No .... but I would take a QB with that #1 pick instead of Clowney if I knew I could get Jones one of Shelton or Carrethers and one of Moses or James.
But I would prefer RT , ILB , NT , RB(or DB).
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No .... but I would take a QB with that #1 pick instead of Clowney if I knew I could get Jones one of Shelton or Carrethers and one of Moses or James.
But I would prefer RT , ILB , NT , RB(or DB).
aussie_texan
Veteran
i think it comes down to who do you think will impact the team most short and long term.
for me its down to mosley, matthews and barr. I'm leaning to mosley i think he would be a huge improvement to the defence starting next year plus has the potential to be an elite 10year ILB.
Matthews at RT solidifies the line and if after several years moves to LT the long term future of the line looks excellent. but how much does he improve the team in the next 2-3 years?
Barr would improve our OLB but i'm not down on Reed and mercilus as some are.
They pressure the QB a lot and force hurries just need to get some more sacks but imo they are not playing badly and maybe its a product of the system. So again how much is barr really going to improve your team over the likes for matthews and mosley.
Also i see no elite QBs in this draft and I'm willing to give keenum a shot next year to show me what he really has. So i would be against taking a QB just for because we will be picking inside the top 10
for me its down to mosley, matthews and barr. I'm leaning to mosley i think he would be a huge improvement to the defence starting next year plus has the potential to be an elite 10year ILB.
Matthews at RT solidifies the line and if after several years moves to LT the long term future of the line looks excellent. but how much does he improve the team in the next 2-3 years?
Barr would improve our OLB but i'm not down on Reed and mercilus as some are.
They pressure the QB a lot and force hurries just need to get some more sacks but imo they are not playing badly and maybe its a product of the system. So again how much is barr really going to improve your team over the likes for matthews and mosley.
Also i see no elite QBs in this draft and I'm willing to give keenum a shot next year to show me what he really has. So i would be against taking a QB just for because we will be picking inside the top 10
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I'm not real high on this QB class, next yrs class with Hogan/Petty/Winston is when I would start looking for a QB. By then they will know whether Keenum is the future.
BigBull
Rookie
I agree with you that there isn't an elite QB in this draft. Also I think Mosley would be a beast.
Sent from the future...
If this team could run the ball like we did in 2011, this season would have been so different. Not to absolve Matt from anything, but we all knew he was not an elite QB, that we would not win a Super Bowl on the strength of Matt's arm. But that he could could help us if we had an elite running game... which would keep our defense off the field & help them perform closer to their 2011 form.
If case turns out to be who we want him to be, an elite OT take us to that other level.
Scooter
Funky
this about sums it up for me.
i'd also like to agree with several others that if you're in the top 5, dont swing for the fence on a guy with question marks - especially regarding desire or motor. clowney isnt an option for me. i also love a pedigree, matthews obviously being my selection even if we're picking first. there's no such thing as a sure thing, but if i can land what is almost certainly a 10-15 year starter at an important position there's no way i pass it up.
Texian
Hall of Fame
"Johnny TEXAN"
beerlover
Hall of Fame
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
We need a QB. If Keenum doesn't improve and Schaub continues his red zone woes... **** it. All in for Bridgewater.
I think while trying to get a QB is a good idea, the most pressing concern is the offensive line. You can draft a QB all you like, but if you put him in there with a weaker OL it's not going to help his case at all.
I'm all in for drafting a starting OLman, like Jake Matthews for the 1st pick. Shore up the offensive line so you can have better running room for Foster, and more time for [insert starting QB here].
Use the next few rounds to get some depth on defense. Linebacker in particular.
I'm all in for drafting a starting OLman, like Jake Matthews for the 1st pick. Shore up the offensive line so you can have better running room for Foster, and more time for [insert starting QB here].
Use the next few rounds to get some depth on defense. Linebacker in particular.
aussie_texan
Veteran
starting sharpton and tarpinian is a joke.
Mosley is my pick.
Grab a RT in round 2-3 or trade back into the first.
Mosley is my pick.
