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Hollings to Play this Week
- Thread starter Vinny
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TexansTrueFan
All Pro
Lets hope he doesnt get injured again, cause we'd be dangerious with a good running game, and thats what we need to win games (it seems)
Hopefully he proves me wrong, but I think I already know what we have in Hollings. He's a guy with questionable durability who seems to need a bigger hole than Davis does when running between the tackles. He's a long strider with decent hands who does well when attacking the outside but he has poor vision and cutback ability when running inside. And yes, I can say that even though the guy only has 56 regular season touches over two seasons.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
You can't show me a team that has never blown a pick. For every Hollings pick we have a guy like Faggins taken in the 6th round and is productive for us. That said, Hollings isn't quite a bust yet. Not by a long shot. Hollings hasn't really ever had a string of touches to prove himself after fully 100% healing from ACL injury and we really never expected much from him until this season. Unfortunately he has been injured. Edge James wasn't the same back the year after his injury; it took him two full years to get his game back.nunusguy said:
I've seen enough from Hollings to think he can be a Tiki Barber type. I am still an optimist on this one.
Mistril48
Rookie
Don't get me started on whether Hollings really cost the Texans a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick. A strong argument can be made the Texans traded their second 4th round pick of the 2002 draft (the pick after Wells) for the pick that ultimately became the Hollings pick.nunusguy said:
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I also think that I know what we have in Hollings. We've got another guy who isn't going to be able to run behind this line and it's pathetic excuse for blocking. Barry Sanders would have a hard time getting a hundred yards if he had to depend on these guys to create openings for him.
Who knows though. Maybe they get better or maybe Hollings can break a few to the outside and force the defense to deal with him enough to get things going with the passing game. I'm for it of course. Anything different is worth a shot because business as usual ain't getting it done.
Who knows though. Maybe they get better or maybe Hollings can break a few to the outside and force the defense to deal with him enough to get things going with the passing game. I'm for it of course. Anything different is worth a shot because business as usual ain't getting it done.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Vinny said:
Vinny,
With all due respect, I've got to chime in on this issue this time around.
It doesn't matter in the least bit, what the pick started out as. Trading an extra 4th round pick up until it became a 2nd rounder was just good wheeling & dealing on CC's part. The fact is that, at the time we drafted Hollings, we used a 2nd round pick that we had in our possession. A 2nd round pick that ultimately turned out to be the 1st pick in the 2nd round.
Now, in all fairness, there was no way that we could've foreseen that pick being the 1st pick in the 2nd round. But, no matter where it was going to end up, Hollings still cost us a 2nd round pick.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, quit trying to devalue the price we paid for Hollings. Extra or not, we gave a 2nd round pick that we owned.
I really hope that Hollings turns out to be a stud & CC adds to his legend as a master at finding gems in the draft, but until Hollings proves the doubters wrong, there'll continue to be 2nd guessing. Especially, when you consider that we could've had our choice of Julius Jones, Karlos Dansby, Teddy Lehman, Igor Olshansky, Michael Boulware, & several others with that 2nd round pick.
I guess it really doesn't matter what we paid for him. The fact is, that he's a Texan & we've all got to be patient & keep our fingers, eyes, toes, & whatever else we have to cross, crossed & hope he turns out to be a 2nd round steal.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
It doesn't matter to me if you don't care where it started but if we are going to crucify Casserly with this pick, we need to be fair and accept the fact that Casserly took a 4th round pick and gambled with it to the point it turned into Tony Hollings. We never used that 4th round pick. By the time the trading was over it became Hollings, and he will get his shot now. I'm pulling for the guy. There is too much finger pointing and rash judgments on Casserly for this pick (at this time) for my tastes. When we picked Hollings, James Allen and Stacy Mack was the 'talent' in our backfield. The jury is still out to me.Hottoddie said:
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
Vinny, and others, I don't see how you can judge any running back or QB on this team given the problems with our O-line and the new blocking scheme. I quiet frankly believe that they are the major reasons for every problem we are seeing with the offense. Is it the scheme or the players? I tend to believe, as you know, that it is the scheme. It has so destryoyed the consistency of our line play. I know Hollings is quick, but I think they are setting him up for injury just like DD. Sorry, but you all are being set up for another big, big disappointment. I think if either of these two backs were playing with Denver we would be talking about how great they were. DD came into this year with high hopes and I don't think they were based on false hopes. I believe the man did everything he could and then some to get ready for the new season. He hoped to help the Texans have a good year. Rather, its the coaching staff who let the team down, not the players. They have placed this team in an impossible situation. They installed a blocking scheme that did not fit the players who were going to impliment the scheme nor the backs who were going to impliment it. They thought it would, but it didn't. The coaching staff made a disasterous call with no contingency plan in case it didn't work. That is again why I feel so strongly about these coaches and their necessary replacement.
