I don't get why we need Bush at all.

[Wolf]

I don't understand the logic that if VY were to get drafted that he would play this season. at WR? at RB at QB?

IF VY were to get drafted by the Texans then why did the Texans re-sign Carr to that 3 year deal? why did they get Rosenfels in FA? with Ragone as #3..

I'd be shocked if VY is named #1 overall by the Texans and if he is that good to move up the qb depth chart of the Texans then the front office moves of signing /re-signing the QB's are headscratchers

 

[Wolf]

Awesome. Maybe the team can win the #1 every year. I know I like cheering for a lousy record in order to land high draft picks.

I'd rather see the team avoid drafting a guy just because he's from this city. I can think of no worse reason than that. And at the end of the day, that's all you have to offer as to why this team should pick Young. I could care less where he is from. He's going to be a project in the pros, anyone paying any attention can see that. If this team is going to win anytime soon it should forget about trying to placate homerific fans worried about drafting the local boy made good. Failure to say no to fans when they are screaming for a bad move is step 1 in the downfall of any franchise.

exactly

 

[thunderkyss]

That must be why he isnt even the highest rated QB in the draft. He is so good he could possibly fall out of the top ten.

McNabb wasn't the highest rated QB......... Culpepper fell out of the top 10.... I don't think I understand what you are trying to say. Being picked #1 doesn't mean that you're the best player at your position, or the best player in the draft. It simply means a particular team likes what you bring to the table, and are willing to take a chance on you. Looking back, 4 years or so(except in David Carr's case) you'll be able to see who really was the best player.

I'd rather see the team avoid drafting a guy just because he's from this city. I can think of no worse reason than that. And at the end of the day, that's all you have to offer as to why this team should pick Young. I could care less where he is from. He's going to be a project in the pros, anyone paying any attention can see that. If this team is going to win anytime soon it should forget about trying to placate homerific fans worried about drafting the local boy made good. Failure to say no to fans when they are screaming for a bad move is step 1 in the downfall of any franchise.

If that's all you see....... then yeah. I guess I can understand your point. IMHO, I think Vince Could step in, from Day one in Denver(which we may very well resemble in 2006, 2007), Atlanta(of Course), New Orleans, Minnesota, Tennessee, Philadelphia, Houston, Detroit, SanDiego, SanFrancisco, Green Bay & any other team that either have mobile Quarterbacks, and moving the Quarterback is part of the game plan. Other teams included in this list, are team with new Head Coaches, new offensive systems... and/or rookie Quarterbacks.

Vince has shown, imho, that he will put in the work that is required, for him to be ready. He might not win his opener, but it won't take 10 games before he'll throw his first touchdown against a 2-14 team. I doubt very seriously, that any team he is on, can go 2-14.... & if it did, he won't be any worse, than the 1-15 Aikman(not that he is anything like Aikman but Troy wasn't considered a project, and they finished 1-15).

 

[Errant Hothy]

Is Tim Couch a better QB than McNabb?? Is he better than Culpepper?? You do know he was "rated" Higher than those two right??

I never said Leinart was better, just that if QB is such a BIG need why not draft a QB who could start right away. The QB is this draft cloesest to being NFL ready is Leinart, both Young and Cutler need atleast a year of practice and bench time before they are ready to start.

As for the Couch comparisians, yes I know he was rated higher...contray to popular belief I'm not a child. And if I was Cleveland I probaly would have made the same pick. Culpepper was probaly a bigger risk then McNair and VY, and there was a reason McNaab got boo'ed by th ePhilly faithful (besides the fact that they boo everybody). And at the time the idea a running and passing QB in the NFL was still thought of as not possible, since we are talking pre-Vick.

 

[thunderkyss]

I never said Leinart was better, just that if QB is such a BIG need why not draft a QB who could start right away. The QB is this draft cloesest to being NFL ready is Leinart, both Young and Cutler need atleast a year of practice and bench time before they are ready to start.

As for the Couch comparisians, yes I know he was rated higher...contray to popular belief I'm not a child. And if I was Cleveland I probaly would have made the same pick. Culpepper was probaly a bigger risk then McNair and VY, and there was a reason McNaab got boo'ed by th ePhilly faithful (besides the fact that they boo everybody). And at the time the idea a running and passing QB in the NFL was still thought of as not possible, since we are talking pre-Vick.

