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"I want 'Texans' on my chest" ~ Vince Young

Fiddy said:
Are you one of the most dominat college players ever and have a national championship where you led your team to victory with your percise passing and super speed legs???
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hehe . . .:rolleyes:

And you actually wonder why some are jaded and bitter. If some of you tsips would take the big S off your hero/God' s chest, and refer to him as good player who helped a team full of high school blue chippers, and loaded full of 1st round draft picks, win a national championship. Instead, we get this "put the whole team on his back, and do it all on his own" crap day in and day out.

Some of us are just plain sick of it.
 
Fiddy said:
That's Lebron James type shoe deal money and people have said he is gonna be the LBJ of the NFL. I also read or heard on the radio that he was close to signing a shoe deal for a lot but his agent decided to hold off and let other companies "bid" for him...
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No way, no day. Where is the return on investment? There are no incremental sales of football gear, like basketball shoes and apparel. Moreover, the expected career of an NFL player is 4 years. It makes no sense.

Here is an article speaking to it:
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/business/1136519708323051.xml&coll=7
 
Marcus said:
hehe . . .:rolleyes:

And you actually wonder why some are jaded and bitter. If some of you tsips would take the big S off your hero/God' s chest, and refer to him as good player who helped a team full of high school blue chippers, and loaded full of 1st round draft picks, win a national championship. Instead, we get this "put the whole team on his back, and do it all on his own" crap day in and day out.

Some of us are just plain sick of it.
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As I said up above, I'm not a tsip and not high on taking him but don't you think this is oversimplifying it. USC had the top recruiting class for the last three years straight so why isn't everyone dogging Leianrt and Bush about being surrounded by studs?All three took their team where they needed to go and are leaders and winners. I can see the frustration but your sentiments make no sense. I just can't see why people don't hype their favorite and leave the others alone. I think the hating has gotten more over the top than the love shown.
 
C'mon Marcus, it ain't about "tsips"... but I guess I know where you stand on them. He did put that team on his back in the 4th quarter, down 12 with 6 minutes left and no momentum. If it were Elway or Favre you woulda said he put the team on his back.

What top team in the country isn't loaded with blue chippers, what top five team doesn't have first rounders?

It's not about Young being a god, it's about Young being the dominant player in a national championship game on a field with two Heisman winners, and probly 10 first rounders. It's about Pete Carroll knowing the game is over if Young gets the ball in his hands. It's about gameplanning for a month against a guy and him still having the best game of his life. It's about a lot of stuff that shows he's more than just a "good player".
 
Just speculating, but Young will get a fat endorsement contract (by football standards), he's big like a basketball player, has charisma, and bidding will be high. Under Armour just went public and might want a star endorser, Reebok just merged with Adidas and is targeting Nike, and Nike probably is willing to pay a premium to keep him away from a rival. I've read some reports saying Nike has made record money off Texas gear after the NC, they know what he's worth.

Football guys don't get a ton of money in endorsements, but Young's got some crossover appeal. Bo Jackson sold some non-football shoes and was very marketable, Ken Griffey sold a lot of shoes back in his prime, although Vick hasn't done so well (I've seen his shoes on clearance), Deion sold a ton of cross trainers, Jeter even has shoes that sell. I wouldn't be shocked to see a figure in the 30 million+ range.
 
HoustonFrog said:
As I said up above, I'm not a tsip and not high on taking him but don't you think this is oversimplifying it. USC had the top recruiting class for the last three years straight so why isn't everyone dogging Leianrt and Bush about being surrounded by studs?All three took their team where they needed to go and are leaders and winners. I can see the frustration but your sentiments make no sense. I just can't see why people don't hype their favorite and leave the others alone. I think the hating has gotten more over the top than the love shown.
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You know exactly what I'm talking about with this man-crush that most on this MB have on VY. Don't pretend it doesn't exist with your hypocrisy pointing. So far, I haven't read a single post threatening to not be a fan anymore if we don't take Bush or trade down. You're ignorant yourself if you think this wouldn't provoke a backlash.

