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How did Mario Look today???

FanFromCali said:
Mario did a good job today. He disrupted plays, pressured the QB, and drew double-teams. A DE doesn’t need to get a sack every game to make a difference.

However, the team seriously needs more at LB and DB. The team is getting butchered on Def.
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Well, we're in luck. Kailee Wong and Petey Faggins will be back next week. It's going to make a huge difference. Wong is a vastly superior SLB than Orr, who is playing out of position (though he played okay today)... and Petey, while certainly not a great CB, improves our secondary a great deal- particularly in nickel ( did you watch McCLeon today? yuck!).

Actually, with Wong back, Petey back, and Buchanan healthy- this defense can make some serious strides. And, if Mario continues to improve, getting Peek back next week will add some domension to our pass rush. I think it's very plausible that our defense will be pretty good over the last half of the season.
 
We've peaced together some good defensive series, we just need consitency, some playmaking (sacks, picks) and a running game to help out. Some see 34 points, I see progress
 
thunderkyss said:
Being used as a Decoy??

are you serious?? they are putting the ball in his hands, and all that stuff you saw on the highlight films are not happening. I counted 3 third & shorts(& I didn't watch the whole game) that he wasn't even on the field. Why wouldn't you have your decoy on the field in third & short situations??

Reggie Bush is, and has been a non-factor for the newOrleans saints.

they use JoeHorn as a Decoy, and Duece McAllister as a decoy. but when they put the ball in there hands, they do something with it to warrant beeing used as a decoy.
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Going into yesterday's games, Bush was leading the NFL in receptions. I would say that he is having an influence on how teams game plan for the Saints.
 
Texan Ned said:
Going into yesterday's games, Bush was leading the NFL in receptions. I would say that he is having an influence on how teams game plan for the Saints.
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Just for perspective sake, Carr was the highest rated passer. That and 200k will get you a new plastic face in Dallas.
 
thunderkyss said:
Being used as a Decoy??

are you serious?? they are putting the ball in his hands, and all that stuff you saw on the highlight films are not happening. I counted 3 third & shorts(& I didn't watch the whole game) that he wasn't even on the field. Why wouldn't you have your decoy on the field in third & short situations??

Reggie Bush is, and has been a non-factor for the newOrleans saints.

they use JoeHorn as a Decoy, and Duece McAllister as a decoy. but when they put the ball in there hands, they do something with it to warrant beeing used as a decoy.
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Reggie is an important part of what the Saints do offensively....
 
thunderkyss said:
Being used as a Decoy??

are you serious?? they are putting the ball in his hands, and all that stuff you saw on the highlight films are not happening. I counted 3 third & shorts(& I didn't watch the whole game) that he wasn't even on the field. Why wouldn't you have your decoy on the field in third & short situations??

Reggie Bush is, and has been a non-factor for the newOrleans saints.

they use JoeHorn as a Decoy, and Duece McAllister as a decoy. but when they put the ball in there hands, they do something with it to warrant beeing used as a decoy.
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Yeah i was going in between both games, & I recall seeing bush on the field like 2 or 3 times on the last drive of the game. 1 he rushed OUTSIDE on 3rd and long to try an pick up the first, which he didn't get, the 2nd time i recall him on the field just to get time off the clock inside the redzone; they let him rush the ball up the middle. I'm sure he was on the field at least 1-2 other times outside of those 2 i just named, but if the guy is that much of threat like some off these people claim he would have been on the field more for an 8 min drive.
 
Scooter said:
whew ... time out. admittedly i'm a homer, but payne the best DT we've got, especially when it comes to "pushing the pile". replay barber's touchdown, payne is the only texan that ended up in the backfield. payne commands double teams and that's why he got the holding penalty ... both the LG and C made it their mission to tackle payne. seriously, payne is the only real run stuffer on the texans, and with his reported injury, we might not have one at all. johnson & johnson combined dont generate the push that payne does.
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Maybe he is, I admittely am not looking at him close, but when i see good defensive lines in the league they all have 1 big wide guy in the middle wreaking havoc (Tommie Harris; CHi,Washington with SD etc), so much that teams can't run up the middle b/c they're driving the double team back into the play as it develops. Going off this alone, I am basing my opinion & i don't see this from Payne or whoever is in at that position. Payne might have (gotta speak in past tense :crying: ) been holding his own in there but he definitely wasn't wreaking havoc.
 
