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If we were drafting today, who would you select?
- Thread starter Hottoddie
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YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Sorry if these were the only parts I took out of your post, but this just screams David Carr and the C&C regime.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
I don't agree with the top part. Vince never had the mechanics or the arm or the ability to progress through a read. Vince was never a real QB. Tebow has a big time arm and an NFL ready body. Tebow has showed a lot of development this year with his ability to make the reads and to sense the rush. He has cut down on his running after the first read. He's learned the check-down, and now that he has the records, he is becoming a true QB.
With that said, I really think another year at Florida is best for him as a prospect because of how far he had to come. I agree that his NFL potential goes up a lot after another year.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
To be honest with you, I'm not sold on his accuracy either, but I like his abilities. He hasn't lost any games. I wouldn't draft him to the Texans in his projected draft slot, but I like him to be an NFL QB somewhere, and somewhere down the road. Maybe a step or three above a healthy Brodie Croyle.
Hooston Texan
Rookie
On the possibility of Branden Ore: if his off-field issues are so bad that even Beamer let him go, there is no way in the world he'll be a Texan. He's a decent enough RB, but pretty much in the dime-a-dozen category, holding character issues aside.
Expect every draft-eligible player who has a shot of going high in the draft to declare this year (more so than usual). Agents are already out in full force telling players that with taxes slated to rise on the top brackets in 2010--whether Congress acts or not--that the players have only a one-year window to make big bucks while the taxes are lower. Baseball is already seeing this as agents are trying to structure deals to get as much money to their clients in 2009 as possible. [I don't mean to invite political talk with this point, only to say that this is certainly a tact that will be taken with guys on the fence.]
Expect every draft-eligible player who has a shot of going high in the draft to declare this year (more so than usual). Agents are already out in full force telling players that with taxes slated to rise on the top brackets in 2010--whether Congress acts or not--that the players have only a one-year window to make big bucks while the taxes are lower. Baseball is already seeing this as agents are trying to structure deals to get as much money to their clients in 2009 as possible. [I don't mean to invite political talk with this point, only to say that this is certainly a tact that will be taken with guys on the fence.]
bah007
Hall of Fame
There are a ton of good centers in this draft.
Mack - Cal
Caldwell - Alabama
Luigs - Arkansas
Unger - Oregon
Wood - Louisville
I'm no expert on o lineman so I will differ to others, but to me, Mack looks like the all around best center in the class.
Caldwell plays with a mean streak and Luigs seems to play really intelligent (always seems to know what is going on around him).
Unger and Wood are good but not in the same class as the top three.
Mack - Cal
Caldwell - Alabama
Luigs - Arkansas
Unger - Oregon
Wood - Louisville
I'm no expert on o lineman so I will differ to others, but to me, Mack looks like the all around best center in the class.
Caldwell plays with a mean streak and Luigs seems to play really intelligent (always seems to know what is going on around him).
Unger and Wood are good but not in the same class as the top three.
I voted to trade down and here's my trade. We send the #8 pick to Detroit (1400 points) for the first round pick they got from Dallas #20 (850 pts.) and Detroits own first pick in the 2nd round #33 (580 pts.) for a total of 1430 pts.. With the #20 pick we take Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest and with the #33 pick we take Myron Rolle SS Florida St. both of which will help our level of play against the run. Later in the 2nd round with our own #40 pick we take Jonathan Luigs C Arkansas cause Alex Mack will be gone by then. In the 3rd round we take Tyronne Green OG Auburn and in the 4th round we take Dorell Scott DT Clemson.
Texans Horror
All Pro
Flacco was supposed to suck, too, but he did pretty good against the Texans. No, I think the Texans need to find the right guy somewhere between Rds one and seven and develop him over the next year or two to take over as QB. I don't care if that's Stafford, Harrell, or somebody I haven't heard of. Draft somebody who isn't #8, and let them learn into the system. IMO the biggest reason why the Texans are 3-6 instead of 6-3 is the QB position.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Weren't you the guy who would rather have Brohm than Ryan? Lots of players will play better than we ever figured and tons will not be able to make the transition.
bah007
Hall of Fame
LOL. Flacco was the highest or second-highest rated QB by a lot of the draft experts out there.
I hardly thinks that means he is supposed to suck.
You know what does suck? When the top QB's in a class are these guys:
Graham Harrell - Texas Tech (no offense to him, just not a 1st round talent)
Rhett Bomar - Sam Houston St
Nathan Brown - Central Arkansas
J.P. Wilson - Alabama
Unless some juniors declare, that is the wealth of talent we would be choosing from.
bah007
Hall of Fame
No need to whip out my past posts. I can own up to being wrong on my own if you ask.
