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Heard today that Casserly doesn't like...

Bush is more then a DECOY and you know it.

But as a creative call, maybe the call a good HC makes you use a little misdirection to catch the D napping or spying or focusing one the played who is not only threat to get the 1st down but threat take it to the house, and you run White the other direction, or sneak Lineart, or maybe do a little play action of White and hit Bush in teh flat and watch him easily get the 1st down.

Once again, putting Carroll's bad calls on Bush's shoulders isn't fair to Reggie nor is it something that an NFL talent evalulator is going to do.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
Do you need me to type slower for you to comprehend.
Of course Bush wil not sideline himself, but his actions got him sidelined and his coach was not afraid to pull the trigger on it just because he is supposed to be the next coming of Gayle Sayers.

I have not attended the UVY either, It is mho that we need Young, not bush.

You're gonna replace a proven productive player.
Why not replace the unproven unproductive player.
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DD CAN STILL BE ON THE FIELD WHEN BUSH IS, ALONG WITH CARR. If you take Young you will only have DD. 3 good players vs. 2 good players:hmmm: or maybe if you are only a UT guy it looks like this 3 good players vs. 1 good player and 1 Never before seen phenom that will rule the field with his presence alone.:rolleyes:
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
hook em:

talk to me about your avatar.

is that good 'old Texas fun, or are you serious about it?

are you giving up on us drafting VY, or trying to make a political statement?

just curious.

man, you make more avatars than anybody I know...
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Of course it is good 'ole Texas fan. If these boards weren't fun I wouldn't spend ungodly hours entertaining myself on them and running one myself.

No, I haven't given up on VY. I honestly think he is the best thing for this club, if I didn't I wouldn't want him here. Yes, I am being too hard on Carr and if he stays I hope he miraculously turns into a great QB in this 5th season here. However, someone better implant the desire in him to WIN not just "play well".

Yes, I love to play with Photoshop and create silly avatars. It's part of the fun.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
putting Carroll's bad calls on Bush's shoulders isn't fair to Reggie nor is it something that an NFL talent evalulator is going to do.
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You're right about that. The scouts will sniff out the deficiancies of both of those guys. IMO Young has more to offer than our current QB. and is gonna be a great QB.
We'll be calling Vick and McNabb a poor mans VY when it's all said and done.
We'll be calling Bush a poor mans Warrick Dunn
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
You're right about that. The scouts will sniff out the deficiancies of both of those guys. IMO Young has more to offer than our current QB. and is gonna be a great QB.
We'll be calling Vick and McNabb a poor mans VY when it's all said and done.
We'll be calling Bush a poor mans Warrick Dunn
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Were going to have to agree to disagree, casue I have no idea how VY will turn out in the pros.
 
You said a mouthful there, brutha. The overall 1st pick debate doesn't really seem to be going anywhere. A great argument can be made for/against any of our options. I've still got a preference, but this thing really is a wash.
 
Wordem said:
For people who don't watch a lot of Longhorn football. Sure. They're all wrong. Period. He could play next year and the Texans would win eight games. He's that good.
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I'm sorry. That was one of the funniest things I have read on this board. Wow. That's it. Just...wow.

:tv:
 
I doubt the Texans would win 8 games if VY were to start every game next year (BTW he should be brought on and probably see PT by mid-season). But I can say w/ confidence that they would win more than 2 games. Obviously, a season that is defined as "win more than 2 games" isn't a successful one. My point is, I have to believe that VY wouldn't have taken a lot of the stupid sacks that Carr did. Which in turn would lead to more wins. I do think VY has that kind of influence upon a team. Would he have problems adjusting to the NFL? Of course, all rookie QBs do.

Also, I'm not concerned at all (as some referred to above) about VY's numbers that he puts up at the combine. I have every confidence that whatever he decides to participate in, he will blow people away. We just have to wait until Feb. 2nd. What I am concerned about is VY putting up great times, etc. and the Texans having tunnel-vision for Bush and passing over him.
 
AustinJB said:
I doubt the Texans would win 8 games if VY were to start every game next year (BTW he should be brought on and probably see PT by mid-season). But I can say w/ confidence that they would win more than 2 games. Obviously, a season that is defined as "win more than 2 games" isn't a successful one. My point is, I have to believe that VY wouldn't have taken a lot of the stupid sacks that Carr did. Which in turn would lead to more wins. I do think VY has that kind of influence upon a team. Would he have problems adjusting to the NFL? Of course, all rookie QBs do.

