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Houston Texans Player Contracts

MorKnolle said:
Too bad we didn't hire a consultant to help draw up the terms of some of these free agent signings and draft picks.
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Good post Mork. I don't understand why Casserly or who ever signed some mediocre players to long term contracts. I understand the concept of wanting to lock in on decent players on contracts to keep them on your team, but signing so so players for big money through 2008/2009????????

Bobby 119C:brickwall
 
O-line

Mckinney gets dumped easily. Id take the hit next year to dump Wade. If we are ever going to build a credible line we need to start eliminating some of the rubbish money we are throwing at this substandard group. Elimintating McKinney cuts Wade's cap hit in half. Washington's cap situation dictates we cut him, since its almost a mil to keep and 170k to dump. Id give Weary a pink slip too. Easy to dump. This shakes up our shoddy line, giving us room for a solid free agent and a second and third rounder in the draft.

D-line

What waste of money being thrown at these guys.

We cant do anything with Walker because of his figure, so we have to look at dumping Payne and Deloach. We only gain a million cap wise letting them go, but Robaire, Johnson and Walker are either keepers or immovable.

Beyond this Coleman, PBuc, Hollings, Bradford, Armstrong, Banks should all be looking for other employment options.
 
Here is the contract situation of our players again. Moderators, is there a way we can sticky this so people can reference it more easily?
 
MorKnolle said:
Here is the contract situation of our players again. Moderators, is there a way we can sticky this so people can reference it more easily?
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Fair request as the off-season is upon us.

Making note to sticky for offseason, with an eventual move to the archive thread.
 
MorKnolle said:
Domanick Davis......$3,806,160 to keep, $8,424,640 if cut/traded, 25 years old, signed thru 2009: Whether people like it or not we've signe him as our franchise RB.
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Could someone please explain how it will cost us $8,424,640 to cut Domanick Davis? I'm not saying that we should cut him, but this number sounds much too high to be correct. According to ESPN, we signed Domanick to a 5 year contract that is worth $22 Million with $8 Million in guaranteed money. We have already paid 1 year of this extension which means that we have taken $1.6 Million off of the books. That would mean that we have $6.4 Million left to account for. And when you cut a player after June 1st, you can spread the cap hit over 2 years which means that we would have a $3.2 Million hit next season and a $3.2 Million hit in two seasons.

Now if your figures are right, that means that we gave Domanick Davis $21,061,600 in guaranteed money which is far from true.
 
tulexan said:
Could someone please explain how it will cost us $8,424,640 to cut Domanick Davis? I'm not saying that we should cut him, but this number sounds much too high to be correct. According to ESPN, we signed Domanick to a 5 year contract that is worth $22 Million with $8 Million in guaranteed money. We have already paid 1 year of this extension which means that we have taken $1.6 Million off of the books. That would mean that we have $6.4 Million left to account for. And when you cut a player after June 1st, you can spread the cap hit over 2 years which means that we would have a $3.2 Million hit next season and a $3.2 Million hit in two seasons.

Now if your figures are right, that means that we gave Domanick Davis $21,061,600 in guaranteed money which is far from true.
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Only $5 million has actually been paid so far so that's all that's been amortized on his bonus, so only $1 million out of his $8 million bonus has been amortized for salary cap considerations, leaving $7 million left. It also does not take into consideration cutting him after June 1st, so assuming that rule is being interpreted correctly we could spread his cap hit over two years. Since he received a contract extension I'm not sure if his bonus counts at all on this year's cap or if it starts next year, but I got this info off of www.houstonprofootball.com, so I'm not sure it is 100% accurate, but they say starting next year and running thru 2009 (the end of his contract) that the yearly amortization for his bonus was $2,106,160, so cutting or trading him after this year would cost that amount times the four years left on his contract, so that's where I got that figure from.
 
MorKnolle said:
...the yearly amortization for his bonus was $2,106,160, so cutting or trading him after this year would cost that amount times the four years left on his contract...
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That $2.106 isn't a yearly amortization. That's what hits in '06 and it's higher in '06 than future years because of a roster bonus and an option bonus that hits in '06.

DD has a $1.2 option bonus that hits in March. Prorated over the remaining 4 years of his contract = 300k per year on the cap.

He also has a 800k roster bonus that hits next season. All of it hits on the '06 cap.

Then, add in the proration from the 5 million signing bonus (1 million per year on the cap from '05-'09) and you get 300k + 800k + 1 mill = $2.1 allocated bonus pay for '06 ONLY.

After '06 there will be somewhere between 3 and 4 million left of unallocated bonus pay. I haven't really looked at his contract close enough to know the exact to the dollar details. I'm sure Keith will have '07 up on hpf sometime in the coming months.
 
I was looking at the contracts of those offensive linemen. Can't figure out why we paid so much for those guys who can't protect David Carr to save their lives. Casserly made the deals for those guys, so what does McNair do after a 2-14 season? he keeps Casserly but gets rid of Capers. GO FIGURE!!:brickwall :crying:
 
frequentfliertx said:
I was looking at the contracts of those offensive linemen. Can't figure out why we paid so much for those guys who can't protect David Carr to save their lives. Casserly made the deals for those guys, so what does McNair do after a 2-14 season? he keeps Casserly but gets rid of Capers. GO FIGURE!!:brickwall :crying:
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Yeah, I'm puzzled on it too. I believe Todd Wade is the second highest paid RT in the NFL (behind Robert Gallery who is supposed to be their franchise LT at some point and is still on his rookie contract), and he's never made the Pro Bowl or been anything very special.
 
