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If Clements lines up on AJ
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gr8slayer
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I would honestly like a link to your stats about the Jets vs. the Bills.LBC_Justin said:Depends on how you meassure a great defense?
I think scoring is the most important stat. (Others may disagree)
- Jacksonville allowed less points than the Bills last year. We beat them 20-6, 21-0.
- Jets had a better Defense in both points allowed and yards than the Bills did last year. They shut us down. 29-7.
LOL we see you guys being more like the Jags, than the Jets. ()
We beat the Jets last year
Our scoring Defense was amongst the best and we had the number one ST's, goodness stats get boring after a while.
Fiddy
All Pro
Well, no one catches TDs on this team because once we get inside the 20, it becomes the re-run of "The Davis Show." Dumpoffs to Davis, runs to the left by Davis, runs to the right by Davis, runs up the middle to Davis. He even had a 5 yard TD reception last year. 11 of his 13 rushing TDs we from one yard out and another 1 from two yards out. (pretty sure, may have been one less one yarder and instead of that a 5 yarder).eMoulds said:
We dont throw to WRs in the redzone. You may want to know that.
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gr8slayer
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Elite is for guys like Moss, Owens, Harrison, Chad Johnson etc........eMoulds said:
Moulds is more in the category with guys like Jimmy Smith, Rod Smith, maybe Andre Johnson etc.......... He has lost a step or two n the past few years.
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gr8slayer
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Do they not trust Johnson?Fiddy said:
LBC_Justin
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Actually all it shows is that we lack a #2 reciever the quality of Evans. It isn't a knock against Johnson.eMoulds said:
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gr8slayer
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Sounds like Johnson has the same problem Moulds has had all his career, bad QB play.Fiddy said:
LBC_Justin
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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/tmstats2004.htmgr8slayer said:I would honestly like a link to your stats about the Jets vs. the Bills.
We beat the Jets last year
Our scoring Defense was amongst the best and we had the number one ST's, goodness stats get boring after a while.
Fiddy
All Pro
The point is that another WR on the Texans hasnt gotten 9 TDs in a season because of the way we play down in the redzone. Gaff and Bradford are rarely ever targeted in the redzone. It is a quick read to AJ, and if he is not open, a quick dump to Davis. It's Carr's fault for not looking to other WRs, he doesnt even give them a chance...eMoulds said:
LBC_Justin
Rookie
Trust me we needed to draft someone for the pass rush. We had an eye on a few recievers but they didn't drop to us in the draft. LT class was really weak this year. Next year is suppose to be one of the strongest Tackle classes ever.gr8slayer said:
Actually The Texans have been very successful with our draft pics. If they have done anything right it has been drafting. You have to remember as an expansion team we still have a lot of holes to fill.
Oh and Carr is nothing like Bledsoe. Carr is very Mobile, makes few mistakes. But he has been getting pounded on, gets very little time to throw, and doesn't have many weapons outside of Johnson and Davis.
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gr8slayer
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I have also seen Carr make some VERY stupid mistakes that only QB's like Bledsoe would make. Like Losman, untill Carr puts up a Pro Bowl season he is just another first round bust in my eyes.LBC_Justin said:
LBC_Justin
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LOL you must have never seen a Texans game before.eMoulds said:
1-10 run
2-long run
3-long run
Palmer likes to call runing plays, even when we should be passing.
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gr8slayer
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Perhaps Palmer is your biggest problem.LBC_Justin said:
LBC_Justin
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Actually I post it somewhere on this board. A link on ESPN that measured QBs decision making. In the entire NFL only two QBs made fewer mistakes than Carr. Lots of his interceptions are from tipped balls. I'll see if I can find it.gr8slayer said:
No way you can call him a bust playing behind our offensive line. I don't think you truely grasp exactly how piss poor our O-line has been the last 3 years. It has been the worst in NFL history!!! Imagine being a rookie QB behind the worst O-line in NFL history!!!! Carr doesn't even know what pass protection is.
LBC_Justin
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I won't go into Palmer. But it seems to be the concensus around here that he will be the first to go. I'll leave it at that.Fiddy said:OHHHH NOOOOOO, this may turn into yet ANOTHER Palmer bashing thread very soon. Thank you very much
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gr8slayer
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I have seen the Texans play both live and on TV enough to know that Carr is a bad QB. Im not trying to be a dick Im just giving my honest opinion on the guy. If Losman sucks this season I will be saying the same damn thing about him.LBC_Justin said:
LBC_Justin
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In the .5 seconds of pass protection he gets he sees to options. Throw to the tall guy or dump off to the guy right in front of him. LOLFiddy said:
QBs field visions tends to improve around their 5th year in the league. Give him time.
