Good informative article about Carr on Sporting News

[Honoring Earl 34]

Like it or not Carr will get his chance . So from here on out its up to him . He has a coach who is offensive minded and has been there .

Kubiak is a reputable QB coach who oozes QB play so Carr better be ready for some long days ahead because Kubiaks ready to go .

If this does not work out , I'm giving it a 50 % chance ... I'd let Kubiak pick a project QB to groom .

 

[chall8]

As excited as I am about the Kubiak hire, I am under no illusion that he's going to be able to build David Carr into some kind of John Elway.

I didn't think David Carr was worth a #1 draft pick, and nothing has happened in the last 4 years to change my mind.

Any QB would've had a tough go on this team. But you can put all the talent you want around Jake Plummer, and he's still going to be Jake Plummer. Same deal with David Carr.

I think the author hit the nail on the head: (paraphrase) "Carr is a serviceable QB" but not much more. And it is THIS statement alone that makes a compelling argument for taking a QB. If you don't think Carr will ever take you to a title, why not start building with a new QB now rather than later?

Personally, due to salary cap issues I think we should run with DC for now and fix the other issues. If nothing else the guy has earned at least a chance to show what he can do.

 

[thegr8fan]

and he was the leading rusher in the AFC among QBs.

by the way, what QB stat does Carr lead in. Sacks is the only one I can come up with myself. Course that isn't a positive one, not in my book anyway. Leading Rusher isn't a QB stat that most pay attention to. Unless your Vick anyway. And Carr ain't Vick.

 

[thegr8fan]

by the way, what QB stat does Carr lead in.-ME

You-.............(crickets chirping)........(chirp).........(chirp).......(chirp)

nice comeback. thanks for playing.

 

[bayshorebevo]

Originally Posted by thegr8fan
by the way, what QB stat does Carr lead in. Sacks is the only one I can come up with myself. Course that isn't a positive one, not in my book anyway. Leading Rusher isn't a QB stat that most pay attention to. Unless your Vick anyway. And Carr ain't Vick.

Go Longhorns......
Neither is Young.

hopefully, neither one is vick

 

[NFLforher]

First off let me say, this is NOT a 'draft Vince' post or an 'I hate Carr' post. I don't care who they draft, or whether they keep Carr or ditch him,"



Really? Then why do you find this article "good?"

 

[Jack Bauer]

You-.............(crickets chirping)........(chirp).........(chirp).......(chirp)

nice comeback. thanks for playing.

I've heard the same from you on a number of occasions.

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

Go Longhorns......
Neither is Young.

Exactly, thank you. Young isn't Vick, nor is he McNabb, Culpepper, Brooks, or Steve Young, Eric Crouch, or anyone else. He is Young, who is gonna be better than all of the aforementioned.
Prediction:
Young leads Titans (and Bud Adams) to Super Bowl in a year in which the Big Game is hosted here again. And wins. That'll hurt and ya'll know it. The only way it doesn't is if we have a SB trophy ourselves. Dream on with Carr at the helms.
All the while we are toiling in the NFL sewer still cuz we resigned Carr to a multi-year $100 million+ contract at about mid-season of his 3rd option year solely based on his potential. IMO we haven't even made it to the playoffs yet cuz it'll take at least 4-5 years for that since Carr needs all the right pieces around him to complete a pass. We won't make the playoffs with him as our QB much less win 10+ games a season.
Does anyone realize that when we get the #1 pick again next year (and we will) we'll probably pass on Brady Quinn cuz Carr is the golden child. And we won't be drafting Peterson either cuz we'll have Bush. I gues that'll make us a Bush with no Peter-son.
I don't wanna hear that if we draft Young were gonna still suck but if we go Bush we'll win instantly. Bush improves us by 6 games if Carr can hold up his end of the responsibility of being an NFL QB. We'll be 8-8 forever until Carr goes. Young is an investment that will not take forever to show returns. We've already sucked about as bad as an NFL team can. IMO we lost some on purpose. Why take a player that makes you marginally better for the sake of not going 2-14 again, rather 8-8 at best. Why not make the investment to be a 10-6 or better squad on a consistant basis season in and season out.
I like Bush, I like Carr, but they need to go elsewhere to be a success, especially Carr, it worked for Plummer. Kubes is not gonna be able to change the phsyci (sp) of Carr, he may help him to only get himself sacked 40 times a season but he won't make him a better decision maker, film studier (may help learn his way of studying film but won't make him spend extra off time with it), team guy, leader, etc......
Read the sig below.

 

[Wharton]

Shows me you dont have facts or know what your talking about because when he rolls out of the pocket he makes plays and I have seen atleast half of his TD have come from out of the pocket, and he was the leading rusher in the AFC among QBs.
Tell your 13 year old to get faster maybe he would not have to throw all thoose balls away.

Geewhiz Hulk, if Dan Pompei can figure out what I am talking about, then why can't you?

"Carr hasn't learned to throw the ball away and live for another play. Nor has he mastered the art of subtle movement to avoid a pass rusher, as Tom Brady has. When he feels pressure, he pulls it down and runs -- often right into another defender."

You can't throw the ball away if your between the tackles. And, being the leading rusher among QB's is not a good thing if your not a running quarterback like Vick or VY when he gets to the NFL.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Geewhiz Hulk, if Dan Pompei can figure out what I am talking about, then why can't you?

Not to speak for Hulk, but since when is Dan Pompei the ultimate NFL guru? He is just a columnist. Kinda like John McClain. Get my drift?

"Carr hasn't learned to throw the ball away and live for another play. Nor has he mastered the art of subtle movement to avoid a pass rusher, as Tom Brady has. When he feels pressure, he pulls it down and runs -- often right into another defender."

Tom Brady still has a semblance of a pocket, usually Carr does not.