Also, I'm not concerned at all (as some referred to above) about VY's numbers that he puts up at the combine. I have every confidence that whatever he decides to participate in, he will blow people away. We just have to wait until Feb. 2nd. What I am concerned about is VY putting up great times, etc. and the Texans having tunnel-vision for Bush and passing over him.
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The most Vince Young does at the combine is get weighed and measured. He might do some interviews with some of the teams. He will not run. He probably won't lift. He may not even touch a football while he is there, that is if he even goes. Texas is probably going to have their own pro day. He is going stand on that Rose Bowl performance as his final body of work to be judged. Anything he does at the combine will probably hurt his stock.

If he participates at the combine I would be SHOCKED.

If you heard the speach given by Casserly at last years Combine, you know he can't stand when players refuse to fully participate in the combine.

His numbers won't be that impressive. Because he is more shifty than fast. A lot of the things that are going to make him a top 5 pick are the things you can't measure. I wouldn't mind him on the Texans but if you step back and look at our team, he probably isn't the best pick, and in my mind probably isn't worth the #1 pick. If we could get him at #3 or #4 he might be worth it.


Hook'em Horns!!!
 
LBC_Justin said:
The most Vince Young does at the combine is get weighed and measured. He might do some interviews with some of the teams. He will not run. He probably won't lift. He may not even touch a football while he is there, that is if he even goes. Texas is probably going to have their own pro day. He is going stand on that Rose Bowl performance as his final body of work to be judged. Anything he does at the combine will probably hurt his stock.

If he participates at the combine I would be SHOCKED.

If you heard the speach given by Casserly at last years Combine, you know he can't stand when players refuse to fully participate in the combine.

His numbers won't be that impressive. Because he is more shifty than fast. A lot of the things that are going to make him a top 5 pick are the things you can't measure. I wouldn't mind him on the Texans but if you step back and look at our team, he probably isn't the best pick, and in my mind probably isn't worth the #1 pick. If we could get him at #3 or #4 he might be worth it.


Hook'em Horns!!!
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When Young was on 610 the other morning, I think he said he would not participate at the combine.
 
LBC_Justin said:
The most Vince Young does at the combine is get weighed and measured. He might do some interviews with some of the teams. He will not run. He probably won't lift.
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Then he will blow people away at being weighed and measured. :yahoo:

Or, most likely (as has been said), he will blow people away at not being there. :yahoo:
 
No one can get weighed and measured like Vince Young.. thats if the officials can even catch him to weigh and measure him.

And if he ISNT at the combine.. i dunno about yall.. but I will never support the Combine again. Any place that doesnt have Vince Young in it, isnt trying hard enough.
 
Vince said he doesn't plan to run the 40, maybe the shuttle or cone. He really doesn't need to run because he has little left to prove in that area. He said that he is going there to interview with as many NFL people as he can so everyone can get to know him better from a personal, off-the-field standpoint.
 
The statement about Vince Young being "underdeveloped" wasn't the worst part...

Casserly does not like UT players. He believes that UT players in general are "underdeveloped."

I guess the National Championship was won by a bunch of "underdeveloped" players.

I'm not a big UT fan, but from rumors I have heard, Casserly is not a fan of UT players.

Although I am not really a UT fan, I still think the Texans should draft Vince Young.

Casserly is going to single handedly ruin the Texans. Once again, why they didn't fire him is beyond me...
 
BattleRedTexan said:
The statement about Vince Young being "underdeveloped" wasn't the worst part...

Casserly does not like UT players. He believes that UT players in general are "underdeveloped."
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Please post a link to this ....
 
BattleRedTexan said:
I heard on the radio today, from a "reliable source," that Charley Casserly doesn't like Vince Young.

Apparently, Casserly thinks he is "underdeveloped."

Man, I wished they would have fired that guy. He is single handedly going to bring the team down...
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Did anyone tell Charlie that he is underdeveloped as a GM and talent evaluator. I am a Bush draft supporter but why is this guy so dumb as to keep saying these things. Soemone needs to sit him in timeout until the draft is over. Is the man really this dumb?
 