edo783
Hall of Fame
If Hollings starts playing some more in games from here on out, hopefully we will be able to get some sort of gauge on what we have. So far he hasn't been too impressive IMO, but he also hasn't had a full chance at proving what he's got. (injuries, lack of play time etc.) What he has seemed to show though is a propensity to go down easy and a lack of vision for the cuts along with an ability to get outside. We need to get a better range on this kid befor the end of the year and we head into the draft. Could have some bearing on how we approache it.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
That is exactly why they need to get Hollings on game tape. At the end of the year they will again break down the players and decide their direction in re-loading the team for 2005. Hollings has only had 11 runs this year and only had 38 last year, and the 38 came right off ACL surgery. He also has 5 catches for 46 yards. Thats nearly 10 yards a pop.edo783 said:
Mistril48
Rookie
I agree.Vinny said:
Hollings 'cost' the Texans a 4th round pick in th 2002 draft; and
Hollings has the experience of a 2003 draft pick (he has attended meetings and conditioning like a 2003 pick, not a 2002 or 2004 pick); and
Hollings has a cap value similar to a late 2nd round pick.
Hollings is only confusing if it isn't clear what you are talking about - what the Texans risked (4th round), what his experience level is (2003 pick), or his cap value (late 2nd)
The value of the Hollings pick (present value in 2004) was a high 2nd round pick. The initial investment was a 4th rounder. The investment gain was +2 rounds. Smart investing yes (way to go Charlie) but the actual value of the pick was whatever the initial investment plus gain turned out to be. I'm dizzy from the spin.
Yeah, it started with what the Texans thought would be a late second but they didn't count on the Raiders collapse in '03 so if you run the investment out to maturity, didn't it turn into the 34th or 35th overall that we forfeited? I know it was higher than our own pick (the one we traded to Tennessee when they took Troupe around 40)
Mistril48
Rookie
bold mine.aj. said:
More than what "the Texans thought," I believe that the NFL at the time of the supplimental draft considered it a late 2nd round pick ... so did Hollings agent, who I believe settled for late 2nd round money.
The way I look at it, the Dealer was showing a 6 and I had 17. I didn't take a card. What the rest of the players at the table do after that, or what the next card is doesn't affect my decision as to whether I did the right thing ... the Texans took a chance to have Hollings learning their system in 2003, with the second 4th round pick from 2002 draft, that they had parlayed into a late 2nd round pick in 2004.
There is not a RB around today that would look good with the O-line we have right now. They just aren't doing their job, and I do not think they are the right personel for the new zone blocking that has been implemented this year. (who's decision was that, anyway?)
That being said, it'll be interesting to see how Hollings does with the poor line performance. If he can make something happen, just imagine what he could do given a consistent line.
Personally, I wish we'd get a bruiser that just carries defenders with him as he busts through the middle. I get tired of seeing our RB go down with the first hit.
That being said, it'll be interesting to see how Hollings does with the poor line performance. If he can make something happen, just imagine what he could do given a consistent line.
Personally, I wish we'd get a bruiser that just carries defenders with him as he busts through the middle. I get tired of seeing our RB go down with the first hit.
GeauxTexans
Practice Squad
Hervoyel said:
Like the idea but there is only one Earl Campbell
Hervoyel
BUENO!
GeauxTexans said:Like the idea but there is only one Earl Campbell
Then we start working on an "Age Reduction Serum" to bring him back. I wonder though.....don't the Saints still have his rights? Either way that will probably also take less time than the 0-line takes to master the zone blocking scheme.
And yeah that was a zero and not an "o" in "0-line". It stands for "zero blocking".
GeauxTexans
Practice Squad
Hervoyel said:
I had forgotten that, what a sad way for one of the greatest to end their career.Hervoyel said:
Hervoyel said:
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
What happened to Hollings?
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
Does it matter i was pretty happy with Davis today, showed he still has his quick fett and can still make people mis in the open field ! Maybe this is waht Davis needed to get going again !
Houston Fan
Practice Squad
aj. said:
Couldn't have said it better myself. I think we gambled...and lost. No harm in rolling the dice, but I'm confident he's not the franchise or workhorse back.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
I found where Capers said he pulled a Hamstring.....
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Ibar_Harry said:
Was that while putting on his pants or pulling up his sock? If it was the sock injury again then I say they don't let him wear any socks for the rest of the season and maybe not until training camp if need be. Those nagging sock-donning injuries take a long time to heal up properly and maybe if we start rehabbing it now then it'll get better in time for next years training camp.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
Herv you are just plain bad.................