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How the hell do we get Justin Blackmon?
- Thread starter NastyNate
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pissknocker
Waterboy
Would be nice. But he is wr #1material. He needs lots of looks, not gonna share with aj
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
Well projected is Kendall Wright to be available for us. He's too short to make it work, I'm a hater I know. Why can't we have multiple 1000 yard receivers with Arian Foster making life difficult to cover us in any aspect? Honestly I'd take this year's defense with AJ #1 Blackmon #2, and giving up a slew of draft picks. We'd be an unreal offense. ****, make it happen Rick! We're lacking a #2 WR, second solid CB and backup interior lineman to be a superbowl winner.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
No one capable of stepping up behind AJ was a real problem this year. WR2 needs to be addressed. If you think about it there's not a single defensive need this off-season. Not really. If nothing changed on that side of the ball we'd be more than good-to-go. We need a WR2, a RT... hell just some legitimate line depth anywhere we can find it, and then we can look at other places we could use depth. It's time to put a few early picks on the offensive side of the ball.
A potential WR1 can come in and play second fiddle to Andre Johnson for a few years. AJ just finished his 9th season and time catches everybody. If we draft someone now we'll be transitioning like the Colts did between Harrison and Wayne.
A potential WR1 can come in and play second fiddle to Andre Johnson for a few years. AJ just finished his 9th season and time catches everybody. If we draft someone now we'll be transitioning like the Colts did between Harrison and Wayne.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
??? Sharing the football and looks has nothing to do with it. In today's league there is PLENTY of passes to go around. They don't have a problem in Dallas, don't have a problem in NOLA, don't have a problem in Atlanta..don't have a problem in GB. Torry Holt was a #1 WR and they had not problem sharing the ball in St. Louis...same with Boldin and Fitz in Arizona. Tate and Foster are both #1 backs and they have no problem sharing the ball.
The only position on the field that "sharing" comes into play is the QB position.
What's going to prevent this from happening is he simply won't be available for us to draft, but if he was..nobody would worry about sharing or touches...that wouldn't even factor into the situation.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I've had this scenario figured out since Schaub got hurt.
We count on developing Yates, and trade Schaub to Washington for their #1 and #2. They would pay that premium because they need him running their offense that badly, and Kyle Shanahan has proven to work well with him. The Shanahans also might be fighting for their jobs.
With those picks, Rick Smith trades up to get Blackmon ahead of the Browns.
We count on developing Yates, and trade Schaub to Washington for their #1 and #2. They would pay that premium because they need him running their offense that badly, and Kyle Shanahan has proven to work well with him. The Shanahans also might be fighting for their jobs.
With those picks, Rick Smith trades up to get Blackmon ahead of the Browns.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
Not sure that I'd trade Schaub to trade up for Blackmon. This team is a contender going into next season with Schaub at QB. He's much more valuable to us than Blackmon.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
We do have needs on defense.
We could get better up front in the middle, we could upgrade at S, and at CB.
I have no problem upgrading at the WR position and it needs to happen, but it would be much easier to do that in free agency as their will be a ton of nice options there where guys could come in immediately and produce as oppose to rolling the dice on a rookie for a team that is ready to contend.
I'd rather the Texans continue to roll the tide on their defense though, and keep building to make it not just a great defense for one season or two, but for an entire decade.
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
There are going to be some pretty good free agent WRs. Robert Meacham, Jerome Simpson, and Pierre Garcon are players who probably won't get paid #1 money and would be a good compliment to AJ.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
Understood. Thus the question "How the hell do we get Justin Blackmon?"
Figure something out, what do you armchair GM's think?
MojoMan
Hall of Fame
The Texans need to cross Blackmon off the list and see what other top rated receivers might be available later in the first round.
They are not going to be able to get Andrew Luck or Robert Griffen, III, either, by the way.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I believe in this upcoming draft there will be some very good WRs in the 2nd and 3rd round.
I believe our needs are
WR#2, OL (interior...Briesel being gone/Rashad Butler will be back),
DT (Cody did good but if we can get the space eater it makes our defense more versatile)
CB (you can't have enough)
QB (I'm not sold on Yates as the future and Schaub - we still don't know what his status will be going into next season and he's running out of time very soon.)
I believe our needs are
WR#2, OL (interior...Briesel being gone/Rashad Butler will be back),
DT (Cody did good but if we can get the space eater it makes our defense more versatile)
CB (you can't have enough)
QB (I'm not sold on Yates as the future and Schaub - we still don't know what his status will be going into next season and he's running out of time very soon.)
Not very likely , hell there is the possibility he could go #1 overall to the Dolts ..... if Manning is healthy (call me crazy but it could happen).