And now, you're mad at some of us for being jaded and bitter? Who is to blame for that?
 
Marcus said:
You know exactly what I'm talking about with this man-crush that most on this MB have on VY. Don't pretend it doesn't exist with your hypocrisy pointing. So far, I haven't read a single post threatening to not be a fan anymore if we don't take Bush or trade down. You're ignorant yourself if you think this wouldn't provoke a backlash.

And now, you're mad at some of us for being jaded and bitter? Who is to blame for that?
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What am I pointing out that is so wrong? I do see a ton of VY hype and yeah I can see how it is annoying but that is no reason to jump me..who wants to take Bush...and to jump VY personally when you try and hate on the guy with untrue statements about his ability. All of those guys on both those teams are surrounded by top athletes and recruits. I wouldn't be throwing around the word ignorant because I refuse to get so riled up about sports debates on the Texans board. Put your sock back on and take your toe off the trigger. I just don't think it is going to end soon for either guy and if I remember correctly the Bush love was going from mid season on!Have a cold one:)
 
I don't care if he wants to play here. What I care about is the Texans winning. Just because he says he wants to play here doesn't mean that the Texans will choose that route. I believe the Texans will do what they think is best for the organization, whether or not that involves Young is yet to be seen. But just because he says he wants to play for us isn't a logical reason to pick him with the #1 pick.
 
texansfan88 said:
I have a 6 year old neighbor down the street that wants to play for Houston... maybe the chronicle can write an article about him as well...

who cares if he wants to play here?
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If that six year old can throw for 3000 yards and run for 1000 yards in the same season in the NCAA DivI football league, send the young'n to reliant stadium imediately.... before Jerry Jones finds out about him.
 
At the end of April hundreds of players will be drafted by all 32 teams. Each and every one of those players really, really, really, really wants to wear "Texans" on their chest if they could be the first pick in the draft.
 
Fighting Blue Hen said:
Bush said yesterday during a ESPN radio interview at the Super Bowl that he would like to play for Mike Martz. He thinks he can be utilized like Marshall Faulk has been. The Lions fans in the background were cheering because Martz had supposedly been hired by the Lions but I saw later that hiring wasn't official.

Bush just wants to be drafted #1. It's all about that status and the money it is going to bring.
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This makes the most sense, out of anything that I've heard regarding drafting Reggie Bush. BPA....... yeah, you can draft that way, and sometimes it works. Sometimes, you get someone that doesn't fit your system, and just doesn't work, regardless of the talent you've got around him.

For instance...... you want to be a running football team. You draft steady dependable ball carriers...... nothing flashy, just run it up the middle, and get me three yards...... you put together a Runblocking Offensive line, then you get a QB, who can get out of trouble with his legs.... Well, if everything is coming along as planned, except one piece.... what do you do??

There are systems, that are made that would cater to different players. What MikeMartz did in StLouis........ the players(WRs) they have in Detroit..... if they would fix their offensive line, and give Harrington a help in the form of Reggie Bush........... they would be in the SuperBowl in no time.... Mike Martz, don't need no defense.............. greatest show on turf. I said a little while ago, that I don't think even MikeMartz could do it again. But if he can get Reggie in Detroit, he isn't very far away.

Even a guy like Vermiel.... who is Kookie enough, and good enough to take a talent like Bush, and really utilize him in an offense.... Then that would be a good fit.

The way our team is built, the way McNair said we were going to play football, the coaches we've brought to Houston........ Reggie Bush is sooooo much a square peg it isn't funny. This isn't to say Reggie isn't talented, that he's going to be a bust, or that he won't lead a team to the Big Dance, and bring home the trophy, he may do all that, and sooooo many people are going to be saying........."see, we should've drafted Reggie"....

Philadelphia would've been a totally different team had they drafted Ricky Williams........ as would the Colts...... If Jake Delhomme would've started for N.O., there is no reason to believe he would've got them to the SuperBowl. If Tom Brady were drafted in the second round by SanFrancisco, there is no reason for us to believe he would have 3 SB rings right now. If Kurt Warner would have been picked up by Baltimore, why should we think they would have won a SB.