Grab a RT in round 2-3 or trade back into the first.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
You're right, I suppose. Keenum has me frustrated with his inability to pickup the blitz because I think he really can be the guy but if he can't throw to a hot route on a 6 man blitz we're not going to put points on the board. Jake Matthews in the first would do a lot to fix that.
However, how would you feel if we ended up with the #1 pick and got Bridgewater in the first, and Ogbuehi in the 2nd (assuming he comes out)? We shore up the RT position and land a franchise QB.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I have Johnny Texan in Rd 1 and Brandon Shreff OT, Iowa in Rd 2. Not a fan of Bridgewater, a bit frail and has a tendancy to float the ball on the deep pass, has a Landry Jones arm. The spells INT on the long ball.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Oh, the UH crowd here would lose their collective **** if this team drafted Johnny Manziel.
Texian
Hall of Fame
IMHO Johnny Texan will be a better QB than Wilson and Kapernick.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
u cite frailty as a reason not to draft bridgewater, but then want to draft a guy who's barely 6 feet and a little over 200 lbs? Lol, ok.
And Folks not wanting manziel has next to nothing to do with u of h...
And manziel being better than wilson and kaepernick? Lol, based on what? 1 guy has been steady at the qb position since day one as a starter and has the 2nd highest qbr in the league behind only peyton manning....the other has already been to a SB. Pretty lofty expectations for a guy who hasnt even mastered passing the ball on the college level.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Bridgewater is 6'3" 205 lbs vs Manziel 6'0" 212 lbs so YES TB is a bit frail in comparison, Bridgewater has narrow bony shoulders, could be numerous shoulder injuries in his TB's future. Those weak shoulders are probably why he floats the long ball.
If you're one who stereotypes because your small you will get injured often, the truth is 6'5" QBs get hurt about as often as 6'0" QBs. Unless your name is Bret Farve you're likely to miss games as an NFL QB due to injuries. Manziel is 2" taller than Wilson. Manziel as a freshman in the SEC threw for over 3000 yds and ran for over 1000 yds. Kaepernick was only able to accomplish this his Senior yr at Nevada in the WAC. Manziel also has a quicker release, quicker feet and sees the field better than Kaepernick or Wilson did in college. As a freshman and Soph Kaepernick was only able to complete 54% of his passes, Wilson 58%, Manziel over 70%.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yet, manziel is the one who's had his shoulder dinged up this year...
And lol at 7 pounds being the difference of frailty....Most NFL scouts dont seem to be bothered by TB's "frailty".
that 5" of height difference though
Texian
Hall of Fame
Yet, manziel is the one who's had his shoulder dinged up this year...
And lol at 7 pounds being the difference of frailty....Most NFL scouts dont seem to be bothered by TB's "frailty". how many NFL scouts have you talked with? You may be confusing media draftniks with NFL Scouts. I know the media talking heads are enamored with Bridgewater. Come draft day I don't expect NFL scouts to be as giddy about Bridgewater as the media
that 5" of height difference though
that is 3" and Bridgewater looks THIN (frail) and Manziel looks stout (not frail). I notice you stopped wanting to debate Manziel vs Kaepernick and Wilson college performances.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
And i noticed u didnt address manziel hurting his shoulder despite him having the more "stout" frame...but i digress..
I never engaged you on the stats thing b/c college performance means diddley poo in the nfl....even if manziel does play in the mighty SEC.
Furthermore, wilson and kaepernick have already proven they belong although kaepernick is looking shaky this year.
The only thing Manziel has had the chance to prove is that he can put up numbers in an offense where everyone who plays in it put up numbers.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Beg to differ with you here bud, I would venture to say that Sumlin would be less than .500 if Johnny Texan has not been the Texas A&M QB. Clearly you don't like Johnny Texan. The only way Texas A&M beats Alabama in Tuscaloosa is JOHNNY TEXAN.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Did I just read somebody call Manziel "stout?"
Seriously?
Seriously?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yep...manziel weighs 7 more lbs than bridgewater so that apparently makes him more stout and bridgewater frail...
Just leave it alone Texas Seminole....
