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Hollings to Fins?

SO youre telling me that you would use pretty much a first round pick on a running back, that played in four games at running back in his WHOLE CAREER, BEFORE he tore his knee up? And no, option QB is not the same as running back, because in High School football when running an option or wishbone offense, the QB gets the advantage to pitch the ball if he doesnt have alot of green in front of him. All it is, is either pitching the ball, or sprinting downfield. And besides, in HS, all you need to be a star is speed. And at GT, he was a backup DB. Granted, the four games he played running back, IN COLLEGE, where pretty good, he will end up being a waste of a high second round choice.
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
SO youre telling me that you would use pretty much a first round pick on a running back, that played in four games at running back in his WHOLE CAREER, BEFORE he tore his knee up? And no, option QB is not the same as running back, because in High School football when running an option or wishbone offense, the QB gets the advantage to pitch the ball if he doesnt have alot of green in front of him. All it is, is either pitching the ball, or sprinting downfield. And besides, in HS, all you need to be a star is speed. And at GT, he was a backup DB. Granted, the four games he played running back, IN COLLEGE, where pretty good, he will end up being a waste of a high second round choice.
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McGahee hasnt even played in one, and everyone thought that the Oakland pick was going to be late in the 2nd round.

his games in college were pretty good??? 160 yards and 4 TDs per game. His college games were unbelievable...
 
Fiddy said:
McGahee hasnt even played in one, and everyone thought that the Oakland pick was going to be late in the 2nd round.

his games in college were pretty good??? 160 yards and 4 TDs per game. His college games were unbelievable...
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the key words in your reply, FIDDY, are COLLEGE GAMES! He didnt do SQUAT in THE PROS when he got some carries all season last year, not just against the Jags, but every time he ran. AND DONT SAY, "He was just coming off knee surgery." Because you will be saying that forever because nobody EVER FULLY RECOVERS from an ACL tear. NEVER.
 
It wasn't his production alone that led scouts to like Hollings. He has tremendous speed and quickness. If he could be a poor man's Barry Sanders with more speed, I would be all about that.

ps Anyone know if Sanders has the NFL record for most 30+ yard runs that didn't go for a TD? It seems like the guy got caught inside the 10 on long runs all the time.
 
top of that McGahee wouldn't have been a starter if it weren't for Gore's injuries

as vinny pointed.. it was a 3rd round supplemental pick that got traded up with the raiders for their #2 pick Hense the raiders just came off a superbowl appearance so who would have known at the time that they would collapse like they did ..At the time of the trade it was a good thing.

If the Texans knew that it would be the 34 or so pick instead of around 60 who knows ... we might have used our regular pick. instead of supplement..
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
the key words in your reply, FIDDY, are COLLEGE GAMES! He didnt do SQUAT when he got some carries all season last year, not just against the Jags, but every time he ran. AND DONT SAY, "He was just coming off knee surgery." Because you will be saying that forever because nobody EVER FULLY RECOVERS from an ACL tear. NEVER.
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Do you remember the Kansas City game? Because Hollings took 3 straight pitches and got about 9 yards a pop. Yeah, then he fumbled in the 3rd quarter and Capers took him out but I didnt like the draw play for him. Didnt Jamal Lewis tear his ACL 3 years ago??? He looked pretty darn good last year....
 
NO WAY he could be a poor mans Barry. There are a few major differences where Barry and Domanick will always get the best of him.....quickness, agility, vision, and cutback ability. Of those abilities, Hollings may have quickness. All Tony Hollings is, is speed. You need more to be a quality RB.
 
The reason Lewis got so many yards was because he got more than 30 carries on more than a couple occasions. ALSO, the ravens passing game did not exist untill very late in the season.
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
the key words in your reply, FIDDY, are COLLEGE GAMES! He didnt do SQUAT in THE PROS when he got some carries all season last year, not just against the Jags, but every time he ran. AND DONT SAY, "He was just coming off knee surgery." Because you will be saying that forever because nobody EVER FULLY RECOVERS from an ACL tear. NEVER.
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That is just hysterical nonsense. There are varying degrees of surgical need and frankly there is a 98% recovery rate from ACL's now days. This isn't 1984 any longer, and players come back fully able to perform in todays climate. To judge a guy who was in the last stages of rehab is just short sighted.
Lowe said the advancement in how surgeries are performed has been the biggest reason for quicker - and more successful - recoveries from serious knee injuries.