But yes. I thought Brohm had more NFL potential than Ryan. I thought Ryan would be the first QB chosen only because he was the most NFL ready at the time.
Too early to say I was wrong, but it certainly doesn't look good so far.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
no need to ask..it's all here. You are talking to the guy who was gung ho for Rohan Davey back in 2002 you know...it's all good. I'm just saying that nobody has a crystal ball and to make absolute statements about the draft is folly.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I don't mean to pass my statements off as absolute. These are only my opinions but I've seen them echoed in other places as well so I feel pretty confident in them.
I also don't mean to come down on anyone who disagrees with me. I don't think I have yet, but if I did I apologize.
In the end, the draft is all a crapshoot and what I say doesn't mean a damn to anyone but myself anyway.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
no apologies needed...I'm not coming down on you. This may be good year to trade back and take a QB for some franchise, but just because the top of the draft class isn't strong, doesn't make this class pathetic. Heck, most of the can't miss guys drafted early because they are ideal physical specimens don't work out anyway.....no issues with your overall contributions to the banter here when it comes to the incoming class of players. You seem to have a good eye for talent so I'm not calling you kastofsna or anything.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I figure we will need to draft a QB in this draft class anyway, wither it be at the top or toward the bottom. Schaub is unproven, and succeptible to injury. Sage is done here after his meltdown with the Colts. He already had a poor start against Baltimore to pour a little salt on the wound. We need a young guy that these coaches, or new coaches, can teach. A guy like Henne last year would have been perfect, I was very impressed with Miami's draft last year. They had a fantastic draft last year. We need a guy to come in here and be the backup behind Schaub. Or atleast the third QB.
I like Nate Davis. He was actually less impressive than the last time I saw him tonight, but I still like what I see. He does a good job of getting a look at the whole field, using pump and head fakes, as well as looking off defenders.
Middle round guys: Cullen Harper from Clemson (Great 2007 year, Bad 2008 year thus far) and Curtis Painter.
We may take a QB at the top, but I hope not. We have too many holes to be throwing another young QB out into the fire immediately, and I can't see us picking a guy in the top 15 and sitting him on the bench. Maybe if we had more out there right now, but we just don't. We need impact players on defense, and another impact RB.
I like Nate Davis. He was actually less impressive than the last time I saw him tonight, but I still like what I see. He does a good job of getting a look at the whole field, using pump and head fakes, as well as looking off defenders.
Middle round guys: Cullen Harper from Clemson (Great 2007 year, Bad 2008 year thus far) and Curtis Painter.
We may take a QB at the top, but I hope not. We have too many holes to be throwing another young QB out into the fire immediately, and I can't see us picking a guy in the top 15 and sitting him on the bench. Maybe if we had more out there right now, but we just don't. We need impact players on defense, and another impact RB.
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You seem to have a good eye for talent so I'm not calling you kastofsna or anything.
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Dont forget about the OL .....
WTB Center and Right Guard who dont get puched backwards every play.
Otherwise I'm with ya on the above post.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Virginia Tech junior guard Sergio Render is a force. He is my favorite offensive lineman to watch this year.
Where do you see him going in the draft pending he declares ?
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I have no idea because I don't know that much about the other lineman. He looks like atleast a 3rd rounder to me. Could be better, could be worse. Pretty sure he plays right guard for them too.
I'll tell you what, someone to look for in the future is Florida State Sophomore LG Rodney Hudson. Freshman All-American last year. Got ACC lineman of the week several times already this season. Would'nt be surprised if he was an All-American this year. I would be surprised if he wasn't a All-ACC first teamer. Coached by Rick Trickett (ex-West Virginia OL coach) in a zone blocking scheme. Trickett is a great coach too.
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Giant Tiger
Veteran
I went with Michael Johnson, but I'm not opposed to a trade down. How does the QB class look next year? Rather than force a pick this year, why not bring in Ricky Ray of the Edmonton Eskimos for a look after the season? IIRC he passed Warren Moon for the most TD passes by an Eskimo QB this year. Can't hurt just to look at him. If he works out, we save a draft choice on a QB at least until next year & fill other needs.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
If we're sitting there at eight nine or ten..,.and Micheal Orh or Andre Smith are sitting on the board, any high end guy that gives you flexablity with what we already have.... something that slam dunks the ZBS o-line....I could see them doing it. Not saying they will. But ask yourself, if they had a running game....a constant running game; don't you think they'd be sitting here after the eight weeks at five and three instead of 3-5 ? Ohr looks like a perfect ZBS guard to me. Doubt he makes it that far... and I'm in agreement with everyones take...just saying.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Wow. The voting is pretty evenly distributed. I guess there is no consensus yet. Hopefully, Molden, Dunta & Adibi get more reps the rest of the way so that we can get a better idea of what we need to go after with our first pick.