Texian
Hall of Fame
For somebody who is 6' yes and compared to the tall skinny Bridgewater yes, he's stout. 6' 212 is not small. Manziel is in proportion to QBs who are 6'2" 225. Compared to JJ Watt, no, he's not stout.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Bridgewater is 3" taller and 7 lbs lighter, that's NOT in proportion. Bridgewater looks like a tall skinny WR, Manziel looks like a big safety.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Manziel haters are up late tonight.....and speaking of Luck, Manziel might be the Texans best answer to Mr. Andrew Luck. Right now they don't have one.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Your argument is asinine and the weight difference is neglible. Bridgewater's frame supports the idea that he can and will add weight...let alone the measely 7 lbs you're quibling about.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Neither Bridgewater or Manziel are "stout," unless the definition of that word has changed and I didn't get the memo.
bhsman
Rookie
I looked up the video of Manziel being injured against Auburn, and the way he was hit is the same way Rodgers broke his collarbone; ie, you don't want ANY quarterback coming down like that, directly on their shoulder. That doesn't indicate to me that Manziel is 'fragile' any more so than someone like Cushing is for taking a hit that usually causes an injury. And Texian is technically correct: Manziel isn't exactly stocky but Bridgewater is a bit skinnier by comparison, though it shouldn't make a huge difference.
I'm also on the Manziel bandwagon if only because of his eyes: he sees the field better than anyone else, and has improved at making reads. It's what makes guys like Drew Brees so dangerous, though I'd argue Manziel's athleticism takes it to another level. If he could just perfect his mimic of Wilson's escape act he could be truly dangerous.
JFF, y'all.
I'm also on the Manziel bandwagon if only because of his eyes: he sees the field better than anyone else, and has improved at making reads. It's what makes guys like Drew Brees so dangerous, though I'd argue Manziel's athleticism takes it to another level. If he could just perfect his mimic of Wilson's escape act he could be truly dangerous.
JFF, y'all.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Well I guess you're going to need to give us your definition of stout since you don't agree. I am already prepared for a person being a hearty FSU stout and another person being rather smallish Texas A&M frail. Remember we are not talking about OG or NT here.Would you be happier if I said Manziel is well proportioned for a 6' 212 lbs and Bridgewater is a bit peckish at 6'3" and only 205 lbs or would you prefer to continue to nit pick?
Texian
Hall of Fame
I have erred in my choice of words and the use of the word "stout". To all those that I have offended by the word choice I apologize. That was never my intention. I know now I should've have used better judgement in my word choice. I should've said the Johnny Manziel at 6' 212 lbs doesn't appear as thin as the 6'3" 205 lbs Teddy Bridgewater. To all those who are stout and there is no question about the stoutness and are too offended by my using the word stout, my apologies to you also. It was never my intention to offend or call attention to anyone being stout.
bhsman
Rookie
Then I'm a Sherman tank.
Michael Vick is frail.
bhsman
Rookie
Are Drew Brees or Russel Wilson 'frail', then?
I don't think Brees or Wilson are 6' tall & i'd bet they're both 210lbs before breakfast.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Well I guess you're going to need to give us your definition of stout since you don't agree. I am already prepared for a person being a hearty FSU stout and another person being rather smallish Texas A&M frail. Remember we are not talking about OG or NT here.Would you be happier if I said Manziel is well proportioned for a 6' 212 lbs and Bridgewater is a bit peckish at 6'3" and only 205 lbs or would you prefer to continue to nit pick?
Nitpick? What are you rambling about now?
You said one guy is frail, the other guy is stout. I correctly said that neither is stout. Sorry for not agreeing that your man crush is a "stout" guy.
Stout: A thickset or corpulent person.
You're making yourself sound like a ridiculously goofy groupie in your last 5 or so posts.
You don't need to tear down another guy to make your boo sound like a more viable prospect. Especially when you are talking about one of your boo's biggest negatives.
I know, I saw those numbers before I posted. I still think they rounded up on Brees' height & they were weighed under optimal conditions.
One guy looks like he's built to take a punch.....
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The other guy doesn't
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One is also 10 years senior to the other... then again
But Johny doesn't look as frail as this guy...
Don't you know dark colors are slimming?
