was sacked SEVEN times yesterday and threw for 356 yards 2 TD and 1 INT. Face it Carr is not a good decision maker, has no field of vision, and cannot look off defenders, and his accuracy has been horrible lately. You know Carr was our #1 pick and is making almost $9 million dollars this season is the reason I am the toughest on Carr, he needs to start performing like a #1 pick, but those of you defending him and saying he has no blame whatsoever go ahead and keep thinking that...
 
aj. said:
I heard him and when he said it at 4:22 in the third quarter, the Texans had passed (or attempted to pass) on first down 7 times and ran it 7 times. Maybe he was a good player but he's not real observant.
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Okay. Outside of them hitting Murphy and Bruenner, and Carr getting a "moral completion" on Zombie Gaffney, I can't blame him for sleeping a little in the booth.
 
Why would we need to upgrade the O line if when Carr does have time he throws INT's? To give him more time to throw more INT's? I ain't saying our O line is perfect, but there are a lot of people here who are blaming everything and everyone under the sun for Carr's performance of late except for Carr...
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In response to texan279 - you have repeatedly focused on this play. I think what most people are trying to say is the O-line and coaching staff are responsible for getting Carr to where he is right now. Carr is not a good QB right now, and I'm not sure I have seen anyone say so. What I see are a bunch of people disappointed in his performance to this point, when he obviously has the talent to be a Pro Bowl QB. The point I keep raising is that yes, he has underperformed, and may in fact be ruined completely. But if you think sticking another QB in this situation is going to solve anything, you're wrong. And that, to me, says volumes about how much of the blame for where things are today can be laid at Carr's feet. Carr certainly has some culpability for his performance issues on a game-by-game basis, but when you look at the overall picture for the last 3 seasons, there is a recurring theme - Carr getting killed. At this point, he's gunshy, has happy feet, and may never develop into the QB that we all envisioned. For that, our coaches need to stand accountable. And before we put another "franchise" QB in there, we need to fix the reaql problem. We're all complaining about the paint job when the engine is missing on all cylinders.
 
Texans Pride said:
We have shell shocked this guy, and haven't done much to help his career.
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With the pounding he has taken I actually feel sorry for him. His confidence seems shaken to the core. He seems frustrated beyonf belief. Sad.
 
In response to texan279 - you have repeatedly focused on this play. I think what most people are trying to say is the O-line and coaching staff are responsible for getting Carr to where he is right now. Carr is not a good QB right now, and I'm not sure I have seen anyone say so. What I see are a bunch of people disappointed in his performance to this point, when he obviously has the talent to be a Pro Bowl QB. The point I keep raising is that yes, he has underperformed, and may in fact be ruined completely. But if you think sticking another QB in this situation is going to solve anything, you're wrong. And that, to me, says volumes about how much of the blame for where things are today can be laid at Carr's feet. Carr certainly has some culpability for his performance issues on a game-by-game basis, but when you look at the overall picture for the last 3 seasons, there is a recurring theme - Carr getting killed. At this point, he's gunshy, has happy feet, and may never develop into the QB that we all envisioned. For that, our coaches need to stand accountable. And before we put another "franchise" QB in there, we need to fix the reaql problem. We're all complaining about the paint job when the engine is missing on all cylinders.
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LOL everyone wants to blame everone else for Carr "underachieving". Carr will never be more than an average NFL QB, if that. If all of this is the O line's and coaches fault, why has Carr regressed after we added Riley to the O line and the coaching staff has not changed...One more performance like this, and Carr will be in the media's hot seat instead of Harrington, Joey actuallly did something yesterday...
 
lod01 said:
I will pay this pile of trash to leave. He totally sucks.
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and let me ask, do you really think that you are going to get a good Qb to come down here? ummm no. The only way you will get a desent QB is threw the draft and the whole thing that happened to Carr is going to happen all over again.

stop being cheep. Fix the Oline
 
LOL everyone wants to blame everone else for Carr "underachieving". Carr will never be more than an average NFL QB, if that. If all of this is the O line's and coaches fault, why has Carr regressed after we added Riley to the O line and the coaching staff has not changed...One more performance like this, and Carr will be in the media's hot seat instead of Harrington, Joey actuallly did something yesterday...
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That's easy ... first we added VICTOR FRIGGIN RILEY! Second, the coaching staff has NOT changed. These are the precise issues I'm addressing. If you can honestly say to yourself that any other QB would be anywhere differently after 3 years in this system, then we have nothing more to discuss.
 