I believe McNabb getting Booed, and Mike Ditka becoming the laughing stock of the NFL are more closely related than those boos and the beliefe of running QBs....... they had Randall Cunningham for a while.

I think Vince is Perfect for the Texans..... I'd be happy, satisfied with Cutler, or even Omar. I think it is reasonable to believe they can be successful in the NFL...... If I gave David Carr $8 mill this year(which I personally never would have done) i won't be signing a Veteran ex-starter as a back-up, and I'm not going to Draft the most NFL ready QB, especially if he looks like David Carr with a weaker arm.

 

[Errant Hothy]

I believe McNabb getting Booed, and Mike Ditka becoming the laughing stock of the NFL are more closely related than those boos and the beliefe of running QBs....... they had Randall Cunningham for a while.

I think Vince is Perfect for the Texans..... I'd be happy, satisfied with Cutler, or even Omar. I think it is reasonable to believe they can be successful in the NFL...... If I gave David Carr $8 mill this year(which I personally never would have done) i won't be signing a Veteran ex-starter as a back-up, and I'm not going to Draft the most NFL ready QB, especially if he looks like David Carr with a weaker arm.

The question wasn't who is the best QB, but rather that if QB is a need for the Texans (I beleive it isn't) then we not take teh QB who could fill that need much sooner then later. And that QB is not VY, who will need atleast 1 season before he is ready to start. Carr needed that season to, as do nearly all college QBs. But when we compare teh top 3 Qbs in this draft the one that is most NFL ready is Leinart, simply because he is the one who played in the most NFL like offense in college. DO I think he will be the best QB from this class? Probaly not. DO I think he'll be the one to be succesful first? Yes, I do.

 

[David's Busted Carr]

Because if you have the opportunity to take THE BEST college player in the draft, you TAKE HIM.

Ask the New Jersey Nets how Sam Bowie worked out for them since they passed on Michael Jordan b/c the "didn't need a guard".

And besides, the front office is doing a great job filling in the holes in FA so they can draft the BEST AVAILABLE player in each round. That is a much smarter way to draft. Rather than take a subpar player from a specific "need" position, take the best available player.

 

[Errant Hothy]

Because if you have the opportunity to take THE BEST college player in the draft, you TAKE HIM.

Ask the New Jersey Nets how Sam Bowie worked out for them since they passed on Michael Jordan b/c the "didn't need a guard".

And besides, the front office is doing a great job filling in the holes in FA so they can draft the BEST AVAILABLE player in each round. That is a much smarter way to draft. Rather than take a subpar player from a specific "need" position, take the best available player.

First, don't forgot Houston also passed on MJ to draft soem no-name named Hakeem, you know seeing as how they didn't need a gaurd and all.

The premise is not if VY/RB is the best player in teh draft, but rather that somebody thinks that QB is a need, and a big one; and my repsonse is that if QB is such a need why not address the need with a player who can play sooner rather then later.

Tha is all.

 

[jacquescas]

Ask the New Jersey Nets how Sam Bowie worked out for them since they passed on Michael Jordan b/c the "didn't need a guard".

By the way it wasn't the New Jersey Nets who passed on Michael Jordan it was the Portland Trailblazers. The Nets had the 17th pick in that draft (1984) and selected Jeff Turner out of Vanderbuilt.

 

[jacquescas]

First, don't forgot Houston also passed on MJ to draft soem no-name named Hakeem, you know seeing as how they didn't need a gaurd and all.

The premise is not if VY/RB is the best player in teh draft, but rather that somebody thinks that QB is a need, and a big one; and my repsonse is that if QB is such a need why not address the need with a player who can play sooner rather then later.

Tha is all.

Hakeem was not a no name when he was drafted 1st overall. He was the center of a final four team.

 

[Mike Kerns]

I would say that I will be glad when the draft is over & we don't have to hear about V. Young anymore. BUt I realize that no matter where Vince goes, Carr will be forever compared to what VInce does. This isn't going away for awhile. But, stop trashing Reggie simply because you like Vince more. That is ridiculous.

 

[Errant Hothy]

Hakeem was not a no name when he was drafted 1st overall. He was the center of a final four team.

It was/is called sarcasm.

It's also my standard reponse to the stupid MJ/Bowie comments I keep hearing; espically when people leave Hakeem out of the comparissons.

