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If McNair doesn't do something tomorrow he's a fool.
- Thread starter Nighthawk
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on Capers replacement? I've heard that Pete Carrol is interested in returning to Pro Football which would make that #1 pick all the more interesting 
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Nighthawk said:
Mcnair said after the game that he did not have the product he wanted, and that changes were coming, but not until the end of the season. He mentioned that both coaches AND players were on contract (possibly hinting that if on a contract, everyone can lose that contract too).
"changes were coming" = I'm 99% sure he said this, at least he hinted that "something" would have to be done, which equals changes.
ATX_Texan
Waterboy
Why is firing Capers now a classless move? Is it anymore "classy" for McNair to give him the vote of confidence in public, while he is really working behind the scenes to find his replacement? People continue to have this strange idea that firing a coach in mid-season will discourage candidates from coming to the Texans. Are the Browns and Dolphins considered classless organizations? They both fired their coaches during last season. It appears they were able to obtain quality coaches.
Any iterim coach will at least be given the opportunity to do things their way until the end of year. Right now, everyone on this team from the coaches to the players have a built in excuse to not do anything because they can fall back on "We are just doing what Capers is telling us". Remove him and then responsibility will at least shift back to them. Making the move will allow them to hopefully start doing things a little different around here.
The problem with that line of thinking is that an interim coach has to have at least a remote chance of getting the job (or even keeping his old job as the Dolphins DC did) or have a better report with the players than the head coach to make that work. Essentially, you're talking about replacing an ineffective teacher with a substitute teacher.
The best reason for these players to play well is that their owner has intimated that their job could be on the line too. Bad schemes and strategy is one thing, but poor execution is another. Poor execution is as much on the players as it is the coaches.
The only good excuse for firing the coaches now is that it is becoming more and more of a distraction with each passing week. There is little gained in having an extra six weeks at this point. The new GM should hire the new coach (assuming Casserly is also jettisoned at season's end) and NO NFL coaches are available now anyway. Pete Carroll is a decent thought, but since he will be in the national championship game he won't be available until early January. The same is true for any good college coach. We might as well wait.
Besides, the thoughts on the Browns in particular are specious. The Browns are not a class organization (they gave Palmer less time than we've given Capers) and have gone through three different regimes. They may pass all the Miss Manners tests, but we shouldn't pattern ourselves after them. I think four seasons is enough for Capers and if you go to the end of the season then you set that precedent for your organization.
ATX_Texan
Waterboy
Jim Bates was Miami's defensive coordinator before taking over as interim coach last year when Dave Wannstedt resigned (fired: wink, wink) at midseason. Bates led the Dolphins to a 3-4 record. The team was 1-8 when Wannstedt quit. Bates was able to show his ability as a head coach and no one will ever be able to take that off his resume. He is actually the defensive coordinator for the Packers this year.
Regardless of how bad some people feel about the Browns and Dolphins, they were never the less able to recruit some highly respected coaching candidates. I don't think any coaching candidate rejected a chance to work for these organizations because of the way the former coach was removed.
I still don't understand how it is more classy to leave Capers as a lame duck coach with no hope of remaining, while McNair is working behind the scenes to replace him.
Whether the interim coach is a substitute teacher or not. It is obvious that the players have tuned out Capers. Will things change with a different coach? Most likely not. However, there will be some chance and people will be given opportunities that they would otherwise not have.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
profootballtalk.comcuppacoffee said:
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
check out profootballtalk.com for contining coverage of casserly's judgement
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
aj. said:
Agreed.
You only make a midseason move if you have someone in-house that is a better choice.
For where we are now, and the choice we have now, the best approach is to wait until after the season to make moves when there are better choices available.
Usually the fire Capers/Casserly immediately point of view start looks a little silly when people say who they would like to be the interim guys. And then it makes you say, yeah right.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
mexican_texan said:
Are you referring to the "rumor mill" ?
I visit the site frequently and quite often they are accurate.
