Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍

How much longer do we give Carr????

Texas_Thrill

Texas_Thrill

Veteran
I wasn't sold on carr when we drafted him but I really liked his grimey play after that first year I was sold.

However I wonder how long does the franchise give him before they can say he isn't a franchise QB?

Just want ya'll thoughts don't think I'm abandoning ship here with carr. We clearly didn't help him not drafting any lineman but with Young and Mcneal coming out in two years possibly its something I think we should at least THINK about.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
I wasn't sold on carr when we drafted him but I really liked his grimey play after that first year I was sold.

However I wonder how long does the franchise give him before they can say he isn't a franchise QB?

Just want ya'll thoughts don't think I'm abandoning ship here with carr. We clearly didn't help him not drafting any lineman but with Young and Mcneal coming out in two years possibly its something I think we should at least THINK about.
Click to expand...

You can keep Vince Young. I can't stand 75% RB/ 25% QB. It does a real disservice to the QB position. Carr should get to start until we have a decent OL. If our OL starts to give him any amount of time and he still cannot connect, then it my be time. Right now is not the time.
 
I give him this year and if his TDs are significantly higher than his INTs, then I think we start tapping him on the shoulder.

Does anyone think it is out of the question to expect 20 TDs and about 12 INTs this year?
 
if our line can protect like it did in passing situations in the first half of the season, we will be fine, Carr lit up teams like Minnesota most notably when he was getting time... Carr will be our QB and hopefully will retire as it, Brett Favreish hopefully, Carr can already run, 2nd in QB rushing yards, so its not like he is mollases back there in the pocket
 
Two more years.. If we dont make the playoffs this year, its the coaches fault, after that... its Carrs (grin). BTW.. he is a decent QB, but he throws alot of his passes behind the reciever instead of to them.
 
Dime said:
Two more years.. If we dont make the playoffs this year, its the coaches fault, after that... its Carrs (grin). BTW.. he is a decent QB, but he throws alot of his passes behind the reciever instead of to them.
Click to expand...
You get more arc when you are falling backward. :)
 
THEFUTURE said:
if our line can protect like it did in passing situations in the first half of the season, we will be fine, Carr lit up teams like Minnesota most notably when he was getting time... Carr will be our QB and hopefully will retire as it, Brett Favreish hopefully, Carr can already run, 2nd in QB rushing yards, so its not like he is mollases back there in the pocket
Click to expand...

It's not too hard to light up Minnesota...well at least it wasn't last year.
 
i think 20td's and 12ints is about par with the rest of the league...i'd hope for more than 20td's but if he's throwing almost 2 td's for every 1 int that's pretty good...you also have to look at him completion percentage...if he's around 64% he's doing pretty good...if he's QB rating is around 80 he's doing great...personally i didn't see a lot of problems with carr last year...i saw a lot of problems with inconsitant play around him...with the o-line and our running game...i think we have the recievers in place for him we just need better pass protection and a more consitant running game...cause if morency and davis can average 4.1 yds a carry...then carr's QB rating will go from 75ish to 82ish
 
Carr was doing a great job until AJ started to get doubled covered every game and he started to depend on DD to much. If Joppru can stay healthly Carr will finally have his break out season.
 
We give him until he stops getting better. He has gotten better every year so far.


How long should we give DD?

How long should we give AJ?

How long should we give Dunta?


What is the point in questioning good players and wondering how long we should give them before we start trying to replace them?
 
I think I have seen enough out of Carr to know he will be here for quite a while. He has come a long way and I think he is starting to read defenses and feel the rush better. He needs to keep getting better at sliding in the pocket but that will come as the line gets better. Great QB's find a way to buy an extra second in the pocket in a hot rush.
 
David needs a good TE.

David needs a better performance from the offensive line.

David needs to be healthy all year for this team to do some damage.

David also needs a haircut. New style something. He got on my nerves last year messing with his hair so much. Just kidding. He's a nice looking guy.
 
I don't think we can say anything about Carr until he has at least GOOD pass protection, not great, but good. And a TE woudln't hurt either...
 
as long as he needs. I wish some of you would get a clue, Carr is not the problem! Look at the guy calling the plays and protection calls, and the guys who are suppose to be blocking for him.
 
keyfro said:
i think 20td's and 12ints is about par with the rest of the league...i'd hope for more than 20td's but if he's throwing almost 2 td's for every 1 int that's pretty good...you also have to look at him completion percentage...if he's around 64% he's doing pretty good...if he's QB rating is around 80 he's doing great...personally i didn't see a lot of problems with carr last year...i saw a lot of problems with inconsitant play around him...with the o-line and our running game...i think we have the recievers in place for him we just need better pass protection and a more consitant running game...cause if morency and davis can average 4.1 yds a carry...then carr's QB rating will go from 75ish to 82ish
Click to expand...