 

[Porky]

Great post whisky, but it is about 8 months old! That was back before Vince was even in the mix. Soryy, but keep dreaming, Reggie Bush, 4.5 SSLLOOWWW for a RB Blazing for a QB. And with the fourth pick, the Houston Texans select Vince Young, QB University of Texas!

Change the P to a D, and that's what I think of your take.

 

[bad]

...You Pro-Bush guys are *****s! He is to small, to slow, and he wont last 4 games before he gets hurt.

I keep hearing this "Bush is too slow" comment and I wonder just what is in the kool-aid around here.

Reggie Bush is slow much in the same way that Yao Ming is short.

 

[thunderkyss]

First, don't forgot Houston also passed on MJ to draft soem no-name named Hakeem, you know seeing as how they didn't need a gaurd and all.

The premise is not if VY/RB is the best player in teh draft, but rather that somebody thinks that QB is a need, and a big one; and my repsonse is that if QB is such a need why not address the need with a player who can play sooner rather then later.

Tha is all.

My take, is that I think Vince is a better QB in the way McNabb is better than Couch....... I would pick Mcnabb all day long over Couch.

now..... this is, if I had interviewed both QBs as Kubiak would do before making such a decision. It should be a lopsided interview, being able to spend months with David, in the gym, on the field, and in the film room, compared to the time he'll spend with Vince.

Vince will be coming to Houston, to work out with Kubiak..... after that, if he still decides to draft Reggie, I'll have no problems whatsoever.

 

[Haams]

Maybe it is because everybody else understands the potential of having a player such as Bush on the team.To many possiblities to mention. With VY he has to prove he can read defenses while under center or he will have a very short career.

And, Bush has to prove... he can take a hit from an NFL defender, run between the tackles, and turn the corner against faster D's than anything he's faced.

Bush is in no way a lock to be a great NFL player, he is surrounded by question marks. He could be the next Marshall Faulk, he could have his tiny body crushed in the pre-season and never walk again.

Let's just stay realistic - what's up with all this bpa talk, in my opinion Reggie was the third best player on his ncaa team, and the second best RB. I would be more excited over White. Back to the bpa, have you seen Vince play? He did more in both Rose Bowl performances and against OSU than Reggie has ever done. Reggie has never been asked to demonstrate the same leadership or carry a team like Vince has. He came out and showed the nation he was the best running QB the ncaa had ever seen - people said he couldn't throw. He came out and led the nation in passing efficiency - people said he couldn't beat USC. They announced the heisman winner and Vince said I will come out on January 4th and show the world who the best player is. I challenge you to show me a performance on any level that topped that one.

I'm sorry but Reggie being the bpa is crap to me. #1 - his stats don't back that up. #2 - you're comparing a guy who will get 10-15 carries to a guy who will touch the ball every snap. Who does the D have to react to more. You think Vick can change a game? Wait untill you see a much bigger more athletic Vick, or VY.

 

[El Amigo Invisible]

I think White looks more like an NFL player than Reggie. I think Reggie is a wonderful player(Mcneil is pretty good also).I do not know why we need him either.If Vince is gonna slip to the second round, I say draft Duff or Hawk and wait . We need guys on Defense so bad and these FA signing are good but there is something missing.

 

[swtbound07]

I would say that I will be glad when the draft is over & we don't have to hear about V. Young anymore. BUt I realize that no matter where Vince goes, Carr will be forever compared to what VInce does. This isn't going away for awhile. But, stop trashing Reggie simply because you like Vince more. That is ridiculous.

stop trashing vince young because your heart is set on reggie. Door swings both ways. If Vince becomes a Texan, you will be hearing about him forever

 

[Bubbajwp]

REG-GIE BUST! REG-GIE BUST! get off him people

Hmmm

 

[DominickDavisFan76]

Yo I had another thread but it got removed, but anyway, do u think that the texans will still keep Reggie at #1 even after all our FA signings, what my real question is

Will we still take Reggie Bush, after just signing 3 more ppl
(Kenneth Pettway, Zeke Moreno, N.D. Kalu)

For me I would say that he still will be because we have worked on everything except for RB.

 

[Bubbajwp]

We filled most of our needs in FA so we can draft BPA. Which is RB.

 

[Erratic Assassin]

Our team has so many holes. We have need at almost EVERY position, and we're going to draft a running back? Which is our ONLY strong part?

