houston texans trade up from second round to position themselves for vince young

[El Tejano]

Whoa........ Vince only get's two years, after being on the bench for 3?? I'm calling foul....... that's not right...... David get's six years as the starter...
If Carr prooves to be a bust, we're starting over.... you still have two probowl recievers, and a running game....... and Sage Rosenfells......

Appearantly to many of you, Carr is already a bust. However, I believe that he hasn't had much to work with so technically the jury is still out on him. And yes he does get a few more years because we have a new system. However, I am not giving him alot of time because of the fact he HAS BEEN WORKING WITH KUBES AND CALHOUN SINCE KUBES WAS HIRED. So he already has an edge.

Last year was not a result of Carr but a result of a bad offensive scheme and horrible coaching. Even Vince wouldn't perform well before UT's offensive Coordinator saw the light.

 

[TreWardTxn]

Culpepper, Mcnabb, and Vick all prove my point. Thay have all been close to the big game because they are very talented QB's who could carry a team. Vince is also extremely talented and can do the same, but every one of those guys has spent a heck of a lot of the time injured on the bench, and every time it happens their teams went right into the garbage. The eagles last year, the falcons for the last two years, and we'll leave the Vikings out of this. But they all share one thing: extremely talented and mobile quarterbacks who are quickly becoming crippled and costing their teams ENTIRE SEASONS.

Be serious now, McNabb got hurt by getting waylaid in the pocket after stepping up to put a pass deep, which tore that hernia. Vick broke his leg behind the line of scrimmage on one of the most fluke looking plays I've ever seen. Culpepper had his knee ripped up trying to make something happen, Palmer's on another fluke looking play. Point being, in football, guys get hurt. Steve Young, Favre, Roethilisberger, Elway, McNair, Kordell Stewart are all guys who moved around a lot but didn't/haven't broken a bone or torn a ligament; you just never know...

 

[BigBull17]

If this team takes one or the other or trades down whatever ill be ok with it. If they trade their whole draft to get two guys in the top 5, ill kick myself in the teeth. That would be about the last staw I could take.

 

[threetoedpete]

i agree, the texans should trade up from the 33 pick to the packers 5th pick the day of the draft. i dont care if they have to give up four picks for vince young it would be worth it. i know that if kubiak developed an athletic winner like vince he will be able to carry us to a super bowl. david carr is still an unproven quarterback who came out of the 2002 draft possibly the worst draft ever. you cant foget the the fact that vince young only lost two college games one of which he only played half the game. also vince had over 3000 yards last year and carried his offense to a national championship . it is true what sports analyst say about his weird throwing motion and the fact he mostly played in a spread out shotgun offense. but if you think thatvince doesnt have what it takes your just plain stupid. hes got heart. anyways reggie bush and vince young would keep defensive coordinators up all night.reggie bush mvp 07 vince mvp 08

Stupid here, lol.....

It's a great thought, and anything can happen. But...
BeerLover has this scenario already up as a mock. It is very doable. However, even if all things were equal and it wasn't VY it was twenty years ago and John Elway, you don't trade away the back bone of a draft, espcially one this deep, even for John Elway. Also, as certain as you are that VY will make the transition, there are many if us on this board that believe it is more than probable that he will not. His warts are so bad, bad habits so ingrained, that no amount of time, no guru coaching, will heal them. You will have to restructure the whole mechanics of an offense just to get him on the feild. Early in a ball game, you can tell if you're going to have one of his fast ball high games by the way he sets his feet. And once that habit is set, it last the whole game. Inaccuracy for a QB is death to the team. I don't believe at this stage of his career you can change the way he throws the football. He is what he is. For you, his warts are ok. For me, it is five years of deadwood, watching a frustrated VY fail. And there's nothing anyone can do about it.
One of the main reasons we're in the postion to even talk about drafting VY is because of the Babin deal. They reached for him and so far, it has not panned out. That loss of tallent for the reach of Babin, along with some other questionalble choices, has brought us full circle to this point in time atop the draft once again. Maybe with Babin's hand back on the ground that will change. This team is as bad as it is because of a lack of overall tallent. The way you get more overall tallent is holding on to your picks and making wise choices with them.

