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I wouldn't call carrying pads hazing. I'd call the shaving cream situation more of a prank than a "haze" also. I'm thinking more along the lines of making all the rookies shave their heads or some of the foolishness that happened to Cam Cleeland a few years back where they had all the rookies run thru a gauntlet and get pounded. Those are more what I consider "hazing". That other stuff is what I would consider pranks or some good natured ribbing.infantrycak said:Well, and by tame it may take such simple forms as Miller saying Joppru hasn't started a game yet and so he still has to carry my helmut and pads around practice (something from one of his interviews). It's around, it just doesn't arise to the stupidity of thinking shaving cream in someone's eyes is a good thing.