Having said that, I doubt that they are privy to any conversations that go on between Mr McNair and his employees. They are reading between the lines like many of us do, but that doesn't translate into fact until it actually occurs.
If you read the article again you will notice the sentence:
"Our source shared with us a possible conversation between the two."
Your other statement " To the inquiring minds just know that things are in the works and things have been said." Is only conjecture.
Don't accept everything you read on the web as being based on fact.
cac:
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
cuppacoffee said:Don't accept everything you read on the web as being based on fact.
cac:
Exactly. Truth is a weird thing. When you are looking at complex situations, it is hard to know what the real truth is because everyone filters things through their own life experiences.
Is Carr bad, or is it the system, or is it the supporting cast, or is it the coaching, or is it the offensive line, or is it some combination thereof?
Are we drafting poorly, or is it that rookies are starting before they are ready, or they don't have good enough talent around them to achieve, or are they being coached poorly, or is it a mixed bag of some good picks some not, or is it that some picks haven't fully developed yet, or bad luck unpredictable injuries or is it some combination thereof?
You can pick any portion or part of the team and do this same analysis. And STILL not be assured of discovering the root causes of all the problems. Some things the team has done has worked, but a lot of stuff this season has not worked. The general truth is that this team is not good right now, but the root causes and specific truths are more difficult to discern because there are so many things that go into it.
Bottom line, the team tried to make some changes in the off-season with an eye on getting better and they whiffed. Some moves work, but these moves dint. When you are in a results business and you don't get them, no matter what the reason, you are gonna get canned, and that is what is gonna happen, but not midseason for the Texans cuz there is no good replacement.
Speaking of truth, I heard that Muhammad Saidal Sahhaf wants to be the new spokesperson for the Texans, saying:
Houston is 10-0.
They have humilated their opponents like the dogs that they are.
David Carr has never been sacked. The enemy defense has never penetrated the line of scrimmage.
The injuries are just more lies and falsehoods by the American media.
Dom Capers is still in power and will never be axed.
OK, it was an attempt at humor.
Though I will say that I find very little humor about the team now. These are generally a good group of guys, I still think they are playing hard, but they don't have the pieces and parts around to compete, and I just hate seeing folks kick them when they're down. As bad as we feel about the team, I am betting the team and coaches feels worse. I don't care how much or little money you make, it just feels bad to be playing on a losing team.
mean mark8
Waterboy
HomeBred_Texan said:
And he did it after calling a timeout. This coach doesn't realize he's 1-9. Remember his comment, "It doesn't matter if you're 0-4 or 4-0, you have to stay with what you're doing?" What you're doing is embarrassing your team to the point of humiliation. Keeping this coach is only making things worse. It is making the players believe more and more that they can't do it. The coach doesn't believe in them to be able to do it. The fans don't believe in them to be able to do anything under this coach. While changing the coach is not going to turn this thing around instantaneously, it will be a gesture to the players and the fans that the owner feels it is the coaching holding them back. There have been a lot of interim coaches over the years when the owners of those respective teams have said enough is enough. Did all of those interims stay as the head coach the next year? No. We are not looking for our new head coach of the future to start immediately but we need to stop the bleeding now. Keeping Capers is damaging guys like AJ and DRob. Our "short bus" offense has ruined Carr. The embarrassing way in which we are losing is costing McNair money as half the fans leave the building at or before half-time and the rest are gone by the end of the 3rd qtr. Virtually 95% of the fans who remained for the 4th qtr of Sunday's game were Chiefs fans. That's of the roughly 1,000 fans or so who remained. The head coach has to go. The process of our future starts today. Putting things off until tomorrow just makes things worse.
ATX_Texan
Waterboy
What really is silly is to think that things will be any worse until the end of the year with anyone else coaching the team. Right now, Capers is 1 - 9. I don't think any of the guys on the staff would do any worse than that. I an assure every one that anarchy will not occur on the field. At least nothing worse than the already horrible performances of a team that clearly given up on the coach. The one thing you do is give somebody else the opportunity to be a head coach for the remainder of the year. It is not about saving this year. It is about getting ready for the future.