Finally, a very wise man once wrote," You can never go home again." Either know what that means. Or you will live to learn what that means.
Either way, the scenario of VY failing would be too bitter of a cup for me to drink from. If he makes in in Arizona, Tennessee, or Oakland and he kills us in the super bowl, I will eat a lot of crow. But from what I've seen, and the fact that no one is knocking down our doors for the pick, means I'm prety safe from eating humble pie. I lived through forty years of frustration with the Oilers. The quickest way to get to that scenario again, is draft VY. I know you love him. I do too believe it or not. He burried the '69 Texas team. Either you know what that means....Or you don't.

 

[BattleRedGuy]

So let's see. Leinhart only lost two games in three FULL years. And you can match up those three UT and USC teams side by side and they were even.

Sounds like worth a trade up to reunite teammates

 

[TexasDiehard]

To call David Carr "unproven" compared to someone that has never played a down of NFL football is hilarious.

When I think of VY as a Texan, I see him looking very good...on the sideline in a cast, while the texans remain in the cellar relying on a backup quarterback for the rest of the season. If you don't beleive me, look at the Falcons. They were on the verge of the Super Bowl just a couple of years ago on the back of Mike Vick, and now? They have'nt even made the playoffs in a couple of years because Mike Vick can't stay on the field. David Carr has proven his toughness, durability, and leadership in the NFL game. I have seen every Texans game, and Dave has shown that he is at very least capable. I have also had the good fortune of working with Dave on some advertising/PR stuff, and all he talks about is the TEXANS, he want to be under center for that first Texans playoff game worse than anything. And he has proven he is willing to sweat and bleed to get there.

And at least if Reggie is a bust, we still have a proven 1,000 yard rusher in Domanick. What happens when we get vince, and he inevitably gets seriously hurt? David Carr will not stick around and wait. We will be left with a talented but crippled quarterback and once again waiting for the next years draft.

But I'm not worried about that because VINCE YOUNG WILL NOT BE A TEXAN...get over it.:brickwall

WHAT A JOKE!! David Carr is among the biggest busts in the history of the NFL draft but this guy met him so he must be okay. Carr has shown ZERO team leadership, his teammates can't stand him, he is a poor decision maker on the field, he has a lousy work ethic off the field and he has shown absolutely no flashes of potential to be a top 10 NFL QB. The original post here would work if Carr had any trade value to any other team, but he is damaged goods and an overrated joke and McNair cannot admit he screwed up picking Carr and pissing away millions on the guy so he keeps him to try to prove a point that has ZERO chance to succeed. Next year the surrounding cast may be stronger but Carr will continue to be a ball and chain around the Texan's potential.

When the Texans pass on VY, at least 1/2 of the potential fan base will give up on the Texans and their ineptitude because those potential fans are not dumb enough to continue to invest their emotions in a team that cannot make a successful personnel decision and callously ignores their fan base. Over 80% of voters on the Texan's own website poll were pro VY until they took it down. The rest of you clowns can can continue to wallow in McNair's mediocrity and watch VY kick your collective butts for 15 years. "Yes may I have another" can be your motto.

There is something pathetically humorous about watching all you people argue against VY, a guy who may be the best college QB in history and who has the potential to be the best in NFL history, and to simultaneously advocate keeping a guy who has been a huge catastrophy for the Texan franchise by any measure. You people will get exactly what you deserve and the rest of us can enjoy watching the show.