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Can someone explain why we have to pay some of these players the stated amount if we do cut them because I thought NFL contracts are non-guaranteed.
 
Contracts aren't guaranteed, but signing bonuses are. Lets say that a player signs a 5 year contract worth $30 Million with a $10 Million signing bonus. The team pays the player the $10 Million up front, but spreads the hit over the length of the contract.
 
MorKnolle said:
I like Wiegert, I think he is our second best OL and still a very functional OG, even though he costs $4,208,000 to keep it will cost $1,412,000 to cut him so I'd go ahead and keep him since next year is the last on his
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Great posts & data, thanks.

Just two points to make:

(1) A lot of your projections, ideas, opinions seem based on dollars and not football.

(2) To be sure I'm understanding things, in the sample quoted above, you are saying that we can't get a better OL guy that Wiegert for $2,796,000 and that's what makes him a keeper? Am I understanding what you're saying?

Or maybe you could just explain the relationship between the cost to keep and cost to cut/trade numbers, since that's confusing for some (me, anyway). I mean, if the cost to cut is simply the cost to keep accelerated and supplemented with money owing to the player AFTER the following year, I'd think you'd also have to factor in the other costs in keeping him, i.e., the occupied roster spot which prevents you from seeking improvement at that position, or at least inhibits seeking improvement, plus the fact that you're gonna pay the guy the money, it's just a question of this year or next. On the other hand, I probably don't "get" the relationship between the cost to keep and cost to cut/trade (and would the trade, if possible, cover some of the cost?), thus I'm asking for the Cliff's Notes to the Dumbball's Guide to Capology.
 
In this particular instance, if we keep Wiegert, $4.2 million counts against our salary cap due to his base salary for the year and what's left of the amortization of his signing bonus. If we cut or trade him, all that counts against our cap is what's left of his signing bonus, in this case $1.4 million. Either way, I think Wiegert is still a good OL and we should keep him for the last year on his contract, and I was saying I doubt we can find anyone to replace him that will be better than him next year (we could bring in LeCharles Bentley, but because Wiegert is the 2nd best OLineman we have, Bentley would effectively be replacing whoever gets bumped off the OL, preferably Steve McKinney). If we bring in Bentley and draft one OT and one interior lineman, we'd have Pitts, Wiegert, Bentley, and a rookie OG and OT on our line, and we could look at adding another interior lineman in the 4th round or later (maybe Lutui if he's still there) to replace Wiegert after next season.
 
What an asset to our board! Thanks for the hard work on this thread guys, keep it up! Nice and handy reference material. :)
 
Not sure why this was unstickied, but it is very important to the offseason. Come on mods, or am I just gonna have to post on it constantly.
 
FILO_girl said:
I second this request!:)
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Mods how many people have to request our thread to be stickied. We are currently working on a more detailed list that will list the same things in the one you stickied it will be ready by tomorrow. So sticky this one please.
 
Why was this unstickied. We have put up another one that you could sticky which is more indepth and with analysis.
 
MorKnolle said:
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Travis Johnson.......$1,500,000 to keep, $4,760,640 if cut/traded, 23 years old, signed thru 2009: Obviously not looking to get rid of him after one year and the economics of that are not feasible. Would like to see a little more of him although I haven't been overly impressed so far, and if we switch to a 4-3 next year we'll have an abundance of DT since none of our current linemen could play a 4-3 DE.
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There's nobody on the team now who could play DE. Players like Babin and Peek are "tweeners" and could only be traded to 3-4 teams as OLB's since they are not big enough to play on the DL. DE's would have to come from the draft or free agency. Hopefully the Texans will be able to bring in a good 3-4 DC and such a radical move won't be necessary.
 
A Texan said:
There's nobody on the team now who could play DE. Players like Babin and Peek are "tweeners" and could only be traded to 3-4 teams as OLB's since they are not big enough to play on the DL. DE's would have to come from the draft or free agency. Hopefully the Texans will be able to bring in a good 3-4 DC and such a radical move won't be necessary.
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Babin is 6-3, 259 lbs. and is big enough to play 4-3 DE (maybe gain 5 more lbs. but that won't be a problem). Peek weighs 245 and I think would need to gain some weight (15 lbs. or so to bring him up to 260 would be find) to be a full-time DE rather than just a situational pass rusher. We could look for a DE in free agency (I wouldn't mind John Abraham at all) or the draft (if Mario Williams can run like a 4.5-4.6 at the combine and looks like the next Julius Peppers, I have no problem whatsoever with drafting him in the 1st round, either at #1 or trading down to #4-5 and getting him there)
 
Very good reading from Post to all replys. Thanks for all the hard work involved. I'm off to the second series.
 
from www.houstonprofootball.com


In other news, a source has indicated to HoustonProFootball.com that the Texans will be able to forward $2 million of unused cap space from the 2005 season onto the 2006 salary cap. Wide receiver Corey Bradford failed to achieve a performance incentive in his contract that had been deemed as "likely to be earned", thus enabling a now well-known loophole in the league's cap rules.
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