That's easy ... first we added VICTOR FRIGGIN RILEY! Second, the coaching staff has NOT changed. These are the precise issues I'm addressing. If you can honestly say to yourself that any other QB would be anywhere differently after 3 years in this system, then we have nothing more to discuss.
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You just made my point for me thank you...If things have been the same for the last 3 seasons, why has Carr regressed and not at least kept up his performance of the last 2 or 3 seasons? Last season he threw only 14 INT's all season and has 3 already this season in one game...Face it Carr=Couch
 
What are you supposed to be a Gr8 fan of? To me you sound very average.
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well is sure ain't David Carr, now is it. :texflag:

and not that I really OWE you some kind of answer, but since I am feeling ina generous mood today, I am thegr8fan of the Texans as a whole. As embarrassing as that is to admit to after yesterdays game. It doesn't mean I am going to watch them play like a bunch of smucks and NOT say anything about it.

But I also like to stay on topic and the topic of this thread was David Carr, not the Texans as a team.
 
texan279 said:
You just made my point for me thank you...If things have been the same for the last 3 seasons, why has Carr regressed and not at least kept up his performance of the last 2 or 3 seasons? Last season he threw only 14 INT's all season and has 3 already this season in one game...Face it Carr=Couch
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You have no clue. Sure Carr made mistakes yesterday, we were playing a top 5 defense, of course he's going to make a few bonehead plays. He made some potential nice plays too (Gaffney shoulder, Bradford long bomb with eyes closed)
I actually didn't mind them going deep for the endzone on that one pick, Andre had beat 2 guys, the safety just made a fantastic play, he's a pro-bowler. What I do have a problem with is Carr not having the time to set up and view his options, he has to focus on a particular target because of a collapsing pocket. There was pressure from the sides where our tackles were routinely getting beat on the speed rush, we got pressure up the middle from bull rushes. When you have pressure like that and you don't call quick slants but maybe 3 times a game, your offense is going to sputter. I can't blame the QB for that.
 
You have no clue. Sure Carr made mistakes yesterday, we were playing a top 5 defense, of course he's going to make a few bonehead plays. He made some potential nice plays too (Gaffney shoulder, Bradford long bomb with eyes closed)I actually didn't mind them going deep for the endzone on that one pick, Andre had beat 2 guys, the safety just made a fantastic play, he's a pro-bowler. What I do have a problem with is Carr not having the time to set up and view his options, he has to focus on a particular target because of a collapsing pocket. There was pressure from the sides where our tackles were routinely getting beat on the speed rush, we got pressure up the middle from bull rushes. When you have pressure like that and you don't call quick slants but maybe 3 times a game, your offense is going to sputter. I can't blame the QB for that.
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Carr has been making mistakes since game 1 preseason, and a lot of people said "It's only preseason it doesn't count" and to that I said it may not count, but we get to see how our first team offense looks against other 1st team defenses and there is reason for worry. A lot of people called me crazy, and now some of them are calling for Carr's head. Sure he was pressured some yesterday, but the small amount of time he played in the preseason he was not pressured at all and was throwing INT's left and right...And as far as the throw to Andre, there was no fantastic play made there. It looked like Carr threw the ball straight up into the air and it hung for 10 seconds, by the time the ball came down there were 3 defenders around Andre.

CARR PRESEASON STATS
15/34 114 yards 44.1 completion percentage 1 TD 4 INT sacked 1 time
Oh but it was just preseason, it didn't mean anything...
 
:rolleyes:
thegr8fan said:
and not that I really OWE you some kind of answer, but since I am feeling in a generous mood today, I am thegr8fan of the Texans as a whole. As embarrassing as that is to admit to after yesterdays game. It doesn't mean I am going to watch them play like a bunch of schmucks and NOT say anything about it.

But I also like to stay on topic and the topic of this thread was David Carr, not the Texans as a team.
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(in a tone as if speaking to a pouty little girl): Come on, baby. I'm sorry I made you mad. When I read your first post, it seemed like you were just an angry guy bashing David Carr. Now that I've read a second post, I can see you're not even that. :rolleyes:
 
LOL, carefull rafterticket, the Mods on this board don't like personal bashing. :rolleyes:

Your gonna have to be a bit more inventive if you think that is going to upset me or something. Your using the wrong bait son, and I just ain't biting.

I will be at the games and make noise with the best of them in support of the team. I won't 'boo' Carr when he is on the field, or makes a bad play, no matter how much I think he deserves it. But I won't put on the 'Carr is a God' Beer Bottle thick Rose colored glass's that some on this board like the wear permantly.

Ragone may not be able to do much better than Carr. But with a rating of 12.1, does anyone think Ragone could any WORSE?
 
Mods and Gr8fan, my apologies. That was said in fun, I swear. :)

Gr8fan, I know you are a fan. I just vehemently disagree with you.
 
Ragone may not be able to do much better than Carr. But with a rating of 12.1, does anyone think Ragone could any WORSE?
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Yes. The way the team played yesterday, no QB would have done much (any) better, and inexperienced ones would do worse.
 
Just because he does not have much experience against 1st team talent does not make Ragone inexperienced...
 
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