 

[Errant Hothy]

WHAT A JOKE!! David Carr is among the biggest busts in the history of the NFL draft but this guy met him so he must be okay. Carr has shown ZERO team leadership, his teammates can't stand him, he is a poor decision maker on the field, he has a lousy work ethic off the field and he has shown absolutely no flashes of potential to be a top 10 NFL QB. The original post here would work if Carr had any trade value to any other team, but he is damaged goods and an overrated joke and McNair cannot admit he screwed up picking Carr and pissing away millions on the guy so he keeps him to try to prove a point that has ZERO chance to succeed. Next year the surrounding cast may be stronger but Carr will continue to be a ball and chain around the Texan's potential.

When the Texans pass on VY, at least 1/2 of the potential fan base will give up on the Texans and their ineptitude because those potential fans are not dumb enough to continue to invest their emotions in a team that cannot make a successful personnel decision and callously ignores their fan base. Over 80% of voters on the Texan's own website poll were pro VY until they took it down. The rest of you clowns can can continue to wallow in McNair's mediocrity and watch VY kick your collective butts for 15 years. "Yes may I have another" can be your motto.

There is something pathetically humorous about watching all you people argue against VY, a guy who may be the best college QB in history and who has the potential to be the best in NFL history, and to simultaneously advocate keeping a guy who has been a huge catastrophy for the Texan franchise by any measure. You people will get exactly what you deserve and the rest of us can enjoy watching the show.

Good then you and the other 1/2 of the fanbase you speak for can get gone.

I CANNOT wait for Sturday to watch a bunch of marginal fans leave their support for the Texans and go and worship at the foot of one of the NFL's biggest ***holes, Bud Adams ( if VY does not fall further then that, which he may cause both Fischer and Chow, two really bright football guys, think Leinart is the better pick).

So have fun being a fan of a player and not a team, I hope the one guy you root for does well.

 

[wrestler4life]

WHAT A JOKE!! David Carr is among the biggest busts in the history of the NFL draft but this guy met him so he must be okay. Carr has shown ZERO team leadership, his teammates can't stand him, he is a poor decision maker on the field, he has a lousy work ethic off the field and he has shown absolutely no flashes of potential to be a top 10 NFL QB. The original post here would work if Carr had any trade value to any other team, but he is damaged goods and an overrated joke and McNair cannot admit he screwed up picking Carr and pissing away millions on the guy so he keeps him to try to prove a point that has ZERO chance to succeed. Next year the surrounding cast may be stronger but Carr will continue to be a ball and chain around the Texan's potential.

When the Texans pass on VY, at least 1/2 of the potential fan base will give up on the Texans and their ineptitude because those potential fans are not dumb enough to continue to invest their emotions in a team that cannot make a successful personnel decision and callously ignores their fan base. Over 80% of voters on the Texan's own website poll were pro VY until they took it down. The rest of you clowns can can continue to wallow in McNair's mediocrity and watch VY kick your collective butts for 15 years. "Yes may I have another" can be your motto.

There is something pathetically humorous about watching all you people argue against VY, a guy who may be the best college QB in history and who has the potential to be the best in NFL history, and to simultaneously advocate keeping a guy who has been a huge catastrophy for the Texan franchise by any measure. You people will get exactly what you deserve and the rest of us can enjoy watching the show.

Wow...easy there. To call VY the best QB in college ever is a bit of an overstatement and obviously the reason you are so mad.
If you want to stop rooting for the Texans because they did not pick your boyfriend, then go ahead. I am not going to lose sleep because they picked Bush over him. I just hope that they become a better team overall.

 

[Mailman04]

You are quitting the Texans because they didn't pick your boyfriend Vince, Good riddance, see you. I want the Texans to draft the player who will help them the most, not my boyfriend

 

