I could have had a V-8

[badboy]

I thought it appropriate to have a thread for what if and it 'coulda shoulda beens'. State you player and where he was actually taken. Maybe a player fell to #25 (as in my case below) or you would have traded up or down differently but you must use only the picks that were used by Texans.

Reuben Foster selected #31 by San Francisco. This surprised me a bit as his issue at Combine evidently pushed him down. It did not bother me. He was described as the ultimate ILB and ranked #10. I am ok with Watson but Foster could probably start sooner than later and allowing team (if best) to cut or trade Cushing saving millions of dollars.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Would have preferred moving for Mahomes over Watson. Barring that would have been content to sit and take a day 1 starter at RT (Ramczyk) and looked QB later (Peterman).

 

[texan279]

Would have preferred moving for Mahomes over Watson. Barring that would have been content to sit and take a day 1 starter at RT (Ramczyk) and looked QB later (Peterman).

You read my mind.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Mahomes is not a better QB than Watson. Many, myself included, had already written off acquiring Deshaun since many considered him the top QB in the draft and thus you move on to the next best thing. Playing in the Big 12 is not the same as playing in the SEC and yet both guys had comparable numbers and one of them carried his team to a championship and the other to a sexy 5-7 record. Measurables are cool. Intangibles are more important for a QB.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Mahomes is not a better QB than Watson. Many, myself included, had already written off acquiring Deshaun since many considered him the top QB in the draft and thus you move on to the next best thing. Playing in the Big 12 is not the same as playing in the SEC and yet both guys had comparable numbers and one of them carried his team to a championship and the other to a sexy 5-7 record. Measurables are cool. Intangibles are more important for a QB.

I believe he is, so ... ok.

And considering neither played in the SEC..

And Watson didn't carry Clemson..

And I'm not basing anything on measurables.

 

[Texian]

Stay put at #25 and take Jabril Peppers.

 

[Texian]

Actually just hearing that John Lynch was trying to trade up in to the 20s for Rueben Foster. He was afraid Saints were trying to do the same. Payton confirmed Saints would've taken Foster if he was on the board. I would have traded back.

Texans trade their 1st RD, 25th pick and their 3rd RD, 89th pick to the San Francisco 49ers for their 2nd RD. 34th pick, 3rd RD. 66th pick and 4th RD. 109th pick.

 

[The1ApplePie]

Actually just hearing that John Lynch was trying to trade up in to the 20s for Rueben Foster, I would have traded back.

Texans have traded their 1st RD, 25th pick and their 3rd RD, 89th pick to the San Francisco 49ers for their 2nd RD. 34th pick, 3rd RD. 66th pick and 4th RD. 109th pick.

So, the Texans would give up on getting a QB? I assume even Kizer goes in that space between 25 and 34. I get that the Texans need O-line help, but this draft is pretty trash in that regards.

 

[badboy]

Would have preferred moving for Mahomes over Watson. Barring that would have been content to sit and take a day 1 starter at RT (Ramczyk) and looked QB later (Peterman).

Yeah Ramczyk going at 32 was interesting and reports say his hip is healing on schedule but I am really nervous drafting players with recent history of major injury.

 

[badboy]

I believe he is, so ... ok.

And considering neither played in the SEC..

And Watson didn't carry Clemson..

And I'm not basing anything on measurables.

He sure looked as if he did in the championship game versus Alabama's defense; during regular season I heard that D could have been best in Alabama's history.

 

[Mollywhopper]

He sure looked as if he did in the championship game versus Alabama's defense; during regular season I heard that D could have been best in Alabama's history.

I didn't knock his play or his contribution. Just not talking away from a loaded Clemson roster either, and especially when the point at hand had to do with Watson simply winning more games than Mahomes.

 

[sandman]

Yeah Ramczyk going at 32 was interesting and reports say his hip is healing on schedule but I am really nervous drafting players with recent history of major injury.

Heard Ramczyk had one of the poorest Wonderlic scores among all Olinemen in the draft. Does that matter?