Texan Ned said:
Going into yesterday's games, Bush was leading the NFL in receptions. I would say that he is having an influence on how teams game plan for the Saints.
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Yeah, ok. YOu go with that. I'm going to quote myself from another thread. This is how you make an impact as a rookie:
thunderkyss said:
Bad thing is that Mario had a great game today.

Dallas' first play from scrimmage was a 10 yard run away from Mario. Babin grabs JJs belt, and goes for a ride.

Dallas' second snap of their first possession. Mario is tripple teamed by Crayton, Witten, and Flozelle Adams. At the snap, JJ takes the ball to run off tackle, towards Mario. But Mario is already moving all three offensive players into JJs lane, so JJ stretches it to the sideline. Sanders is playing contain on the sideline, and CC is behind him, waiting for JJ to come around the corner. Mario splits what is left of the double team, and is free, when JJ makes a great cut behind Flozelle, and Mario is out of the play because JJ went behind Flo. CC gets behind Flo as well, and drops JJ for no gain.

That was one of those awesome plays, showing Mario's speed, power, and influence on a play, that doesn't get mentioned.
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None of this subjective decoy talk. Three men on one, and he still beats them, and influences the play in our favor.

When the first guy to lay a finger on ReggieBush is the only guy needed to tackle him, you can't tell me he is being used as a decoy.

When you get the matchup everybody's been waiting for since his sophomore year, 1 LB in coverage with RB as a WR, and that one LB makes the play, you can't tell me he is being used as a decoy.

When nobody puts an extra DB in the game, because Reggie is lined up in the backfield, you can't tell me that he is influencing the game any more than any other RB.
 
thunderkyss said:
Yeah, ok. YOu go with that. I'm going to quote myself from another thread. This is how you make an impact as a rookie:


None of this subjective decoy talk. Three men on one, and he still beats them, and influences the play in our favor.

When the first guy to lay a finger on ReggieBush is the only guy needed to tackle him, you can't tell me he is being used as a decoy.

When you get the matchup everybody's been waiting for since his sophomore year, 1 LB in coverage with RB as a WR, and that one LB makes the play, you can't tell me he is being used as a decoy.

When nobody puts an extra DB in the game, because Reggie is lined up in the backfield, you can't tell me that he is influencing the game any more than any other RB.
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Kyss, will you do me a favor? Take off the MW glasses and actually look at the Saints on offense. When Bush is in the game look at the pursuit by the opposing team and look at how much attention is being paid to Bush while he is in the game. Yeah he may average just a yard a carry but if only two people pay him any attention somebody is open. Kinda like how MW's impact can't be measured by sacks alone, correct?
 
kbourda said:
Kyss, will you do me a favor? Take off the MW glasses and actually look at the Saints on offense. When Bush is in the game look at the pursuit by the opposing team and look at how much attention is being paid to Bush while he is in the game. Yeah he may average just a yard a carry but if only two people pay him any attention somebody is open. Kinda like how MW's impact can't be measured by sacks alone, correct?
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Why would anyone double a slot receiver or a fullback?
 
kbourda said:
Kyss, will you do me a favor? Take off the MW glasses and actually look at the Saints on offense. When Bush is in the game look at the pursuit by the opposing team and look at how much attention is being paid to Bush while he is in the game. Yeah he may average just a yard a carry but if only two people pay him any attention somebody is open. Kinda like how MW's impact can't be measured by sacks alone, correct?
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That's the point. I am watching, and I'm not seeing anything being done special for ReggieBush. Not once, do I see another team getting burned by the bush end of the equation.