I'm not hating on Reggie....... and the Texans would not have won more than 2 games this season if 26 of the other 31 starting QBs in this league would've subed for Carr behind this offensive line. Before the RoseBowl, with the possible exception of JayCutler, there wasn't a QB in the Draft, that had that extra something that will help this team win football games.

If we are going to win SuperBowls, I would prefer we do it the right way. trade down, and let's build a SB team, on both sides of the ball. But if we are going to use this draft pick, let's address a need, and provide an answer for the biggest question on our team.

Can David do it, or not......... if yes.....great we've got a problem... what are we going to do with a Vince Young who has seen no playing time in two years. If he can't do it, and it will be obvious in the first 8 weeks, we start building for our future...... and you are out of your mind, if you don't think the Houston Texans can win some games with Vince Young as QB, if Kubiak does his Job with the O-line, and our running game.

But if we don't get Vince Young, and we are looking for a QB two years from now, I will be soooooooo frik'n mad, ooohhhh soo mad... I will be a Texans fan, but I wll be the kind you hate.... the kind that second guesses every decision. The kind that will not allow you to celebrate a 3 game win streak. The kind that will magnify every sack, every fumble, every loss. I will be in the stands Booing every bad play, and nothing short of a conference Championship will silence me.

Tough love Baby.......... that's all I'd have left for the Houston Texans.
 
Marcus said:
You know exactly what I'm talking about with this man-crush that most on this MB have on VY.
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This man-crush card on VY is getting real old.

By that same token, it can be said that David Carr supporters have a man-crush on him. He was the one who did the GQ spread....

And the Reggie Bush supporters must have man-crushes on him, right? Man-crush Street goes both ways.
 
TexanSam said:
...But just because he says he wants to play for us isn't a logical reason to pick him with the #1 pick.
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chuckm said:
At the end of April hundreds of players will be drafted by all 32 teams. Each and every one of those players really, really, really, really wants to wear "Texans" on their chest if they could be the first pick in the draft.
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You're both absolutely right ~ Kubiak & Co. will make the right choice on draft day and of course many players would love to be the number one and play for the Texans.

Let me ask you this though ~ doesn't Vince's hometown roots and his heartfelt desire to play for the Texans impress you at least a little?

IMHO - Vince's desire to play in Houston is way beyond the money - after growing up in H-town myself, the pride Vince is showing his hometown means a lot to me. It's so rare these days to hear anyone gush about Houston -- kind of cool don't you think?
 
Tale Gator said:
Let me ask you this though ~ doesn't Vince's hometown roots and his heartfelt desire to play for the Texans impress you at least a little?

IMHO - Vince's desire to play in Houston is way beyond the money - after growing up in H-town myself, the pride Vince is showing his hometown means a lot to me. It's so rare these days to hear anyone gush about Houston -- kind of cool don't you think?
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if I thought it was the right thing for the Texans, then I'd be for the idea .... I don't think it's the right thing for the Texans, so I'm not .....


If the Texans had the 5th pick, would Vince tell the first four teams not to draft him so he could come home to Houston? I think not ...
 
chuckm said:
If the Texans had the 5th pick, would Vince tell the first four teams not to draft him so he could come home to Houston? I think not ...
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It's important to remember that San Diego really wanted Eli Manning and he had other ideas.

Have you ever checked out San Diego? Beautiful city, weather, women...

Who wouldn't want to play there? :shocked
 
Tale Gator said:
It's important to remember that San Diego really wanted Eli Manning and he had other ideas.

Have you ever checked out San Diego? Beautiful city, weather, women...

Who wouldn't want to play there? :shocked
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Manning's reasons had nothing to do with the city but with the management of the Chargers .... don't get me wrong, I admire the kid for wanting to play at home, but I don't think he'd want it nearly as much if the Texans were picking 4th, 5th, 6th, ....
 