[Maddict5]

i agree, the texans should trade up from the 33 pick to the packers 5th pick the day of the draft. i dont care if they have to give up four picks for vince young it would be worth it. i know that if kubiak developed an athletic winner like vince he will be able to carry us to a super bowl. david carr is still an unproven quarterback who came out of the 2002 draft possibly the worst draft ever. you cant foget the the fact that vince young only lost two college games one of which he only played half the game. also vince had over 3000 yards last year and carried his offense to a national championship . it is true what sports analyst say about his weird throwing motion and the fact he mostly played in a spread out shotgun offense. but if you think thatvince doesnt have what it takes your just plain stupid. hes got heart. anyways reggie bush and vince young would keep defensive coordinators up all night.reggie bush mvp 07 vince mvp 08

my parents just got back from egypt....they said they saw you in denile
seriously though you want us to trade up for a top 5 qb eventhough we only have 4m in cap and it would cost us the rest of our draft plus next year 1st or 2nd.....i think you've played too much madden

 

[TexasDiehard]

Stupid here, lol.....

It's a great thought, and anything can happen. But...
BeerLover has this scenario already up as a mock. It is very doable. However, even if all things were equal and it wasn't VY it was twenty years ago and John Elway, you don't trade away the back bone of a draft, espcially one this deep, even for John Elway. Also, as certain as you are that VY will make the transition, there are many if us on this board that believe it is more than probable that he will not. His warts are so bad, bad habits so ingrained, that no amount of time, no guru coaching, will heal them. You will have to restructure the whole mechanics of an offense just to get him on the feild. Early in a ball game, you can tell if you're going to have one of his fast ball high games by the way he sets his feet. And once that habit is set, it last the whole game. Inaccuracy for a QB is death to the team. I don't believe at this stage of his career you can change the way he throws the football. He is what he is. For you, his warts are ok. For me, it is five years of deadwood, watching a frustrated VY fail. And there's nothing anyone can do about it.
One of the main reasons we're in the postion to even talk about drafting VY is because of the Babin deal. They reached for him and so far, it has not panned out. That loss of tallent for the reach of Babin, along with some other questionalble choices, has brought us full circle to this point in time atop the draft once again. Maybe with Babin's hand back on the ground that will change. This team is as bad as it is because of a lack of overall tallent. The way you get more overall tallent is holding on to your picks and making wise choices with them.

Finally, a very wise man once wrote," You can never go home again." Either know what that means. Or you will live to learn what that means.
Either way, the scenario of VY failing would be too bitter of a cup for me to drink from. If he makes in in Arizona, Tennessee, or Oakland and he kills us in the super bowl, I will eat a lot of crow. But from what I've seen, and the fact that no one is knocking down our doors for the pick, means I'm prety safe from eating humble pie. I lived through forty years of frustration with the Oilers. The quickest way to get to that scenario again, is draft VY. I know you love him. I do too believe it or not. He burried the '69 Texas team. Either you know what that means....Or you don't.

Well at least you got the stupid part right. This may be a deep draft but the Texans have screwed up every draft to date. What make you think they would not screw it up again? Kubiak? Exactly what in his draft picking experience makes you think he will make any difference? The Texans need to go with sure bets and VY is as close to that as they could ever hope to get. VY and RB in the same backfield would be a combination for the ages that would unify the Texan fan base and at least triple its size. I'd bet my football future on VY's ability long before I'd bank on the Texan's drafting ability.

What evidence do you have that VY will not make the transition? He has excelled at everything he has ever done and has lead teams to championships at every level and he has a proven ability to learn and adapt. He is as sure a bet as any QB that has ever come out of college. What makes you think Carr will ever be a top NFL QB?

You don't have to restructure the Texans offense for VY. Kubiak's offense is designed for a dual threat QB and he has been encouraging Carr to run opportunistically to create problems for defenses. VY is a better fit than Carr by a long shot and VY was the top rated passer in the NCAA last year before he went 30 out of 40 passing and gained 475 yards against the "greatest team of all time" in what may have been the biggest college game of all time. Carr by comparison lost 3 games as a senior when his team was favored and has been a bust in the NFL. Only a halfwit would rather have Carr than Young.

Yeah it really worked out bad for Earl, and Akeem, and Nolan, and Roger when they played for local teams.

