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houston texans trade up from second round to position themselves for vince young

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i agree, the texans should trade up from the 33 pick to the packers 5th pick the day of the draft. i dont care if they have to give up four picks for vince young it would be worth it. i know that if kubiak developed an athletic winner like vince he will be able to carry us to a super bowl. david carr is still an unproven quarterback who came out of the 2002 draft possibly the worst draft ever. you cant foget the the fact that vince young only lost two college games one of which he only played half the game. also vince had over 3000 yards last year and carried his offense to a national championship . it is true what sports analyst say about his weird throwing motion and the fact he mostly played in a spread out shotgun offense. but if you think thatvince doesnt have what it takes your just plain stupid. hes got heart. anyways reggie bush and vince young would keep defensive coordinators up all night.reggie bush mvp 07 vince mvp 08
 
Hardcore Texan said:
Never happen, too costly, plus we need those other picks to address other key areas, especially an O-lineman with #33.
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I agree. It would be nice to trade up but we have needs and considering the drop off in talent after the first 15 picks or so it would be wise to stay in the second unless we can come up that high.

But if you are fantasizing well, it would be a good deal for us because even if Young is gone by #6, you can still pick up AJ Hawk or someone.

Oh by the way. Your Title to your post made me spill my drink at my desk because I thought you were saying they actually did this.
 
Another last-ditch, mostly illiterate pro-VY post that successfuly avoids virtually any appearance of logical thought.

Only 5 days to go ... :brickwall
 
I am a Vince Supporter.... a Vince politician........ a Vince Homer.

I've painted my car burnt orange, with a big "10" on both doors.......

But I would never, never.......... never ever ever ever......... do anything like that.

My whole contention is that a QB, like Vince comes along every so often...... I'm thinking McNabb/Culpepper, with the leadership of Troy Aikman/Joe Montana.

If you are in a position to get him, you do it. Until then, play the game with your Bledsoes..... your Plummers........ your David Carrs......

But there is so much Risk in these players, that I would never trade up, over extend myself to take such a player.... If we needed to move from 10 to 5..... I can see that. But not from 33.......... no way. Not me, not for Vince.
 
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i agree, the texans should trade up from the 33 pick to the packers 5th pick the day of the draft. i dont care if they have to give up four picks for vince young it would be worth it. i know that if kubiak developed an athletic winner like vince he will be able to carry us to a super bowl. david carr is still an unproven quarterback who came out of the 2002 draft possibly the worst draft ever. you cant foget the the fact that vince young only lost two college games one of which he only played half the game. also vince had over 3000 yards last year and carried his offense to a national championship . it is true what sports analyst say about his weird throwing motion and the fact he mostly played in a spread out shotgun offense. but if you think thatvince doesnt have what it takes your just plain stupid. hes got heart. anyways reggie bush and vince young would keep defensive coordinators up all night.reggie bush mvp 07 vince mvp 08
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Wow!! What a new an original argument. I haven't heard any of these claims in campaigning for Vince for the past, what has it been, two or three years now.

They're not taking Vince. Even if they traded up to the fifth pick in the first round, it wouldn't be to take Vince. The more people hold on to the hope of drafting Vince, the more pissed people are gonna be on draft day. He's gonna be a good nfl quarterback, but it won't be in Houston.
 
I see us trading up in down a lot with our other selections this year. I think we stay at #1 overall though. I just don't see a likely scenario where this team gets Bush and Young this season. Ain't going to happen.
 
I see this as likely as VY running to his left and completeing a pass (which if you've wathced alot of tape you'd know that it rarely happens). All of VY's highlight runs have him going to his right.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I see this as likely as VY running to his left and completeing a pass (which if you've wathced alot of tape you'd know that it rarely happens). All of VY's highlight runs have him going to his right.
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all??
 
David Carr is unproven, but Vince isn't? Get over it, Houston isn't wasting a pick on Vince Young, much less four picks.
 
jayseed2002 said:
If they could do that...... I would never gripe about paying $10 per beer!!!! Some way.... they have got to get Young...... or they will be kicking themselves in the butt for the next 12 years!
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I'd agree 100 % except that I think Vince will be an NFL superstar for many more than 12 years.

All this insane blather and TV hype about little Reggie make me have nightmares that the Houston Texans will screw this up.

It's obvious why Vince Young must be the choice for the Houston Texans

1. The fans: Vince Young is LITERALLY a Texan from Houston.

The Houston Texans will stop being the other NFL team in Texas instantly. Pick anybody else, and the Texans will continue to be subordinate to the real team in Texas. Has anybody noticed that men, women, and children all over the state are wearing replicas of Vince’s #10 college jersey. The immense majority of fans in the state of Texas want Vince Young to stay here.