WR, OL, QB, TE, DL, LB, S, CB All of these positon are our needs, and running back is definitely not our need!

Running back is not our problem.

We've said since day one that we were going to build this team through the draft (like the Jaguars) rather than building through free agency (like the Panthers). If we're never going to address our needs in the draft, when are we ever going to address them?

If we had the 3rd-7th pick we'd draft for need (Ferguson, Williams, etc.), but we were cursed with the #1 overall pick and no one has the balls to pass on the "next Gayle Sayers" because the hype machine is in full effect.

 

[texplayer2]

Running back is not our problem.

We've said since day one that we were going to build this team through the draft (like the Jaguars) rather than building through free agency (like the Panthers). If we're never going to address our needs in the draft, when are we ever going to address them?

If we had the 3rd-7th pick we'd draft for need (Ferguson, Williams, etc.), but we were cursed with the #1 overall pick and no one has the balls to pass on the "next Gayle Sayers" because the hype machine is in full effect.

I think the new staff has brought their own ideas about how they will build the team. We are getting a lot of help in free agency and the draft can be used to get depth. So much has changed since the end of last year, I don't know how anyone will know what our problems are until training camp.
Picking at the top is not a curse, it gives the team several good options that we don't have to wait and see if they will be availible. We might actually get to pick 3-4 times the first day this year! A 2-14 season is behind us and hopefully was a dip in the road to the play-offs.

 

[thunderkyss]

I don't know where this FA or Draft thing came from. To be successful, you have to be adept at managing both. If you were lucky like the Jags, and got:
1)Solid players at all positions, &
2) a coach who schemes to take advantage of his teams strenghts,

then you can be pretty quite in Free Agency, and build a strong team through the Draft. It might take you a while to get to were you're going, but if you stay true to the course, you'll get there.

Both the Jaguars, and the Panthers got to the Divisional Championship games with FAs, not rookies.

FAs are the fix for your team today....... the draft is for the future.....

We've got a new starting TE, C, FB, WR(soon), RB(maybe)........... that's half your offense right there. Then we have a new starting MLB, RDE, FS(hopefully) and LDE, WILL, & SAM, Will all be new to those positions. Both Defensive Tackles are going to be playing with different responsibilities also. That's eight positions on Defense. You can't fill them all with Rookies.

What I really like about what Kubiak has done, is that some of these positions, he's filled with young'ns, some with vets.... TE, FB, WR, DE all with 4 years or less.....

and on Defense, he's going to stop the run..... If you're going to be a championship team, you've got to do two things.
1) Run the ball
I think we've got that covered....... one way or the other.
2) Stop the Run
Yet to be seen, but I like what we're seeing so far.

 

[Haams]

We filled most of our needs in FA so we can draft BPA. Which is RB.

Support this. I find it funny that so many people are stating this as fact. I say Reggie was an exceptional college player, and Vince was better. I only say this because:

1: Vince's best game was better than Reggie's
2: Vince's best season was better than Reggie's
3: Vince showed more leadership
4: Vince beat Reggie
5: Vince was the focal point of his team, Reggie was a side dish

To consider in the NFL:

1: The return game is out for Reggie, so a lot of yards from college are gone
2: He's small, he could make it, but it's not common
3: He's not going to get many carries, and I find it hard to believe he will force the defense to alter just by standing on the field
4: He wasn't fast enough to turn the corner on UT, how will he do it at the next level.
5: If Fresno State was in the AFC, he would be a good pick

 

[Hawg]

Support this. I find it funny that so many people are stating this as fact. I say Reggie was an exceptional college player, and Vince was better. I only say this because:

1: Vince's best game was better than Reggie's
2: Vince's best season was better than Reggie's
3: Vince showed more leadership
4: Vince beat Reggie
5: Vince was the focal point of his team, Reggie was a side dish

To consider in the NFL:

1: The return game is out for Reggie, so a lot of yards from college are gone
2: He's small, he could make it, but it's not common
3: He's not going to get many carries, and I find it hard to believe he will force the defense to alter just by standing on the field
4: He wasn't fast enough to turn the corner on UT, how will he do it at the next level.
5: If Fresno State was in the AFC, he would be a good pick

NOT FAST ENOUGH TO TURN THE CORNER. Did you even see the National Championship game. He was running around that corner. The kid had 165 yards or more on offense. That says alot to me about his game. Because that defense was a powerhouse. Reggie is the man.

