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Houston Texans 2025 Training Camp

For preseason, I like to watch any rookies that play first and foremost. Second, I like to see if any of last year's backups show improvement or look like they have taken a step up...or back. And if we've signed any FA that will play - that's another subset of guys I like to keep an eye on.

Stover would be a good example of a guy I'll be keeping an eye on. He could start on Saturday. I wonder if Chubb will get reps. I'd like to see him with live bullets flying. If not this week, surely game two.

Some starters may get a series. I'm not sure how DeMeco will play it. I'd like the starting o-line to get some live reps, but no way will Cam be out there so I'm not sure what good it will do.
 
IDEXAN said:
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"RETIRE" !
So the current discussion about Fisher's status must include the potential of a "BUST" ? Already ?
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If it waddles, quacks, and has orange colored webbed feet, and likes to swim in lakes....I'm guessing it's a duck.
 
Porky said:
If it waddles, quacks, and has orange colored webbed feet, and likes to swim in lakes....I'm guessing it's a duck.
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I don't get it ?
Using mid round picks our GM seems very astute at drafting WRs & DBacks while he also seems very misguided when using high picks, sometimes very high picks on Olinemen ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I don't get it ?
Using mid round picks our GM seems very astute at drafting WRs & DBacks while he also seems very misguided when using high picks, sometimes very high picks on Olinemen ?
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You asked why people are calling Blake the next lineman bust in the making. That’s my answer. Because not only is he not better than last year, but by all accounts he is actually worse. He’s not even 2nd string RT at this point. He’s 3rd string and if not for injury, might be 4th string.

You don’t see that as a problem for a 2nd round draft pick?
 
Porky said:
You asked why people are calling Blake the next lineman bust in the making. That’s my answer. Because not only is he not better than last year, but by all accounts he is actually worse. He’s not even 2nd string RT at this point. He’s 3rd string and if not for injury, might be 4th string.

You don’t see that as a problem for a 2nd round draft pick?
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A problem ? Yes of course it's absolutely, totally F'ed-up !
First Green, the Aggie guard in the first round,was of course a desaster, and Juice I believe remains a disappointment and now Fischer.
So early returns seem to indicate the Minn. tackle drafted this year is a keeper, but maybe that's because the new OC & new Oline coach were looking over Nick's shoulder in April
and giving him much needed advise on his Oline pick?
 
IDEXAN said:
A problem ? Yes of course it's absolutely, totally F'ed-up !
First Green, the Aggie guard in the first round,was of course a desaster, and Juice I believe remains a disappointment and now Fischer.
So early returns seem to indicate the Minn. tackle drafted this year is a keeper, but maybe that's because the new OC & new Oline coach were looking over Nick's shoulder in April
and giving him much needed advise on his Oline pick?
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From all accounts, Nick has consistently taken his cues from his HCs.
 
On the topic of Fisher, he was drafted #57 overall quickly followed by Roger Rosengarten #62 Ravens and then Kingsley Suamatai #63 Chiefs.

So far Rosengarten has excelled out of those three. Fisher and Suamatai have struggled. I think it will be interesting to keep tabs moving forward since they were all drafted around the same time for the same position. Coaching, supporting cast and scheme are interesting variables too.

I will note Warhop is the Ravens O-line coach
 
IDEXAN said:
A problem ? Yes of course it's absolutely, totally F'ed-up !
First Green, the Aggie guard in the first round,was of course a desaster, and Juice I believe remains a disappointment and now Fischer.
So early returns seem to indicate the Minn. tackle drafted this year is a keeper, but maybe that's because the new OC & new Oline coach were looking over Nick's shoulder in April
and giving him much needed advise on his Oline pick?
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That's exactly why Ersery was the pick. Caseio/Caley/Popovich all come from the same system. I expect the OL drafting to get better because of this.
 
WAJTerminator said:
On the topic of Fisher, he was drafted #57 overall quickly followed by Roger Rosengarten #62 Ravens and then Kingsley Suamatai #63 Chiefs.

So far Rosengarten has excelled out of those three. Fisher and Suamatai have struggled. I think it will be interesting to keep tabs moving forward since they were all drafted around the same time for the same position. Coaching, supporting cast and scheme are interesting variables too.

I will note Warhop is the Ravens O-line coach
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Warthrop is a very good OL coach. Not a good OL scout, fortunately for the Ravens he's got no say in OL that have been drafted to this point.
 
steelbtexan said:
Warthrop is a very good OL coach. Not a good OL scout, fortunately for the Ravens he's got no say in OL that have been drafted to this point.
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Haha well I hope we can steal a scout or two from them and the eagles. Regardless I find those three quite interesting being that they are on AFC contenders that needed help. So far one proved out, hoping Fisher gets it together.
 
Based on reports from TC, Fisher has faced significant struggles and has been demoted on the depth chart at right tackle. He has been getting beaten consistently by the D has given up too many (virtual) sacks. He has been called for enumerable false starts in back-to-back team drills. Popovich who is not known to be very tolerant demoted Fisher after pulling him out of several drills.
Fisher, who started camp working with the first-team offense, has been relegated to second-team reps reps since the pads came on. Even while playing with the second team, Fisher was called for a couple of false starts and was subbed out, indicating his struggles are persistent. That has relegated him to third team reps.