2. The superstar: Vince Young is a once-in-a-lifetime talent.

All the naysayers at ESPN seem concerned that Vince Young is too talented: Too big, too fast, too powerful and accurate a passer, to effective a leader, too capable under pressure. What are these people smoking? ESPN ranked Texas number 1 for the coming NCAA season if Vince stayed with the Longhorns, but out of the top ten without him!
Does their boss have a kid at USC? What’s going on?

3. The career: Only a great QB can turn a losing team into a winner.

RBs, DBs, and so on, do not turn teams around. There are noRBs like Barry Sanders, Eric Dickersons, OJs, and the like available this year. But even if someone like them were, such an RB wouldn’t make the difference. Look at NFL history, for goodness sake!

But look at QBs. The great ones transform teams. Vince Young is as big as Big Ben, as good a passer as Marino, and as effective a runner as Michael Vick. Young’s teammates from middle school on up have loved him and trusted him, and he’s made his teams winners.
 
thunderkyss said:
all??
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The rollouots that included the pass...yes ALL of them are to the right side of the feild. Can he run left...most certainly; can he run left then throw...I don't know, as he might be able to but he doesn't do it in games very often, and when he does it never makes the highlights.

It's probably something he just needs to work on.
 
Vince already put on a Titans jersey on a visit to a Houston area school. He's out.

J/K I want him but Bush will be our man.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
The rollouots that included the pass...yes ALL of them are to the right side of the feild. Can he run left...most certainly; can he run left then throw...I don't know, as he might be able to but he doesn't do it in games very often, and when he does it never makes the highlights.

It's probably something he just needs to work on.
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Not to slam you, because I'm also not sold on the greatness of VY...

But most people have a hard time running to the left and throwing, if they throw right handed, and most people have a hard time running to the right and throwing if they throw left handed.

Throwing cross-body while running is pretty hard.

Now to the originator of this thread:

Anyways, my knock against VY is apples-to-apples he doesn't compare to how Reggie Bush has graded out with all the scouts and rankings analysts.

All of these guys could be busts...but I'd wager real money on Bush in terms of "who" has the best chance to succeed (1) right away, and (2)against any opponent, and (3) for a long duration.

I see VY needing at least one full season (ala Eli Manning) before he's ready for what NFL defenses throw at QBs. Being a QB might as well be the equivalent of being a bull rider: Lots of glory, but high risk for injury.

It's going to be Bush if the contract is right...or it will be a trade. And the trade won;t be for Vince Young. I get it, I really do: VY is a talented player and I won't knock him. But he's not right for this Texans team. It's all about timing, and he's come along at the wrong time. Carr is the guy according to our ownership and GM, and it's why Capers was fired and Kubiak was hired. Period.
 
The only trades left IMO if we keep the #1 pick, would be to package our #66, and #98 to move back into the mid 2rd.But as far as moving up to get Vince. We don't have that kind of $$$$$$$$ for 1,and don't think we want to leave this draft with only 2 picks,because it would cost us the rest of what we have to do it. Not worth it!!
 
El Tejano said:
Vince already put on a Titans jersey on a visit to a Houston area school. He's out.

J/K I want him but Bush will be our man.
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Is this true?

So the guy wore a Titans jersey IN HOUSTON AT A HOUSTON AREA SCHOOL?

I already have one knock on his character for the report that he's already charging for his autograph...now this?

Tell me that remark was a joke. Please.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
The rollouots that included the pass...yes ALL of them are to the right side of the feild. Can he run left...most certainly; can he run left then throw...I don't know, as he might be able to but he doesn't do it in games very often, and when he does it never makes the highlights.

It's probably something he just needs to work on.
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The Video Casserly Doesn't Want you to see

I can't watch this highlight today for some reason, but I watched it just the other day. I think one of the first passes, Vince rolls left, and delivers a nice pass to a well defended WR.....

Then later, there is one where he rolls left, sets his feet, and drops a 50/60 yard bomb where the reciever doesn't break stride. I'm pretty sure he went left.
 
thunderkyss said:
The Video Casserly Doesn't Want you to see

I can't watch this highlight today for some reason, but I watched it just the other day. I think one of the first passes, Vince rolls left, and delivers a nice pass to a well defended WR.....

Then later, there is one where he rolls left, sets his feet, and drops a 50/60 yard bomb where the reciever doesn't break stride. I'm pretty sure he went left.
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Nope...sorry.