To me this whole situation is like the case where the husband has decided to end the marriage and find him someone else. However, he does not want to look bad by getting rid of her right before the holidays. So, instead he continues to put on the facade of everything is fine. In the meantime, everyone knows what is going to happen, including the wife. The search for the next one is just going on behind the scene.
The bottom line is that McNair should show some moxy and pull the plug on this fiasco. Keeping a lame duck around only for appearance sake does not make you "classy". If the Texans were not going to pay Capers for the rest of the year, it would be tacky. However, Capers is going to get paid no matter what.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
ATX_Texan said:
OK who?
Who is the interim coach?
Your post doesn't mention one.
Capers gets paid, the team doesn't hate him, so why can him right now?
McNair has said that much--that you only make changes when you know you can replace with someone who will do better.
Who is the miracle worker? If you say Joe Marciano, then you have just taken the coach away from the most productive part of the squad and not replaced him with someone else.
Lots of problems with this team, Capers being one of them, but firing him right now doesn't fix all those other problems though it might be emotionally satisfying.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
bckey said:
To reward him because our db's have played so well this year????
Because he has helped develop Phillip Buchanon so well and incorporate him into our system????
Because he is fiery, and we all know that if he starts yelling at guys, they will start to play more better because yelling improves performance.
I am not a Hoke hater, but he is not going to improve things being interim guy. He has his work cut out for him trying to figure out how to do musical DBs with all the injuries.
Please re-read AJ's post in this thread.
ATX_Texan
Waterboy
What would possibly be wrong with rewarding Coach Joe Marciano with the head coaching job for the rest of the year? You are correct in your assessment that the special teams is the ONE area of this team that has been good this year. If you promote him, you show that this organization rewards people who get results. In addition, you put him in a no lose situation. If the team continues to be as bad, who will blame him? If by some miracle the show improvement, it only helps his stock as a coach. The one thing you do is give him is the opportunity to he an NFL coach. How can they be a bad thing?
The one I know is that if Capers remains as head coach it helps absolutely no one. The difference between Capers and Joe at this point in time is absolutely nothing. The team does not care what Capers is trying to do. They cannot possibily play any worse than they are right now. I would hope that maybe the players would at least rally around the interim coach and make some kind of effort. Right now, it is too easy for everyone to just blame everything on Capers and not do anything different until he is gone.
The one I know is that if Capers remains as head coach it helps absolutely no one. The difference between Capers and Joe at this point in time is absolutely nothing. The team does not care what Capers is trying to do. They cannot possibily play any worse than they are right now. I would hope that maybe the players would at least rally around the interim coach and make some kind of effort. Right now, it is too easy for everyone to just blame everything on Capers and not do anything different until he is gone.
I also didn't understand why he didn't play Wells at all. In interviews during the week he admitted Wells did well the past few weeks and said he was going to mix him in. I don't know why he wasn't in there when the Texans were near the goal line. I really didn't understand the field goal at 4th and 4, down 17. It gave the Chiefs a big lift, when we potentially could have grabbed some momemtum with 14 straight points.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
ATX_Texan said:
And if they perform well, is it because of the coaching, or because we are playing mostly teams with losing records.
And if they fall apart, is it that they weren't a terribly good team or is it that they had complete chaos from losing their liked head coach and taking away the special team's coach.
To see all the arguments pro and con re: marciano head coach see:
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=14486
bckey
All Pro
Texans_Chick said:
You asked for a name and you got one. I am sorry if you didn't like it. I am in the camp that thinks keeping Capers around until the end of the season is doing more damage than good. I am not asking for Hoke to be the next hc just an interim for the last 6 games. Can he do worse? I think not.