If what you say is true, and teams are "keying on Reggie", then Colston goes off and have a big game, making them look stupid, or Duece would rip off a huge run, making them look inept....... you'd think sooner or later(darn sure by now) they'd key on the other guy, and Reggie would burn them. But they haven't.

In Philly, someone new is THE guy every week. they shut down ReggieBrown, Stallworth goes off. They shut down stallworth, HankBaskette has a good day. they shut down hankBaskett, Westbrook has a good day, shut him down, Buckhalter has a good day.

But for some reason, the only one getting shutout in N.O. is ReggieBush, and JoeHorn, MarquesColston, & DueceMcAllister are always having big games, week in & week out.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's the point. I am watching, and I'm not seeing anything being done special for ReggieBush. Not once, do I see another team getting burned by the bush end of the equation.

If what you say is true, and teams are "keying on Reggie", then Colston goes off and have a big game, making them look stupid, or Duece would rip off a huge run, making them look inept....... you'd think sooner or later(darn sure by now) they'd key on the other guy, and Reggie would burn them. But they haven't.

In Philly, someone new is THE guy every week. they shut down ReggieBrown, Stallworth goes off. They shut down stallworth, HankBaskette has a good day. they shut down hankBaskett, Westbrook has a good day, shut him down, Buckhalter has a good day.

But for some reason, the only one getting shutout in N.O. is ReggieBush, and JoeHorn, MarquesColston, & DueceMcAllister are always having big games, week in & week out.
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See but my point is as long as he creates an ounce of attention while he is on the field the Saints have that side of the battle won. Yeah, shut down Bush but the Saints are 5-1. Can it be attributed to Bush's mere presence? I don't know. But I do see teams (more than one) paying him a great deal of attention when he is in the game. It's about the team, remember. The heck with what RB does.
 
kbourda said:
See but my point is as long as he creates an ounce of attention while he is on the field the Saints have that side of the battle won. Yeah, shut down Bush but the Saints are 5-1. Can it be attributed to Bush's mere presence? I don't know. But I do see teams (more than one) paying him a great deal of attention when he is in the game. It's about the team, remember. The heck with what RB does.
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That's bull..... a figment of the media's imagination.

You mean to tell me that teams aren't trying to shutdown DueceMcAllister??

Anyway...... let's get off this RB thing, it's stupid. As he has done nothing to make anyone honestly think he would help this team.

Let's get on management, especially that Kubiak guy for passing on Lawrence Moroney. We should have traded down with NewEngland, our #1 overall, for their #1, Their #2 this year, their #6 this year, and next year's number 2. But nooooooo he has to be all uppity, and arrogant and pick a defensive end, when he could have got one of those in the seventh round.
 
Back to Brees
Drew Brees gives the New Orleans Saints what they haven't had at quarterback: a guy who's going to make good decisions on a weekly basis. Unlike Aaron Brooks, Brees has the ability to consistently pull out close games. We saw evidence of that against the Eagles with those two fourth-quarter drives.

With Brees, the Saints now have a guy capable of minimizing bad plays. If the coaching staff calls a play that turns out to be bad against a particular defense, Brees knows to get rid of the ball instead of holding onto it too long for a sack or forcing a bad throw that leads to an interception
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...F?slug=cc-sixpoints101606&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Drew Brees is making the Saints better .. and Duece is running the ball really good.. they would be just fine right now without Bush.

take the RB glasses off.. he is doing just fine, but he isn't the one making the Saints go.. BTW he was on the sideline late in the game yesterday too.
 
Wolf said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...F?slug=cc-sixpoints101606&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Drew Brees is making the Saints better .. and Duece is running the ball really good.. they would be just fine right now without Bush.

take the RB glasses off.. he is doing just fine, but he isn't the one making the Saints go.. BTW he was on the sideline late in the game yesterday too.
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Take your Bush blinders off as well. He leads the league in receptions for a back as a Rookie. He is a huge part of that offense....most rookies don't lead the league in anything but mistakes generally...well, unless you are Earl Campbell.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/RB-RECEIVING/2006/regular
 
Didn't DD come close to leading the league in receptions his rookie year, or am I just exagerrating that in my head?
 