 

[Corrosion]

Would have preferred moving for Mahomes over Watson. Barring that would have been content to sit and take a day 1 starter at RT (Ramczyk) and looked QB later (Peterman).

Same .... Damn KC made a big move there. Sure didn't expect them to go that high. I was figuring maybe a couple spots ahead of the Texans who have in the past been reluctant to move up.

 

[Corrosion]

Mahomes is not a better QB than Watson. Many, myself included, had already written off acquiring Deshaun since many considered him the top QB in the draft and thus you move on to the next best thing. Playing in the Big 12 is not the same as playing in the SEC and yet both guys had comparable numbers and one of them carried his team to a championship and the other to a sexy 5-7 record. Measurables are cool. Intangibles are more important for a QB.

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it .... But many would argue otherwise , myself included. Mahomes is just gifted .... I think he's going to be special.


No , I didn't think the Texans had a chance in hell to draft Watson .... figured he would be gone by #6.


Happy with the pick even if he wasn't my choice , they at least took a swing at solving the position and Watson's character and work ethic give him a shot to be a quality player.

 

[gs27]

Stay put at #25 and take Jabril Peppers.

This is the guy I was hoping the Texans would land in the 1st. Burns even more that he was picked with our pick.

 

[Corrosion]

Stay put at #25 and take Jabril Peppers.

This is the guy I was hoping the Texans would land in the 1st. Burns even more that he was picked with our pick.

Sure , Ok .... and who's your QB. What do you do when Savage gets hurt or just sucks .... throw away another year ?


If they weren't in such desperate need at the QB position ..... yeah , Peppers.


Circumstances dictate course of action.

 

[gs27]

Sure , Ok .... and who's your QB. What do you do when Savage gets hurt or just sucks .... throw away another year ?


If they weren't in such desperate need at the QB position ..... yeah , Peppers.


Circumstances dictate course of action.

The point of this thread is to say who you would have taken. I would have taken Peppers. His alpha dog play making abilities would have taken our defense to another level IMO.

I would have waited to see if Kizer lasted to our pick in the 2nd, and if he was gone, I would have picked up Alek Torgerson in the 5th, who I feel is an equivalent prospect to Garappolo coming out.

I have no problem with Watson if he was really the guy BOB told Smith to get. I am not a fan of using two 1st round picks to get him since I have concerns about his arm strength and accuracy.

Everyone has their favorite at QB and no one knows who is right. Obviously you are a fan of Watson. I really hope you are right. He is a Texan QB with a lot of resources invested in him, he needs to become a top 10 QB in the league to justify our investment. I will be as happy as anyone if he reaches that level.

 

[gs27]

Heard Ramczyk had one of the poorest Wonderlic scores among all Olinemen in the draft. Does that matter?

I think you are thinking of Bolles who scored a 9, which is really low for a lineman and a concern. Ramczyk scored a 20, which in normal years would put him in the bottom 50% of tackle prospects but this year the group had extremely low scores in general, he actually had one of the higher scores of the group.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Yeah Ramczyk going at 32 was interesting and reports say his hip is healing on schedule but I am really nervous drafting players with recent history of major injury.

Hip labrum problems as I've mentioned previously are commonly associated with other core muscle damage such as adductor tears and sports hernias...........injuries that have a knack for becoming chronic and recurrent. Looks like now Payton during the Thursday night news conference reported that "He's coming off a core muscle injury and hip surgery." Again, for a 300+ pounder, not a good way to start an NFL career.

 

[thunderkyss]

Would have preferred moving for Mahomes over Watson. Barring that would have been content to sit and take a day 1 starter at RT (Ramczyk) and looked QB later (Peterman).

I hope we don't make this a Mahomes vs Watson thing. No reason both guys can't be successful in this league. I hope our fans don't talk about Mahommes the way we talk about Bortles. Dude's not even in our division & there isn't anything wrong with KC being your second team.

I'm looking forward to these three guys contributing to the NFL for years & years to come.