All of his struggles have to do with loss of quickness, lateral mobility and loss of ability to hold his ground. I'm beginning to think that his regression may be having to do with the knee injury he sustained at Notre Dame. In the 2021 TC, he sustained a knee injury which was reported as "minor." It was a meniscus tear, which the HC encouraged him to play through. He tried, but finally was taken to surgery. And in order to get him back on the field as quickly as possible, since the team was in dire need for his services, they opted to excise rather than repair, saying he would be back within 8 weeks (a repair would have totally ruled out the season). As it turns out, he could not return until 12 1/2 weeks due to setbacks. When you have significant setbacks post meniscus excisions, you are likely to have damaged articular cartilage and setting yourself up for bone on bone.

Be aware that following a meniscus excision (meniscectomy), arthritic changes can initiate as early as 2 to 5 years [perfect timing for Fisher's problems] after an arthroscopic partial meniscectomy. The risk can be even higher for athletes who have a high BMI and heavily rely on their knees as would an offensive tackle.
 
As I've previously posted, I've always been guarded re. Stroud's decision making, especially in this particular new scheme where there is greater responsibilities on the shoulders of the QB for there to be success. Stroud has said that he wants to be able to control more of the offense, and the Texans have said they intend to give him a lot more control this year. I don't feel comfortable in this happening any time soon. Sean Pendergast, a QB himself and a good evaluator of QBs does not ease the discomfort.

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C.J. Stroud Gets Discouraging Update out of Texans Training Camp​

The Houston Texans will need C.J. Stroud to have a bounce-back year under new offensive coordinator Nick Caley if they're to contend in the 2025 NFL season.
In 2025 NFL training camp, the Houston Texans have set out to meaningfully improve a team that's won 20 games over the last two seasons. That's both a promising place to start, and a difficult spot to rise up from.

After finishing 10-7 in both of the past two years, the Texans saw their season end the same way each time: flaming out in a disappointing beatdown in the Divisional Round at the hands of a clearly superior postseason team. Last year, they fell to the Kansas City Chiefs. In 2023, it was a 10-34 blowout to the Baltimore Ravens.

While they were able to win 10 games and advance in Wildcard Weekend last season, there were plenty of glaring areas for improvement that gave the Texans clear paths to development. Mainly, they'll be looking to raise the ceiling on an offense that was hamstrung by both injuries and inconsistency. New offensive coordinator Nick Caley will be looking to breathe life back into a stagnated attack and rejuvenate the progression of third-year quarterback C.J. Stroud.

C.J. Stroud has been underwhelming so far in the Houston Texans' 2025 NFL training camp​

For the most part, C.J. Stroud returning to form after a slight sophomore slump was seen as sort of a given. With better health for his weapons and a revamped offensive line, the hope was that he would regain an upward trajectory from his stellar rookie campaign.

If Nick Caley could recapture the success he found as the passing game coordinator for the Los Angeles Rams last season, Stroud should be able to thrive in a new system. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case so far throughout training camp. HoustonPress's Sean Pendergast recently highlighted some of the lows that the Texans' quarterback has experienced so far:

"Stroud has been, at best, up and down during this training camp. That’s understandable, given the installation of a new system, the near complete turnover of personnel on the offensive line, and the fact that he is going against one of the best defenses in football. However, the disturbing thing about Stroud is that, even when the protection is decent, he is getting jumpy in the pocket. Also, the interceptions that he’s thrown in camp, and there have been several, appear to be poor decisions or misreads of the defense, not interceptions caused by pressure up front. When Stroud’s first read is open, he’s looked really good. When it’s not, he’s looked pedestrian."
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Based on reports from TC, Fisher has faced significant struggles and has been demoted on the depth chart at right tackle. He has been getting beaten consistently by the D has given up too many (virtual) sacks. He has been called for enumerable false starts in back-to-back team drills. Popovich who is not known to be very tolerant demoted Fisher after pulling him out of several drills.
Fisher, who started camp working with the first-team offense, has been relegated to second-team reps reps since the pads came on. Even while playing with the second team, Fisher was called for a couple of false starts and was subbed out, indicating his struggles are persistent. That has relegated him to third team reps.

All of his struggles have to do with loss of quickness, lateral mobility and loss of ability to hold his ground. I'm beginning to think that his regression may be having to do with the knee injury he sustained at Notre Dame. In the 2021 TC, he sustained a knee injury which was reported as "minor." It was a meniscus tear, which the HC encouraged him to play through. He tried, but finally was taken to surgery. And in order to get him back on the field as quickly as possible, since the team was in dire need for his services, they opted to excise rather than repair, saying he would be back within 8 weeks (a repair would have totally ruled out the season). As it turns out, he could not return until 12 1/2 weeks due to setbacks. When you have significant setbacks post meniscus excisions, you are likely to have damaged articular cartilage and setting yourself up for bone on bone.

Be aware that following a meniscus excision (meniscectomy), arthritic changes can initiate as early as 2 to 5 years [perfect timing for Fisher's problems] after an arthroscopic partial meniscectomy. The risk can be even higher for athletes who have a high BMI and heavily rely on their knees as would an offensive tackle.
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Or in other words, Fisher sucks.
 
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