....But along the way toward bringing one hometown boy home, Texans leadership used the interviewing process to help make a more important, even tougher call regarding the great Vince Young or Reggie Bush debate.

With seven top NFL minds at their disposal during the interviews, McNair and his top advisers decided to use the coaches as a panel of experts, so to speak, on top of their scouting and personnel staff.

And the survey says ...
They asked each candidate to evaluate David Carr. And McNair and Co. wanted details. Critique Carr's performance. What kind of leadership do you think Carr displayed? What would you do different? Rank Carr among all NFL quarterbacks. Can you win with him?

All seven candidates voiced the same opinion. Carr is not the problem.

The Texans then asked each candidate about Bush and pressed Fresno State's Pat Hill, a former NFL personnel man whose team played USC this season, meaning he had watched about 10 games' worth of tape on Bush.

Again, it was unanimous. All seven told the Texans: Draft Bush.....

...He will hear the calls for the hometown hero and understand them. He will be sympathetic to them, and part of McNair will want to act on the sentimental lure of Young. But in the end McNair will listen to the reason and logic of NFL experts, including Kubiak, and make Bush the face of his franchise....

That's why as soon as the Broncos' season is over, when McNair stands in front of reporters to announce Kubiak as the next coach, he also should announce that he and the front office have decided on Bush as the No. 1 pick.

End the debate. Why let the point-counterpoint go on for another three months, when McNair knows what his club should do with the No. 1 pick?

Seven head coaching candidates, the Texans' personnel staff, consultant Dan Reeves and various other owners and general managers with whom McNair has talked say Carr is playoff-caliber and Bush is the right pick....
...McNair has made billions from making well-researched decisions and never making the same mistake twice. He has told Kubiak that hiring top-level assistants will not be a problem. If it takes a $1 million a year contract to lure a defensive coordinator who will implement a 4-3 defense and bring an edge to the defensive side of the ball, so be it. If Kubiak wants a quarterbacks coach to also work with Carr - which he does - fine.

Kubiak will serve as offensive coordinator and will call the plays, but if he wants the best offensive line coach available? Go get him, Kubiak has been told.

McNair will equip the new coach with every resource available toward winning and winning soon. As tempting as it might be, why, then, should he make Kubiak wait on Young to develop? Kubiak would rather win now than later.

Every piece of advice McNair has received from NFL people, including his new coach, has been the same: Stick with Carr and take Bush.
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J-Lo chronic 1/13/05 So, maybe Casserly didn't say anything about "not liking" and J-Lo's opinion is just that.... but there you go.

Edit - oops, sorry Marcus, saw you posted this as well
 
BattleRedTexan I have a question .... I've read a few of your posts today and here's a sample ....

BattleRedTexan said:
The statement about Vince Young being "underdeveloped" wasn't the worst part...

Casserly does not like UT players. He believes that UT players in general are "underdeveloped."

I guess the National Championship was won by a bunch of "underdeveloped" players.

I'm not a big UT fan, but from rumors I have heard, Casserly is not a fan of UT players.

Although I am not really a UT fan, I still think the Texans should draft Vince Young.
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You're in the draft Young camp .... fair enough .....

a while back you posted this ....

BattleRedTexan said:
We need to draft Reggie Bush and KEEP HIM!

Anyone saying that we should trade the #1 pick, or draft Reggie and then trade him is an !d!0t

I would rather draft Reggie and trade Dominic Davis (although I would prefer to have Reggie and DD).

I think everyone would agree that if you have a chance to draft a special/rare player like Reggie Bush then you DO IT! Reggie Bush will end up being the premier running back in the NFL. If we don't draft him we will be kicking ourselves for a very long time.

To make a comparison to basketball... passing on Reggie Bush would be like passing on a Michael Jordan caliber player.

Reggie Bush is a DIFFERENCE MAKER!
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BattleRedTexan said:
Until recently, I had been fairly certain that the Texans will make the right decison and draft Reggie Bush.

But lately, a lot of my co-workers have been saying: "The Texans will screw it up just like the Oilers used to." Basically, A LOT of the guys that I work with think the Texans will end up drafting someone else or trading the #1 pick.