 

[thunderkyss]

Stay put at #25 and take Jabril Peppers.

Me too. I think he would have got us closers to Ravens Super Bowl winning defense.

 

[badboy]

Heard Ramczyk had one of the poorest Wonderlic scores among all Olinemen in the draft. Does that matter?

Probably for QBs but I think a lot of positional "knowledge" is gained from repetition. Most guys have been playing for years by time they get to NFL even if at different positions so that helps. For RBs, DBs and some LBs depending on scheme it has to do with "instincts" and that is probably not best word. Ram and Bolles both had only one season as full time LTs IIRC and both got better each game.

 

[badboy]

Hip labrum problems as I've mentioned previously are commonly associated with other core muscle damage such as adductor tears and sports hernias...........injuries that have a knack for becoming chronic and recurrent. Looks like he is now Payton during the Thursday night news conference reported that "He's coming off a core muscle injury and hip surgery." Again, for a 300+ pounder, not a good way to start an NFL career.

Yeah doc, I remember our discussions about Mahomes & Watt's brother also. I'm not saying never get a guy with injury but it has become even more a part of my research.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

I think Mahomes a year away from being a year away as the saying goes.

I'll disciplined and inaccurate.

Still had him as my #3 QB and would of celebrated drafting him.

 

[The1ApplePie]

After seeing Takkarist McKinley's post-pick speech, I would have loved to have had that guy, no lie.

 

[Texian]

Actually just hearing that John Lynch was trying to trade up in to the 20s for Rueben Foster. He was afraid Saints were trying to do the same. Payton confirmed Saints would've taken Foster if he was on the board. I would have traded back.

Texans trade their 1st RD, 25th pick and their 3rd RD, 89th pick to the San Francisco 49ers for their 2nd RD. 34th pick, 3rd RD. 66th pick and 4th RD. 109th pick.

My Houston Texans V8

RD 2 - #34 = Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama

 

[Texian]

Actually just hearing that John Lynch was trying to trade up in to the 20s for Rueben Foster. He was afraid Saints were trying to do the same. Payton confirmed Saints would've taken Foster if he was on the board. I would have traded back.

Texans trade their 1st RD, 25th pick and their 3rd RD, 89th pick to the San Francisco 49ers for their 2nd RD. 34th pick, 3rd RD. 66th pick and 4th RD. 109th pick.

My Houston Texans V8
RD 2 - #34 = Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama

With the 57th pick in my 2017 V8 Draft the Houston Texans select: Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh

RD2 (34) - Cam Robinson, OL, Alabama
RD2 (57) - Nathan Peterman, QB Pittsburgh
RD3 (66) -

 

[ObsiWan]

Stay put at #25 and take Jabril Peppers.

Whose spot would he have taken?
Don't really see Peppers as a true shutdown CB. Maybe he competes for a safety job.
Maybe.

 

[ObsiWan]

With the 57th pick in my 2017 V8 Draft the Houston Texans select: Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh

RD2 (34) - Cam Robinson, OL, Alabama
RD2 (57) - Nathan Peterman, QB Pittsburgh
RD3 (66) -

Wait.... what happened to your Peppers selection?

 

[Mollywhopper]

Whose spot would he have taken?
Don't really see Peppers as a true shutdown CB. Maybe he competes for a safety job.
Maybe.

He's a SS in base defense and a moneybacker (Deone Bucannon) in subpackages. Can be moved all around situationally from deep coverage in the right matchup to intermediate coverage against anyone to nickel to edge blitzing to filling in the box against the run.

 

[Texian]

Wait.... what happened to your Peppers selection?

Actually just hearing that John Lynch was trying to trade up in to the 20s for Rueben Foster. He was afraid Saints were trying to do the same. Payton confirmed Saints would've taken Foster if he was on the board. I would have traded back.

Texans trade their 1st RD, 25th pick and their 3rd RD, 89th pick to the San Francisco 49ers for their 2nd RD. 34th pick, 3rd RD. 66th pick and 4th RD. 109th pick.