Now some Vince Young stuff is Off liments, we cant come down on Vince, but Carr is fine bash all we want, call him a loser, soft, baby, lost all his wheels or what ever bullcrap you guys make up and I cant say that him dancing every time he is on TV is stupid, I understand now!
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you won't see me saying any of that stuff, i don't have anyhting against carr, i just think he doesn't have "IT" and vince is a once in a lifetime opportunity that can't be passed up.

really funny how you consider having fun and being loose as being immature.

its also really interesting as thing goes on, how the intial thought was that the guys on the vy side of the camp were the ones that were riding a high, and were thought to be weighing down the board with dumbness. but as the time goes by it seems to be almost the exact opposite. some of the most respected posters on this board are in the VY camp, while we have some reggie bush fan going around under the username "HOOK'EM" pimping bush in every thread he posts in and ignorantly dogging vincent young. then we have Hulk75 here, so desperate to find a flaw in vince young that he reaches with the immature take that makes 0 sense. don't even get me started on nunusguy. all i'm saying is i'm starting to notice a trend between those that are in the VY-camp and those in the Bush-camp, now of course there are exceptions.
 
Marcus said:
hehe . . .:rolleyes:

And you actually wonder why some are jaded and bitter. If some of you tsips would take the big S off your hero/God' s chest, and refer to him as good player who helped a team full of high school blue chippers, and loaded full of 1st round draft picks, win a national championship. Instead, we get this "put the whole team on his back, and do it all on his own" crap day in and day out.

Some of us are just plain sick of it.
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You can be sick all you want but the fact of the matter is with the help of the defense, dude did just that. If having the will to win doesn't mean anything then why didn't USC win; they have blue chippers and future college hall of famers up and down their lineup, I guess you want to tell me now that USC wasn't that good of a team. Why didn't Chris Simms win a National Championship at Texas? He had more talent and experience at every position when he QB'd Texas (Benson, Scaife, Roy, BJ, Sloan, Davis and Williams on the line, need I go on?) and he couldn't even bring the Big 12 Championship home. Don't act like it wasn't an amazing perfomance because it was, and if you want to act like it isn't, then its pure bias on your part...
 
travfrancis said:
you won't see me saying any of that stuff, i don't have anyhting against carr, i just think he doesn't have "IT" and vince is a once in a lifetime opportunity that can't be passed up.

really funny how you consider having fun and being loose as being immature.

its also really interesting as thing goes on, how the intial thought was that the guys on the vy side of the camp were the ones that were riding a high, and were thought to be weighing down the board with dumbness. but as the time goes by it seems to be almost the exact opposite. some of the most respected posters on this board are in the VY camp, while we have some reggie bush fan going around under the username "HOOK'EM" pimping bush in every thread he posts in and ignorantly dogging vincent young. then we have Hulk75 here, so desperate to find a flaw in vince young that he reaches with the immature take that makes 0 sense. don't even get me started on nunusguy. all i'm saying is i'm starting to notice a trend between those that are in the VY-camp and those in the Bush-camp, now of course there are exceptions.
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Couldn't agree with you more. First of all people have a right to their opinion but I find it HILARIOUS that people are calling VY immature without knowing a thing about him and because he dances and all yet people are called morons and name called..even told to leave the board..lol...if we don't just act like a drone, want Bush and Carr and just love the status quo and kiss tail. That reeks of hypocrisy. If you want to say don't take VY because we don't need him and you think Bush is a better fit...like me...then more power to you..just don't MAKE UP reasons not to like a guy that sound like third grade. ALL three of the top guys are class and quality guys and they all bring their own talents. I'll keep repeating it until I'm blue in the face but I'm not going to be a 35 year old guy who acts like a grade school kid because I want to draft someone else. I can want Bush and read stuff like below and still respect a man even though IMHO we don't need him. I don't even like Carr but am willing to give him a shot with a stud RB and a new coach. Doesn't mean I'm going to demean VY for putting himself in the position he is in by being a winner.