Vinny said:
Take your Bush blinders off as well. He leads the league in receptions for a back as a Rookie. He is a huge part of that offense....most rookies don't lead the league in anything but mistakes generally...well, unless you are Earl Campbell.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/RB-RECEIVING/2006/regular
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:ok:

marquis colston is 11th in league in reception yards (rookie)
Horn is 18th

hmm so saints would be where they were without brees?
Duece is averaging almost 5.0 yards a carry
 
I'm curious as to what the big deal is about him leading the league in receptions, other than showing he plays a part in the offense. With the rest of his stats, that tells me he's getting tons of opportunities to make something happen and not much to show for it.

I just realized something.....this will be the only post I'll place in this thread because I feel it's a good question but I did not realize I was posting about RB in a Mario thread.
 
Vinny said:
Take your Bush blinders off as well. He leads the league in receptions for a back as a Rookie. He is a huge part of that offense....most rookies don't lead the league in anything but mistakes generally...well, unless you are Earl Campbell.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/RB-RECEIVING/2006/regular
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Debateable at best. So he leads in receptions, all that says is that he can catch the ball & nothing more. DD did that all last year & he wasn't getting half the run this guy is getting.
 
Doug said:
I'm curious as to what the big deal is about him leading the league in receptions
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I agree. To me, this is like rushing attempts which is pretty meaningless of
and by itself. Especially if the average yards per rush is like 2.4 yards or something. And I think with Bush, his average yards per reception is also very anemic. But with Bush, it could indicate something more meaningful, which is he's just been so unproductive and unsuccessful as a running back, they can't think of any other way to use him
 
Wolf said:
wow vinny he is great out of 5 games .. lets reserve tickets to HOF
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I never mentioned the HOF you did that....I think minimizing Bush and his impact just make us look like we don't know much about football. I don't think he can run between the tackles but he is a weapon in that offense. To deny it is just a show of ignorance imo.
 
Vinny said:
I never mentioned the HOF you did that....I think minimizing Bush and his impact just make us look like we don't know much about football. I don't think he can run between the tackles but he is a weapon in that offense. To deny it is just a show of ignorance imo.
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Great players make other players around them better...that is the theory you know.
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well Great players go to the HOF you know

I don't deny Bush isn't talented, but people on this board have watched alot of ESPN.. Bush has stats like Eric Metcalf
 
Only in your head....I never said that and stating that someone has played great doesn't equate to the HOF....unless you are voices in Wolfs mind....I guess.
 
Vinny said:
Only in your head....I never said that and stating that someone has played great doesn't equate to the HOF....unless you are voices in Wolfs mind....I guess.
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I never said that you said HOF..

But that is where great players go ;)


hey I was just quoting you
 
Vinny said:
I never mentioned the HOF you did that....I think minimizing Bush and his impact just make us look like we don't know much about football. I don't think he can run between the tackles but he is a weapon in that offense. To deny it is just a show of ignorance imo.
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I agree. Reggie bush is a weapon. Unfortunately, he's a sling-shot playing in a field of tanks. Bush has been all hype so far, nothing more. His stats aren't impressing anybody right now. A few more weeks like this and he'll just be another average player in the NFL.
 
Vinny said:
I never mentioned the HOF you did that....I think minimizing Bush and his impact just make us look like we don't know much about football. I don't think he can run between the tackles but he is a weapon in that offense. To deny it is just a show of ignorance imo.
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Vinny.....Let's be honest here...saying Reggie Bush is the fourth most important piece on that offense is being generous. (probably be discounting some great players on that O-line).