There is asingle pass where Vy takes a couple of steps to his left, resets his feet not once but twice and thorws to a receiver all by his lonesome; and he had all day to do it (it was during the OU game). Sill have yet to see VY roll to his left and throw on the run. Going to his rigth he's deadly to his left...not so good.

gpshafer_1976 said:
Not to slam you, because I'm also not sold on the greatness of VY...

But most people have a hard time running to the left and throwing, if they throw right handed, and most people have a hard time running to the right and throwing if they throw left handed.

Throwing cross-body while running is pretty hard.
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No doubt, it's more of a reaction to the VY fanboyism. Man I can;t wait for Sunday, then this will all be over, except the cryin'.
 
there have always been great players that will lead a team to a super bowl but every nfl team drafts to what will make the team better. would vince make the texans better yes but david carr isnt that bad and with a better O-line or even adding bush to the back field will make the texans better then they would be with vince young.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Is this true?

So the guy wore a Titans jersey IN HOUSTON AT A HOUSTON AREA SCHOOL?

I already have one knock on his character for the report that he's already charging for his autograph...now this?

Tell me that remark was a joke. Please.
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i saw it. it was some news story in houston. a middle school invited him to give a speech to the kids, and he did so wearing a titans' bo scaife jersey. a pretty big FU to the texans.
 
Texanfannick said:
there have always been great players that will lead a team to a super bowl but every nfl team drafts to what will make the team better. would Reggie make the texans better yes but Domanick Davis isnt that bad and with a better O-line or even adding Vince as the back field will make the texans better then they would be with Reggie Bush.
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Just so you can see what we're thinking, I changed a few words.
 
jayseed2002 said:
There are some intangibles that only a few possess........ Vince will WIN for many years in this league...... Reggie will be good, but Vince will be great!
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Give us a break...

And you know this how?

VY will have a broken leg by his 3rd year...
 
wow that video in this was a really good running qb, not much of a passer though. Couple days left and you can watch Vince go to whatever team he goes to. Impressive keeping the hope alive though.
 
They should trade Andre Johnson and get a Longhorn> They should trade every player on this team not from Texas for someone from Texas and then maybe some of you would be happy.
 
El Amigo Invisible said:
That is a very nice thing to say .Reggie will be broken by the third game behind our line.
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I'm getting sick of this slandering the other guy arguments. Can no one support both, but prefer the other. I don't mean to call you out personally, but your post was the latest. I haven't looked at your post history so you may make good arguments.

I hate political races for the very reason that politicians argue not that they are the best guy for the job, but because the other guy just happens to be worse than them. Please, stick to the real issues.

Edit: Oh, and the trading up is a terrible idea, I've written a few posts on the idea, so you can check my post history, but a quick recap, I hate losing draft picks, it would kill our salary cap, and it would cause inner team turmoil.
 
yeah and as an out of state fan of the Texans who hates the Longhorns I am getting tired of people acting as if Vince Young is who they should take with this pick>
 
Mailman04 said:
They should trade Andre Johnson and get a Longhorn> They should trade every player on this team not from Texas for someone from Texas and then maybe some of you would be happy.
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a caller to 610 just said he'd be wearing a Titans jersey when they visit because of passing on Vince, passing on DJ, and the Texans timed David Carr's extension to steal the thunder from UT's Rose Bowl victory .... Hook em
 
Good for that fan Chuckm. he isn't a Texans fan so maybe he will wear that Titans jersey the year around. Downward Hookem horns sign.
 
what part of they are going to take Reggie Bush or Mario Williams do you not understand? They aren't taking Vince, that isn't an option right now per everyone except some poster who started this thread
 
Texans86 said:
I'm getting sick of this slandering the other guy arguments. Can no one support both, but prefer the other. I don't mean to call you out personally, but your post was the latest. I haven't looked at your post history so you may make good arguments.

I hate political races for the very reason that politicians argue not that they are the best guy for the job, but because the other guy just happens to be worse than them. Please, stick to the real issues.

Edit: Oh, and the trading up is a terrible idea, I've written a few posts on the idea, so you can check my post history, but a quick recap, I hate losing draft picks, it would kill our salary cap, and it would cause inner team turmoil.
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I guess his point question was about durability. If he wants to question Vince's durability than I have the right to question Reggie's.
 
Here is my take on it about who makes our team better. Say we get Vince and he's a bust after two years. That would set our team back alot more because now we don't have the qb we thought we had twice.

If Bush comes in and is a bust at RB but is an awesome receiver well you aren't that bad off because you still have DD who has played remarkably well since his rookie season. If Bush is a bust at all, well you still have DD and based on what you have now, you still have two Pro Bowl receivers to rely on.

That is why with the #1 pick in the draft you don't go for need. Bush is a safer pick than many think. Yeah he is going to cost alot. Both he and us have earned that right. If he works out, it will be the biggest thing though.
 
