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Houston Texans 2017 5th round pick, Treston Decoud, S, Oregon State
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CloakNNNdagger
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McCourty played most all of his college years at CB and excelled at that position. That's the position he played with the Pats during his first 2 1/2 years with them (after having been picked in the the 1st rnd). When the Pats acquired Aquib Talib, they moved McCourty to safety. Decoud was a 5th rnd pick who went to small time schools. He has yet to play with the big boys in the NFL...........and now he would be asked to learn an unfamiliar position from scratch? In the NFL natural transition from established CB to safety later in a career is not uncommon. I would be guarded, especially at this point, about putting Decoud out there as the last line of defense, especially in a secondary that expects free safety and strong safety to be interchangeable.
Jairus Byrd was converted to safety his rookie year, and he recorded what, 9 Ints?
And he didn't even started 'til game 4.
Eugene Wilson was a college CB who was told to suit up and start at safety in week 2, with just a week of practice, and he remained there his entire career.
Brandon Meriweather did not start as a rookie, but saw time at safety; he played as the third safety in the Super Bowl.
So it can be done.
CloakNNNdagger
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Hardly fair talent comparisons. All came from much higher college competition levels than Decoud.
Wilson was the 36th pick of his draft, Byrd the 42nd pick of his draft and Meriweather was a 1st rounder.
True, but I wasn't asking DeCoud to come in and start (ever).
I was merely pointing out that it's possible for a CB to convert to safety.
If he turns out to be just one of the major special team contributors, it's a solid pick in the 5th. If he can play the third safety spot in year 3, it's a good pick; in year 2 , a very good pick.
Belichick likes to take a lot of DBs and sees where they best fit; not all of them work out.
CloakNNNdagger
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That's been proven, mostly as the CBs "mature." But I was responding to comments suggesting that the Texans should consider converting him to safety virtually from the beginning.
I've seen LBs convert to safety as rookies. Safeties to LBs, & definitely seen Corners who were good enough in college, but not for the NFL get moved to Safety.
The thing here is that the Texans are saying he'll play some Corner & some Safety. I don't necessarily agree with doing that, but for all I know, it's just lipstick on a pig. They'll let Decoud believe he's got a shot to be a corner on this team, but pretty soon he'll have to realize if he does make the team, it'll be as a Safety.
The thing here is that the Texans are saying he'll play some Corner & some Safety. I don't necessarily agree with doing that, but for all I know, it's just lipstick on a pig. They'll let Decoud believe he's got a shot to be a corner on this team, but pretty soon he'll have to realize if he does make the team, it'll be as a Safety.
badboy
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it is not unusual for a coach to single out a player for conditioning. It occurred to Nix (Irish chocolate) but he didn't get message.
And he didn't play well. Many feel that he was not the 1st round talent they thought because of being moved around so early his rookie year and he hasn't caught up yet. You know line play better than I do so tell me what you think of his play. He did come on at the end of the year but...
xtruroyaltyx
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I'd say moving him so early would definitely be a big challenge mentally. But a lot of the issues that I saw from him weren't mental issues...he just had a tendency to get beat physically.
I can't remember the first OL coach under OB but I don't think he was a good coach. The OL was making basic technique errors that even I could pick up on just watching. Their technique
X has definitely gotten better since his rookie year but I don't know if he's lived up to being 2.1 good. When I say I don't know, I'm really saying I don't know.
Last year at some point I stopped paying close attention to the Texans. Barely watched games. You're not the first one to say he's improved a lot and looked a lot better so I'm inclined to believe y'all.
Thanks. His first OL coach was Dunn from Atlanta... don't remember his first name. And yeah he wasn't good. I'm not sure if Devlin is any better
I dunno for sure but I'd say the great Ronnie Lott is the best example of a corner who converted to safety and in his case going all the way to being a HOF safety.
As far as not playing well his rookie year, first half of that season the whole line looked discombobulated. That was the first year they went from making the calls from the line, to making calls from the QB.
They looked much better after Mallett got under center. Something happened there that got the OL & QB in sync, even after Fitz returned.
I think XSF has looked very good as a starting guard. However, the first thing I look at is consistency & he's been very consistent.
He's shown the ability to do what they're asking him to do (what I think they're asking him to do). & I think he's close to being able to do it 100% of the time regardless who he is playing.
I can see a lot of room for improvement in how he gets the job done. I'm not saying there are no holes in his game. But he appears to be getting better every couple of games or so. Jmo
CloakNNNdagger
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Ronnie Lott was an elite 1st round CB pick (#8). He didn't transition to safety until 5 seasons later.
CloakNNNdagger
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I think I've been watching a different player or something. The only real way that I could consider that X improved in the last month of the season would be to say that it was solely in comparison to his previous pitiful performances.
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I'm usually on my own as far as OL analysis goes. I was alone when I said Chris Myers was our most consistent lineman (which was before anyone on this board gave him any respect).
I was among the first to call Winston overrated.
I was alone when I said Ben Jones deserves to start (which was way before anyone complained that Rick Smith didn't pay him).