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gr8slayer
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In the FA era you dont have five years to wait around though when it comes to a QB contract.LBC_Justin said:
LBC_Justin
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No dissrepect to your opinion but a LOT of Experts would disagree with you. I am not going to waste any time convincing you otherwise. Just watch as many Texans games as you can this year.gr8slayer said:
Bills and Steelers are a tough start, defense wise, but it will get easier for him. I expect him to hit a nice 5-6 game midseason groove.
LBC_Justin
Rookie
Peyton Manning could not have played behind our O-line the last 3 years. For the first two years Carr didn't even have a solid #1 reciever let alone a good #2. If you know a lot about football and you actually watch all the texans games you would know that Carr is one of our bright spots...but alas Football is a team sport.gr8slayer said:
I wouldn't take JP Losman and your next years #1 pick for David Carr.
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gr8slayer
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Living in Texas I dont have much of a choice but to watch Texan games. But if you can beat one of your first two opponents it will go a LONG way in proving alot of people wrong.LBC_Justin said:
Its nice to see a realistic Texan fan that doesnt think this weeks game is going to be a cake walk.
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gr8slayer
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We wouldnt give you JP for Carr and your number one next year either. Too much potential.LBC_Justin said:Peyton Manning could not have played behind our O-line the last 3 years. For the first two years Carr didn't even have a solid #1 reciever let alone a good #2. If you know a lot about football and you actually watch all the texans games you would know that Carr is one of our bright spots...but alas Football is a team sport.
I wouldn't take JP Losman and your next years #1 pick for David Carr.
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gr8slayer
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I am one of those people who thinks EVERYONE has four years to prove themselves once they are drafted. Correct me if Im wrong but this is Carr's fourth year correct?
Ithaca Bills Fan
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Hervoyel said:
And yet, your fellow Texans fans seem to care quite a bit about TWO years ago when you came to Buffalo and beat us. Hmm...
LBC_Justin
Rookie
I know it won't be easy. I also know the Johnson/Nate match up is not really the key to the game. The key is how JP Losman plays.gr8slayer said:
This game could go either way. No honest Bills fan can tell me you aren't at least a little nervous about having a first time starter as your QB, (especially after his preseason).
LBC_Justin
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Six words: Worst Offensive line in NFL history!!!gr8slayer said:
But your right Carr better have a good year this year. No excuses.
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gr8slayer
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To tell you the truth I dont feel that the way JP plays will determine which way this game goes. Mularkey's Offense is set up around the running game to take pressure off the QB. He would rather not have the QB win the game for us. I dont see JP throwing more than 24 times on Sunday. One thing we always bank on is our Defense and our ST's, thankfully for us we can count on them.LBC_Justin said:
JP is in a situation very similar to Roethlisberger's situation last season. Great Defense, great running game, but JP has ST's to back him up. No I did not just say that JP would go 13-1 as a starter but that his situation is quite similar in many ways.
LBC_Justin
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Your from Dallas. If you watched the Cowboys vs Dallas, I wouldn't blame you for thinking Carr is bad. That was a bad game.gr8slayer said:
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gr8slayer
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Hey man, we have/had just as bad of an OL as you all have had the past three years. So dont worry about convincing me how important the OL is, hell I am a college OL so Im bias as it is. But when you are a first over all pick and your getting paid what he gets paid you need to produce, you need to FIND a way. If Carr doesnt pan out this year Dom is gone and Jerry Gray is your new coach.LBC_Justin said:
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gr8slayer
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I actually just moved to Dallas about a month ago. Im originally from the Rio Grande Valley (pretty much Mexico)LBC_Justin said:
LBC_Justin
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First off you can't even compare Pittsburgh and Bills.gr8slayer said:
Steelers had the #1 defense. And more importantly they had TWO good running backs and one of the best offensive line ever assembled.(Let that last comment sink in a little.) The fact that the Steelers could run the ball 618 times (most in NFL) and only need to pass 358 time (least in the NFL). The Bills are not even close to being in that type of situation with Losman.
LBC_Justin
Rookie
First the Bills OL has not been just as bad as ours. Maybe they have been bad but not even close to ours.gr8slayer said:
Carr and Dom have this season and next. Take that to the bank.
(Unless Carr has his worst season ever and the Texans go 3-13. Then who knows maybe heads will roll.)