He picked up 7 more TD's last year and only one more INT. 20+ and around 12-14 INT's should happen. He had 64% completions in the 1st half of last season before the wheels fell off the pass protection, so once again something in that range should happen. He already had a QB rating of 83.5 so getting to 82ish would be back sliding IMO. Over the 1st half of last season his rating was 95.1--carrying that through this coming season is what I hope to see.
 
Dom Capers is the head coach and his forte was supposed to be defense, so unless he can finally start getting some sacks I would say Dom is the first to go. I'm not a huge Palmer fan, so if the defense gets it done and the offense struggles then he could be gone. Dom Caper's style has never been a flashy offense, so I don't see too much pressure on Carr compared to Capers and Palmer.

Carr has made a few bad throws, but I've seen just as many good throws dropped. :ninja:
 
Texas_Thrill said:
I wasn't sold on carr when we drafted him but I really liked his grimey play after that first year I was sold.

However I wonder how long does the franchise give him before they can say he isn't a franchise QB?

Just want ya'll thoughts don't think I'm abandoning ship here with carr. We clearly didn't help him not drafting any lineman but with Young and Mcneal coming out in two years possibly its something I think we should at least THINK about.
Click to expand...

I love Vince Young and McNeal, but these guys aren't even a lock to get drafted (day 1 or day 2). Vince may need to switch to receiver like Matt Jones in the NFL.
 
i think the more important question is how much longer do we sit on this o-line and zone blocking scheme...mckinny struggles against bigger DT's...wiegert has yet to stay healthy for a whole season here in houston...and don't get me started on our o-line depth
 
I agree for the most part here with what everyone is saying.

I'm quite upset that we didn't do a better job addressing our line in the draft for Carr after a failed attempt at O Pace. Clearly if you are going after him you should do something more than a 5th round Center.

As far as a TE I'm so not depending on Joppru to breakout other than to break something else.

What happen to the Palmer that opened up with a DEEP BOMB on the first play against the cowboys. This conservative stuff is killing me. Let Carr OPEN up the offense some dang.
 
TexansJunkE said:
as long as he needs. I wish some of you would get a clue, Carr is not the problem! Look at the guy calling the plays and protection calls, and the guys who are suppose to be blocking for him.
Click to expand...
I have to agree with you pretty much on this one. :thumbup
 
And as far as how much longer do we give

DD? I say this year since you want to know.

AJ? He's proven himself to be a STUD. When you are drawing double cov. every week you are doing the daam thing.

Dunta? Wasn't he D player of the year so I guess that answers that question.

I think you put every player under a microscope quit acting like a golden boy qb is exempt from conversation.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
quit acting like a golden boy qb is exempt from conversation.
Click to expand...

Where do you come off thinking this? You have been getting answers to your question....are you not happy with what you hear? I don't get why the sarcasm has to be used.

Original by texan279- I don't think we can say anything about Carr until he has at least GOOD pass protection, not great, but good. And a TE woudln't hurt either...
True that.

Originally Posted by THEFUTURE- Carr will be our QB and hopefully will retire as it, Brett Favreish hopefully.
Wouldn't that be awesome! This type of player is so scare in today's NFL. If David is allowed to play with adequate protection, I believe he can astonish alot of naysayers. Let's get the O line to step up and see if this is true.... :hmmm:
 
JacksonvilleJaguar4 said:
Carr will do good I know he will, he's a good guy and good QB.



LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR!
Click to expand...
Hi JJ4. How goes the reflux of Hog fans at the litterbox? Has it mellowed out yet? Y'all got your hands full over there. :wacko:
 
(sigh)

Did McNabb when the Super Bowl? How long did it take him to win the NFC championship? Three times to win it. Did Jake Delhomme win the Super Bowl? Where's he been since then? Etc. etc.