The problem with the VY & RB scenario is that no one is knocking on our door wanting David Carr.

 

[Errant Hothy]

Well at least you got the stupid part right. This may be a deep draft but the Texans have screwed up every draft to date. What make you think they would not screw it up again? Kubiak? Exactly what in his draft picking experience makes you think he will make any difference? The Texans need to go with sure bets and VY is as close to that as they could ever hope to get. VY and RB in the same backfield would be a combination for the ages that would unify the Texan fan base and at least triple its size. I'd bet my football future on VY's ability long before I'd bank on the Texan's drafting ability.

What evidence do you have that VY will not make the transition? He has excelled at everything he has ever done and has lead teams to championships at every level and he has a proven ability to learn and adapt. He is as sure a bet as any QB that has ever come out of college. What makes you think Carr will ever be a top NFL QB?

You don't have to restructure the Texans offense for VY. Kubiak's offense is designed for a dual threat QB and he has been encouraging Carr to run opportunistically to create problems for defenses. VY is a better fit than Carr by a long shot and VY was the top rated passer in the NCAA last year before he went 30 out of 40 passing and gained 475 yards against the "greatest team of all time" in what may have been the biggest college game of all time. Carr by comparison lost 3 games as a senior when his team was favored and has been a bust in the NFL. Only a halfwit would rather have Carr than Young.

Yeah it really worked out bad for Earl, and Akeem, and Nolan, and Roger when they played for local teams.

The problem with the VY & RB scenario is that no one is knocking on our door wanting David Carr.

Explain to me how the Texnas have screwed up all of their drafts. And if you can do it without bringing up Derrick Johnson I'd be shocked. An All-pro and an OROY, both in teh fourth, lead me to beleive you're being blinded by something.

Even if Carr had the kinda of trade value needed to get both RB and VY, how would the team afford to pay 2 top five draft picks, and absorb Carr's cap hit?

And VY is not a sure bet, no player is. Most (the guys who cover the draft for a living) feel that Reggie is the closet thing to a sure thing in the draft in decades.

 

[TreWardTxn]

Stupid here, lol.....

Also, as certain as you are that VY will make the transition, there are many if us on this board that believe it is more than probable that he will not. His warts are so bad, bad habits so ingrained, that no amount of time, no guru coaching, will heal them. You will have to restructure the whole mechanics of an offense just to get him on the feild. Early in a ball game, you can tell if you're going to have one of his fast ball high games by the way he sets his feet. And once that habit is set, it last the whole game. Inaccuracy for a QB is death to the team. I don't believe at this stage of his career you can change the way he throws the football. He is what he is.

So I guess a rally-from-behind, team leader, championship winner type of guy isn't one you would want for your QB? Yeah, college is over, but some of those things translate to the next level, remaining calm, being focused, performing under intense pressure.

What people don't understand about Young is that he has acheived this much without being truly coached. He didn't have any professional QB coaching in high school like Leinart, Greg Davis and Mack Brown haven't developed a QB since they've been at Texas, Chris Simms is case in point, and Young's potential dwarfs his. Yeah, he will likely throw the same way throughout his career, that won't inhibit his ability to make plays. But as far as all that stuff about setting feet, making reads, those are things that every QB needs to learn, including our current one.

You are operating from the standpoint that Young can't/will not get better. He's already demonstrated he can take 3-5-7 step drops and deliver passes. Footwork and all that comes with NFL coaching...

 

[Texas_Thrill]

this ranks right up there with my bonehead threads of the year....(and its only april.)

 

[Mailman04]

This is a dumb thread. Texans have said they aren't taking Vince Young, I don;t know how much clearer they could be on this subject and then we see this bonehead thread on here.

 

[Janus3]

this is why i hate UT fans.

 

[Cupps]

I really have never felt one way or another about UT or Vince Young, but all of this blind devotion and thought that VY is the next coming of Jesus H. Christ himself bothers me. In fact, over the past several months, I've gone from impartial to VY (and Bush isn't my first choice in the draft) to not being able to stand him and wanting to see him drafted by some crappy team and become a huge bust just to shut some people up.