 

[Texian]

Actually just hearing that John Lynch was trying to trade up in to the 20s for Rueben Foster. He was afraid Saints were trying to do the same. Payton confirmed Saints would've taken Foster if he was on the board. I would have traded back.

Texans trade their 1st RD, 25th pick and their 3rd RD, 89th pick to the San Francisco 49ers for their 2nd RD. 34th pick, 3rd RD. 66th pick and 4th RD. 109th pick.

With the 57th pick in my 2017 V8 Draft the Houston Texans select: Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh

RD2 (34) - Cam Robinson, OL, Alabama
RD2 (57) - Nathan Peterman, QB Pittsburgh
RD3 (66) -

With the 66th pick in my 2017 V8 Draft, the Houston Texans select: D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas

RD2 (34) - Cam Robinson, OL, Alabama
RD2 (57) - Nathan Peterman, QB Pittsburgh
RD3 (66) - D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas

That's all tonight. See you tomorrow. 3 picks in RD 4 tomorrow in my V8 Draft.

 

[thunderkyss]

Hmm... Patriots haven't made a pick yet. Stupid... they must have traded away their first & second round picks.

World Champions my a55

 

[texanhead08]

Will Cushing be a June 1 cut now or will he be here this season?

 

[Mollywhopper]

So if this is the what-I'd-have-done-following-along-thread, then..

1.25 - Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
2.57 - Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh
3.89 - Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech

 

[DocBar]

1.25- Cam Robinson
2.57-Nathan Peterman
3.89- Antonio Garcia
Yes, I believe the OL, especially OT, needs that much attention.

 

[gs27]

Will Cushing be a June 1 cut now or will he be here this season?

I have heard rumors he will replace Simon at strongside OLB.

 

[ObsiWan]

my picks would have been....

1 - 25: Cam Robinson or Ryan Ramzyck
2 - 57: Nathan Peterman
3 - 89: D'Onta Foreman (we need a banger like him for short ydg situations and I'm reeeeally tired of Alfred Blue as our #2 RB)

To be clear, I'm not unhappy with the way things actually unfolded.
...getting a potential franchise QB who has proven the big stage doesn't scare him, a stud Brian Cushing replacement, and a stud RB to replace Blue has got to be a successful first day?
When I take my personal preferences out of this equation (I really wanted a OT in rd 1!), what's not to like?

 

[badboy]

I am shockingly pleased as did not expect trade up 13 spots, Cunningham at 57 or selecting Foreman. Reduction in snaps for both Dont'e and Miller from previous season should make both more productive. Now go get our tackle.

 

[thunderkyss]

To be clear, I'm not unhappy with the way things actually unfolded.
...getting a potential franchise QB who has proven the big stage doesn't scare him...

I'm going to ask, even though I think I already know the answer...

How do you compare Deshaun Watson to Aj McCarron or Connor Cook?

I think there's a lot of similarity there as far as ability & production. You all know I wanted Aj McCarron. Watson may have an edge on athletecism, but McCarron & Cook have good mobility for a QB... Cook moreso than McCarron, but not near Watson.

But I think Watson's intangibles... leadership especially makes the Watson pick for me. We know nobody likes Cook & McCarron isn't the most assertive guy. While I thought those guys could be franchise QBs, I think Watson is more likely to.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Lol @ Nathan Peterman in the 2nd round. So many flaws. At least it beats going Blake Bortles top 5 though so it wouldn't have been as disastrous, maybe.

It would prolonged the QB cesspool, Peterman not dynamic enough to beat out Savage and mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

 

[ObsiWan]

I am shockingly pleased as did not expect trade up 13 spots, Cunningham at 57 or selecting Foreman. Reduction in snaps for both Dont'e and Miller from previous season should make both more productive. Now go get our tackle.

Full disclosure:
I NEVER saw any of the QB-related trades coming.
Still don't understand why the Bears made the move they did.
Had NO CLUE that KC was even shopping for a QB, let alone being willing to trade up 17 spots to get Mahommes.
I thought the Texans might make a move... but 12 spots??
I was blindsided (and so were all the talking heads) by all three moves.