It takes a complete team to when the NFL title. '85 Bears, who had one of the best defenses..but who also had a running game and clutch receiving. '72 Dolphins, who were pretty much a bunch of no-names with no real superstars other than Csonka. Patriots. Cowboys. Steelers. Packers. Those championship teams had it going on with all aspects of the game. Look at the Bills: Great team(s) but couldn't get it done. Was it Jim Kelly's fault? Nope. Was it Scott Norwood's fault (one of those was his fault).

Carr juked a player (Saints two years ago, right?) and ran it in for a score. The guy jumped over the pile and beat J-ville with no ticks on the clock...on fourth down. Came back from shoulder injury and ran the ball for a key first down, only to get dogged into the ground and re-injure his shoulder. Beat the Chiefs when the Chiefs romped us two years ago. Beat the Cowboys. Almost beat the Patriots. Almost beat the Vikings. Almost beat the Packers. Each of those losses was NOT his fault. Had our defense been better, and it should have been, we'd have won those games.

And as far as our zone blocking that somebody griped about. Were you watching the Lions game last year when the zone blocking gave DD perfect running lanes, only to have DD fumble the ball in crucial parts of the game. Same goes for San Diego. That's two wins right there that was not a result of DC's play. With just those two wins, we'd be at 9-7 and not 7-9. Our zone blocking runs well when DD holds onto the ball. He's an awesome runner, and I think those two losses to start off the season last year was a huuuuuuuuuuuge blow to our momentum.

Doesn't help that G-Funk is struggling. Doesn't help that Palmer can't call a consistent game.

There's a whole more than just the QB (on any team) that decides ballgames. When we play solid defense, it keeps the other team's defense on the field and they get tired. Thus, they can't chase DC as well as they have when we can't keep another team from converting EVERY third and long.

Solid D.

No fumbles by DD.

Carr and AJ take care of the rest.

And let's just HOPE that Palmer goes to the bathroom every other series so another coach can call some good plays.
 
El Tejano said:
I give him this year and if his TDs are significantly higher than his INTs, then I think we start tapping him on the shoulder.

Does anyone think it is out of the question to expect 20 TDs and about 12 INTs this year?
Click to expand...

all depends on the O-Line. Carr will go as far as the O-Line takes him
 
Carr is not the problem, our offense last season did pretty good, IT"S the defense that let us down, when the defense can shut down offenses then that will give Carr and Crew the chance to shine, But that to might be a problem with Palmer running the offense. I hope that the speed and youth on defense can pull it together this season or we will have the same thing as we did last season.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Were you watching the Lions game last year when the zone blocking gave DD perfect running lanes, only to have DD fumble the ball in crucial parts of the game. Same goes for San Diego. That's two wins right there that was not a result of DC's play.
Click to expand...

I agreed with almost everything else in your post, but David Carr had 3 INT's in the 1st two games--by the way, he also fumbled it twice in Detroit, same as DD--he just got lucky enough for them to be recovered by us. Points were scored off both his turnovers and DD's. This same thing has been said before, but it simply isn't accurate to lay the 1st two losses solely at DD's feet.
 
In truth, it's the fault of the offense for the losing season.

The offense was being too predictable/conservative and going 3 and out in the second half of almost every game last season [most of our losses... if our offense did SOMETHING in the 2nd half, I gurantee you we win].

The defense...well, when you play for the entire 2nd half, you will get tired and fall apart.

A good defense wins you games, but good defenses need a breather too.

Of course, that points the finger of blame at two groups.... the coaches and the oline.
 
TexansJunkE said:
as long as he needs. I wish some of you would get a clue, Carr is not the problem! Look at the guy calling the plays and protection calls, and the guys who are suppose to be blocking for him.
Click to expand...
I think most of the post's on here are missing the MAIN point. This ENTIRE orginization has a grand total of 48 regular season games under its belt. That's about the length of time most realistic fans ( and the people who do this for a living!!!) take to grade a single draft. We started from scratch and have developed into a pretty darn decent team. We had 13 teams draft in front of us this year. That, in itself, is a minor miracle. It's gonna take us at least one more year to develope team chemistry and stockpile enough talent, without destroying our salary cap, to seriously compete with the big boys in this league. We have to go through our growing pains and suffer through abyssmal losses(CLEVELAND!!!! :hairpull: :bag: ) as we gain experience AND talent. Carr has done an exceptional job under less than ideal circumstances. Troy Aikman suffered through worse his 1st 2 or 3 yrs in the league. And that was with "America's Team" :patriot ) At least give the man enough time to settle down and let the team grow (build) around him like the original plan was.
 