ATX_Texan
Waterboy
How you do you define complete chaos? Again, if we fire Capers will this team be anymore horrible than it is right now? Will they lose by 40 points, instead of 20 to 30 points every game? I would also like to know how we can know how "well liked" Capers is by the team. I am sure that they like the fact that they are given a free ride to take the rest of the season off because he is just a lame duck.
Right now, we know that Palmer, Capers, and Fangio are the architects of the abomination we see on the field right now. You remove them all from the picture and install Marciano as HC, Hoke as DC, and leave Pendry as OC (as much as I feel he is just another problem). Now, these guys don't have the excuse that Capers is holding them back. They have the responsibility and the ability to show everyone what they can do. If it works, it is only good for them. If it does not, no one will hold it against them. If the team rallies around these guys in an effort to win one for Dom after his wrongful firing, than that is just a bonus. They sure don't seem all that concerned about saving his job by their performance this season.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
bckey said:
It is not that I didn't like it, it is just that I thought it was silly.
I recognize that people have strong feelings about how this season is going, and I do too, but the problem is that at this point of the season, there are very few options that we can do that really will fix things.
Taking a college guy who can barely keep a lid on the db situation and promoting him to the interim guy just seems silly to me. I've made my point about that and you haven't said anything different.
I can be persuaded otherwise, but I haven't seen the argument that supports it, and it has to be more of an argument than just "anyone would be better than this guy" based on a feeling in your spleen or something. If you can make a rational argument about why Hoke would be a good head interim coaching prospect at this point in his career, I'd love to hear it.
Seriously.
Anyone.
I'd love to hear who this miracle replacement guy is. If we have a Jeff Fisher on our staff, waiting in the wings, who would be The Guy to replace Capers, I'd love to hear it.
ATX_Texan
Waterboy
Again, this is not a question about saving this season. The real problem is figuring out what exactly we have on this team during the remaining weeks. If we leave Capers and crew around, we will learn absolutely nothing. We will see the same tired game plan by the same disinterested players just waiting for the season to end.
Is Hoke ready to become a DC on this staff or any other? We don't know because we will continue to see Fangio's system until the off season. Let him run the defense until the end of year.
Is this Pendry's offense or is he just folllowing Capers' grand plan? Now, he can maybe dazzle us with something new and exciting. I doubt it, but come on it MIGHT be better.
The whole "OH my God, we fire Capers and the Texans will descend into chaos and the players will burn down Reliant" is pure nonsense.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
ATX_Texan said:
It is just another thing that makes their day to day job more of a mess. Not only do they have to game plan for the next game, but they also have to figure out who is doing what.
I don't understand the logic of anything you said in your second paragraph at all.
You know, it is quite possible to be playing your hardest and just not have the quality players, depth, and consistency and chemistry to win.
Coaching is a problem on this team, but it isn't the only problem. Given our remaining schedule, I wouldn't be surprised if we won any of those games. But if we play coach roulette, I just think it would be just another shuffled up thing again in a very shuffled up season.
Just admit that you want Capers fired RIGHT NOW because it would feel good to you. It's OK to admit that. Don't try to justify it as something that would be the magic voodoo, or fixin up pixie dust or something.
I'm just saying.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
ATX_Texan said:
Oh, now you have explained it. Hoke is the most super genius, omnipotent guru deluxe ever because he can install an entirely new defensive system in one week. (Though I will admit that I would like for him to use his magnificent talents to help figure out what we are gonna do with all the db injuries--maybe he has healing powers too!!!!)
Well, nevermind then.
ATX_Texan
Waterboy
I realize just how terrible this team is right now. You are correct that the personnel is not where it should be at this time. For that, I blame Casserly and feel that he should be gone as well. However, he has the excuse that it all the Capers' fault for not using the players correctly. If you remove Capers now, you have the remainder of the year to confirm or deny that idea. I feel that coaching is the number one problem right now. I see a team that makes dumb penalities and appears to be completely uninspired. Staying the course will only insure that we continue to see the same half-hearted effort. This team is in complete chaos. Does Gary Walker or DRob have to start a fight on the field will someone on the team to confirm it?