 

[Errant Hothy]

4: He wasn't fast enough to turn the corner on UT, how will he do it at the next level.

Ummmm....I seem to recall a 26 yard TD run where Reggie turned the corner then vanished against the vaunted UT defense, or was I dreaming. Becasue I recall him gaining the edge then out running everybody, Huff and Griffin included, to the endzone.

But then again I forgot UT won teh Rose Bowl 347-0, with VY sorcing all of teh points, even FG and PATs.

 

[Hawg]

Ummmm....I seem to recall a 26 yard TD run where Reggie turned the corner then vanished against the vaunted UT defense, or was I dreaming. Becasue I recall him gaining the edge then out running everybody, Huff and Griffin included, to the endzone.

But then again I forgot UT won teh Rose Bowl 347-0, with VY sorcing all of teh points, even FG andPATs.

AMEN BROTHER!

 

[thunderkyss]

In that game, he only turned the corner twice. One went for a score, and it looked really impressive.

But as being pointed out, as good as Texas was, the worst defense he'll see in the pros will be better than that team.

We'll play Philly this year. He'll have to get around Darren Howard on one end, and Jevon on the other, or come up the middle and talk to mister Jeremiah Trotter. Against Dallas, Demarcus Ware, and Roy Williams are going to make it a long day. Indy's got Brock, Freeny, and Gary Brackett. he'll have to get around Strahand, Umayemenyora(sp). I'm not saying that you can't run against these teams, or that Reggie will be shut down.

I'm just saying they aren't going to be as easy as Texas was......... not that Texas was easy.

 

[Frills]

Our team has so many holes. We have need at almost EVERY position, and we're going to draft a running back? Which is our ONLY strong part?

WR, OL, QB, TE, DL, LB, S, CB All of these positon are our needs, and running back is definitely not our need!

Please trade down, or draft vince.

No matter how far it is trade down. If we can't trade down draft Vince.

How many yds did DD have in the last 3 games last season?

Why draft VY if we can't trade down, why not take Mario or D'Brick with the #1?

thanks

 

[Errant Hothy]

In that game, he only turned the corner twice. One went for a score, and it looked really impressive.

But as being pointed out, as good as Texas was, the worst defense he'll see in the pros will be better than that team.

We'll play Philly this year. He'll have to get around Darren Howard on one end, and Jevon on the other, or come up the middle and talk to mister Jeremiah Trotter. Against Dallas, Demarcus Ware, and Roy Williams are going to make it a long day. Indy's got Brock, Freeny, and Gary Brackett. he'll have to get around Strahand, Umayemenyora(sp). I'm not saying that you can't run against these teams, or that Reggie will be shut down.

I'm just saying they aren't going to be as easy as Texas was......... not that Texas was easy.

No doubt.

But I've been hearing alot of "Reggie isn't fast enough" of "He's not that fast" and the final straw was the statement about Reggie not being able to get round the corner, espically against UT.

I hope Reggie thows something in the 4.25-4.35 range, so I can watch how fast teh flip-floping happens.

 

[Hawg]

In that game, he only turned the corner twice. One went for a score, and it looked really impressive.

But as being pointed out, as good as Texas was, the worst defense he'll see in the pros will be better than that team.

We'll play Philly this year. He'll have to get around Darren Howard on one end, and Jevon on the other, or come up the middle and talk to mister Jeremiah Trotter. Against Dallas, Demarcus Ware, and Roy Williams are going to make it a long day. Indy's got Brock, Freeny, and Gary Brackett. he'll have to get around Strahand, Umayemenyora(sp). I'm not saying that you can't run against these teams, or that Reggie will be shut down.

I'm just saying they aren't going to be as easy as Texas was......... not that Texas was easy.

While all of your points are valid. I still beleive that Reggie will be able to bring it on the next level. Especially with the help of Kubes. Plus he already knows how to run within the zone locking scheme, seeing as that what he did at USC.

Go Texans.

 

[thunderkyss]

While all of your points are valid. I still beleive that Reggie will be able to bring it on the next level. Especially with the help of Kubes. Plus he already knows how to run within the zone locking scheme, seeing as that what he did at USC.

Go Texans.

If we draft Reggie, and I'm giving it a 89.98% chance of probability, I'm hoping you're right.