"Houston is fortunate to have three major-league sports teams plus other outstanding athletes. Despite their tremendous abilities and their substantial salaries, rarely do they give back to the community in proportion to their wealth--either in funds or time

Vince Young lost the Heisman, but one day last week he won the hearts of many patients at the Texas Children's Hospital. Without an obvious agent, with absolutely no fee, he talked to the children, signed autographs, took pictures and generally endeared himself forever.

The athletes of my generation were our idols and generally good role models. Houston's superstars need to take lessons form a superstar of tomorrow."

--Milton Nirken, M.D.
 
Tale Gator said:
There are no limits for men when it comes to football loyalty. :)



Bush, Young, or trade down ~ Kubiak & company will make the right choice.
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What in the world makes you think that?
 
I still defend Carr, but, at this point, I think Vince Young is the best choice. You have to remember that competing with Dallas for all those Texas fans is a big part of it all. They BETTER get serious about those ugly positions though. If they take Young (or Bush), that needs to then be dealt with UNTIL IT'S COMPLETELY SOLVED.
 
Tale Gator said:
Vince's desire to play in Houston is way beyond the money - after growing up in H-town myself, the pride Vince is showing his hometown means a lot to me. It's so rare these days to hear anyone gush about Houston -- kind of cool don't you think?
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Born and raised here myself and I love what I hear coming from him. I have a soft spot for Houston.

But make no mistake, IMHO he's the BPA and our QB play has been suspect sooooo it makes perfect sense to me to draft him.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
It'll be worse after for at least a month
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If Richard Justice and John McClain would drop their all out PR assault on this topic this would all be settling down. Everytime things settle down a bit - one of those mental giants feels the need to float a VY story. It's shameful. VY owes them money for the promotion job they are doing for him.

It doesn't matter how much the media or any of us want the Texans to pick a particular player. Interesting trade scenarious and suggestions from Madden 2006 capologists, or Fantasy League GMs won't make the front office take notice. Threats of holding your breath til you turn blue won't work either.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
our QB play has been suspect sooooo it makes perfect sense to me to draft him.
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So it's all Carr's fault? I'm not a Carr defender, but geeez - you have to admit the team never has given him the tools or coaching to succeed.
 
I can see where the guy is coming from. When I was a kid I and imagined playing in the big game it was always for the Astros or the Rockets or the Oi... that other team. Point being, if you had the opportunity to be drafted by your hometown wouldn't you just hope they took you? I know I would.

Dream come true.
 
LoneStarState said:
So it's all Carr's fault? I'm not a Carr defender, but geeez - you have to admit the team never has given him the tools or coaching to succeed.
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Well they never gave him Pace, Wahl, Rivera, Flozell Adams and what not but we did improve on the first team a well as give him some weaponary in season 2 and 3. Why this year we regress back to where we were in year 1 or worse. It's because of QB play. How do you explain 68 sax four years after a record setting 76 sax season. No, it's not all of his fault but c'mon, the majority of the blame for not doing better is his fault. Now I didn't say the team siucking was his fault, just that they could've done better if he'd had made better decisions throughout the season. Maybe finished 7-9 again, which in my eyes would've been an underachievement any ways.
 
texplayer2 said:
He might get his wish, if he goes to the Titans and we play him twice a year. I am sure a LB or two would Autograph it there for him at no charge.
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The LB's we have now wouldnt be able to catch him:superman:
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
Well they never gave him Pace, Wahl, Rivera, Flozell Adams and what not but we did improve on the first team a well as give him some weaponary in season 2 and 3. Why this year we regress back to where we were in year 1 or worse. It's because of QB play. How do you explain 68 sax four years after a record setting 76 sax season. No, it's not all of his fault but c'mon, the majority of the blame for not doing better is his fault. Now I didn't say the team siucking was his fault, just that they could've done better if he'd had made better decisions throughout the season. Maybe finished 7-9 again, which in my eyes would've been an underachievement any ways.
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what weapons are you talking about?

other factors going into the texans offensive demise this year:

