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I Know it's too early.. But Davis vs Morency

DD is a good, solid back. He is not a "complete back". He is extremely suspect as a blocker. He isn't given many opportunities to do so in Palmer's protection scheme. DD rarely stays in to block. He is releasing into routes immediately. He needs to stay in and help out more...again, this is more Palmer than DD, however I've got to think part of Palmer's rationale is that if Dominick can't block, then we have to release him into pattern.

Morency is by all accounts, the same type of back. If he gets 10-15 carries to go along with DD's 20-25, that's a bunch of running between friends! The NFL is not a league of three yards and a cloud of dust. Not taking advantage of the passing-friendly rules seems to be important to most NFL teams.
 
coachdent said:
DD is a good, solid back. He is not a "complete back". He is extremely suspect as a blocker.
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I've seen Davis pick up blitzers on many occasions. And during blitz pickup drills in camp, Domanick is as good as any back the Texans have. I've never seen him back down.

The Texans were getting beat by straight 4 man rushes in the 2nd half of '04. Teams weren't blitzing Carr, it wasn't necessary. Davis is sent out of the backfield because he's a good matchup against the oppositions' LBs. DD was 2nd in the NFL among backs in receptions & receiving yards. The problem with the pass protection is the same as it has been since the the very 1st game...the o-linemen aren't blocking the guys in front of them. I don't see how keeping a RB in on a four man rush will solve the Texans protection woes.
 
Davis doesn't do much more than chip block, and keeping a back into block is something most teams do more than Palmer tends to do it (rarely).
 
outofhnd said:
If DD doesnt have breakaway speed then why was has he been a return man? He was in college and was brought in to possibly be a return man on special teams and a backup RB, until he did extremely well.
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Look no further than our return man JJ Moses. I'm sure no one here would say he has breakaway speed. Look who we had signed when he won the starting job. Thats why he became the starter.
 
Vinny said:
...keeping a back into block is something most teams do more than Palmer tends to do it (rarely).
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New England, Indy, & Green Bay have some of the best pass protection in the league. And their backs catch plenty of balls out of the backfield. That can't be the Texans' solution to the pass blocking woes.

I know it can't be because Casserly said on the radio prior to the draft that Davis would be the 2nd leading receiver on the team regardless of whom they drafted. Davis as a receiver is one of the things that actually works in the Texan offense. Why take that away?
 
Lucky said:
New England, Indy, & Green Bay have some of the best pass protection in the league. And their backs catch plenty of balls out of the backfield. That can't be the Texans' solution to the pass blocking woes.

I know it can't be because Casserly said on the radio prior to the draft that Davis would be the 2nd leading receiver on the team regardless of whom they drafted. Davis as a receiver is one of the things that actually works in the Texan offense. Why take that away?
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It works to a certain degree but we are not exactly an offensive juggernaut. I think we have scored 30 points or more 2 times going on 4 years now. I don't think that we should be so predictable as to send him out every single time he is on the field. Mixing it up a bit would probably keep his touches close to the same but it would be nice if opposing pass rushers worried about more than just the lineman in their grill when they rushed us.
 
Im thinkin davis has lost a step or two..or atleast it looked like it last season...just not the drive that I saw in him before ya know?
 
Texans_2008 said:
Im thinkin davis has lost a step or two..or atleast it looked like it last season...just not the drive that I saw in him before ya know?
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I don't know if I would say lost a step or two (that's a term generaly used in getting slower speed wise), if anything he may have gotten a little faster. Now hesetant, or lost at times would be a fair anology of the situation. He was definately more hesetant after those few fumbles he had at the beginning of the season. But towards the end of the season he was really lighting it up, although a lot of his runs were being called back because of holding penalties. To me, the thing that killed the Texans more than anything else in the second half of the season was the penelties. I remember the offensive line had a lot of penelties at key times of the games. I also remember Bruener getting about a 60 yard touchdown run by Davis called back during the Indianapolis game for holding.
 
Davis has produced in the NFL and will do so again this year. Why would you be so high on a rookie who has never played a down in the NFL?
 