 

[HeartofHouston]

People have a lotta knocks on Reggie Bush, his size and his game against Texas and how he wont be able to do all that stuff in college in the pros..

Well the fact of the matter is that You Have NO IDEA how well somebody is gonna do when it comes to moving to the next level..

The Only thing that we can do is judge of the style of offense/defense they ran in college and their production and potential.. Judging from all of those Reggie Bush is the guy.

Put him in the backfield, line him up next to DD, put him in the slot, our at WR put him in motion, put him on Kick Return, Punt return, put him in the stands and he'll prolly score from there too.. People are saying we dont need another RB, well Reggie Bush is not just a Running Back his is THE OFFENSIVE WEAPON.. his speed, ability, quickness, hands, vision, potential and versatility alone is worth the 1st overall pick.

Imagine having a guy that keeps Def coordinators up a late at night trying to figure out a way to plan for him.. they'll be in the office like..

"what if you guys into the slot? do I really want my OLB covering Bush on a deep pattern?" or.. "Should I roll my best corner to Bush??, we'll if I do that who do I put on Johnson, who do I put on mathis?"

Also with him in the backfield LBs are gonna have their eyes in the backfield looking for Bush to make a move and one thing that I can tell you about doing that is that as a LB youre gonna miss something.. and if LBs missing something, and with Johnson, Mathis, Putzier and Carr and all on the same page Defenses are gonna be walking off the field alot and passing them by will be their field goal blocking team.

In all honesty.. Johnson and Davis was not the easiest combo to stop.. but imagine Johnson, Bush, Mathis, Putzier and Davis.

 

[thunderkyss]

People have a lotta knocks on Reggie Bush, his size and his game against Texas and how he wont be able to do all that stuff in college in the pros..

Well the fact of the matter is that You Have NO IDEA how well somebody is gonna do when it comes to moving to the next level..

The Only thing that we can do is judge of the style of offense/defense they ran in college and their production and potential.. Judging from all of those Reggie Bush is the guy.

Put him in the backfield, line him up next to DD, put him in the slot, our at WR put him in motion, put him on Kick Return, Punt return, put him in the stands and he'll prolly score from there too.. People are saying we dont need another RB, well Reggie Bush is not just a Running Back his is THE OFFENSIVE WEAPON.. his speed, ability, quickness, hands, vision, potential and versatility alone is worth the 1st overall pick.

Imagine having a guy that keeps Def coordinators up a late at night trying to figure out a way to plan for him.. they'll be in the office like..

"what if you guys into the slot? do I really want my OLB covering Bush on a deep pattern?" or.. "Should I roll my best corner to Bush??, we'll if I do that who do I put on Johnson, who do I put on mathis?"

Also with him in the backfield LBs are gonna have their eyes in the backfield looking for Bush to make a move and one thing that I can tell you about doing that is that as a LB youre gonna miss something.. and if LBs missing something, and with Johnson, Mathis, Putzier and Carr and all on the same page Defenses are gonna be walking off the field alot and passing them by will be their field goal blocking team.

In all honesty.. Johnson and Davis was not the easiest combo to stop.. but imagine Johnson, Bush, Mathis, Putzier and Davis.

I think I'm going to puke.

 

[Lucky]

I think I'm going to puke.

Thanks for the effort put into your rebuttal. Hope you made it to the toilet.

 

[Haams]

NOT FAST ENOUGH TO TURN THE CORNER. Did you even see the National Championship game. He was running around that corner. The kid had 165 yards or more on offense. That says alot to me about his game. Because that defense was a powerhouse. Reggie is the man.

The kid had 13 carries for 82 yards. Decent, but not exceptional. He was outrushed by 2 people in that game: Lendale White and VY. My point is that some of y'all need to come back to earch and pick Reggies jock strap out of your teeth. Reggie is "the man" for a 165 yard (losing) performance. Vince is an also ran with his 467 yard performance? My whole point was about the best player available tag being placed on RB. All I ask is where is any proof of that. I understand he is an exceptional player (and I can even understand people thinking him a better fit for our team) but the fact remains VY did more in college than Reggie did. The numbers don't lie. The head to head matchup doesn't lie.

 

[dat_boy_yec]

How many yds did DD have in the last 3 games last season?

Why draft VY if we can't trade down, why not take Mario or D'Brick with the #1?

thanks

Umm, DD was out the last three games. So that would be a great reason to get RB over anybody else.
Because you would be passing up a great talent to fill needs that are no longer glaring.