In the past, doctors attempted to sew the ACL back together in a major operation. Today, surgeons have years of experience with using a slice of the patellar tendon, which connects the lower leg bone to the kneecap and the quadriceps muscle above it, as a replacement for the ACL.

An ACL reconstruction involves drilling holes in the tibia and femur through which the replacement tissue is threaded and attached to the bone. Better instrumentation allows doctors to anchor the graft tightly in the bone and in the right place so the joint is correctly aligned.

If the knee isn't properly aligned or if the new ligament stretches, patients suffer arthritis. Doctors usually wait weeks before reconstructing an ACL until good range of motion returns to the knee and the quadriceps muscle is strengthened. This appears to lower the risk of developing excessive scar tissue, a complication that can cause stiffness.

"If (the surgery) is not done perfectly, it doesn't work," says Lowe, who performs 250 ACL reconstruction surgeries annually.

Doctors are far more aggressive in rehabilitation than in the past, which helps speed up the recovery time. In McGahee's case, he was exercising the knee the day after the surgery, lifting weights within the first week and was off crutches less than four weeks later.

"It needs to become religion," Lowe says. "It has to become part of your life if you want to be who you were after surgery."
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http://www.drwaltlowe.com/news.htm
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
The reason Lewis got so many yards was because he got more than 30 carries on more than a couple occasions. ALSO, the ravens passing game did not exist untill very late in the season.
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Yes he did get a lot of carries but he averaged about five and half yards per carry. Yes the passing game didnt exist, but that what makes his yards total even more amazing, the defense brought 8-9 into the box and Lewis still ran over them and around them and then used his speed so he could dance in the endzone....
 
DR. Lowe also says," If (the surgery) is not done perfectly, it doesnt work." No Doctor is perfect, i know from...personel experience.
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
DR. Lowe also says," If (the surgery) is not done perfectly, it doesnt work." No Doctor is perfect, i know from...personel experience.
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With all of the technology today it is a whole lot easier, machines do a lot for the doctors. I had perfect surgery on my knee, it was cartalige surgery and I can do everything I did before the injury....
 
just curious.. do you not like Hollings on a professional level or personal level?

I am just wondering why you don't seem to give him a chance? (also trying to understand where you are coming from)or are you just a big DD fan?

yes. no doctor is perfect.. but the procedure is alot better now and more effective then it was like Vinny said in say 1984
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
are you seriously 16 yrs old? No way.
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Yeah, I hurt my knee during basketball practice. My shoe got stuck in the ground after I knocked the ball lose from a freshman and he dived onto my leg. They thought it was an ACL tear but only turned out to be a little cartalidge tear...
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
Im a big DD fan and im trying to understand how yall can write him off for someone else who has PROVED NOTHING. I dont get it.
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Just because we like Hollings doesn't mean we are "writing off" Davis. We all have opinions and some of us don't see what you do. Personally I compared his running style to a guy who is a solid NFL back in Staley. That is not an insult. What you are doing is insulting Hollings to make a case for Davis...and that is weak.
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
are you bull****tin? How are you a "MODERATOR"?
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Fiddy is more mature and well-spoken than many of our older fans. Age has nothing to do with it. Dogging him on his age is equally as weak as your Hollings argument.
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
Im a big DD fan and im trying to understand how yall can write him off for someone else who has PROVED NOTHING. I dont get it.
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We are not riding off DD. We just think Hollings has more to offer. Well if you think about it DD hasnt proven anything either, there have been a lot of rookie running backs to rush for 1000 yards in a season and then lose their jobs the next season...
 
what insults? how am i insulting the guy? i am trying to see what yall see, and i dont see why you think hes better. thats all, no insults.
 
I am not writing DD off at all and I think we all want to see both guys succeed.