That said, I feel the need to blow off some steam by recapping and busting so myths that seem to be plaguing our boards.

Some things, that despite popular belief on these boards, that are NOT FACTS:

*Vince Young will have an awesome career and win 672 Super Bowls and go undefeated and win for the next 32 seasons.

*Vince Young invented the college quarterback position and as such is the greatest thing since the forward pass to come out of football.

*Despite the face that running quarterbacks have no proven that they can compete at an elite level in the NFL (and I don't care how much Vick can run, he simply CANNOT pass well enough to make Atlanta a solid threat), Young is not affected by this and will be unstoppable in the NFL.

*Even though he was outrunning the 40th ranked USC defense in the Rose Bowl and passing and running against significantly slower defenses in college, he will always be infinitely faster than an NFL defense and simply run circles around them befopre throwing a spot-on, perfectly spiraled 65-yard pass.

*David Carr, despite playing behind an O-line that seemingly NO QB could survive and without many offensive weapons, is an utter bust and could never play even competently.

*Vince Young, however, could not possibly lose. No offensive line, no professionaly experience, no real coaching... these are not pertinent to the arguement.

*If we traded every draft pick and every playor on our roster, and only fielded Young... we'd still finish at least 10-6, and win a wild card spot. Not even a question.

*Also, lastly and perhaps most importantly: SDespite neither player having played in the NFL before, and both receiving equal hype, and Bush considered by many, many, many experts to be a once-in-a-lifetime player, Bush is already a major bust who won't last a single season while Young is GUARANTEED to be Pro Bowl calibur for at least, AT LEAST, 32 seasons.

The End... (BTW, I want us to draft Williams or trade down)

 

[Hardcore Texan]

WHAT A JOKE!! David Carr is among the biggest busts in the history of the NFL draft but this guy met him so he must be okay. Carr has shown ZERO team leadership, his teammates can't stand him, he is a poor decision maker on the field, he has a lousy work ethic off the field and he has shown absolutely no flashes of potential to be a top 10 NFL QB. The original post here would work if Carr had any trade value to any other team, but he is damaged goods and an overrated joke and McNair cannot admit he screwed up picking Carr and pissing away millions on the guy so he keeps him to try to prove a point that has ZERO chance to succeed. Next year the surrounding cast may be stronger but Carr will continue to be a ball and chain around the Texan's potential.

When the Texans pass on VY, at least 1/2 of the potential fan base will give up on the Texans and their ineptitude because those potential fans are not dumb enough to continue to invest their emotions in a team that cannot make a successful personnel decision and callously ignores their fan base. Over 80% of voters on the Texan's own website poll were pro VY until they took it down. The rest of you clowns can can continue to wallow in McNair's mediocrity and watch VY kick your collective butts for 15 years. "Yes may I have another" can be your motto.

There is something pathetically humorous about watching all you people argue against VY, a guy who may be the best college QB in history and who has the potential to be the best in NFL history, and to simultaneously advocate keeping a guy who has been a huge catastrophy for the Texan franchise by any measure. You people will get exactly what you deserve and the rest of us can enjoy watching the show.

What a Joke, this post is the dumbest I have seen in the history of the message board.

Another post straight from the "YOU CAN'T SPELL VICTORY WITHOUT VY" crowd, screaming it all over town.

I guess you can evaluate talent better than Gary Kubiak, we better let him know that his job is in jeopardy because you have been rubbing your crystal ball and can see the future or maybe it is your extensive NFL coaching experience you are relying on. Kubiak made the call to extend Carr, he is the coach, it is over and done.

Get over it, we aren't drafting VY. And get behind your team and the decision they made and try and support them.

I am VY fan and a UT fan, but the Texans are my favorite team, and VY is not the answer for us. And you are making all UT/VY fans look bad, like we don't want the best for our Texans.

