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How to "slow down" the Pats offense and win this game

patsfan13 said:
The Chung TO didn't help but Rex came up with a very good gameplan (BB said he was out coached that game) using 7-8 DB and the Pats were unable to exploit that 'gimmick' by running the ball.

They drafted Ridley and Vareen 4 months later to prevent other teams from doing this successfully.

I will be interested to see what Phillips comes up with.

His D's have had trouble with the Pats (thinking his time at Dallas and Buffalo), Brady matches well against the D he likes to run. If I were a Texan fan I want to see how he adapts to slow down the Pats.

Gronk was not effective in the Dolphins game he seemed to be favoring and trying to protect his arm, keep an eye on this.

I also think that Joseph was just coming off an injury and expect he will be tougher in this game.

B Reed's being in this game will also help the Texans out, but I understand that a couple of players from the first game are now out.

How do you guys feel about the health of the team?

For the Pats this is the healthiest they have been in the Playoffs for a couple of years, it doesn't look like the weather will be a factor.
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BJG averaged 4.4 YPC that year, the same as Ridley this year;Woodhead was at 5.3 YPC.

There was no problem with the Pats run game back then; and it wasn't the run game that held the Pats back on that day.

It was Brady's uncharacteristic errors and the drop by Alger in the end zone that hurt the Pats more than anything.

I'm hoping some of that happen again tomorrow. I'll take any luck we can get. :)
 
I just heard the best analysis of how to play Tom Brady that I've ever heard. I've been hearing a lot of stup1d analysis, like you can't play man coverage to beat him.

I'm listening to Seth Payne & Ted Johnson (??) on 610am right now & they just said the only thing that makes sense.

  1. We don't play zone; we're about to play the second best QB of our lifetime & we're supposed to all of a sudden be able to play zone coverages at the level that's going to be required to beat him? I don't think so.

    San Francisco did it... but we're not San Francisco. We don't have their linemen, we don't have their LBs, we don't have their safeties... yeah, our guys have strengths theirs do not (maybe not at the ILB position) but we don't have what they have that allows them to play excellent zone coverage. We just don't
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  2. Take away the first read
    This right here, is what did it for me. (This is the kind of analysis I expect from you emdiggy) but this is it in a nutshell. Brady did not have all day to dissect our secondary. He got the ball out in 2.2 seconds or something (unconfirmed). He was going to his first read, & his first read was open.

    Now, open means different things for different QBs & different receivers. Same thing happened against Rogers. The QBs & the Receivers have an excellent rapport. They know each other, they know what they can do & can't do. If that DB is playing on top & to the inside, the WR knows their QB is going to put it on their back shoulder. If the DB is playing underneath & outside with a safety on top, that outside hook turns into an inside hook. More difficult to defend, but not impossible. Our DBs need to know this. Or our defenders in general.

    If they're playing on top & inside, to defend the back shoulder, you have to force the receiver to the sideline. If he goes up, the first thing in your mind has to be to push him out of bounds. If you lost that battle & you're not close to the sideline, you have to get your hand between his elbows, grab something & yank like a motha.

    If you're playing deep, facing the QB, get ready to drive on the ball.

    Of course there is a lot of other stuff that goes with that.

    ** most important, is tendencies. They've got to know in certain situations, Welker is Brady's first read. Sometimes, it's Gronk, sometimes it's Lloyd... But our guys need to believe that guy in front of him is the first target & play accordingly. **
 
I will tell you the easy way to beat Brady. Get in his face right from go, and if you have to eat the 15 yard RTK penalty, do so and hit him hard and drive him to the turf (remember, it's not an illegal hit- it's just a late hit that ain't late on any other QB but Brady).

Once he gets walloped, he gets antsy. Once he gets antsy, his accuracy suffers.
 
Daravenator said:
I will tell you the easy way to beat Brady. Get in his face right from go, and if you have to eat the 15 yard RTK penalty, do so and hit him hard and drive him to the turf (remember, it's not an illegal hit- it's just a late hit that ain't late on any other QB but Brady).

Once he gets walloped, he gets antsy. Once he gets antsy, his accuracy suffers.
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Daravenator is right. You have to smack him down. Brady if you breathe on him you get a 15 yd penalty.
 
Daravenator said:
I will tell you the easy way to beat Brady. Get in his face right from go, and if you have to eat the 15 yard RTK penalty, do so and hit him hard and drive him to the turf (remember, it's not an illegal hit- it's just a late hit that ain't late on any other QB but Brady).

Once he gets walloped, he gets antsy. Once he gets antsy, his accuracy suffers.
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Take away the 1st read and it gives you a bit longer to pop his azzz . :swatter:
 
Our DL is every bit as good (I think better) than San Fran's. They have the definitive edge at LB, esp with Cush out.

Our DBs are all finally healthy, Kareem is playing at a high level. They have a slight edge, but I like ours as well.

We need Sean Cody to make a splash. Dude needs to show up.
 
417Texan said:
Daravenator is right. You have to smack him down. Brady if you breathe on him you get a 15 yd penalty.
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I think the Texans just got called for a 15 yd penalty.....and the game hasn't even started.

Why?


Because it's Tom Brady :clap:



Any and every opportunity, bring pressure on TB and knock the shhhh it out of him.
 
Daravenator said:
I will tell you the easy way to beat Brady. Get in his face right from go, and if you have to eat the 15 yard RTK penalty, do so and hit him hard and drive him to the turf (remember, it's not an illegal hit- it's just a late hit that ain't late on any other QB but Brady).

Once he gets walloped, he gets antsy. Once he gets antsy, his accuracy suffers.
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I'm all for being aggressive & ruthless & all that.... but why bring the kicker into this?