Would he get past ST at #2?
I cant imagine a single team in the top five spots that wouldnt at least consider taking him.
The only way the Texans have a shot is Yates taking them on a deep run in the playoffs and maybe sending him to one of those early QB hungry teams - for that to happen he has to fall at least to the #3 pick. (and the Texans would likely have to add considerably more than just Yates even under the best circumstances.)
Would he get past ST at #2?
I cant imagine a single team in the top five spots that wouldnt at least consider taking him.
The only way the Texans have a shot is Yates taking them on a deep run in the playoffs and maybe sending him to one of those early QB hungry teams - for that to happen he has to fall at least to the #3 pick. (and the Texans would likely have to add considerably more than just Yates even under the best circumstances.)
dryans4prez
Practice Squad
All it takes is Mario Williams to Panthers for a 1st and 3rd this year and a 2nd and 4th next year to get him. Id rather have 2 Ajs on each side than Mario on the outside. Brooks can makes the defense not better but more versatile. I think the gains out way the losses.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
We'd have to sign Mario first right?
dryans4prez
Practice Squad
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Atlanta move up 21 spots to grab Julio Jones. Picking 27th overall to #6 overall.
They did it by trading their 2011 1st, 2nd & fourth followed by this years (2012) 1st & 4th. So Rick Smith would have to make an offer similar to this in order to trade up far enough to get Blackmon.
Houston is selecting around 24th assuming they beat Cincinnati then lose to Baltimore. Both Cleveland 4th or Tampa 5th could select him or accept package deal.
They did it by trading their 2011 1st, 2nd & fourth followed by this years (2012) 1st & 4th. So Rick Smith would have to make an offer similar to this in order to trade up far enough to get Blackmon.
Houston is selecting around 24th assuming they beat Cincinnati then lose to Baltimore. Both Cleveland 4th or Tampa 5th could select him or accept package deal.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
And you tink you can trade him with a cap hit of $23m ? Not going to happen.
It's almost definite that anybody trading for Mario under this scenario would have a long-term deal in place that would bring the cap hit far under that number. Allen had agreed to a six year deal with the Vikings before the trade was finalized (otherwise, the Vikings wouldn't have done it). The Pats traded Matt Cassel to the Chiefs after he'd signed the franchise tender, and while a LT deal wasn't in place when the trade was done, it was in place prior to the '09 season, so the franchise amount never hit the Chiefs cap. Because of the guaranteed amount the franchise tag would generate, the idea of trading without a LT deal agreed to (in principle) ahead of time is probably unlikely to put it mildly.
I believe the question is actually two-fold. First, is this a direction the Texans would consider going in the first place, and second, is there a team out there willing to trade away enough to satisfy the Texans on top of what they'd have to pay out to Mario in the form of guaranteed cash in order to reach that LT deal. The Texans would either have to be extremely confident that a trade could be done, or willing to accept the cap consequences of not being able to find a trade partner.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
Panthers are a viable option with a potential MW Trade. Their pass rush has been pretty abysmal this year and need little offensively to be a real threat in their division. I wonder what their cap looks like though.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
We have wants on defense, not needs. At least not "OMG What the hell are we gonna do!" needs (not anymore at least). I'm not suggesting we stand pat and don't take anybody on that side of the ball, I'm just saying if we did stand pat then we'd probably still have a top ten unit over there and it's not like you can't get it done with a top ten defense.
There will be some good free agent WR's out there this year and the right one at a reasonable price would make an excellent WR2 in the short term and a placeholder until the WR you draft grows up. That WR you draft (and it's probably not Blackmon to be honest, we won't have a shot at him unless we trade the whole damn draft to get up there) is going to be a whole lot more affordable than a high profile FA WR with a lot of years left on him. We need that WR to be the heir apparent to AJ and to be a weapon alongside of him in the short term. Better to draft than overpay in free agency for that guy.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
Never said they were going for RGIII or Luck. We have very few needs in this year's draft. A healthy Schaub and we were legitimate contenders to get to the AFC championship game, a stout #2 WR and we'd be in the big show. This is a passing league, anything we can do to pull another safety out of the box and let Foster go nutty will benefit us (odd backwards thinking I know).
Blackmon is the best solution to our problem regardless of the hurdles needed to acquire him. Trade up and trade aggressively. It's a no brainer.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I disagree. I think you can find someone later in the first round who can get it done for you just as easily and for less money. Reggie Wayne (to go back to that comparison) was taken 30th overall. There will be a lot of WR's in this draft and I think it's a mistake to get locked into Blackmon even though he's outstanding.
