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If Toby Gerhart Were Black, He'd Go First Round
- Thread starter eriadoc
- Start date
I don't know. I'm just not seeing it.
If someone was to say Tebow would have been a top 5 pick if he were black, I'd give that more credibility.
What's the difference between Tebow & Vince?
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I haven't seen anyone ask this question but I know I've certainly wondered it myself.
C
Ckw
Guest
Tebow is left-handed?
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Funny but that is the exact same thought that I had that told me he wouldn't be as succesful in the NFL. Lefty QBs tend to throw things way off and they force your RT to be a LT in terms of protecting the blindside.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Vince was faster and more accurate
He also had one of the greatest games of all time when he beat my beloved Trojans for the title. That helped a great deal going into the draft
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Neither won as many games as a starter as Colt McCoy?
One ways more?
One is faster?
One can throw a jump pass?
I give up, tell me please.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
This is the same league that didn't draft Warren Moon then tried to make him a receiver because he was black. I can believe the reverse would easily happen in this day and age.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
HuttoKarl
Veteran
Tebow posted better stat lines and isn't a cork-in-fork moron???
So you are telling me that the outrage Tom Jackson expressed was in response to the "racist" comment Rush made? If not, don't argue with me, because we are saying the same thing. It wasn't a racist statement. If you want to throw the word "overtly" in there, fine.
If you are saying they were reacting to Rush's racist statement, then what exactly was Irving responding to at the end when he said, "Rush has a point?"
Rush summarized his point very well, & I agree with him. McNabb received a lot of credit for winning football games, & Limbaugh thought the defense deserved more. IMHO, McNabb has always been a QB that makes mistakes at the wrong time, but he makes enough plays, & the defense made enough plays to make up for them.
I couldn't find a link, but the next day Irving & Jackson were apologizing for not "picking up" the "racial undertones" of Limbaugh's comments.
My response was not about his motivation. You & I agree on all points
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Toby Gerhart reminds me of a slightly more elusive Ron Dayne.
I don't want the Gerhart Fan Club to get upset with me about that comparison, which I'm making knowing I will catch flack. I like Gerhart and would not be upset in the least if we get him on our team. I'd just rather it be b/c we selected a LG like Asamoah in the 2nd and Gerhart in the 3rd.
I just don't see Gerhart being able to turn the corner and outrun defenders on a consistent basis in the NFL. He's a power, betwen the tackles type of guy that just kind of bumbles his way down the field. I say bumbles because it's not pretty, but it's effective! I think he'll get consistent yardage up the middle but if we're spending a 2nd on a RB, I'd like it to be a guy that has a higher probability of taking it to the house, a guy that fits this scheme a tad better and someone who can turn the corner consistently.
I don't want the Gerhart Fan Club to get upset with me about that comparison, which I'm making knowing I will catch flack. I like Gerhart and would not be upset in the least if we get him on our team. I'd just rather it be b/c we selected a LG like Asamoah in the 2nd and Gerhart in the 3rd.
I just don't see Gerhart being able to turn the corner and outrun defenders on a consistent basis in the NFL. He's a power, betwen the tackles type of guy that just kind of bumbles his way down the field. I say bumbles because it's not pretty, but it's effective! I think he'll get consistent yardage up the middle but if we're spending a 2nd on a RB, I'd like it to be a guy that has a higher probability of taking it to the house, a guy that fits this scheme a tad better and someone who can turn the corner consistently.
Attack boys!
In all seriousness, your concerns are legit. He will not break many 20, 30, 40 yard runs. But he will consistently get 4-5 yards per carry, and does have the speed to make a few of those longer runs. Plus, he has a nose for the end zone, something that is a must for the Texans.
We just have a different preference when it comes to backs. I prefer the sure thing, 4-5 yard gainers, and (it seems to me, I could be wrong, that) you like the take-it-to-the-house type back.
Whatever happens today, Go Texans!
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Yea, the thing is, I totally agree with you! Getting consistent yardage is so important. Running on 1st and/or 2nd down successfully will consistently give us 2nd/3rd and shorts. That's how you keep the chains moving, the clock ticking, and convert on 3rd/4th downs. If Toby is the pick in the 2nd/3rd round, I think he's that guy for us and I think he'll get the job done.
I think he'll be a good, solid, successful RB. I'll admit I want the "sexy" runningback that gives us highlights, but that's not always the best thing.
I really have no idea why I'm not enamored with him... maybe its because he's white.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Gerhart is at the ceiling, a white Brandon Jacobs
the floor is a skinny Ron Dayne
the floor is a skinny Ron Dayne
eriadoc
Texan-American
Exactly. The thing about it is, if I want a guy that can break a 40+ run, I put Slaton out there. I want a RB that can consistently get tough yards when they have to be gotten. Slaton can't do that. He didn't do it in his rookie year and he didn't do it last year.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
See the difference? It is rather obvious. Rush didn't say, well gee you know McNabb is overrated because that D is really good. He said McNabb is overrated because folks wanted a successful black QB. It was stupid then and it's stupid now. It was specifically historically stupid given this guy on that team:
See the difference? It is rather obvious. Rush didn't say, well gee you know McNabb is overrated because that D is really good. He said McNabb is overrated because folks wanted a successful black QB. It was stupid then and it's stupid now. It was specifically historically stupid given this guy on that team:
you know, I've always wondered how good he would have been if he had been brought along by Bill Walsh instead of Buddy Ryan...
No, I don't see the difference. Rush said up front, the press wants a black QB to be successful. He wasn't being sneaky about anything.
It is still not a racist statement. A stupid thing to say? Maybe, but that's no surprise coming from Rush.
Are you one of those guys that don't believe we have a "race issue" in this country? Because this is a perfect example of why we can't have this conversation in this country.
Rush was pointing to a problem, he get's attacked and accused of being a racist, and kicked off T.V. (not that I have a problem with that, I'm not a Limbaugh fan, just saying)
Had nothing to do with Cunningham, because Rush was talking about at that time. He didn't say there has never been a successful black QB in Philadelphia, you threw that in.
I now have milk running out my nose.
I was going to respond to the previous quote with the exact same comparison. Im not saying he wont be good Im just saying I think he is way overated because of the OL he ran behind. They were more responsible for his production than people want to give them credit for. Put Dwyer or even Blount behind that line and they run away with the Heisman IMO. Watch the highlight reel that infantrycak posted and you'll see he rarely gets touched before hes five yards downfield and has a full head of steam up. Show me a 230 plus RB that cant plow over college DB's in that situation.
Hes seems like a good character guy and I wish him the best but Im really glad we didnt draft him.
Historyhorn
Waterboy
I would have taken TG over Tate in the 2nd round. I had a chance to see him in person when we took in this year's Sun Bowl against OU.
The issue this year with OU was a lack of production from their Offense. Their Defense was very salty. Gerhart was all that Stanford had as the starting QB was out for the game. OU knew he was going to get the ball and that there were really no other offensive threats outside of him and he still got 135 on one of the top defenses in the nation.
He was impressive then and I think we could regret trading the pick to Minny and allowing them to take him over the next 5 years.
Go Texans
The issue this year with OU was a lack of production from their Offense. Their Defense was very salty. Gerhart was all that Stanford had as the starting QB was out for the game. OU knew he was going to get the ball and that there were really no other offensive threats outside of him and he still got 135 on one of the top defenses in the nation.
He was impressive then and I think we could regret trading the pick to Minny and allowing them to take him over the next 5 years.
Go Texans