If the Texans do not draft Reggie Bush, it will be the worst decision they have ever made. The fans have tolerated this horrible season, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel because we know that we can get Reggie Bush now. The Texans can salvage this season, and make the fans happy by drafting Reggie Bush. If they "screw it up," they will make a lot of people angry and they will be making the "same old mistakes" that past Houston ProFootball teams have made.

Reggie Bush is one of those special kinds of players that only come around every once in a while. He is truely a FRANCHISE player. Players like Reggie Bush are true "difference makers" and they are very rare. I just hope that the Texans draft Reggie Bush, then they can use the other picks to fill other necessary positions.
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ok so has your opinion of Bush changed? You speak (or spoke shall I say) of him in glowing terms .... yet now you seem to be advocating passing on "a FRANCHISE player", "a true difference maker" and having the Texans management "screw it up" in favor of Vince Young .... do you forsee the Rose Bowl hysteria wearing off anytime soon? is this your final answer?
 
Hoth-Boy said:
A former NFL coach who sucked at New England, a coach who has out coached by Mack Brown (who unitll this year had serious questions about his ability to win a big game). Oh and wasn't he sidelined for a guy who was tearing up the vaunted UT D?

Yeah, I thought he was. You can't knock Bush for Carroll's moronic actions at the end of the Rose Bowl. Was is Bush's fault that Pete called a timeout before UT went for 2?
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You know that's about the biggest crock... and I'm getting tired of it.

The last 4 years, there is only one team to beat UT, and just about every player on those teams are starting in the NFL today.
 
LBC_Justin said:
The most Vince Young does at the combine is get weighed and measured. He might do some interviews with some of the teams. He will not run. He probably won't lift. He may not even touch a football while he is there, that is if he even goes. Texas is probably going to have their own pro day. He is going stand on that Rose Bowl performance as his final body of work to be judged. Anything he does at the combine will probably hurt his stock.

If he participates at the combine I would be SHOCKED.

If you heard the speach given by Casserly at last years Combine, you know he can't stand when players refuse to fully participate in the combine.

His numbers won't be that impressive. Because he is more shifty than fast. A lot of the things that are going to make him a top 5 pick are the things you can't measure. I wouldn't mind him on the Texans but if you step back and look at our team, he probably isn't the best pick, and in my mind probably isn't worth the #1 pick. If we could get him at #3 or #4 he might be worth it.


Hook'em Horns!!!
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Nice post, except I don't think he'll be there at #3 or 4, someone else will get him. There's better chance of getting Reggie at #3 or 4, than Vince.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Did anyone tell Charlie that he is underdeveloped as a GM and talent evaluator. I am a Bush draft supporter but why is this guy so dumb as to keep saying these things. Soemone needs to sit him in timeout until the draft is over. Is the man really this dumb?
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I don't know why he keeps saying these things. It could be that people keep asking him the same questions and this is, in his opinion "the truth". I think this is his honest assessment of Vince Young. Casserly is not the only person who I've seen say that Vince should have played the college game one more year.
 
chuckm said:
ok so has your opinion of Bush changed? You speak (or spoke shall I say) of him in glowing terms .... yet now you seem to be advocating passing on "a FRANCHISE player", "a true difference maker" and having the Texans management "screw it up" in favor of Vince Young .... do you forsee the Rose Bowl hysteria wearing off anytime soon? is this your final answer?
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Before the Rose Bowl, My honest best opinion was to trade down, and get some defensive Havoc makers in the early rounds. Since then my opinion has changed, get one Dynamic Quarterback who I thought would not be in the draft this year, but has made it known, that I was wrong and he will be in the Draft, and use the remaining picks on Defense.

The only thing the Rose Bowl changed, was the fact that Vince will be in the Draft.
 
Hervoyel said:
I don't know why he keeps saying these things. It could be that people keep asking him the same questions and this is, in his opinion "the truth". I think this is his honest assessment of Vince Young. Casserly is not the only person who I've seen say that Vince should have played the college game one more year.
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It is great if he has an "opinion" on Bush. It is great that he has an "opinion" on VY..or anyone else for that matter. I just wish he would stop doing the interview circuit and talk about guys evaluating Bush tape and how VY is underdeveloped and how Bush would be a great fit, etc. He just isn't a poker player. Even if people don't think VY is the right choice, a team can take advantage of the hype. He seems to miss this concept. And in a separate opinion, it would have been ludicrous for VY to stay anothe year after the Rose Bowl. It was a no-brainer for the way he plays football.
 