Texan Dave said:
Now hesetant, or lost at times would be a fair anology of the situation. He was definately more hesetant after those few fumbles he had at the beginning of the season.
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Or a fair analogy might be that the Texans' OL looked like a rugby scrum pile during the beginning of the season--run sideways along the line of scrimmage and then fall in place. Did anyone else notice that as the season progressed and the running game became more effective, the OL was taking less extreme angles off the snap? At the beginning of the season the "holes" created by the OL would have made Speedy Gonzales pause. The 1st 8 games of the upcoming season will be very interesting in a lot of ways.
 
Vinny said:
I think if you are gonna take the time to type wit.....why not add an 'h'? Chat language is all cool and stuff and I use it...but it makes reading posts...er, nevermind.

DD will start at first...get nicked up and run poorly like he always does when nicked up, Morency comes in, and never looks back.


Word, crunk, and all of dat, wit shizzle-dizzle
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Agreed .

I have seen Morency play a few times as well and I like his style . I can definately see him taking over if DD gets off to another slow start . Wearing that # 34 might be an advantage too . :cool:
 
Is looked like DD was running like one of the top five backs in the league at the end of last year. I remember thinking in preseason last year he could be a pro bowler but his slow start/minor injuries took the wind out of the sails. I'm in the camp that holds their breath every time he gets the ball so Morency was an excellent pick in that regard. I just think if DD stays healthy and the o-line comes together like it was the second half of the year he could have a monster year. It's nice to know there's a backup eager to prove himself and I enjoyed seeing Wells doing well when he had the chance (Chiefs/Titans). Overall RB is the least of the Texans worries I say put Mathis in the backfield five times a game. :spot:
 
Morency MAY have a chance of getting DDs job, but I don't see it unless DD gets hurt, which is likely based on history. His hands and blitz pick up will be key for him. If he can do both well, then he has a shot. If not.........?
 
I think DD will have the best season of his career seeing that he finally has some heat on his backside he'll start the season with a chip on his shoulder. :hyper:
 
DD did not have his lead blocker Moran Norris at the beggining of last year along with the entire Texans line learning each other, new positions, and a new blocking system. He surely became frustrated, as any of us would, and tried to do to much, had some costly fumbles and untimely injuries; but ultimately he returned to form to have 1000 yards and double digit rushing touchdowns. Therefore I fully predict, especially with Morency pushing him, that D. Davis will produce nicely. Should DD get hurt, I fully expect Morency to come in and not miss a beat, ala the Chiefs running game, and that is why he was such a great pick in the draft. Now the Texans don't have to rely on J. Wells or Tony Hollings.
 
I think drafting morency must be a sign to DD that either he needs to come to the table and sign an extension and not ask for too much money.

I thought drafting morency in the 3rd round was dumb as it was with us having much more pressing issues than a rb controversy. mind you he is 25!

Let's face it he wont be around long regardless. I think he was a reach at best at that age. I mean i dont want to put him in the same category as the FSU QB when he came out that was 70 yrs old but a RB???? They avg. 5 years at best anyway if that long.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
but a RB???? They avg. 5 years at best anyway if that long.
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The reason that they usually last only 5 years is because of the pounding that they take on every play. Now if a RB is on the bench or playing baseball his body is not taking a beating. At running back his age of 25 is not a problem. Like you said the average back only last 5 years so he will be 30 and that is not a problem.
 
Human Highlight Reel said:
DD has proven to be sort of injury prone and once he gets injuried again Morency is gonna step in and do such a good job that we could use Davis as trade bait for maybe a 1st or 2nd round next year.. so we oculd have the RB we've been waiting for and an extra 1st or 2nd rounder next year.. that's all I'm saying..
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How are you gonna use an "injury prone" player as trade bait for a 1st or 2nd?
I'm not the biggest DD fan. I think he needs to learn the difference between pain and injury. If it hurts, but ya can't damage it more by playing, ya play!!!
Take the shot and go do your job. DD has (had?) Emmitt Smith written/wrote all over him after 2003. He just hasn't shown the heart to do what it takes. He could be one of the greatest backs to ever play if he could forget the nicks and minor stuff. a high pain threshhold is a part of the game. If DD continues to show it, he needs to be the 3rd down back and make way for a workhorse. Check out the NFL's all-time top rushers and they are remarkably similar to DD in build. Main difference, you ask??? HEART!!!! You gaoota have the want-to and the try to succeed in the NFL. RB in the NFL is a lot like BR in the PBR!
 