I'm ok with taking a 15 yard penalty for a RTP penalty, just don't see what abusing their kicker has to do with getting into Brady's head.
 
Daravenator said:
I will tell you the easy way to beat Brady. Get in his face right from go, and if you have to eat the 15 yard RTK penalty, do so and hit him hard and drive him to the turf (remember, it's not an illegal hit- it's just a late hit that ain't late on any other QB but Brady).

Once he gets walloped, he gets antsy. Once he gets antsy, his accuracy suffers.
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RTK? Is the Pats Punter hurt? Brady's kicking as well?


J/K....
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm all for being aggressive & ruthless & all that.... but why bring the kicker into this?

I'm ok with taking a 15 yard penalty for a RTP penalty, just don't see what abusing their kicker has to do with getting into Brady's head.
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It's a stealth approach to break the kicker's leg and tell Tom he's next . You can break the trainers leg and tell Bill he's next . It's the way John Gotti coached Pop Warner . :aggressive:
 
thunderkyss said:
I just heard the best analysis of how to play Tom Brady that I've ever heard. I've been hearing a lot of stup1d analysis, like you can't play man coverage to beat him.

I'm listening to Seth Payne & Ted Johnson (??) on 610am right now & they just said the only thing that makes sense.

  1. We don't play zone; we're about to play the second best QB of our lifetime & we're supposed to all of a sudden be able to play zone coverages at the level that's going to be required to beat him? I don't think so.

    San Francisco did it... but we're not San Francisco. We don't have their linemen, we don't have their LBs, we don't have their safeties... yeah, our guys have strengths theirs do not (maybe not at the ILB position) but we don't have what they have that allows them to play excellent zone coverage. We just don't
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Wrong

SF played man - to - man in the first half and shut Brady down. It was not zone. SF changed to zone in the 2nd half and Brady was able to move the ball.

This Bleacher report article was written by people like yourself (so take it with a grain of salt) nevertheless, it is correct in the fact that SF was in MAN first half and ZONE second half.

Enjoy http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...w-england-patriots-shredded-the-49ers-defense
 
Pats said:
Wrong

SF played man - to - man in the first half and shut Brady down. It was not zone. SF changed to zone in the 2nd half and Brady was able to move the ball.

This Bleacher report article was written by people like yourself (so take it with a grain of salt) nevertheless, it is correct in the fact that SF was in MAN first half and ZONE second half.

Enjoy http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...w-england-patriots-shredded-the-49ers-defense
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SF ILBs can cover is what I recall .
 
That is the problem for the Texans, they don't do much to disguise their coverage on a particular so the first read is determined by the pre snap read. Same for Welker Gronk Hernandez and so on, the routes are determined first by pre snap read and them by the reaction.

A couple of years ago Mangini beat the Pats while with Cleveland he had his people wandering around so Brady could get a pre snap read this is part of the reason they went to the hurry up.

They HAve to get consistent pressure up the middle while rushing 4 do that and you have a chance. The Ravens and Giants have been good at that and they give the PAts a tough time.
 
patsfan13 said:
That is the problem for the Texans, they don't do much to disguise their coverage on a particular so the first read is determined by the pre snap read. Same for Welker Gronk Hernandez and so on, the routes are determined first by pre snap read and them by the reaction.
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True...... but I don't think it's for a lack of trying. We're just not good at it.
 
The Pats are not invincible. Texans must play within themselves and I am talking about MS. If he starts trying to force it and make throws he is not capable of making it could get ugly fast . No penalties especially those that take away big plays or keep Brady on the field.
We need a couple of big plays on offense and a couple of TOs on defense and no TOs on offense.
We need to win in the trenches.
What I have said above is well within reason.
 
gafftop said:
The Pats are not invincible. Texans must play within themselves and I am talking about MS. If he starts trying to force it and make throws he is not capable of making it could get ugly fast . No penalties especially those that take away big plays or keep Brady on the field.
We need a couple of big plays on offense and a couple of TOs on defense and no TOs on offense.
We need to win in the trenches.
What I have said above is well within reason.
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I still think we're the most balanced team in the league. We've come out throwing the ball several times this year.

But I agree, Schaub doesn't extend plays, he doesn't need to start doing that today. He doesn't force the ball, he doesn't need to do that today.... at least, not until he needs to.

My biggest complaint of Matt, is that he doesn't seem to play with the urgency I think he needs. Every drive needs to end in a TD, every third down needs to be converted. I know noone scores on every possession & no one ever converts every third down, but some QBs play like it & others don't.

I don't want Matt to play that way today. I want him to play his game, but better than he's ever played it before.
 
thunderkyss said:
I still think we're the most balanced team in the league. We've come out throwing the ball several times this year.

But I agree, Schaub doesn't extend plays, he doesn't need to start doing that today. He doesn't force the ball, he doesn't need to do that today.... at least, not until he needs to.

My biggest complaint of Matt, is that he doesn't seem to play with the urgency I think he needs. Every drive needs to end in a TD, every third down needs to be converted. I know noone scores on every possession & no one ever converts every third down, but some QBs play like it & others don't.

I don't want Matt to play that way today. I want him to play his game, but better than he's ever played it before.
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Exactly what I am saying. Still remember after last years game against Ravens thinking that if TJ had just played like he did against Bengals the week before we would have advanced.
 
gafftop said:
Exactly what I am saying. Still remember after last years game against Ravens thinking that if TJ had just played like he did against Bengals the week before we would have advanced.
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True... I thought the same thing.

If we'd have scored 2 TDs in place of 2 FGs last week, that's 27 points. I don't care if Arian has to run all 3 TDs in from the one..... Bulls on Parade have to do their thing.

Doesn't matter to me if Schaub is in that "best QB" discussion or not. As long as the play-offs come home to H-Town.
 
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