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gr8slayer
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So they were the number one D and we were number two. Shocking difference. I never said our OL was as good as theirs but our running game is. McGahee is twice the RB that the Bus and Staley are (one because of age and the other because of injury). Im going to go out on a limb here and say that you watched less than two starts for McGahee last year. The guy is going to get 30 carries a game this season. We also have something the Steelers didnt have, ST's. I dont know how you all think in Houston but in football ST's is just as important as any other part of the game. You WILL NOT see Losman throw more than 30 times at any point this season, write that down, tattoo it on yourself, whatever you all do there in Houston. People also forget that like Roethlisberger JP can run and doesnt need as good of an OL when he is outside the pocket buying himself sometime with his feet.LBC_Justin said:
LBC_Justin
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I think if McGahee starts running well the Texans stack the box and force Losman to throw, even Dare Losman to throw. Make him earn it in the air(which if there is man-on-man coverage he may be able to do).Fiddy said:The key is 3 new Texans starting LBs (Peek, Greenwood, Wong moving inside) vs. Willis McGahee (who i need to have a nice game for fantasy reasons...)
If McGahee dominates like he can, the game wont be in Losman's hands...
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gr8slayer
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If the Texans finish third again Dom is gone.LBC_Justin said:
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gr8slayer
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McGahee saw the box stacked ALL YEAR last year and did just fine, Im not too worried about the box. McGahee was also playing at 85% last season, according to him he is now back to his Miami days form. If he is right we might have a top five RB on our hands.LBC_Justin said:
LBC_Justin
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If Loeman ends up outside of the pocket throwing the ball he will get himself in trouble.gr8slayer said:
There is no way you can convince me that JP is walking into a situation even remotely close to the situation Roethlisberger had last year. More like the situation that Leftwich was in.
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gr8slayer
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Give me one thing other than OL the Steelers have that we dont have? The OL is a given when comparing them to any team.LBC_Justin said:
LBC_Justin
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They love Dom in Houston. The management loves him. Even in third place he gets 1 more year.gr8slayer said:
LOL Not sure why we are arguing over this as only CC and McNair can decide this.
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gr8slayer
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Thowing outside the pocket is what made him a first round pick. The guy played behind what many "draft experts" thought was one of the worst OL's in college football.LBC_Justin said:
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gr8slayer
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Not arguing, just sharing opinions. I have a Parcells like view when it comes to football. Four years and your out of here. I hate rookies. I dont give respect untill a player puts up all star numbers. blah blah blah.LBC_Justin said:
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gr8slayer
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Alittle off subject but why doesnt this board allow sigs? The look is just very boring. Something to consider perhaps?
ledzeppelin229
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I don't think Carr will even be considered a "bust" unless he just starts tanking it left and right with no end. I mean his stats last year weren't great but through the first 6 games or so he was playing at Pro Bowl level.
I'm a Carr supporter but the main reason he may not have many statistical mistakes are because he spends most of the time dumping down and that helps him a lot statwise. His decision making still needs a lot of work, expect him to force it to AJ a few times and likely pay for it too when someone jumps the route.
Maybe it's just me but after seeing the preseason, these timing routes are kind of scaring me. Carr does so much locking on that the last thing he needs is more predictable routes. Of course things looked decent against Denver and Oakland so hopefully that will be the offense that shows up. The running game I'm not too worried about. Much less likely to turn it over and I have faith in our Oline and RBs to atleast get something done.
D, I don't feel too worried. As long as PB doesn't do anything too risky and the coaches don't do something dumb like give CC Brown a bunch of complex assignments, I'm not really worried. I know Willis is a great back (We very likely could have taken him 3rd overall if it wasnt for his blown knee) but I think our LBs can handle it. Well, I know Babin and Wong can, and Peek has played better in contain than he used to. Greenwood is still a little bit of a questionmark, but I think he'll come around too. Coleman and Robinson are the least of my worries going into the game. DL will have to get it done though, hopefully losing that weight will help them out.
I'm a Carr supporter but the main reason he may not have many statistical mistakes are because he spends most of the time dumping down and that helps him a lot statwise. His decision making still needs a lot of work, expect him to force it to AJ a few times and likely pay for it too when someone jumps the route.
Maybe it's just me but after seeing the preseason, these timing routes are kind of scaring me. Carr does so much locking on that the last thing he needs is more predictable routes. Of course things looked decent against Denver and Oakland so hopefully that will be the offense that shows up. The running game I'm not too worried about. Much less likely to turn it over and I have faith in our Oline and RBs to atleast get something done.
D, I don't feel too worried. As long as PB doesn't do anything too risky and the coaches don't do something dumb like give CC Brown a bunch of complex assignments, I'm not really worried. I know Willis is a great back (We very likely could have taken him 3rd overall if it wasnt for his blown knee) but I think our LBs can handle it. Well, I know Babin and Wong can, and Peek has played better in contain than he used to. Greenwood is still a little bit of a questionmark, but I think he'll come around too. Coleman and Robinson are the least of my worries going into the game. DL will have to get it done though, hopefully losing that weight will help them out.
ledzeppelin229
Hall of Fame
gr8slayer said:
I think it has to do with making page loading quicker and just keeping the board from looking too cluttered up. We haven't really gotten used to them around here so I don't think it's much of an issue to most people.