I love Manziel but I'm also scared of him just a bit. I agree with the others that tout his vision and ability to process information, it's exceptional and it's something you cannot coach. I'd also add his competitiveness and will to win, again that cannot be coached. I'd like to see him make more plays on schedule where he drops back, sticks his foot in the ground and fires the ball. I'm also a bit worried that he'll take too many big hits and get injured.
The sad thing is he'd be a perfect fit in Kubiak's offense. To bad Gary's coached himself out of a job...
I love Manziel but I'm also scared of him just a bit. I agree with the others that tout his vision and ability to process information, it's exceptional and it's something you cannot coach. I'd also add his competitiveness and will to win, again that cannot be coached. I'd like to see him make more plays on schedule where he drops back, sticks his foot in the ground and fires the ball. I'm also a bit worried that he'll take too many big hits and get injured.
The sad thing is he'd be a perfect fit in Kubiak's offense. To bad Gary's coached himself out of a job...
Texian
Hall of Fame
I can tell you're young and your education incomplete by the language you use in your argument. Until Bridgewater does add weight he will always be on the thin side. And he still throws a floater on his deep ball. My arguments are many things but never asinine.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
Understand some apprehension about Manziel. Situation was quite similar to Cam Newton when he announced he was entering the NFL Draft. At the time I think there were more questions about Cam's NFL game. Cam had a lot naysayers (probably many right here) who said his game would never transition to an NFL QB.
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Hervoyel
BUENO!
rep. It's so damn obvious.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I fully expected Texans to win a few of these match-ups but I was wrong. QB position is beyond psycho this point. Kubiak/Schaub as I've maintained must be joined @ the hip & it's time to severe this relationship from organization. Both must pay the ultimate price, being cut, discharged, fired 
Offensive Line is part old/new never developed into a cohesive unit hoped. No longer running the ZBS only abolition the running game has dwindled , becoming incapable of converting 3rd downs or TD's with no depth whatsoever.
The defense runs through one player, Watt, without him there is nothing. Still highly graded stat wise, he is just that good, but I would argue he needs more help than Case Keenum.
For once special teams did not beat you. Yet Texans are 2-8 & 10 1/2 point favorites against Jacksonville?????????????????????? which brings us to distinct possibility both teams will have top 5 picks, both needing a QB/OT/DE. Could be we repeat 2003 draft when Detroit selected #2 & Texans #3, Lions selected Charles Rogers, Texans Andre Johnson?
Point is one team will pull a potential hall of fame player the other maybe not so much. Bridewater/Clowney both most talented prospects offensive/defensive hence both maybe gone by 3-5 selection. So after that do you target highest grade or highest need/grade? Since Texans need everything, doesn't it come back to best player (which Andre was)?
What I would like to see within this thread is for all of us to come to a consensus in order the next 3 best players available.
Offensive Line is part old/new never developed into a cohesive unit hoped. No longer running the ZBS only abolition the running game has dwindled , becoming incapable of converting 3rd downs or TD's with no depth whatsoever.
The defense runs through one player, Watt, without him there is nothing. Still highly graded stat wise, he is just that good, but I would argue he needs more help than Case Keenum.
For once special teams did not beat you. Yet Texans are 2-8 & 10 1/2 point favorites against Jacksonville?????????????????????? which brings us to distinct possibility both teams will have top 5 picks, both needing a QB/OT/DE. Could be we repeat 2003 draft when Detroit selected #2 & Texans #3, Lions selected Charles Rogers, Texans Andre Johnson?
Point is one team will pull a potential hall of fame player the other maybe not so much. Bridewater/Clowney both most talented prospects offensive/defensive hence both maybe gone by 3-5 selection. So after that do you target highest grade or highest need/grade? Since Texans need everything, doesn't it come back to best player (which Andre was)?
What I would like to see within this thread is for all of us to come to a consensus in order the next 3 best players available.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
If we have a top 5 pick, I am taking either Barr or Matthews, possibly Nix depending on his health situation.
I like Clowney's skill set but there are question marks there that I don't have good enough answers to.
I like Clowney's skill set but there are question marks there that I don't have good enough answers to.