 

[Bubbajwp]

The kid had 13 carries for 82 yards. Decent, but not exceptional. He was outrushed by 2 people in that game: Lendale White and VY. My point is that some of y'all need to come back to earch and pick Reggies jock strap out of your teeth. Reggie is "the man" for a 165 yard (losing) performance. Vince is an also ran with his 467 yard performance? My whole point was about the best player available tag being placed on RB. All I ask is where is any proof of that. I understand he is an exceptional player (and I can even understand people thinking him a better fit for our team) but the fact remains VY did more in college than Reggie did. The numbers don't lie. The head to head matchup doesn't lie.

When did VY ever play head to head I seem to remember both of them playing on offense. Correct me if im wrong. There teams played head to head. RB had a good game against a great defense. VY had a great game against a terrible offense.

 

[dat_boy_yec]

The kid had 13 carries for 82 yards. Decent, but not exceptional. He was outrushed by 2 people in that game: Lendale White and VY. My point is that some of y'all need to come back to earch and pick Reggies jock strap out of your teeth. Reggie is "the man" for a 165 yard (losing) performance. Vince is an also ran with his 467 yard performance? My whole point was about the best player available tag being placed on RB. All I ask is where is any proof of that. I understand he is an exceptional player (and I can even understand people thinking him a better fit for our team) but the fact remains VY did more in college than Reggie did. The numbers don't lie. The head to head matchup doesn't lie.

Gee, I guess your point is totally valid. I mean Reggie only did that againts the #1 ranked Defense that keyed in on him while Vince did his thing against the 48 ranked Defense. Even Huff said it had Reggie been on the field when White was stopped Huff would not have been able to help because he would have had to cover Reggie. Makes you wonder how White would have done had the defense keyed in on him.

 

[Haams]

. I mean Reggie only did that againts the #1 ranked Defense that keyed in on him...

Thankyou, my point. Since we already established any pro D will be better than UT's are we counting on him giving us 13 carries for 57 yards as a pro? Reggie is a great player, but his BIG numbers came against sub-par teams. He still has not proven to me that he can dominate a great defense.

 

[Errant Hothy]

Thankyou, my point. Since we already established any pro D will be better than UT's are we counting on him giving us 13 carries for 57 yards as a pro? Reggie is a great player, but his BIG numbers came against sub-par teams. He still has not proven to me that he can dominate a great defense.

So did VY's (big games), so what's you're point exactly.

It's not all that uncommon for teh best players to light up the lower ranked D's, that's one of the things that makes predicting succes from the NCAA to the NFL so hard.

Look at Reggie's year numbers, and see that he was 3rd in rushing while carrying the ball a 100 fewer times then the guys who finished first and second. To do that you have to be good against all comers, all weeks.

 

[swtbound07]

Gee, I guess your point is totally valid. I mean Reggie only did that againts the #1 ranked Defense that keyed in on him while Vince did his thing against the 48 ranked Defense. Even Huff said it had Reggie been on the field when White was stopped Huff would not have been able to help because he would have had to cover Reggie. Makes you wonder how White would have done had the defense keyed in on him.

Nfl defenses will be vastly superior to college ones, and THEY WILL KEY IN ON HIM.

 

[Errant Hothy]

Nfl defenses will be vastly superior to college ones, and THEY WILL KEY IN ON HIM.

Yes they will, but saying that is a reason to not draft Reggie, and possible draft VY is faulty logic. Becasue NFL Ds will also key on VY, linebackers will be faster and D linemen stronger.

Also the Texans, with AJ, Putz, maybe Moulds and a revamped line, Ds will be more recluctant to key on a single player; assuming Carr can complete some 20 yarders when the opposing D stacks teh line.

 

[swtbound07]

Yes they will, but saying that is a reason to not draft Reggie, and possible draft VY is faulty logic. Becasue NFL Ds will also key on VY, linebackers will be faster and D linemen stronger.

Also the Texans, with AJ, Putz, maybe Moulds and a revamped line, Ds will be more recluctant to key on a single player; assuming Carr can complete some 20 yarders when the opposing D stacks teh line.

Thats an assumption im unwilling to make. Carr complete a pass? Preposterous.

 

[dat_boy_yec]

Nfl defenses will be vastly superior to college ones, and THEY WILL KEY IN ON HIM.