To back up what most of you are saying, a trade from #33 to #5 is nearly impossible for the Texans.

If you go by the draft value chart, pick #5 is worth 1700 points. Pick #33 is worth 265. If you add the value of the Texans entire draft except for #1, your total is about 658 points.

The only way for the Texans to get the #5 pick without giving up the #1 is to trade your entire draft for 06 and your first for 07 and maybe even a conditional 2nd in 07 or throw in a current player.

Not only that, but there's no guarantee Vince Young lasts past #3 overall this year.

**edit** my calculator isn't working right today! haha. The Texans could trade their entire draft except for #1 this year and get to somewhere around #11. Then you could throw in only next year's first. It's still not going to happen, though. This would be the equivalent of the Ricky Williams debacle in New Orleans. Maybe even a little worse.
 
chuckm said:
a caller to 610 just said he'd be wearing a Titans jersey when they visit because of passing on Vince, passing on DJ, and the Texans timed David Carr's extension to steal the thunder from UT's Rose Bowl victory .... Hook em
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:rofl:

Does this supposed 'Texan fan?' really think anyone gives a rats *** what he/she wears?

Couldn't care less if they go naked, hell, might as well if they are that determined to show their ***.

If they are really wanting to make a statement..move to Nashville, sounds like a good fit.

Steal the thunder from TUs Rose Bowl? :rolleyes:

What a joke some of the TUs fans are turning out to be.

:coffee:
 
To call David Carr "unproven" compared to someone that has never played a down of NFL football is hilarious.

When I think of VY as a Texan, I see him looking very good...on the sideline in a cast, while the texans remain in the cellar relying on a backup quarterback for the rest of the season. If you don't beleive me, look at the Falcons. They were on the verge of the Super Bowl just a couple of years ago on the back of Mike Vick, and now? They have'nt even made the playoffs in a couple of years because Mike Vick can't stay on the field. David Carr has proven his toughness, durability, and leadership in the NFL game. I have seen every Texans game, and Dave has shown that he is at very least capable. I have also had the good fortune of working with Dave on some advertising/PR stuff, and all he talks about is the TEXANS, he want to be under center for that first Texans playoff game worse than anything. And he has proven he is willing to sweat and bleed to get there.

And at least if Reggie is a bust, we still have a proven 1,000 yard rusher in Domanick. What happens when we get vince, and he inevitably gets seriously hurt? David Carr will not stick around and wait. We will be left with a talented but crippled quarterback and once again waiting for the next years draft.

But I'm not worried about that because VINCE YOUNG WILL NOT BE A TEXAN...get over it.:brickwall
 
Wow this is deff a set up thread. Bush-Bandwagon starts a thread about Vince, and spends 40 to 50 replys bashing the guy, what a buch of loosers.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Nope...sorry.

There is asingle pass where Vy takes a couple of steps to his left, resets his feet not once but twice and thorws to a receiver all by his lonesome; and he had all day to do it (it was during the OU game). Sill have yet to see VY roll to his left and throw on the run. Going to his rigth he's deadly to his left...not so good.
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You're right, I only saw one where he rolled left, reset, then threw that strike to the wide open reciever in stride.

PokerStar said:
wow that video in this was a really good running qb, not much of a passer though. Couple days left and you can watch Vince go to whatever team he goes to. Impressive keeping the hope alive though.
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Yeah..... there were four plays out of 11, that were "designed" run plays. Of the other 7, only two, were runs were there wasn't a defender in the backfield. One, Vince was a wide reciever. and on one, he completes a pass to the third guy he identifies, with two defenders hanging from his ankles, and one wraped around his waist.



Mailman04 said:
They should trade Andre Johnson and get a Longhorn> They should trade every player on this team not from Texas for someone from Texas and then maybe some of you would be happy.
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shhhheeeeewwww...... I'm glad somebody said it..... I'm getting tired of all these Golden Boy/Pretty boys on our team.
Mailman04 said:
yeah and as an out of state fan of the Texans who hates the Longhorns I am getting tired of people acting as if Vince Young is who they should take with this pick>
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I don't see why this is a problem..... that's what fans do.
 