If there was some magic voodoo, I would use it. I know that it will take a while to rebuild the mess that C & C built. The sooner everyone accepts that fact and it starts, the better.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
To me, it has nothing to do with making me feel good. It's all about what I think makes the most sense. Personally, I'm not big on keeping leaders around that know they are out the door...no matter how much I consider them "good folks". I'd like to see Capers moved on so we can stop faking everything and get on with building this franchise. It doesn't work, let's look at a few kids and let’s get on with the future by playing some kids who don't get on film much. The guys who sit down are going to want to play even harder. Put it in Pendry's hands give him a bonus and tell him how you want to see your personnel handled for your evaluators. Capers as the dead man walking coach is just not a good idea in my opinion. Here is a quote by Nick Saban. I think Nick Saban sums up where we are at pretty well. Capers can't look anyone in the eye and say this. He's gone and he knows it.Texans_Chick said:
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13228692.htmDolphins coach Nick Saban said:
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
It is my opinion that McNair should come out and say that everyone will be let go at the end of the season. This will put all players and coaches on notice as they are vested in their performance for the remiander of the season while not messing with any continuity. Moreover, it gives potential suitors for our coaches and players notice. It also gives prosepective candidates for a Texan position enough time to get their ducks in a row.
This will at least manage the mess with class.
This will at least manage the mess with class.
ATX_Texan
Waterboy
If the alternative is seeing Fangio and Capers' same defense that they have been trying to install for 4+ years, please give me something new. I would be happy if Hoke do any one of the following: apply pressure to the quarterback, cover the tight end, stop the run, and most importantly: learn to tackle. He would have six games to at least work on one of these items.
It seems like some people are way too concerned about hurting poor Dom's feelings by puling the plug on him.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Vinny said:
Thank you, Vinny, for making an argument that is better than just saying in essence, just cuz you think it would be better.
You know, to some degree, I think we are seeing some of that already. Without it being said as such. Also, we are getting a lot of film on folks just because it is the walking wounded out there. For example, I hope Mathis stays good this week and we can see him return punts. (Actually I hope we actually have some situations where they are punting.)
We haven't seen it at the QB spot because I really think that they are trying to work hard with Carr--to see if he is coachable and is worth keeping. You can see how he has been changing some under Pendry--at this point I think a lot of guys are overthinking and not just being able to play. If you are trying lots of stuff and you aren't used to it yet, you overthink it and can't just do.
I guess I don't want to can Capers right now because I see so many problems on the team that I don't see him as "the cancer" that some others might refer to him as.
I just want to see what our team does against a slew of teams coming up that are not that good. If you make a lot of changes now, you are changing up the variables such that you can't figure out whether it is coaching or whether it is players or whether it is just easier teams we are playing against.
If you really have gone the direction of hey, this season is toast, let's just build for the future and see what different guys can do, well then, Capers can do that role too.
I can understand the build for the future Saban rhetoric, but I also understand the Capers no quit philosophy. I know people are saying his players have quit, but at least publically, they are saying all the right things.
Pendry as caretaker isn't terribly exciting either.
Just don't like any of our options right now.
mean mark8
Waterboy
In a business, if you start to lose money, that's a really bad sign. You look for the cause and you put a stop to it. I've worked in the treasury of 2 Houston companies that were near bankruptcy but we were able to turn them around and make them successful. The first thing you do is look at your managers and employees and you terminate the ones who do not perform. You don't even have to have anyone in mind for their replacement, they're gone. Whoever is in the department with some type of leadership skills is let to run things until you find the guy who you know will make it work. Second, you start divesting your money losing properties. If an area is losing money, you close it or sell it. We would even take the charge for the loss before we actually dumped it. Then you begin looking at what's going on with your customers. Are they happy? You devise a plan to make them happy. In creating this plan, you see if what's created your problems is that the plan you had 1 or more years ago is/was just a poor plan or if the execution of that plan has been poor. (Sorry for the "Capersism" there with execution.) You make this the last step because you want to have these decisions made by people who will make the right decisions.