 

[NinerPheen]

Another last-ditch, mostly illiterate pro-VY post that successfuly avoids virtually any appearance of logical thought.

Only 5 days to go ... :brickwall

Haha, theyre everywhere.

 

[NinerPheen]

Some things, that despite popular belief on these boards, that are NOT FACTS:

*Despite the face that running quarterbacks have no proven that they can compete at an elite level in the NFL (and I don't care how much Vick can run, he simply CANNOT pass well enough to make Atlanta a solid threat), Young is not affected by this and will be unstoppable in the NFL.

So damn True

*Even though he was outrunning the 40th ranked USC defense in the Rose Bowl and passing and running against significantly slower defenses in college, he will always be infinitely faster than an NFL defense and simply run circles around them befopre throwing a spot-on, perfectly spiraled 65-yard pass.

Problem will be solved by 1 QB spy. Just try running around on people like Ray Lewis.

*David Carr, despite playing behind an O-line that seemingly NO QB could survive and without many offensive weapons, is an utter bust and could never play even competently.

I think Carr is good (probably because im not a Texan fan). But, i here the same arguements against Alex Smith. With the lines that our teams have, Peyton Manning would look like Ryan Leaf.

*Vince Young, however, could not possibly lose. No offensive line, no professionaly experience, no real coaching... these are not pertinent to the arguement.

He'll take forever to develop and wont win a superbowl.

Vince Young, Ha.

 

[thunderkyss]

I really have never felt one way or another about UT or Vince Young, but all of this blind devotion and thought that VY is the next coming of Jesus H. Christ himself bothers me. In fact, over the past several months, I've gone from impartial to VY (and Bush isn't my first choice in the draft) to not being able to stand him and wanting to see him drafted by some crappy team and become a huge bust just to shut some people up.

That said, I feel the need to blow off some steam by recapping and busting so myths that seem to be plaguing our boards.

Funny thing is they are saying the exact same thing about Reggie Bush...... the exact same thing. But none of it's hype??

Yet you don't find it as annoying....

 

[thunderkyss]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cupps
Some things, that despite popular belief on these boards, that are NOT FACTS:

*Despite the face that running quarterbacks have no proven that they can compete at an elite level in the NFL (and I don't care how much Vick can run, he simply CANNOT pass well enough to make Atlanta a solid threat), Young is not affected by this and will be unstoppable in the NFL.

So damn True

You do know McNabb has gotten closer to the SuperBowl than Peyton Manning don't you?? & that's with less talent at all positions...... heck, he made it to the superbowl with only one true recieving threat

*Even though he was outrunning the 40th ranked USC defense in the Rose Bowl and passing and running against significantly slower defenses in college, he will always be infinitely faster than an NFL defense and simply run circles around them befopre throwing a spot-on, perfectly spiraled 65-yard pass.

Problem will be solved by 1 QB spy. Just try running around on people like Ray Lewis.

You do understand if Vince has reduced Ray Lewis to a spy role, he's done his job right?? DD, & Putz would really appreciate that. & if Reggie was on our team, he'd really really like for Ray Lewis to spy David Carr

*David Carr, despite playing behind an O-line that seemingly NO QB could survive and without many offensive weapons, is an utter bust and could never play even competently.

I think Carr is good (probably because im not a Texan fan). But, i here the same arguements against Alex Smith. With the lines that our teams have, Peyton Manning would look like Ryan Leaf.

Well, if I were a Carr/Smith fan, I'd say the same thing. You put Peyton Manning behind our line, with AJ, and he will beat the blitz 9 times out of 10. To date, there are only three teams good enough to make Peyton look like Carr

*Vince Young, however, could not possibly lose. No offensive line, no professionaly experience, no real coaching... these are not pertinent to the arguement.

He'll take forever to develop and wont win a superbowl.

& how exactly is that different than what we have now??

 

[Texas]

We simply dont have the $$