I just don't think he's so outstanding that he's worth giving away a lot of the rest of our draft to get him.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
WR is the biggest need but I think Blackmon is out of reach.
For anyone that says defense:
The Texans have a good defense under Wade. Not to mention that defense is becoming less important every year in the NFL anyways.
For anyone that says defense:
The Texans have a good defense under Wade. Not to mention that defense is becoming less important every year in the NFL anyways.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
I figured we would end up with Kendall Wright who is a great player but we all saw how small WR's work out in Kubes' offense (DA anyone?). DA was mainly zone drag routes from the slot and would disappear games at a time. Plus Jeff Maehl looks like he'll be filling that role next year anyways.
I'd take Blackmon no matter what it takes. Him plus AJ puts our receiver corps at the top of the league if we can ship Jacoby off.
I agree with you that this is a possibility BUT you have to consider that even if franchised or extended and traded MW would have some cap ramifications for next years Texans team.
The NFL's rules just dont allow much freedom of movement between teams in trade situations with high salary players. Just look at the small sample size of high profile players moved.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
DA is 1 end of the spectrum..........................the other is wes welker.
In any event, DA is a horrible comparison. As he is smallish & then on top of that he's slow & can't get separation. Wright's a bit bigger & faster.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Really? What NFL league are you watching, because I just noticed a lousy 49ers team come out of the wood works this season and grab the #2 seed in the NFC with straight defense and a running game behind the leadership of Alex Smith.
I also see the same Steelers and Ravens teams fight all year to grab top seeds once again this year. THese two teams have been making the post season most of the last decade off of mainly defense.
I just watched a Tennessee Titans team take the #1 seed in the AFC a few years ago with Kerry Collins leading that team at QB and a running game to go with it.
I seem to remember the Chicago Bears having an electric defense a few years ago that got them into a SB even despite having a terrible offense where they had to drag Rex Grossman there with them.
I also just watched a Texans team have their best run they've ever had mainly due to superior defense that got turned around in one season.
I think that I have gone beyond what I needed to provide as far as examples to illustrate my point. Defense wins championships and great QB's win championships. The league may be becoming more offensive from a statistical standpoint, but that's "all the more reason for importance" of defense. The teams that have top defensive units will have better advantages if the league is favoring offense any way. The majority of the last SB winners over the last decade had very strong defensive units. That's fact. For all of the hoopla I hear about this league being such an offensive juggernut everywhere and people complaining about all of these records being broken or whatever, people seem to forget about the greatness of some of these defenses we've seen in recent years that have been some of the best of all time.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
First, if they were going to trade him, there's no way they'd do the extension themselves - they'd let the team trading for him do that, so with that said, please explain the cap ramifications (to the Texans) of franchising him and then trading him.
Thanks!
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
The Falcons didn't mortgage their future for Jones. He's the real deal, and they paid a lot, but they didn't get a bust. They got a stud, so I think that deal will work out for them long term.
I'd be fine if the Texans went after this Blackmon kid. He's worth it. Now I would definitely have my limits as to what I'd want them to spend, but I'd throw away a few draft picks for this kid, because I think he's the real deal all the way. But of course I still think it's more important to get defensive guys that want to kill people.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
So much this. Blackmon is the real deal and will be an immediate impact at WR#2. We're not losing anything to trade up for his value. Minnesota is looking to deal their #3 spot anyways, and I would suspect Carolina would as well. let's take em up on it.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I agree with you, if anything a team will say hey, we can get more just look @ the value Julio brought to Falcons organization, especially farther they go in playoffs & Jones becomes a difference maker.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yeah, but are we really just a #2 WR away is the question. We could've just as easily snagged a guy like Brandon Lloyd just this past year for only a 7th. He is/was certainly capable of stepping in/up on a short term basis while AJ recovered. & to be honest, there are guys in that mold that are all up & down this draft.
Don't get me wrong, we could certainly use a guy like Blackmon but i don't think he's the caliber of guy we absolutely have to have to keep our offense stable in the event AJ were to go down again. We just need someone better than Jones & Walter..which wouldn't really be tough to do. If they decide to come out, we could draft guys like this in the 1st without giving up too much to move up
Alshon Jeffrey, SC
Micheal Floyd, ND
R. Broyles OU
Hell we could even wait until the 2nd round & still get guys like Fuller out of A&M, Nick Toon out of Wisc.