Drafting VY would put the franchise back a decade. Some people just don't seem to get that a scrambling quarterback (aka Randall Cunningham & Michael Vick) does not equal Super Bowl titles. It disrupts the offense and the defensive speed in the NFL is much quicker than in college and isn't suited to that approach. Getting someone like Bush who has multiple skills (rushing, receiving, returning) is such a better decision. The debate over Bush vs Young should not deteriorate into a UT versus AM thing. Many, many, many of the Texan fans live out of state and couldn't care less about the debate. We simply want a winning (and multidimensional) team on the field.
 
Being it is Casserly's last year, I think McNair will have the final say in this pick and McNair DOES love Vince Young. Casserly doesn't like Young because Vince is making Casserly's pick, which was David Carr, look like a bust. Pride is a dangerous thing...
 
Fiddy said:
And QB makes a difference, too, because Belichick benched the golden boy QB Bledose and went with Brady to jumpstart his 3 Super Bowls...
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No the Jets benched the golden boy with a hit that made my teeth rattle. Belichick got lucky but its better to be lucky than good.

And whats wrong with Warrick Dunn. Hell of a back.
 
Texans Honk said:
Being it is Casserly's last year, I think McNair will have the final say in this pick and McNair DOES love Vince Young. Casserly doesn't like Young because Vince is making Casserly's pick, which was David Carr, look like a bust. Pride is a dangerous thing...
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Ditto.
Casserly is a sitting duck, he has no power. He's just a decoy for the media since he has no facial expressions. LOL:yahoo:
 
thunderkyss said:
You know that's about the biggest crock... and I'm getting tired of it.

The last 4 years, there is only one team to beat UT, and just about every player on those teams are starting in the NFL today.
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So I quessed I dreamed Colorado beating UT in Dallas for the Big XII championship, becasue I could have sworn I was at the game and that UT lost.

Oh and you might want to do some research on whos playing currently in the NFL, cause thera aren't THAT many Sooners in the NFL. The actually around 26 to 28 (I looked it up a while back, surprisingly A&M has more active pros then both UT and OU), with some coming from before the Stoops era at Zero U.

And it's not a crock, becasue sadly it was true. Till the Rose Bowl last year Brown was 0 for agaisnt top 10 teams, and untill this year he had never won a league championship much less a National title.
 
Fiddy said:
And QB makes a difference, too, because Belichick benched the golden boy QB Bledose and went with Brady to jumpstart his 3 Super Bowls...
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ah no...bledsoe was injured when he ran out of bounds and brady stepped in.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
And it's not a crock, becasue sadly it was true. Till the Rose Bowl last year Brown was 0 for agaisnt top 10 teams, and untill this year he had never won a league championship much less a National title.
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Farmers fight! Moral victories for everyone.
 
Wordem said:
Farmers fight! Moral victories for everyone.
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And untill just recently, moral victories for UT too!!!!:ok:

Just trying to bring some facts into a debate that has clearly moved past the point were logical would matter.
 
I still think that the order is going to be R. Bush, NO trades to Oakland for Leinart, VY to Tenn. We have a QB capable of good things, provided the right system is installed, better o-line play, and a D that doesn't quit till the game is over. I fully believe that this team has the capability of being a playoff contender, it just needs the right coach, right system. I may be stretching the NO to Oakland trade, but I could totally see Leinart going to Oakland.
 
For all of you saying Vince would not participate at the combine, he said the ONLY thing he would NOT do is run for time. Now, since he has a propensity to change his mind, I guess we will have to wait and see.

Wordem: " " That is the response I have for you! :ok:
 
Capster67 said:
Drafting VY would put the franchise back a decade. Some people just don't seem to get that a scrambling quarterback (aka Randall Cunningham & Michael Vick) does not equal Super Bowl titles. It disrupts the offense and the defensive speed in the NFL is much quicker than in college and isn't suited to that approach. Getting someone like Bush who has multiple skills (rushing, receiving, returning) is such a better decision. The debate over Bush vs Young should not deteriorate into a UT versus AM thing. Many, many, many of the Texan fans live out of state and couldn't care less about the debate. We simply want a winning (and multidimensional) team on the field.
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That seems strange too me, considering the name of th team, unless they're Californian fans of Carr or maybe Louisianna fans of DD.
 