IMO, we are in the first stage of this process. For all intents and purposes, on national television our stadium was empty by the start of the 4th quarter. McNair has to have felt a significant hit to the revenue line in lost concessions' sales. Their solution prior to the Chiefs game was to offer a feable incentive to use your tickets for the last 4 games. Putting the names in a hat of all people who use all their tickets for the last 4 games and drawing a winner for 2 tickets to the Super Bowl, to watch other good teams play against each other. This brought people to the game but it can't keep them there. The next step has to occur in the process as soon as possible to keep the losses from growing. Does McNair really want to have his team play in front of 30,000 people a game for the remaining 3 home games? Actually, that number is probably extremely generous when you consider our final game is on December 24 against the Jags. More people show up at high school games than are going to show for that one if the process for fixing things hasn't already begun by then.
IMO, we are in the first stage of this process. For all intents and purposes, on national television our stadium was empty by the start of the 4th quarter. McNair has to have felt a significant hit to the revenue line in lost concessions' sales. Their solution prior to the Chiefs game was to offer a feable incentive to use your tickets for the last 4 games. Putting the names in a hat of all people who use all their tickets for the last 4 games and drawing a winner for 2 tickets to the Super Bowl, to watch other good teams play against each other. This brought people to the game but it can't keep them there. The next step has to occur in the process as soon as possible to keep the losses from growing. Does McNair really want to have his team play in front of 30,000 people a game for the remaining 3 home games? Actually, that number is probably extremely generous when you consider our final game is on December 24 against the Jags. More people show up at high school games than are going to show for that one if the process for fixing things hasn't already begun by then.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I am still not sure about the concessions arguement. McNair may be getting paid by the vendor through a license to sell, on top of the leasing the space out. I cannot imagine McNair having risk in the sales of concessions. When it comes to big money it is all about capturing annuity streams.
The people that I think are getting hurt by not going to the concessions are the vendors, presently, and us, in the future. If we do not support the current line up of vendors we will most likley see cafeteria style food as an option with future food vendors like Sodexo. Low demand will invite a vendor who is a low cost provider for such "preserved perishables."
This is only my opinion.
The people that I think are getting hurt by not going to the concessions are the vendors, presently, and us, in the future. If we do not support the current line up of vendors we will most likley see cafeteria style food as an option with future food vendors like Sodexo. Low demand will invite a vendor who is a low cost provider for such "preserved perishables."
This is only my opinion.
TheOgre
All Pro
I'd like to see an interim coach with emphasis on testing backups that haven't gotten much p.t. (Ragone, Hollings, Morency, etc.). I'm not saying they all play at the same time. I don't think that gives you a clear view of their abilities. Rather, I think you need to mix them into the starting lineup, and see how they do.
mean mark8
Waterboy
TheOgre said:
That's exactly what I want. Capers has shown all he will do is run Davis left, throw to a WR who simply turns to face Carr as his pattern, or throw to a WR on a 7 yard out pattern. On all of those 7 yard out patterns, we had a slot WR or two running deep fly or post patterns. Only once did Carr even attempt a pass over 10 yards, the 17 yard high pass to Gaffney where Gaff got hammered and couldn't hang on to the ball. What is wrong with playing other players to see if they're going to make the same decisions under the same circumstances?
touttail
Rookie
Vinny said:
Vinny I TOTALLY agree with you. What more damage would it do to play some of our backups! Are we still trying for a playoff spot???? Capers
could win out the season and still not have a job with the Texans next year!Hell, at least we would have some players on the field playing with desire, besides a couple that are now. Does Capers
think we will get blownout
if we play some reserve players?bobby 119C:brickwall
Vambo, the Marble Eye
Waterboy
Wharton said:
Agreed, the season is shot and it is time to think about salvaging your revenue base... the fans. With the exception of thinking we need to send a message to the players all of your points address doing the hard things it takes to win.