-the OC switch after week two.
-domanick davis getting hurt AGAIN.
-installing victor riley at LT.
-little to no quality depth at C/G/T.
-no viable number two WR option for carr.
-almost zero production from the TE position.

while carr is not without fault, i think the above decisons have hurt the team on the offensive side of the ball more than D. Carr did.
 
dirty steve said:
other factors going into the texans offensive demise this year:

-the OC switch after week two.
-domanick davis getting hurt AGAIN.
-installing victor riley at LT.
-little to no quality depth at C/G/T.
-no viable number two WR option for carr.
-almost zero production from the TE position.

while carr is not without fault, i think the above decisons have hurt the team on the offensive side of the ball more than D. Carr did.
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I can agree w/ that. I think the better question is, if all that you mentioned were corrected, would Carr be able to lead a top-notch offense? Would he be great or average?

I think he'll always be average, but that's JMO.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Mine too. I am for drafting Bush or trading down for D help but I, in no way, think it is obvious that VY will take 3 years. Everyone thinks this is a given. If that was the case people like Roethlisberger would not have stepped in Day 1.Nor would Brady his second year. And don't try to tell me they are different because no one thought they were the best QBs out there, especially with Brady going in the 6th round. Some guys have it and some guys don't. You can only guess on who will make it happen. Assuming that every guy takes 3-4 years is a farce considering that the span of most NFL careers is 3.
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It takes the right situation. Brady and Roeth went to teams that were that close already. If you notice they didn't go 1st in the draft to an expansion team.
 
texplayer2 said:
It takes the right situation. Brady and Roeth went to teams that were that close already. If you notice they didn't go 1st in the draft to an expansion team.
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The Pats didn't look anywhere close to winning much before Drew got clobbered on the sideline. I believe they were winless (check on that, no Pats fan here), but they certainly had some pieces in place, and as much as I hate to say it...the QB change alone propelled that team to the post-season (tuck rule all the way after that...) Brady being efficient in the offense kept the defense off the field, teams got behind and had to catch up, the D, which was not phenomenal '01 Ravens quality, was able to force picks and fumbles. Combine that with good special teams (TXNs got that!) and it adds up to playoff apperences and wins. I think the same thing goes for Ben, although he did have a top-rated D and remarkable running game, but I still think it is undeniable that he is a gamer, a confident and capable player. You could not simply plug any QB into that offense and have them go 24-6 (or whatever it is)over two years...
 
actually the pats were a good team. They were a few years removed from a superbowl appearance. I'm not saying Tom didn't give them a spark, because he did, but being drafted so low he went to a team that was ready to compete and also went to a very weak division at the time, he fell in a great situation.

The same goes for Big Ben, he also fell to a very solid Superbowl contending team. He had the luxury of going to a team that had a solid Oline, Dline, lbs, rbs, secondary, and a solid group of wrs. Big Ben is a solid qb, which is why he is having so much success. If you put a good QB on a solid team he is going to get wins.

People often ask why #1 ovrl. QBs having trouble succeeding, its because they go to crappy teams.
 
I've calmed my rhetoric about the draft because it seems I made a bunch of people mad. But, personally don't understand why the Texans and some of their fans think David Carr could do anything for us. By the end of four years there should be no question in anyone’s mind about the quarterback position. The best anyone, even Carr supporters, can say is "David has allot of potential." Does anyone see David out campaigning for his job? I've seen a little bit, but not that much.

We have the opportunity to draft a real good native son, who want to be here and is campaigning real hard to be a Texan. I say “real good”, because that’s all we know about Vince Young. Yes, there are allot of questions about Vince that will have to be answered in the coming years. But, he has allot of potential and has not had four years of beatings (200 sacks). David showed last year that he is damaged goods; let him go to another team and start over. It would probably be the best thing for both sides.

I hire and fire subcontractors all the time. The quality that appears to set the difference between the subs that stay employed and subs that don't is passion. Who has passion? David or Vince? The answer is clear - Vince.