I'm not surprised I'm alone when I say XSF is going to be a plus player on our OL.
You were on a different board, before Hooked brought it here to TT.
On this original board, I had a whole Chris Myers thread going.
Over here we neither overrated nor underrated Winston.
badboy
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I don't know what their plan is, but I wouldn't mind having him covering the TEs some.
CloakNNNdagger
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Decoud's mother has now unfortunately experienced a recurrence of her breast cancer. Prayers for her, Treston and the family.
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Texans corner Treston Decoud's mother ailing again
March 20, 2018
Texans cornerback Treston Decoud and his family are accustomed to dealing with serious adversity.
From academic struggles to growing up in an impoverished part of Louisiana, Decoud had a difficult path to the NFL before completing his rookie season with the Texans last year.
That included his mother, Chandrika, battling breast cancer.
Now, she's dealing with cancer again after overcoming her health problems in the past.
Decoud wrote about his mother's situation on his Instagram account.
"To know that we have to go through this again mom hurt me more than anything but like you said never question God plan," Decoud wrote. "I just want you to know that I’m gonna be the best man I can be for you can be proud of your son. I will always make you proud and this just another hump in the road. We will get through this together and I will always be there for you. It’s nothing like a mother and son relationship. You mean the world to me.
"I couldn’t ask for a better mother. You been there for me through every step and for that I owe you the best life a mother could ask for and I promise before either one of us leave this earth I will give you that life. I put my heart into this game of football because I love the game and I know it will give me the opportunity to change our life. I will forever stand on my toes and never fold like you thought me. I thank God for creating you and for you creating me. I am very bless to have you on my side. This is my letter to you and I promise we will beat this again!!! Love ya son."
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To know that we have to go through this again mom hurt me more than anything but like you said never question God plan. I just want you to know that I’m gonna be the best man I can be for you can be proud of your son. I will always make you proud and this just another hump in the road. We will get through this together and I will always be there for you. It’s nothing like a mother and son relationship. You mean the world to me. I couldn’t ask for a better mother. You been there for me through every step and for that I owe you the best life a mother could ask for and I promise before either one of us leave this earth I will give you that life. I put my heart into this game of football because I love the game and I know it will give me the opportunity to change our life. I will forever stand on my toes and never fold like you thought me. I thank God for creating you and for you creating me. I am very bless to have you on my side. This is my letter to you and I promise we will beat this again!!! Love ya son #DREAMTEAM
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Texans corner Treston Decoud's mother ailing again
March 20, 2018
Texans cornerback Treston Decoud and his family are accustomed to dealing with serious adversity.
From academic struggles to growing up in an impoverished part of Louisiana, Decoud had a difficult path to the NFL before completing his rookie season with the Texans last year.
That included his mother, Chandrika, battling breast cancer.
Now, she's dealing with cancer again after overcoming her health problems in the past.
Decoud wrote about his mother's situation on his Instagram account.
"To know that we have to go through this again mom hurt me more than anything but like you said never question God plan," Decoud wrote. "I just want you to know that I’m gonna be the best man I can be for you can be proud of your son. I will always make you proud and this just another hump in the road. We will get through this together and I will always be there for you. It’s nothing like a mother and son relationship. You mean the world to me.
"I couldn’t ask for a better mother. You been there for me through every step and for that I owe you the best life a mother could ask for and I promise before either one of us leave this earth I will give you that life. I put my heart into this game of football because I love the game and I know it will give me the opportunity to change our life. I will forever stand on my toes and never fold like you thought me. I thank God for creating you and for you creating me. I am very bless to have you on my side. This is my letter to you and I promise we will beat this again!!! Love ya son."
td14_ Verified
To know that we have to go through this again mom hurt me more than anything but like you said never question God plan. I just want you to know that I’m gonna be the best man I can be for you can be proud of your son. I will always make you proud and this just another hump in the road. We will get through this together and I will always be there for you. It’s nothing like a mother and son relationship. You mean the world to me. I couldn’t ask for a better mother. You been there for me through every step and for that I owe you the best life a mother could ask for and I promise before either one of us leave this earth I will give you that life. I put my heart into this game of football because I love the game and I know it will give me the opportunity to change our life. I will forever stand on my toes and never fold like you thought me. I thank God for creating you and for you creating me. I am very bless to have you on my side. This is my letter to you and I promise we will beat this again!!! Love ya son #DREAMTEAM
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CloakNNNdagger
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John McClainVerified account@McClain_on_NFL 2h2 hours ago
Texans have moved second-year cornerback Treston Decoud to safety. He’s got size, speed and smarts. Also good special teams player.
Texans have moved second-year cornerback Treston Decoud to safety. He’s got size, speed and smarts. Also good special teams player.
TheRealJoker
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Not surprised. Ever since he was drafted it seemed that he was destined to be moved to safety with his size/physicality.
Should compete with Corey Moore for that 4th safety spot.
If he makes it that would mean top 4 safetes have spent time at CB... bodes well for our pass defense!