You can't throw the ball away if your between the tackles. And, being the leading rusher among QB's is not a good thing if your not a running quarterback like Vick or VY when he gets to the NFL.

The first part of this quote is the crux of many Carr supporters' argument. When the pocket collapses on top of you, this gives the QB one option and that is to take the sack. I would rather take the sack than make a risky throw into coverage and risk an interception. Also, if your offensive line is horrible, it is a good thing that your QB runs well enough to lead the AFC in QB rushing yards.

I am NOT saying that Carr never causes his own sack, but the primary cause is, without a doubt, the offensive line.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

It does amaze me that the Patriots lost their coordinators, had many injuries inlcuding the Oline and were down to the 3rd string RB and Brady still had a career year. He just has that ability to stay, side step or step into the pocket and make a play. It really is uncanny and the more I watch QB's it seems to either be learned after many years or it is natural. Brady has it and Carr does not. Hopefully Carr will get it one day.

 

[HJam72]

Kaiser, that avator says it all. You gotta have a really strong arm to throw the ball all the way around the world and hit yourself in the back. How are we gonna find another QB that can do that?

I just bet you that Carr throws the ball away more than any QB. So now y'all want him to throw it away more? They'd be better off just running on every play. And some of you keep saying that they need to play to win! That's what he's trying to do when he doesn't just throw it away over and over again. Eventually, he's gotta hold it 'till they get to him or SOMEBODY gets open. Problem is, he's gotta run all the way to the sideline over there just to make it to 5 seconds after the snap. QBs with no protection don't succeed. It's THAT simple. Now, if some of you guys want VY, I can understand that, but Carr is NOT this team's problem.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Kaiser, that avator says it all. You gotta have a really strong arm to throw the ball all the way around the world and hit yourself in the back. How are we gonna find another QB that can do that?

I just bet you that Carr throws the ball away more than any QB. So now y'all want him to throw it away more? They'd be better off just running on every play. And some of you keep saying that they need to play to win! That's what he's trying to do when he doesn't just throw it away over and over again. Eventually, he's gotta hold it 'till they get to him or SOMEBODY gets open. Problem is, he's gotta run all the way to the sideline over there just to make it to 5 seconds after the snap. QBs with no protection don't succeed. It's THAT simple. Now, if some of you guys want VY, I can understand that, but Carr is NOT this team's problem.

Once Carr has his extension belive me I will be silent on DC until pre season comes along and see what Kubiak's hand holding yields. I have been a trade down guy for a long time. You should know that I feel that having a high priced QB, in the salary cap era, is worthless, no matter the name on the back of the jersey.

 

[HJam72]

Carr gets happy feet and doesn't stay in the (collapsing) pocket. Carr doesn't throw the ball away enough (because he's still in the pocket). Carr can't block for himself. Carr can't catch his own passes downfield. Carr's not a good enough runner (leads the league). Carr is not a leader (of what? look at his followers). Carr doesn't play for UT and he doesn't have, "Who's the Heisman (hype machine) now?" labeled on everything with his picture on it in Texas. Most of all, it's David Carr's fault that Fangio sucks, Pendry is bone-headed to the core, and Capers fired the only half way descent coordinator that he had. I don't live in Houston, but I think a lot of you guys are so sick of seeing him in commercials and hearing comments about his hair that you're hating on his game needlessly. That and too many people just think that only one position matters.

 

[HJam72]

You should know that I feel that having a high priced QB, in the salary cap era, is worthless, no matter the name on the back of the jersey.

Yes, and that is the one point that I definitely agree with. I just don't know about this money situation. I was hoping they'd let him look around and find out what he's really worth, which is bound to be less--certainly based on what this team has done for 4 years.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

There are takes all over the place on why people are not Carr fans. Most of what you recounted I would not fall into those categories. My position has always been about cap and getting the right tools to help our anemic passing game.

By the way I am sporting my Liberty Blue Texans Jersey at work today.

 

[HJam72]

I wasn't really pointing all of that at you. It was only the silly joke at the first that was aimed at you (or rather your avatar). I guess it's the shear volume of Carr hating that's gets me all riled up after what he's put up with on that team. I don't think he's worth all that money either--or at least he hasn't been able to prove that he is--but, I don't believe he's a bust either.

I think he's taken a lot of hits and complained very little, shown a lot of guts and want-to, and done well when protected well (bad defenses with no pass rush). I'd hate to see him being told to hit the road. It just wouldn't seem right at all to me after being on what is I suppose the worst pass blocking team ever for a 4 year period of time and also dealing with only one real starting receiver.

 

[thegr8fan]

I've heard the same from you on a number of occasions.Jack Bowwow

only when you make an accusation or totally insane interpretation of what I actually posted. for instance if I posted that 'the fence was white'. You follow that with 'what have you got against black, you are obviously prejudice or something'. If you want to stick to a topic, and reply based on what I actually posted, then I would be more than happy to engage you in a MB conversation. Until then, keep spinning the web of illusion that you build in your own mind. I don't care. Its your mind and I won't be able to change it anyway, so why bother.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

The topic is Carr not Bow Wow Wow. We do have another forum where discussions can be had regarding 80's bands. Let's stay on topic.

 

[Maddict5]

As I said else, would you rather keep Carr and see "if he can be salvaged," or build a new and better team around a new and better QB? Seems to me the best choice is clear.

by this i assume you mean VY is better-well from what ive seen he likes to pull it down and run with it himself, he has a questionable arm and accuracy so it doesnt seem that clear to me

 

[Jack Bauer]

only when you make an accusation or totally insane interpretation of what I actually posted. for instance if I posted that 'the fence was white'. You follow that with 'what have you got against black, you are obviously prejudice or something'.

That isn't the case at all and you know it.