Having said that, I'm starting to become more intrigued by the possibility of drafting Rey Maualuga & moving Demeco to OLB. Hear me out on this one. I haven't watched many of his games & have read where he tends to overrun the plays from time to time, but I've also read where he's extremely strong at the point of attack & has a mean streak. That's something this team is missing & needs desperately.
With the emergence of Diles, we only need one more LB'ing position to be upgraded. By taking Rey, we can move Demeco to OLB & more fully take advantage of his speed to get to the QB, which would somewhat offset us not taking a stud DE with the 1st pick. Also, Rey is strong enough to hold up to the pounding coming up the middle until our DT's grow into their positions. Demeco is taking a pounding & can't continue to do that much longer.
Another thing I read the other day from another poster was a question as to whether or not we could move Adibi to the safety position. He's got the ideal size, exceptional speed & has very good cover skills. Is that a possibility? If it is, then we shore up 2 positions by taking Maualuga
I personally believe we should take a DE with our 1st pick, but the more I think about taking Maualuga, the more I like it.
Having said that, I'm starting to become more intrigued by the possibility of drafting Rey Maualuga & moving Demeco to OLB. Hear me out on this one. I haven't watched many of his games & have read where he tends to overrun the plays from time to time, but I've also read where he's extremely strong at the point of attack & has a mean streak. That's something this team is missing & needs desperately.
With the emergence of Diles, we only need one more LB'ing position to be upgraded. By taking Rey, we can move Demeco to OLB & more fully take advantage of his speed to get to the QB, which would somewhat offset us not taking a stud DE with the 1st pick. Also, Rey is strong enough to hold up to the pounding coming up the middle until our DT's grow into their positions. Demeco is taking a pounding & can't continue to do that much longer.
Another thing I read the other day from another poster was a question as to whether or not we could move Adibi to the safety position. He's got the ideal size, exceptional speed & has very good cover skills. Is that a possibility? If it is, then we shore up 2 positions by taking Maualuga
I personally believe we should take a DE with our 1st pick, but the more I think about taking Maualuga, the more I like it.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Better duck...Quack.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Some people project him there because of his size and quickness.
But he won't get pushed around at RE in the NFL.
With a 550 bench, 675 squat, 380 power clean, 42 inch vertical, a 4.6 forty, plus solid production in college.....its gonna be hard for teams to pass on him.
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
I like that idea as well because whats the use of rushing the passer if you can't stop the run worth a crap. It would be a very nice selection for next year but I don't think it would be the right selection for the future of the franchise. There should be some great DE and even LT prospects available at that point and those guys are just harder to find. The 2nd round is a better place to find value at LB imo. Look at the last few drafts and how many great ones are found there. I think its tougher to find a stud pass rusher (unless you are the NY Giants) in the mid rounds and anything found in the late rounds is kinda a crapshoot. I wouldn't be pissed if they picked Rey and for a while that was the direction I would have preferred but we only have 1 passrusher on this team and its not enough.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
My personnel favorite is taking Daniels late and let him back up for Matty's annual bo-bo. Watched Chase Holbrock again yesterday. He's number ten on everyones list. If we draft the guy or take him as a FA...that's his number. 10.
Look he's 242, 6'5" and can throw every route in the book. Rocket arm no...but you don't need one in this offense. Just gotta be on time and on target. And...have the feet and mind to manage the pass rush in the pocket.
Lork88 or YTF out up the big twelve list of how he ranked the guys. Big gun arm with great athleticism on the edge....that's what I'm looking for in the next franchise guy...Josh Freeman, the kid at A & M....big arms, great feat.
Holbrook is not that....but he is better than what we have at the #3 spot. He can't be any worse turning the ball over than our 1 & 2 have been this season.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I'm not against taking one of these guys. I'm against taking one of these guys early.
The QB spot is a need for us, but there are spots on defense that are a black hole.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Orakpo will be just fine as a 4-3 DE. He isn't a small guy. He has plenty of girth to him. Selvie is a 3-4 guy most likely, but Orakpo is a legit 4-3 end.