The secondary is going to be much better next yr, particularly if KJo can get his head out of his a**
Carr Bombed
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Firing Rick Smith
I still get sick watching Bouye play for our rival.
We're going to need some young blood at the corner positions next year. I can't believe Kareem Jackson is going into his 9th season..wtf happened with the time, jesus
Nighthawk99
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Didn't know that rick smith got "fired".
Carr Bombed
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My bad.. a "gentlemen's firing", kinda like eliminating a team in 5 games instead of 4 for the sweep.
Let's not get into semantics here. It's obvious he was told he wasn't coming back, they just let him save face.
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Hopefully
Carr Bombed
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It's been well reported that O'Brien and Smith were at odds..I think O'Brien won the power struggle and Smith was the one pushed out.
I think Deshaun's performance under O'Brien was a huge reason why he won out.
I'm eager to see how O'Brien does now that he and the G.M. are on the same page. Towards the end I bet O'Brien and Smith were barely even communicating. The relationship just seemed toxic looking from the outside in.
C'mon guys. Does anyone think if Romeo Crennel wanted to move Decoud to safety, Smith would prevent him from making that move? A 5th round draft pick?
Carr Bombed
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I'll be honest, my Rick Smith opinion didn't really have anything to do with Decoud.. more of a general assessment of decisions made on the entire team.
In order to win at a high level in this league, everyone has to be on the same page. That was never going to happen with O'Brien and Smith. One of them had to go. Smith has been here for 12 years and was a holdover from the last regime..I'm glad it was him.
beerlover
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I really don’t want Crennel making player evaluations unless it’s Clowney to confirm #1 selection overall. Otherwise just a concise list of traits he likes for various positions.
Rick is gone. It’s history, like Casserly I’m over it.
DeCoud will make it on special teams or as back-up DB if your all good with that for a 5th round pick that’s questionable but fine with me.
It's his second year, so yeah I'd be fine with that
Brisco_County
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No one was buying him as a corner. He doesn't have the quick twitch. Moving to safety is the best use for him.
TheRealJoker
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Funny thing about CBs... they look a lot better with good safeties (and pass rush)
bah007
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Of course he was going to get a try at CB first. It's one of the four premier positions in the league (QB, LT, Pass Rusher, CB). Every single year you've got teams drafting Safeties and trying to force them into CB to see if they can strike gold. At least Decoud had played the position all through college.
I never thought he'd stick there in our system but you can't fault the staff for giving him a trial run. The real problem is there had to be a lack of communication somewhere between scouts, GM, and coaches. The coaches obviously wanted a CB with that pick or they wouldn't have tried him out there.
If he were in Atlanta, Jacksonville, San Francisco, or Seattle he'd be a CB all the way in their systems. He just doesn't fit there for us based on what we ask our guys to do.
I never thought he'd stick there in our system but you can't fault the staff for giving him a trial run. The real problem is there had to be a lack of communication somewhere between scouts, GM, and coaches. The coaches obviously wanted a CB with that pick or they wouldn't have tried him out there.
If he were in Atlanta, Jacksonville, San Francisco, or Seattle he'd be a CB all the way in their systems. He just doesn't fit there for us based on what we ask our guys to do.
CloakNNNdagger
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That's a question that could easily cut both ways. With the exit of Bouye, the Texans were looking specifically for a CB, at very least reliable CB depth. An early "conversion" to safety would not have reflected very well on Smith's evaluation prowess. As I posted after the pick , there was nothing in his collegiate preformance reviews that would make one think that he would be a viable NFL CB.
Of course, like many of the Smith picks, there was a "feel good" story behind the player that was presented to promote the player.
xtruroyaltyx
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He’s going to be cut.
CloakNNNdagger
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True,
And give me less feel good stories (Which I could care less about) and more talented players. Everybody's got a story, I've got one, I'm sure you've got one, lets get some players in here.
infantrycak
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Publishing the stories of players you select does not mean you are selecting players for stories.
TheRealJoker
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Interested to see both Kelly and his teammate we brought in for a tryout Andre Chachere. Chachere was regarded by most draftniks as the better CB prospect but Kelly appears to be a solid tackler with good measurables on film. His attitude was very positive and infectious in his post draft interview on 610. I couldn’t help but be reminded of Charles James on Hard Knocks when listening to him talk. And I can’t help but think the Texans drafted him to be the Charles James with size special teams ace.
beerlover
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you expect a undrafted free agent to beat out a drafted player, that's shocking news! Unfortunately you may be right. Only thing that makes some sense from a needs perspective is increased emphasis on special teams improvement. Both Kelly, Kalambayi as well as Jordan Thomas are big body types for positions but not overly gifted, meaning core special teams fodder, given their positive and aggressive buy in to team concept.
this draft is more of regaining stability in roster depth and to improve special teams than anything else to me. my biggest gripe is they didn't draft a QB to develop for the future to sit behind Watson in case of injury.
xtruroyaltyx
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Only watched this of chachere:
And he looked terrible.
Like embarrassingly bad. Like take the tape and throw it in the garbage bad.