FILO Girl I'm very happy with the responses given here. What upset me is that folks act like this is a question that can't be asked. As soon as you question it its like how dare I even bring it up.

I am a Carr supporter but that doesn't mean he's exempt from being questioned. This was more so to the point for the texans and any other NFL team at what point do you realize you need a new qb and go in a new direction at that position. Everyone says bringing in a new qb sets a team back 2 or 3 years.

I think Carr has been let down in this year's draft. I felt like at LEAST 3 picks should have gone to OL.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
I think Carr has been let down in this year's draft. I felt like at LEAST 3 picks should have gone to OL.
Click to expand...
I would have had lots of bad things to say and Cowboy jerseys to buy if the Texans had done that. I hate the Cowboys worse than stepping in cat poop barefooted(I hope that doesn't violate posted rules..if so, it was completely accidental and regretful). The O-line prospects were average at best. That is giving them some credit.
 
Maybe avg. at the Tackle slots but there was some really good talent on the inside. Maybe not a lot but enough for us to say get a guard or some real depth on the inside.

OG Brown from UVA was a prime example. We could have had him in the 3rd instead we get a RB who will play Backup????
 
Texas_Thrill said:
Maybe avg. at the Tackle slots but there was some really good talent on the inside. Maybe not a lot but enough for us to say get a guard or some real depth on the inside.

OG Brown from UVA was a prime example. We could have had him in the 3rd instead we get a RB who will play Backup????
Click to expand...
Good point, and most interior OLmen are not high draft picks. I'm kinda curious to see how some of our UDFA's pan out. Some pretty decent interior OL guys there. And Morency was reportedly the 4th highest rated rusher this draft. Not too shabby to be right behind Cadillac, Benson and Brown. He might surprise us this summer. Anyways, you make a good case.
 
FILO_girl said:
Hi JJ4. How goes the reflux of Hog fans at the litterbox? Has it mellowed out yet? Y'all got your hands full over there. :wacko:
Click to expand...
pretty good all the Matt Jones bandwagoners are still there spaming the board, you'll see a person there that just registered this year and already has +900 posts it's ridiculous! I think Matt Jones is a terrific athlete and will do great things in the NFL, I just don't expect anything spectacular out of him this year. Next year the bar will be raised but he has to transiton first which will be a rocky road. And in response, I think Carr will be terrific this year and for the duration of his career; David is one of the few players on your team who I like and respect and I come here to look at how you guys are prepairing for this season. For us I'm worried on how our drafted LT Barnes is going to perform I hope he gets the starting job. I also wonder about the CB we drafted I wish him luck because we need a corner to complement Rashean Mathus. Well my visits here have been great no complaints yet! I will talk later bye.



-Joey
 
Texas_Thrill said:
FILO Girl I'm very happy with the responses given here. What upset me is that folks act like this is a question that can't be asked. As soon as you question it its like how dare I even bring it up.

I am a Carr supporter but that doesn't mean he's exempt from being questioned. This was more so to the point for the texans and any other NFL team at what point do you realize you need a new qb and go in a new direction at that position. Everyone says bringing in a new qb sets a team back 2 or 3 years.

I think Carr has been let down in this year's draft. I felt like at LEAST 3 picks should have gone to OL.
Click to expand...

OK, two separate questions really, Carr and the OL. Let's set the OL aside. What do you think Carr needs to improve upon this year? Not a stats thing necessarily, but finding the #3, feeling pressure, etc. What do you feel he has and has not improved upon in the last 3 years that concern you or make you think he will not be here for awhile (cap issues aside)?
 
I always say that every player deserves four years to fully prove himself but in Carrs case I think he deserves more like six years. Your front office has not done **** to help get him some real OL, the poor ******* is on his back more than he is on his feet. Untill you get him some help the Texans and David Carr will go no where.
 
Carr is a big time player on a small ball team. Capers does not give him the opportunity in normal game situations. How many times was the offense struggling only to move the ball with ease in the 2 minute offense?

His protection is key. One extra second gives AJ and others time to break away and gives David the time to get it to them. I am tired of seeing O linemen helping David up after a hard hit. Are you listening Pitts? I don't know how many times I saw him helping David up last year. Chester, the learning curve has just straightened out. Make the plays or a living driving a truck.
 
olyy said:
That's the Texans party line of course. But then New Orleans took an OL in our spot at #13 so they clearly would disagree. Time will tell but I think we just didn't want to use our top pick on an OL even though there were indeed OL out there that were worthy of that pick. I guess CC likes seeing Carr run for his life.
Click to expand...