Wordem said:
That's funny. You reek of aggy.
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Who cares what Uncle Charlie has to say, remember this is the same clown that got fired from the redskins, let Uncle Charlie draft who he wants, as long as this ***** is the GM dont expect the Texans to have much success. VY is a great player and he will excel in the NFL were ever he goes, Uncle Charlie doesn't want to draft Vinny, beacuse he know he made a mistake with Carr along with these no name drafts!
 
This has got to be the funniest thread, I've ever read. Yes he is and no he ain't. My Vince can beat up your (fill in the blank). My mind is made up don't confuse me with any facts. If my opinion ain't yours, then what you been smoking. Hilarious!!
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
We'll be calling Bush a poor mans Warrick Dunn
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Yeah, Warrick Dunn, Westbrook, Metcalf - suuuurrrrrrre thing. At least, let Vince take one snap from under center, not shotgun, before he's an All-Pro.

wow...the old Warrick Dunn-Metcalf comparisons still amaze me. I know - I know...I haven't watched enough UT football and Doug Williams won a Superbowl!!
 
Grid said:
And Lienart is compared to Brady. Maybe we need to be argueing Lienart vs Bush :)
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God forbid someone start up that debate. People who bash Leinart nitpick at small things in his game, yet refuse to acknowledge Young Almighty isn't a perfect QB. Before the Rose Bowl I thought it was a toss-up, but after that game I'd take my chances with Leinart if we went QB with our #1 pick.
 
dirty steve said:
ah no...bledsoe was injured when he ran out of bounds and brady stepped in.
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And he kept Brady in instead of taking him out when Bledsoe got healthy...cause if I remember correctly, Bledsoe could have played in the playoffs...
 
Wordem said:
Two words: Heath Shuler.

CC still thinks that was a good pick. It's a crap shoot.

VY is as good as a Texan. He's the one. Period.
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Shuler was actually someone that Norv Turner wanted. My gripe with CC is that he doesn't make decisions for himself, he listens to everyone else he works with.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Carr has been here 4 years and is underdeveloped. What does jackCass have to say about that?
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I cannot think of really anyone whose game has significantly developed as a result of our coaching staff. It seems like whatever skills and knowledge a player started with is all they would have with the Texans. I cannot believe I didn't realize that earlier.
 
All I know is they better not have that draft day party if they are not drafting Young or the fans are going to tear down the whole building.
 
TheOgre said:
I cannot think of really anyone whose game has significantly developed as a result of our coaching staff. It seems like whatever skills and knowledge a player started with is all they would have with the Texans. I cannot believe I didn't realize that earlier.
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Actually, it seems to me that Pitts' game has increased rather significantly and I think Wells gas gotten somewhat better also, but those could be just because of game experience.
 
LCOOL said:
Who cares what Uncle Charlie has to say, remember this is the same clown that got fired from the redskins, let Uncle Charlie draft who he wants, as long as this ***** is the GM dont expect the Texans to have much success. VY is a great player and he will excel in the NFL were ever he goes, Uncle Charlie doesn't want to draft Vinny, beacuse he know he made a mistake with Carr along with these no name drafts!
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C(jack)asserly is probably gonna have as much say in the draft as :homer:


When and if we choose Young, there will be an interview about an hour or 2 later. If it's Casserly being interviewed then we know he was a part of the pick, if it's someone else then.........well you know.

I hope he gets pulled over on the way to work that day and the cop pulls up a warrant for no insurance and no inspection from back in his HS days and spends the day in county. Then maybe correct decisions will get made.

Remember, he has had a total of 15 2nd and 3rd rd pix at his disposal and whether he used them on players or for trades he has only hit on 1.5 of them. Pitts and Peek. And Peek is probably getting his walking papers this off season. The jury is still out on Morency but I'm sure he'll be OK to good when it's all said and done.
 
Dennis007 said:
Ditto.
Casserly is a sitting duck, he has no power. He's just a decoy for the media since he has no facial expressions. LOL:yahoo:
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Not so according to McNair. Next ...
 
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