You say that, but speed wise Texas is just as fast as an NFL defense and Reggie got to the corner and burned them. They had linebackers that were converted safeties. Michael Huff is a first rd. safety and he didn't catch Reggie on that play. If they key in on him that's great because it will allow the rest of our team to flourish. Point blank he will benfit our offense more than any other player in the draft. I'd go as far as saying he can help our team more than any player in the draft period. I don't have inflated expectations but in comparing him to all the other prospects he is the best option available.

 

[el toro]

People have a lotta knocks on Reggie Bush, his size and his game against Texas and how he wont be able to do all that stuff in college in the pros..

Well the fact of the matter is that You Have NO IDEA how well somebody is gonna do when it comes to moving to the next level..

The Only thing that we can do is judge of the style of offense/defense they ran in college and their production and potential.. Judging from all of those Reggie Bush is the guy.

Put him in the backfield, line him up next to DD, put him in the slot, our at WR put him in motion, put him on Kick Return, Punt return, put him in the stands and he'll prolly score from there too.. People are saying we dont need another RB, well Reggie Bush is not just a Running Back his is THE OFFENSIVE WEAPON.. his speed, ability, quickness, hands, vision, potential and versatility alone is worth the 1st overall pick.

Imagine having a guy that keeps Def coordinators up a late at night trying to figure out a way to plan for him.. they'll be in the office like..

"what if you guys into the slot? do I really want my OLB covering Bush on a deep pattern?" or.. "Should I roll my best corner to Bush??, we'll if I do that who do I put on Johnson, who do I put on mathis?"

Also with him in the backfield LBs are gonna have their eyes in the backfield looking for Bush to make a move and one thing that I can tell you about doing that is that as a LB youre gonna miss something.. and if LBs missing something, and with Johnson, Mathis, Putzier and Carr and all on the same page Defenses are gonna be walking off the field alot and passing them by will be their field goal blocking team.

In all honesty.. Johnson and Davis was not the easiest combo to stop.. but imagine Johnson, Bush, Mathis, Putzier and Davis.

Exactly. Hopefully Moulds will be added to that mix.

You will have the talent and the coaching to create an explosive offense soon. Not in 2010. Now. I don't understand why so many are so ready to jettison that to get a prospect elsewhere (and not much else, from the myriad trade down proposals I've seen in this forum). Why stop yourself from taking a real shot at having a top notch offense? Guilt? Fear?

You don't have to address both sides of the team this offseason equally. The D hasn't been ignored, but if you have the opportunity to turn your offensive into an awesome unit, why not? That's what this draft is about, opportunity. Sure, if someone showed up with 5 high picks between this draft and the next, then you think about dealing it. But not this crap about, say the #5 and a 5th rounder.

 

[BeReal]

Nfl defenses will be vastly superior to college ones, and THEY WILL KEY IN ON HIM.

People are quick to point out that if Young's ability to run is minimized by the speed of NFL players; wouldn't that also mean Bush's will be neutralized as well??

NO. What people fail to recognize is when Bush runs the ball, he will have blockers and the play is designed for him to run. However, unless the play is a QB draw, then Young’s runs will be improvised. Thus he will not have the blocking or the design of the play to help him advance the ball.

 

[el toro]

When VY torches college defenses that means he will be a superstar in the NFL. When Reggie Bush does it that means he was playing against nothing like he will see at the next level.

Understood.

 

[Haams]

When VY torches college defenses that means he will be a superstar in the NFL. When Reggie Bush does it that means he was playing against nothing like he will see at the next level.

Understood.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Reggie won't be a very good NFL player. My posts were mainly directed at those who said we should take RB because he was the bpa, period. I don't think that's true at all. I think you can make valid arguments for Bush, VY, Mario, and Ferguson at #1.

Myself, I think Bush makes the least sense because DD is one of the leaders in all-purpose yards in the league and there is no guarantee that Bush will be more productive. I favor VY because I think if he fulfills his potential you are not only looking at the best player in the league, but a player who can change the position (think Shaq in basketball.) In no way am I trying to say that Bush sucks or will be unproductive, but I am tired of people blindly believing he's the second coming who is going to lead the franchise to glory with very little evidence to back that up.

I've said it before: I think Bush can make a decent team good, a good team great, but not a bad team good. I don't know that he can carry a team and I don't know that he's worth a first round pick to us.