The OLmen New Orleans picked may have been worth #13, but he made zero cap/improvement sense for the Texans. Wade has played one year of an expensive contract and outside of the high ankle sprain last year has been a very durable/quality player. Cutting him in favor of a rookie would accelerate all his signing bonus to this year. These decisions aren't as simple as some would make out.
 
One of my issues with Carr is that he has consistently trailed off in the latter parts of the season (late November/December) every year. I know he's gotten his fair of wear and tear by that time of the season every year, but a true leader finds ways of getting better as the years go on, not worse. I really worry about how he'll perform when we are in the playoff hunt at the end of the year. We can't afford any performances like those he gave us against Cleveland at home to end the season last year.
 
olyy said:
He said the reason was there was no quality OL worthy of a #13 pick. And he's the one in charge. New Orleans disagreed with CC's assessment so strongly they were willing to part with a 3rd round pick just to make sure they got an OL in our #13 spot.
Click to expand...
I think Cass was specifically refering to a LT offensive lineman, not a RT. I
think NO paid a ton for the Oklahoma RT, because they fetch more than guards/centers but not what top LTs bring - but they obviously wanted him bad and bad enough to pay the price to move up farther to get him.
LT Alex Barron, from what I've read, while athleticaly gifted had pitiful motivation and lacked even a basic interest in playing football, otherwise the Texans might have been interested in taking him with their 13.
 
olyy said:
That's the Texans party line of course. But then New Orleans took an OL in our spot at #13 so they clearly would disagree.
Click to expand...
No, that was what the NFL felt in general, not just the Texans. There was not one single Tackle taken in the first round that will play Left Tackle in the pros. Every singe one of them went to Right Tackle, including Barron. LEFT TACKLE is what most of you guys are complaining about. The early tackles aren't going to play the LT position and LT was so weak that NO team picked a player to man that spot from this 1st round.
 
Since the Rams have already announced that Barron will play RT and the Saints have Brown penciled in at RT its really not that tough.
 
Capster67 said:
We can't afford any performances like those he gave us against Cleveland at home to end the season last year.
Click to expand...

Were you watching the same game I was? DC had ZERO protection on any of the pass plays & spent the afternoon either on his back or running for his life. I can't attribute that loss to DCs inability, but I can to OLine ... JMHO.
 
olyy said:
I realize you're a smart guy Vinny, but I didn't realize how smart. Not only do you know what every team in the NFL was thinking (amazing since those are closely guarded secrets), you can also predict exactly where on the OL every draft pick will play in the NFL before even the teams have seen the players in camp. You should be running an NFL team rather than a message board.
Click to expand...

Well gee, there were a whopping 2 OT's taken in the 1st round. One played RT in college, was projected by just about every expert to play RT in the NFL and was drafted by a team in need of a RT. The other went to Orlando Pace's team. No offense to Vinny, but it hardly seems like rocket science to figure out none of the 1st round tackles is going to be playing LT anytime soon.
 
I don't think the 20 and 12 should be an unreasonable am't for carr

I don't understand everyones gripe about Wand.. It was his 1st year.. I don't have the stats in front of me but I thought that someone put some stats up that showed that Wand had a better year than Pitts did in his first year at tackle.... Interior of the line is what I find that needed work.. as I have stated in other threads .. when was the last time you saw a picture perfect pocket for Carr to step up in?

Carr should have a better year.. He gets more weapons.. He gets A RB..a WR ...and hopefully a HEALTHY TE ...

*edit*
People complain that we draft a RB in the 3rd.. People complain that we draft a QB a few years ago.. I like both.. What Morency is the same type of runner as DD.. well if DD goes down or Morency goes down.. We can still keep running our offense.. Same goes with if Carr goes down.. and ragone becomes 2nd string.. We can still run the same type of offense... Believe it or not..and we dont' get to see much of it due to OL woes.. Palmer likes to throw the long ball...Ragone and Carr can both do that...(and NO I am not jumping on the Ragone bandwagon just because NFLE... Capers himself said that (or maybe Casserly) when we drafted Ragone... Now they did the same thing with Morency... being DD gets banged up a bunch.

As far as Mathis.. hopefully he can take Bradfords spot... We still got a burner to back Bradford.. lets hope he can catch Carr's passes :heh:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top