Something that everyone seems to keep forgeting about all this injury stuff, the training staff usualy has a greater say so than the player on weather or not he plays. Simply put, no matter how bad the player wants to play, if it's not a crutial game, meaning a game that will ultimately decide weather or not a team makes the playoffs or a playoff game, the coaching and training staff would rather not take a chance on making an injury worse. If you know you're most likely not going to the playoffs, protect your investment. You didn't see T.O. play untill the superbowl last year, sure he could've played earlier, but they didn't need him, they went ahead and let him sit for a couple of weeks and made sure they had him to play against NE. Now the Eagles had been in a win or die situation on the last game of the season last year, I bet you would've seen T.O. on the feild for game 16.
 
Texan Dave said:
You didn't see T.O. play untill the superbowl last year, sure he could've played earlier, but they didn't need him, they went ahead and let him sit for a couple of weeks and made sure they had him to play against NE. Now the Eagles had been in a win or die situation on the last game of the season last year, I bet you would've seen T.O. on the feild for game 16.
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lol: lol: lol:

Dude he had a broken leg. He was lucky the doctors let him play for the Superbowl. This is the total BS.

lol:
 
ojthecat said:
lol: lol: lol:

Dude he had a broken leg. He was lucky the doctors let him play for the Superbowl. This is the total BS.

lol:
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The fact is that you don't know what he could've done at week 16, judging from the way he played in the superbowl.
 
With the cast he had on I doubt he would have been much of anything during the last few games of the regular season. Week 16 to Superbowl was a month or more in between.
 
Texan Dave said:
The fact is that you don't know what he could've done at week 16, judging from the way he played in the superbowl.
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He couldn't walk at week 16. You are ignoring the medical facts. Yes he played well in the superbowl which is 5 weeks from week 16. :brickwall
 
Oh, sorry, I didn't realise he was still in a cast at week 16. Broken leg doesn't always translate into what is generaly though of with that statement, the media has it's way of making things sound worse than they actualy are. I did know though that when the Eagles didn't put him on IR, that they had planed on him comming back.
 
DocBar said:
How are you gonna use an "injury prone" player as trade bait for a 1st or 2nd?
I'm not the biggest DD fan. I think he needs to learn the difference between pain and injury. If it hurts, but ya can't damage it more by playing, ya play!!!
Take the shot and go do your job. DD has (had?) Emmitt Smith written/wrote all over him after 2003. He just hasn't shown the heart to do what it takes. He could be one of the greatest backs to ever play if he could forget the nicks and minor stuff. a high pain threshhold is a part of the game. If DD continues to show it, he needs to be the 3rd down back and make way for a workhorse. Check out the NFL's all-time top rushers and they are remarkably similar to DD in build. Main difference, you ask??? HEART!!!! You gaoota have the want-to and the try to succeed in the NFL. RB in the NFL is a lot like BR in the PBR!
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Oh and lets not forget that emmit smith had one of the best offensive lines in NFl history come on man the dallas cowboys were the orgin of 300lb + lineman Davis has never had anything close to the top O Line........which means :hmmm: hmmmmm you can't really compare them can you :goodnight
 
infantrycak said:
Or a fair analogy might be that the Texans' OL looked like a rugby scrum pile during the beginning of the season--run sideways along the line of scrimmage and then fall in place. Did anyone else notice that as the season progressed and the running game became more effective, the OL was taking less extreme angles off the snap? At the beginning of the season the "holes" created by the OL would have made Speedy Gonzales pause. The 1st 8 games of the upcoming season will be very interesting in a lot of ways.
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Agreed. If the line comes around, we got...possiblities.

Hey I don't care which one wins the starting job, As long as DD is fresh in November and December. DD is the consumate mudder. Save the hoss for money time. I would love to see
Morency earn 12-15 snaps a game. As disappointed as I was with the first round, I thought we did very well with VM. I won't give up on Hollings untill they cut him.
 
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I though Hollings looked very good in the beginning of the season... he has the wheels and he is bigger than DD. I wonder if they play him again in the preseason to trade him or Wells... although Wells is probably got a job in the red zone.

:) :soapbox:
 
Hollings gets tackled to easily. Wells contributes more in other areas and is a serviceable back up should one of the two ahead of him go down. Wells is also the ultimate teammate.
 
I like Hollings, he was very explosive when he got his few touches. I don't think he is going anywhere if he can stay healthy.
 
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