Point is, it won't be hard for us to find a guy in the draft that will be better than those 2 & there's just no need to give up a ton of stuff to move up into the top 5 to get Blackmon...especially with our other needs. You could wait a lot later & still get a competent #2 possession guy.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
My responses in orange.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Those guys are a much bigger roll of the dice. Blackmon is not. Sure, anyone could be a bust when you see guys like Roy Williams and Braylen Edwards but Blackmon is a guy that you see that is all money. He'd be another Andre Johnson/TO/Roddy White type of WR that could be here for another 10 years like AJ has been. I'd be alright with making the investment. I think the bigger problem would be to figure out how to pay him and AJ at the same time. I know that rookie contracts decreased, but I'd think he'd still get paid a lot.
We both know that Rick Smith would never move up that high in the draft to make a pick like that though.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Nobody is going to pay anything near that amount for a guy that we will be forced to deal if we franchise tag him. Franchising Mario puts the Texans in a huge bind because the value of his one year deal puts us way over the cap and forces us to deal him or make a deal (I'm sure his agent knows that). There won't be that many teams interested in giving up multiple picks for a guy who converted to OLB to play 5 games before having a season-ending injury. Nobody will want to give him a long-term deal on top of that. If we got a 2nd out of him after tagging him, I would be happy.
gary
Hall of Fame
Here is my take on this matter. Atlanta was aggressive and I like that. The thing is if they draft well this year and next then they should still come out just fine. You don't have to make a massive trade up like that every year but once every X amount of years such a move should not hinder your team all that much if you already have a deep and talented roster then you go for that once in a blue moon big time splash. I don't think the Texans would be hurt too much if they made a huge trade up if not for Justin then definitely for another top notch receiver and bring in a play maker opposite Johnson which would stretch the field even further for Schaub whenever he returns. Or if not an outstanding receiver an NT who would eventually replace Cody as the starter or a cover corner opposite Joseph. Typically I am pro staying put and drafting BPA or trading down for more picks but if you think you might see the next Reggie White or Bruce Smith or a franchise QB like Brady or Manning type of player then you should go for it. That shows you want to be a winner and willing to take some chances to do so as well as that you are also concerned about the future of the team and plotting for that as well.
badboy
Hall of Fame
20% increase to Mario's 2011 salary is less than $4m and hardly puts team "way over the cap". There are several players who could be cut to balance that. Example Jacoby Jones $3m & Dominique Barber $1m (last year of contract).
Teams that should be willing to give multi picks for Mario include Washington, Cleveland, Panthers and Philly.. asw Mario can play DE & both OLBs. Nobody will have to pay anywhere near his tagged amount as a long term deal could be worke out drastically reducing his cap hit. In fact, Houston will do the deal and keep Mario. He is only 26 and has missed few games before this season.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Gary for me the trade up to get a franchise type player like Blackmon has to be compared with what the draft picks you give up would bring you. If I were a top 5 team I'd sneer at what Atlanta gave up. It'd take much more. Is a Kendall Wright (1st) and Kevin Zeitler (2nd) and Jerry Franklin ILB/OLB (4th) worth less than Blackmon? I'd forget Blackmon unless the picks could mostly be for the following year.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
What on earth makes you think Philly would be interested in Mario Williams when they already have Babin and Trent Cole? They'd be one of the last teams in the league that would be interested in Mario. Washington already has a lot invested in their DE as well, but Snyder is more of a succer for sure.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
I can't see Philly or Washington making a move like that. Cleveland and Carolina is where I would hedge my sucker deals.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
We are right at the cap now, and we know Schaub, Smith, Winston and AJ's contracts are escalating a few million, which should more than offset any savings in cut contracts. Then we have to figure that Myers and Foster will be resigned for more than the ~$3.2 million they are earning collectively now.
Our hands are tied due to this ridiculous balloon payment in his contract, and we can't afford to franchise Mario and get stuck holding the bag. They need to work out a deal with him to play for the Texans or let him walk. The best thing for Mario and his agent would be for the Texans to franchise him for one year, let him play his ass off and get a HUGE payday in 2013. All the while he gets about $17 million for one year's work and indirectly prevents us from signing Foster long-term or going after other free agents.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
He says that every time trading Mario comes up, but doesn't seem to care when people point out that the Eagles have two great DE's under contract for the future. Not to mention they just signed Jenkins last year to a multi-year deal...
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Cleveland is not giving up RG3 or Blackmon for Mario Williams. They have to keep that #5 pick and hope one of those two fall to them. They are much more likely to trade that #5 and their 2nd to move up to #3 and take Griffin then waste it on a DE coming off injury who will cost twice as much money. Cleveland is young, and if they want a DE that bad, they should take Couples and keep building from the ground up.
rush2112mn
Rookie
I disagree....I bet he would......especially since he would be the apprentice....and Andre is the Master.......in Sith terms...
Andre Johnson.....Darth Dre