The players are professionals... they better know you don't get to this level without doing what you are paid to do. WIN. A former Oiler head coach with an affinity for Elvis once said "NFL stands for not for long" while chewing out an official for a bad call. The statement is appropriate now.
ATX Texan,
Would six games with an interim coach really prove that the personnel was bad? Casserly could come back and say that key players were injured and the interim coach couldn't install his system in time to make a difference. The point is that both Capers and Casserly have built in excuses. Both can claim the other didn't do what they needed to be successful. You have to cut off both in order to do the right thing, but cutting off one to prove that the other was at fault won't work at this point.
I have an idea. If the fans really need blood then why not fire Vic Fangio and promote one of the other assistants to DC or have Capers call the defensive plays. When Pendry took over the offense improved slightly. A slight improvement in the defense might avoid complete embarassment. Is it a good idea? No, but if we must have blood we must have blood.
Would six games with an interim coach really prove that the personnel was bad? Casserly could come back and say that key players were injured and the interim coach couldn't install his system in time to make a difference. The point is that both Capers and Casserly have built in excuses. Both can claim the other didn't do what they needed to be successful. You have to cut off both in order to do the right thing, but cutting off one to prove that the other was at fault won't work at this point.
I have an idea. If the fans really need blood then why not fire Vic Fangio and promote one of the other assistants to DC or have Capers call the defensive plays. When Pendry took over the offense improved slightly. A slight improvement in the defense might avoid complete embarassment. Is it a good idea? No, but if we must have blood we must have blood.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
barzilla said:
There is an idea that might actually benefit the team this season. Get rid of Fangio, have Hoke step in as DC with Dom looking over his shoulder. Let's see an aggressive D scheme--fine we may give up some big plays (like we haven't already) but let's see some aggression.
ATX_Texan
Waterboy
If I had my way, they would fire Casserly as well. However, I think that we need to peel away the layers of decay in stages. Like I outlined, you need to get Capers out of the picture now. We got rid of Palmer and exposed that the offense looks much the same. This tells me that Capers' system is still in place. As long as he is here, all the coaches under him will just be following his plan. Their excuse will continue to be that they are just trying to win the only way Capers knows how. By firing him and Fangio, you allow Pendry and Hoke the freedom to do what they want. The expectation is not turn this ship around this season, there is not enough time. McNair can set the rules that the remainder of the season is for evaluating talent and trying some different things. The Dolphins last year were 1-8 when they fired Wannedstat. The fact that the interim coach was able to get 3-4 out of them showed that the coaching was lacking. You will get a fresh outlook on the players and the coaches on the staff.
Very valid. The Dolphins were a different case though. They always had a solid defense, so appointing the defensive coordinator made sense because his unit had success. That's the whole point. Usually in these interim cases you have one unit that is decent with the other unit being utterly pathetic. Both of our units are utterly pathetic. I would seriously appoint Marciano because you HAVE to reward success. Go ahead and fire Fangio at the same time and promote Hoke as you suggest and get after it.
My fear is that Casserly is going to escape responsibility. You cannot go into this next draft and fumble your way through it again. You have to hit on at least three of those first four selections (two third rounders) or trade down and hit on four of the first five. Then, you have to sign at least two or three significant free agents and hit on those folks too. Casserly is hitting about .500 which might be good in baseball but sucks when you're the top player personnel guy.
angeltexus
Practice Squad
Anyone in favor of keeping Capers should be forced to sit in his lockerroom so they can hear the same garbage before, during and after the game. When Keeshawn Johnson departed from Tampa Bay he exposed Chucky as being a slickster, well Capers is in the same boat only he is a so called NICE slickster. All yall fans that followed the Oilers for years should of known 4 years ago Capers was not a good coach. Why yall getting mad now. You got took by a SLICKSTER!!