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If we take Bush, will you be upset?

TexanSam

TexanSam

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Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC, a bunch of you were all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?
 
TexanSam said:
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC everyone was all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?
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Of course I will not be upset, but I will be disappointed since they did not trade down.
 
TexanSam said:
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC everyone was all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?
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Hold on. I was NEVER ALL FOR Bush coming here. I wanted to explore possible trade downs and look at possible defensive and Oline players we could look at. Also there were a lot of people who had yet to commit to this. So, please do not lump us into the REGIIE REGGIE REGGIE camp and i was not a member.

At present I am STILL in the undecide camp.
 
I was never all for Reggie Bush coming here. I said it was great if we do, great if we don't. Whatever. I've been pretty ho-hum on the whole thing.

Yes, I will be upset. Because I actually love Vince Young and have watched his college career. I know him as a player better than I know anyone in the draft. So I'll be sad when we pass on him, and then I'll be sick when the Titans pick him.

I'll live with it. But I reserve the right to not let it go if Vince lights it up for the Titans against us. ;)
 
Not sure.. Bush is exciting no doubt.. and I have always thought DD and crew were solid yet not spectacular. I bush could definitely help us on the threat to take one the distance, yet inside the red zone , he won't help much.. I almost would like to see us get white or D'angelo Williams lower down the draft and get some OL help.


maybe I feel this way because we have so many holes to fill that my brain is spinning LOL


maybe what bugs me is we spent all these draft picks on Hollings/Wells/DD/Morency and we still are looking for a back.
 
I wouldn't be upset, very disapointed though. It's kinda like saying you want 10 million or 11 million (i'm not going there who I think is more than the other). In Bush, we would be getting a position where there is a glut of players there. And make the 5th (count them FIVE) times a RB would be chosen in a draft. Just seems to me we are kinda spinning our wheels.
 
Bush or trade down is fine with me. I think slightly less of drafting Young. All three options are pretty good.
 
You bet. You don't pass up on special players. Reggie Bush is a smallish back who won't withstand the rigors of being an every down back. Vince Young is a freak. Take the freak and see what happens.

He will be a Texan and the franchise and NFL properties will be much better for it. It's good for the Texans and it's good for the NFL.
 
I'll add my 2 cents.

I won't be upset if we draft Bush. Him and DD in the backfield would be great. I would be upset if we draft Young. I don't think we need him. I would opt to trade down, get Mario Williams or AJ Hawk or D'Brickashaw.
 
Emmitt Smith is 5'10. I'm pretty sure he withstood the rigors of the NFL. Tiki Barber is 5'10. Last I checked, he had a pretty good year. Small backs can succeed in the NFL.
 
Those of you against drafting VY have no idea how truly special he is. Not just physically, but emotionally. He is, if nothing else, a TRUE leader. He makes every other player on the team better. In that respect he is like Michael Jordan. Not drafting him would be a mistake of epic proportions. He's that good and he brings that much to the table. If you think otherwise, you have not watched what he has done for Mack Brown and Texas. Without him, they are still and overrated underachieving program.

Vince will be a Texan. Bob McNair is not that stupid.
 
TexanSam said:
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC, a bunch of you were all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?
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I think Vince is a winner and we couldn't go wrong with either. I don't like Carr. However, I think the smart thing to do is draft Bush, take O-lineman and a TE with your high to middle round picks and fill in holes with free agency. With the new coach it is no excuses. If Carr blows then you move on the next year. I think that will happen but that is my opinion. But this would be the best route. As for Young the guys on Fox were just pimping Young. Bradshaw and Howie said they think he will be an outright stud and the main reason is because he is a WINNER and a leader. IMHO, something the Texans don't have. I think Bush is smart move, as stated, but Young has that potential and a disagree completely with people who think the Texans will be rebuilding again. Some QBs don't need 4 years and a bucket of excuses.
 