El Tejano said:
Here is my take on it about who makes our team better. Say we get Vince and he's a bust after two years. That would set our team back alot more because now we don't have the qb we thought we had twice.
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Whoa........ Vince only get's two years, after being on the bench for 3?? I'm calling foul....... that's not right...... David get's six years as the starter...
El Tejano said:
If Bush comes in and is a bust at RB but is an awesome receiver well you aren't that bad off because you still have DD who has played remarkably well since his rookie season. If Bush is a bust at all, well you still have DD and based on what you have now, you still have two Pro Bowl receivers to rely on.
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If Carr prooves to be a bust, we're starting over.... you still have two probowl recievers, and a running game....... and Sage Rosenfells......
El Tejano said:
That is why with the #1 pick in the draft you don't go for need. Bush is a safer pick than many think. Yeah he is going to cost alot. Both he and us have earned that right. If he works out, it will be the biggest thing though.
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Are you saying we need a Quarterback, but shouldn't draft as if we do??
Rocky79 said:
To call David Carr "unproven" compared to someone that has never played a down of NFL football is hilarious.
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Let's see...... they are both unproven...... one has been in the league for 4 years... no, I don't call that even.... Vince wins this round.
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When I think of VY as a Texan, I see him looking very good...on the sideline in a cast, while the texans remain in the cellar relying on a backup quarterback for the rest of the season. If you don't beleive me, look at the Falcons. They were on the verge of the Super Bowl just a couple of years ago on the back of Mike Vick, and now? They have'nt even made the playoffs in a couple of years because Mike Vick can't stay on the field.
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True......... but....
McNabb's been to three NFC Championship games.... Culpepper one, Vick one... McNabbs been to the Super bowl.......... How many times have these guys gone to the probowl??

Now compare this to how many times Tim Couch, & Ryan Leaf has gone to the NFC/AFC championship game, or the probowl.
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David Carr has proven his toughness, durability, and leadership in the NFL game. I have seen every Texans game, and Dave has shown that he is at very least capable.
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toughness & durability, I'll give you that.
To me, to date..... he has not shown to be any more capable than Tim Couch... I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion...
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I have also had the good fortune of working with Dave on some advertising/PR stuff, and all he talks about is the TEXANS, he want to be under center for that first Texans playoff game worse than anything. And he has proven he is willing to sweat and bleed to get there.
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There have been a lot of blood, sweat & tears, shed by a lot of people who are no longer in the NFL now, that haven't gone anywhere either.
Rocky79 said:
And at least if Reggie is a bust, we still have a proven 1,000 yard rusher in Domanick. What happens when we get vince, and he inevitably gets seriously hurt? David Carr will not stick around and wait. We will be left with a talented but crippled quarterback and once again waiting for the next years draft.
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What are we going to do if Carr gets seriously hurt??
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But I'm not worried about that because VINCE YOUNG WILL NOT BE A TEXAN...get over it.:brickwall
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I'm over it, I'm fine. I'm not banging my head against any brick wall..... you guys seem to be taking this harder than anyone else.

Today, there are many folks who think we should've taken Julius Peppers...... we didn't, but I'm sure they still think they were right.
 
Culpepper, Mcnabb, and Vick all prove my point. Thay have all been close to the big game because they are very talented QB's who could carry a team. Vince is also extremely talented and can do the same, but every one of those guys has spent a heck of a lot of the time injured on the bench, and every time it happens their teams went right into the garbage. The eagles last year, the falcons for the last two years, and we'll leave the Vikings out of this. But they all share one thing: extremely talented and mobile quarterbacks who are quickly becoming crippled and costing their teams ENTIRE SEASONS.

Vince seems like a good guy, and I respect that he want's to play for the texans. And I wish it was possible, but it's not. And I suspect we will only have to regret not getting Vince for about five years, before he is a broken down backup.

But maybe they can assign Randall Cunningham as his NFL mentor to at least prepare him.
 
Rocky79 said:
Culpepper, Mcnabb, and Vick all prove my point. Thay have all been close to the big game because they are very talented QB's who could carry a team. Vince is also extremely talented and can do the same, but every one of those guys has spent a heck of a lot of the time injured on the bench, and every time it happens their teams went right into the garbage. The eagles last year, the falcons for the last two years, and we'll leave the Vikings out of this. But they all share one thing: extremely talented and mobile quarterbacks who are quickly becoming crippled and costing their teams ENTIRE SEASONS.

Vince seems like a good guy, and I respect that he want's to play for the texans. And I wish it was possible, but it's not. And I suspect we will only have to regret not getting Vince for about five years, before he is a broken down backup.

But maybe they can assign Randall Cunningham as his NFL mentor to at least prepare him.
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would you rather have that or an untalented qb who is oft sacked and wont get you close to the big game?
 
swtbound07 said:
would you rather have that or an untalented qb who is oft sacked and wont get you close to the big game?
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Rocky79 said:
extremely talented and mobile quarterbacks who are quickly becoming crippled and costing their teams ENTIRE SEASONS.
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Arn't they essentally the same?
 
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