I like DD because he runs North and south and has that knack of gettting an extra yard a carry because he consistantly falls forward... I like Hollings because what LITTLE I saw, he has speed and you can't teach speed. who knows maybe DD/hollings becomes somewhat of a Mike Rozier/Allan Pinkett. ( I can't think of another tandem off the top of my head) ..where you have a change of pace back when you pound them with one and break it open with another.
 
all im sayin is that hes proven ALOT more than Tony. maybe not in terms of league history, but in terms of who has proven more out of the two back in question.
PS_V_, you cut me REAL deep. im hurt.
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
are you bull****tin?
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Why would a lie about an injury??? I'll take a picture of the 3 holes in my knee and send it too you if you want. Do you want me too???
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
not the injury, about you being 16. I dont doubt the injury, its a common injury in HS. im still in HS about to be a senior.
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I am about to be a Junior
 
WHAT ARE YOU BABBLING ABOUT, V? i didnt believe he was 16 because he had such knowlege of the game. So, mind your buisness, he can defend himself. And im only 17. Thats why i was wondering. He just knows alot.
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
WHAT ARE YOU BABBLING ABOUT, V? i didnt believe he was 16 because he had such knowlege of the game. So, mind your buisness, he can defend himself. And im only 17. Thats why i was wondering. He just knows alot.
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That's fine. I will stick up for guys like Fiddy or any of my other mods if I perceive they are being talked down to. Fiddy is a mod because of his LONG history of great posts here and at Houstonprofootball.com. Age has nothing to do with maturity and you didn't make yourself too clear.

My bad, but that's just me. I'm never good on my second pot of coffee.
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
i didnt believe he was 16 because he had such knowlege of the game. So, mind your buisness, he can defend himself. And im only 17. Thats why i was wondering. He just knows alot.
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Well, I know a lot because I read a lot, listen and watch a lot, and my dream job is to be a sports radio analyst....
 
I'm surprised too. Fiddy you sould like someone in your young 20's. Take it as a complement and run with it.
 
Fiddy, honestly if i came off as "talking down" to you, forgive me. I just didnt believe you knew ALMOST as much as me, and was younger. just kiddin.
 
OK...lets settle this debate right now. Lets settle it with facts. this is between me and Fiddy, guys. Fiddy, lets finish the debate about whois the better back using fact and stats. you couldnt win this argument.
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
Fiddy, honestly if i came off as "talking down" to you, forgive me. I just didnt believe you knew ALMOST as much as me, and was younger. just kiddin.
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lol, dont worry about it
 
*ding ding ding* round 2 :rofl:

now it is the Wells versus Davis :D

of course it might be a quick knockout on this one
 
Domanick Davis, very first GAME against a very good Dolphins defense(in crunch time)
34 yards on 4 rushes. Also broke off a 17-yard run breaking tackles from Zach Thomas, & JR. seau
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
IGHT, lets do it.
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I believe Hollings can be the runner of the future because he has qualities that DD doesnt, speed the main one. Davis isnt a homerun threat, Hollings is. I am not riding off Davis, but Olandis Gary rushed for 1000 yards too...
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
Domanick Davis, very first GAME against a very good Dolphins defense(in crunch time)
34 yards on 4 rushes. Also broke off a 17-yard run breaking tackles from Zach Thomas, & JR. seau
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but the Dolphins had tackling problems all year long....
 
what traits exactly does Hollings have better than Domanick besides speed? Not strength, not cutback ability, not agility and definatly not the ability to break tackles as Domanick can.
 
of course the Dolphins didn't take the Texans seriously.. I remember Jabar Gaffney being quoted in the paper that the Dolphins told him "Thanks for the practice" before the game started..


seriously, this is a good problem for Capers to have

another interesting thing would be Norris or Baxtor?
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
what traits exactly does Hollings have better than Domanick besides speed? Not strength, not cutback ability, not agility and definatly not the ability to break tackles as Doanick can.
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Well i cant deny strength, but if you see college highlights of Mr. Hollings, he has a great cutback and had great agility....
 
Beastlyman2003 said:
im sure he has SOME ability, but he cannot cut like Domanick, and he also doesnt have the amazing vision Domanick has.
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We havent seen enough of Hollings to grade his vision. And in college I dont think he needed vision because he made the first guy miss with a great juke and then gallop to the endzone...
 
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