Wordem said:
You bet. You don't pass up on special players. Reggie Bush is a smallish back who won't withstand the rigors of being an every down back. Vince Young is a freak. Take the freak and see what happens.

He will be a Texan and the franchise and NFL properties will be much better for it. It's good for the Texans and it's good for the NFL.
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DITTOS :redtowel:
 
Wordem said:
You bet. You don't pass up on special players. Reggie Bush is a smallish back who won't withstand the rigors of being an every down back. Vince Young is a freak. Take the freak and see what happens.

He will be a Texan and the franchise and NFL properties will be much better for it. It's good for the Texans and it's good for the NFL.
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Amen, to that!
 
TexanSam said:
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC, a bunch of you were all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?
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Not at all.
I think the our first pick is the easy one. I think the KEY picks are the rest of our first day picks.
 
Those of you against drafting VY have no idea how truly special he is. Not just physically, but emotionally. He is, if nothing else, a TRUE leader. He makes every other player on the team better. In that respect he is like Michael Jordan. Not drafting him would be a mistake of epic proportions. He's that good and he brings that much to the table. If you think otherwise, you have not watched what he has done for Mack Brown and Texas. Without him, they are still and overrated underachieving program.

Vince will be a Texan. Bob McNair is not that stupid.
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PREACH homeboy.....PREACH.......VY is like nothing that anyone has seen before, I say take a shot with him, he can't be any worst than Carr.
 
If the Texans go with Reggie Bush it wont be the correct choice. David Carr, has done all he can in Houston. We have given him the time to prove himself and he hasnt lived up to his hype... Vince Young is going to be huge. You hardly here a team going to a Superbowl just because they have a good running back, but you always hear when a team has a outstanding quarterback like Vince Young.
 
orangecrush1984 said:
You hardly here a team going to a Superbowl just because they have a good running back, but you always hear when a team has a outstanding quarterback like Vince Young.
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Has Michael Vick cut his hair yet?
 
TexanSam said:
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC, a bunch of you were all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?
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My position is unchanged. I think Reggie Bush in the first followed by the best lineman left in the second and a TE+LB in the third is the way to go.
 
Hervoyel said:
My position is unchanged. I think Reggie Bush in the first followed by the best lineman left in the second and a TE+LB in the third is the way to go.
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I could live with that .....
 
Don't insult Vince by comparing him to Vick. It's not even close. Unless you've watched every Texas game over the last three years like I have, you just can't grasp the intangibles that Vince Young brings to the table. There will not be another player like him for a generation. You can't risk not taking him. If it doesn't work out, McNair will be forgiven. If it doesn't work out with Bush and VY succeeds in Nashville, the damage between owner and city will be irreparable.
 
kbourda said:
I wouldn't be upset, very disapointed though. It's kinda like saying you want 10 million or 11 million (i'm not going there who I think is more than the other). In Bush, we would be getting a position where there is a glut of players there. And make the 5th (count them FIVE) times a RB would be chosen in a draft. Just seems to me we are kinda spinning our wheels.
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Well, the reverse argument is this: It'd be the first time we'd have drafted a 1st-Rd quality RB, rather than the gang of 4th rounders we've gotten so far. Maybe if we'd gotten better RBs, we wouldn't be spinng those wheels quite as fast.

By "Round Quality" we've gotten 1st-round quality at the following positions:

QB, WR, CB, OLB

Wouldn't it be nice to see that extended to the following:

RB, TE, OT
 
Either way is fine with me. The way I look at it, ANY player will help this team. With Kubiak, trading down seems like the logical choice. We'll see after workouts how everyone grades. Scouts will get a good look at how Vince throws after 3,5,7 step drops. It should be interesting to say the least. Personally, I think the Titans gain the most in this draft. They get either Bush or Young and don't have to make a decision. Picturing Reggie Bush rip up our run defense sends nightmares. Vice versa of course.
 