1. Brees
2. McAllister
3. Colston
4. Bush

Looking at it from a straight production stand point...Bush has had the most opportunities and been the least productive when given those opportunites. To deny this is just a show of ignorance imo.

ps - I think to most people Bush has to deliver as hyped...which is..."Best Player of our LIFE TIMES!" a "Once every 40 years type player."....he is none of those.
 
I can read and I never mentioned the HOF. Just don't put words in my mouth please...that gets on my nerves more than most anything. Sorry.....yeah, I'm dysfunctional at times.
 
Mr teX said:
Debateable at best. So he leads in receptions, all that says is that he can catch the ball & nothing more. DD did that all last year & he wasn't getting half the run this guy is getting.
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I am not a ReggieLover, and I'm a bigtime DD booster. But DD as a rookie, starting 10 games & only had 47 receptions, 15 for first downs. Reggie in only 5 games as a "Decoy" has already got 38 catches, for 14 first downs.

First downs keeps your offense on the field, and their offense on the sideline.

I don't doubt Reggie plays a role in that offense, but all this Decoy talk is silly. He's no more a "decoy" than Warrick Dunn. & he doesn't impact the game like a Warrick Dunn.

Had he gone to Atlanta, Washington, Denver, or Greenbay, he would have made a much bigger impact than he has backing up a power runner like Duece.

Sure, they were able to do it at USC, but in College, a player like Adrian Peterson, LadanianTomlinson, KeyshawnJohnson, or MichaelVick is usually much better than every other athlete on the field. At USC, he was third, maybe forth & the other players better than him were usually on his team.

TampaBay was able to do it somewhat, but the TampaBay power game wasn't anything like the N.O. game.
 
thunderkyss said:
I am not a ReggieLover, and I'm a bigtime DD booster. But DD as a rookie, starting 10 games & only had 47 receptions, 15 for first downs. Reggie in only 5 games as a "Decoy" has already got 38 catches, for 14 first downs.
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Well that's nice but DD had 47 1st downs rushing the ball as well because he could actually function as a RB. No doubt RB is playing a role in the Saints success--the question is whether he is playing a role commensurate with his compensation. The other thing is he was supposed to be the big play guy. So far he has been the small play guy and doesn't have a single run over 20 yds.

I find it pretty funny how folks are ignorant if they don't recognize the greatness of Reggie Bush catching a bunch of 7 yd passes but when DD was catching 7 and 8 yd passes he was the downfall of the Texans offense.
 
Reggie Bush? Who's that? I know he doesn't play for the Texans. :shrug:

I thought this thread was about Mario. I know he plays for the Texans.
 
infantrycak said:
Well that's nice but DD had 47 1st downs rushing the ball as well because he could actually function as a RB. No doubt RB is playing a role in the Saints success--the question is whether he is playing a role commensurate with his compensation. The other thing is he was supposed to be the big play guy. So far he has been the small play guy and doesn't have a single run over 20 yds.

I find it pretty funny how folks are ignorant if they don't recognize the greatness of Reggie Bush catching a bunch of 7 yd passes but when DD was catching 7 and 8 yd passes he was the downfall of the Texans offense.
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I don't know if you're putting words in my mouth.. I never wanted Reggie on this team. & I would have played the DD situation just like Kubiak did...... far as I'm concerned, DD is the man.

Someone asked what's the big deal of Reggie leading the league in receptions. I'm just replying that he is making plays, makings first downs, and keeping his team on the field.

I don't believe Reggie is great, or has done anything great. but leading the league in receptions is an accomplishment that shouldn't be minimized. He is helping his team. Kinda like a QB with a 72% even though they've only won one game.
 
I am not a ReggieLover, and I'm a bigtime DD booster. But DD as a rookie, starting 10 games & only had 47 receptions, 15 for first downs. Reggie in only 5 games as a "Decoy" has already got 38 catches, for 14 first downs.

Don't forget the 1031 yds rushing, 4.3 ypc.......................between the tackles at that.
 
If we drafted Reggie Bush and he led the league in number of receptions and had as little rushing yards as he has, everyone would be saying that we should have drafted Vince Young.
 
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