And yes, there better be a OT picked sometime (hopefully early) in today's picks

 

[badboy]

Will Cushing be a June 1 cut now or will he be here this season?

I don't think so. He is still good enough to start and teach and as of now his cap doesn't hurt us. IMO too many are looking at his cap.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Lol @ Nathan Peterman in the 2nd round. So many flaws. At least it beats going Blake Bortles top 5 though so it wouldn't have been as disastrous, maybe.

It would prolonged the QB cesspool, Peterman not dynamic enough to beat out Savage and mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

What are his so many flaws?

 

[ObsiWan]

I'm going to ask, even though I think I already know the answer...

How do you compare Deshaun Watson to Aj McCarron or Connor Cook?

I think there's a lot of similarity there as far as ability & production. You all know I wanted Aj McCarron. Watson may have an edge on athletecism, but McCarron & Cook have good mobility for a QB... Cook moreso than McCarron, but not near Watson.

But I think Watson's intangibles... leadership especially makes the Watson pick for me. We know nobody likes Cook & McCarron isn't the most assertive guy. While I thought those guys could be franchise QBs, I think Watson is more likely to.

I actually liked McCarron coming out of college. I was amazed O'Brien drafted Savage over him in the 4th. More amazed he lasted until the 5th round.

Wasn't really too impressed with Cook. It could be that I couldn't think of a single successful QB to come out of Michigan St. so I just wrote him off.

 

[Uncle Rico]

What are his so many flaws?

Accuracy, slower than molasses (5 second 40 time??), pocket passer in a mobile era. Like the fact he played in a pro style offense, but he just seems bumbling, not smooth doesn't pass my eye test against lackluster competition save the one game against Deshaun and Clemson.

I like him more than Kizer, but not 2nd round love.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Accuracy, slower than molasses (5 second 40 time??), pocket passer in a mobile era. Like the fact he played in a pro style offense, but he just seems bumbling, not smooth doesn't pass my eye test against lackluster competition save the one game against Deshaun and Clemson.

I like him more than Kizer, but not 2nd round love.

He's quite accurate .. including deep, throwing on the run, and throwing guys open. Not too sure what games you watched.
And he's mobile as f*ck. He ran roughly half the time in a sprintout offense. Again, not sure what games you were watching.
His mechanics are often cited as some of the smoothest, most efficient, and least in need of coaching up in all of this draft.

Honestly, I'm not sure which qb you've been watching for those of all things to be his 'flaws'.

 

[Uncle Rico]

He's quite accurate .. including deep, throwing on the run, and throwing guys open. Not too sure what games you watched.
And he's mobile as f*ck. He ran roughly half the time in a sprintout offense. Again, not sure what games you were watching.
His mechanics are often cited as some of the smoothest, most efficient, and least in need of coaching up in all of this draft.

Honestly, I'm not sure which qb you've been watching for those of all things to be his 'flaws'.

Interesting, your write up would make him seem a no brainier top 10 pick and yet here he is on day 3. High water mark of 308 yards this year? Hmm I guess.

I'm assuming you like him more than Watson?

 

[Scooter]

He's quite accurate .. including deep, throwing on the run, and throwing guys open. Not too sure what games you watched.
And he's mobile as f*ck. He ran roughly half the time in a sprintout offense. Again, not sure what games you were watching.
His mechanics are often cited as some of the smoothest, most efficient, and least in need of coaching up in all of this draft.

Honestly, I'm not sure which qb you've been watching for those of all things to be his 'flaws'.

As with many, Peterman was my guy in the late second. Now that he's fallen all the way to the 4th in a slide like AJ McCarron, do you double dip at the QB position if he's still there when we pick? I think that I would. Weeden is never going to be anything, drop him and add Peterman to the roster.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Cj Beathard came off the board before Peterman ... CJ Beathard!! SMH