I don't know about ya'll, but Carr(QB), DD(RB), AJ(WR), Mathis(WR), and Bush in the slot sounds REAL good to me. We've been needing someone to take some pressure of the coverage on AJ and Bush will do just that.

If we draft bush, I think the new offense will be something special.

Just think about it......AJ running a deep post, Mathis streaking down the sideline and Bush Catching the Ball over the middle in space....Hmmmmm

A new O Line coach, a key free agent and a OL taken high in the draft should shore up our line problems.

Next year, concentrate on the D in the draft. :twocents:
 
Hervoyel said:
My position is unchanged. I think Reggie Bush in the first followed by the best lineman left in the second and a TE+LB in the third is the way to go.
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Works for me. My preference is a trade down, but I DOUBT very much the club does it, and this is the best rout without the trade down.
 
Wordem said:
Don't insult Vince by comparing him to Vick. It's not even close. Unless you've watched every Texas game over the last three years like I have, you just can't grasp the intangibles that Vince Young brings to the table. There will not be another player like him for a generation. You can't risk not taking him. If it doesn't work out, McNair will be forgiven. If it doesn't work out with Bush and VY succeeds in Nashville, the damage between owner and city will be irreparable.
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There will be a long line of can't miss QB's. Vince is neither the first nor the last. Brady Quinn will be the next one, Brian Brohm will probably be after him, Ryan Perriloux will be after him, and eventually Jimmy Clausen will be after him.
 
If VY succeeds in Nashville and tears it up in Reliant when he makes his yearly visit, this franchise in the City of Houston is doomed.
 
tulexan said:
There will be a long line of can't miss QB's. Vince is neither the first nor the last. Brady Quinn will be the next one, Brian Brohm will probably be after him, Ryan Perriloux will be after him, and eventually Jimmy Clausen will be after him.
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None of them are as special a player as Young. Trust me on this. I've watched him for three years now. What he brings by way of leadership cannot be dismissed. He makes every single player on the team better just by taking the snaps. Reggie Bush does not.
 
The Dream said:
PREACH homeboy.....PREACH.......VY is like nothing that anyone has seen before, I say take a shot with him, he can't be any worst than Carr.
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Just a heads up Dream. I have noticed that you spell it as worst when I believe you mean worse. Seen it a couple of times.
 
Wordem said:
None of them are as special a player as Young. Trust me on this. I've watched him for three years now. What he brings by way of leadership cannot be dismissed. He makes every single player on the team better just by taking the snaps. Reggie Bush does not.
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you've watched Bush for 3 years as well I assume....
 
Upset? No.

I think the team will regret not taking Vince one day though. If they don't that is.

I am wondering just how much the fact that the Texans have the number one pick had on Vince's decision. It may be that he felt that this was his one and only chance to play for the hometown.
 
Wordem said:
None of them are as special a player as Young. Trust me on this. I've watched him for three years now. What he brings by way of leadership cannot be dismissed. He makes every single player on the team better just by taking the snaps. Reggie Bush does not.
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How do you know? Have you followed Notre Dame and Louisville as much as you have followed UT? Have you even seen Ryan Perriloux play? And Jimmy Clausen isn't even in college yet.

So tell me how you know for a fact that Vince Young will be better than all of them?
 
Wordem said:
Don't insult Vince by comparing him to Vick. It's not even close. Unless you've watched every Texas game over the last three years like I have, you just can't grasp the intangibles that Vince Young brings to the table.
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How about not insulting Vick by comparing him against a guy who's never played a snap of NFL football. (The same goes for the comparison of Bush to Gale Sayers.)
Wordem said:
There will not be another player like him for a generation. You can't risk not taking him. If it doesn't work out, McNair will be forgiven. If it doesn't work out with Bush and VY succeeds in Nashville, the damage between owner and city will be irreparable.
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Gee, wasn't it just a week ago I was hearing the same things about Bush? :rolleyes:

While we've got Casserly calling the shots, I want him playing it safe in the 1st round...which means Bush.
 
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