:fans:
 
I do not know what is worse, the entitlement like excuses for Carr's lack of performance and pending extension or the ridiculous ways that people try to diminish VY's performance in his decorated career.

In my world we have neither next year, but the Carr lovers are reminiscient of the politics of personal destruction that are championed by ideological extremists.
 
Hulk75 said:
Do you think that that had to do with the other 50+ guy on the team? The Coaches the scheme? Excuses or the Truth.
I personaly have never seen one person on a TEAM be attacked like this.

I hear people say that Dom was not a good coach, his coaching staff was a joke, News casters making fun of our plays and how Vanilla our Offense was on national TV. But Carr should still play like a ProBowler and take us to the Playoffs. Lot of sense being made around here every day.
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If there were 50+ other guys getting paid this type of jack then I would not be on Carr, but the truth is he gets paid the most on the team and does not perform on par with the amount we pay him.

Let me ask you this. Knowing what you know about Carr in these four years and we had the chance to draft him #1 again, would you? Have you seen enough where it would be a no brainer that this is the guy?
 
Carr Bomb said:
The same goes for Big Ben, he also fell to a very solid Superbowl contending team. He had the luxury of going to a team that had a solid Oline, Dline, lbs, rbs, secondary, and a solid group of wrs. Big Ben is a solid qb, which is why he is having so much success. If you put a good QB on a solid team he is going to get wins.
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The Steelers were 6-10 (that's called a losing season folks) the year before Ben got there and when he was injured this year the Steelers struggled. Ben took them to 15-1 his first year and a Super Bowl his second year. I don't know why people think it's everyone but Ben. Pittsburgh hasn't won a Super Bowl in 24 years.
 
Fiddy said:
backs dont have that long of shelf-life. Bush already has the durability question and if he never answers it, are we renting him for 7 years???
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7 years would be good. Most running backs only last 5 years.

On the other hand, how many years did the Oilers/Titans get out of Bruce Matthews?
 
Hulk75 said:
And Vinny it was not as hard for Ben as it was for Carr the last couple of years.
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I know, I know...Carr isn't to be criticized around you. I only talked of Ben you know....I never mentioned your Man.
 
Hulk75 said:
Yes, I have. Heres my point if he is not the guy then I am sure we will draft Vince and not pick up Carrs option, Okay.
But seeing all the coaches and GM and owner stick up for Carr makes me think that they know more then you do.
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That seems like a heart felt answer and therefore cannot disagree.
 
Vinny said:
The Steelers were 6-10 (that's called a losing season folks) the year before Ben got there and when he was injured this year the Steelers struggled. Ben took them to 15-1 his first year and a Super Bowl his second year. I don't know why people think it's everyone but Ben. Pittsburgh hasn't won a Super Bowl in 24 years.
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I admit, Big Ben is a solid QB. Doesn't force a lot of stuff, plays within his means. But at the same time, Jauron wasn't there to work with Pitt's D to make them the dominant force they have been the past couple years when they did go 6-10. Plus, their secondary was riddled with injuries that year.

By the way Vinny, nice to see you man. I haven't seen you lately.
 
Hulk75 said:
Yes, I have. Heres my point if he is not the guy then I am sure we will draft Vince and not pick up Carrs option, Okay.
But seeing all the coaches and GM and owner stick up for Carr makes me think that they know more then you do.
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But these guys are human. It could be that one of those guys loves Carr so much (on a personal level) that he begs for people to tell him that Carr is going to be great and that another of the guys just doesn't want to be wrong.

As for the coaches, I really don't know what their opinions are. I mean Kubiak hasn't really said anything to tell me that he really "believes" in David Carr. But it would be hard for him to believe in a player that he hasn't really spent time with yet.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
By the way Vinny, nice to see you man. I haven't seen you lately.
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I'm here lurking...I'm just staying out of this silly stuff. I contribute best during the season relaying what I see. Most of the stuff I see on the board at this point is spin and posturing and propaganda pimping favorite players....forget reality...I gotta spin it up.

I don't do well with that kind of post so I'm not participating much right now.
 
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